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Post by Charlotte on Jul 30, 2004 10:20:42 GMT -5
Pliny tells that the eunoch Chaermon supported the roofs of the labyrinth with acacia wood boiled in oil until stones could be raised, whereas Strabo just before him, states that "the width of the hidden chambers is spanned by monolithic (not definable in terms of more elementary notions or components) beams of outstanding size; for nowhere is wood or any other material included."
Stabo says that near the labyrinth "is the tomb of the king who built the Labyrinth. There is a point where one first enters the channel", which is "a flat trapezium-shaped site which contains both a village and a great palace made up of many palaces equal in number to that of the nomes in former times . . ."
Trapezium: Anatomy. the greater multangular. trapezius: Anatomy. each of a pair of large, flat, triangular muscles of the back of the neck and the upper part of the back and shoulders, together forming a somewhat diomond-shaped figure. trapezoid: Anatomy. the lesser multangular bone.
So anatomically, the "acacia wood boiled in oil" are the large muscles crossing over in the back of the neck holding up the head.
The building has only one story, the roof of no great height, says Strabo, and
"At the end of this building, which occupies anarea of more than a stade, stands a tomb, a pyramid on an oblong base, each side about 4 'plethra' in lenght and the hight about the same; the name of the man buried there was Imandes. The reason for making the courts so many is said to be the fact that it was costumary for all nomes to gather there according to rank with their own priests and priesteses, for the purpose of sacrifice, divine offering, and judgement on the most important matters. And each of the nomes was lodged in the court appointed to it." All this can be applied to the head.
"And above this city stands Abydos, in which there is the Memnonium, a place wonderfully constructed of massive stonework in the same way as we have said the Labyrinth was built, though the Memnonium differs in being a simple structure."
In Abydos Horus triumphs over Seth. By smithing his enemy Pharaoh reunited his land and said to the priests and priestesses of the nomes:
"Dignity has been set in place, honesty has been established, evil has departed, wickedness is gone, the land is at peace under its lord."
The perfected man is the lord ruling over his own empire, the symbol of unification the 2 snakes of the Caduceus of Hermes, the cerebrospinal and sympathetic nerves systems.
Fibbers are these writers, along with many other double talkers, past and present.
I have to come back out of this Labyrinth and go back to Beelzebub's.
Be Free
Charlotte
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Post by BERNHARD on Aug 2, 2004 12:17:10 GMT -5
Dear Charlotte, so much stuff in a few days ! the labyrinth-saga is of interest. can be, that a labyrinth was the esoteric and mystical try to copy the dark and hidden passages of the "underworld", to perform secret initiation-rites, or, why not, to overcome the walk into the real underworld by a symbolic walk through the articifical/symbolic constreucted and imitated underworld ! ! and by this trick finally passing the dark routes of the death, and then directly jumping into the more agreable and brighter heavenly spheres ! the egyptian labyrinths are only irritating at first glance, while wandering through some floors ( 3 levels ? ) of passages and chambers, but with some light it is not so problematic to orientate, or even such endless, that one really needs the clue of the famous ARIADNE to come back to the starting point ! ---- best regards: Bernie
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 11, 2004 9:13:39 GMT -5
Hi Bernhard,
Your comment on the Labyrinth plays in with a short exchange I had with another person.
The Labyrinth as the 'Egyptian Underworld' - obviously this underworld is nowhere on Terra Firma but in our peculiar psyche. You say it could be a symbolic walk through the artificially constructed underworld to get to the real underworld, which we could loosely think of the sub-conscious and unconscious.
In the exchange I mentioned, we were talking about the black holes in space, and I was happy to read the words of one poster:
"You see, what people do not yet realize or have grasped properly is that there are also 'psychic blackholes' to which the 'astrophysical blackhole' is but a projection or reflection in material reality. The evidence for this can be found in many accounts given by the shaman as well as NDExperiencers etc. This is why Hawking's materialistic perception of blackholes, and therefore the perception of society as a whole in regard to the phenomena of blackholes, is limited and therefore superficial compared to the real truth behind the phenomenon and what it is really telling us."
He goes on to say: "So taking the 'externally projected' phenomenon of blackholes for instance: If blackholes contain a massive amount of information that can be accessed or released, then in 'internal, psychological terms,' what does this tell us about ourselves and the unconscious?"
I was always wondering what 'information' they mean, information stored in space, or what things coming too close to the event horizon and then being sucked into the one giant, and minor black holes, a sort of incredible vortex swalloing everything in space eventually.
So the Egyptian, Cretan, and Roman labyrinth, the physical labyrinth in the head, memory, and black holes of science are projections from our psyche, the many smaller black holes those of the individual, the one giant black hole that of collective humanity.
In addition, I still see the backholes in space, and the Cretan Labyrinth as the purely rational mind of the strange lady living in the mountains, or as Milo, speaking of the Beast, or number 666, put it:
"It represents intellectual perfection of the Lower Self - the mind dedicated solely to the mastery of technique rather than wisdom. It's the consciousness of the fragmented genius, the individual whose mind - capacity for rational thought and analysis - has developed out of synchronisation with his heart - the capacity to feel."
Such individuals belittle 'I feel' or 'I felt' as so much emotional fancy even though the human being feels before he thinks and acts.
I would end the subject by repeating Mr. Hall's words, confirming these notions about the Labyrinth in man the microcosm:
"The vaulted chambers, passageways, and labyrinths of the brain so exited the admiration of the ancients that they were moved to write thereon cum copia verborum in their efforts to establish analogies between these parts (in our brain) and every portion of the universe."
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 12, 2004 10:22:03 GMT -5
Chapter 16, "The Relative Understanding of Time" page 125 "The chief particularity of the process of the flow of Time in the presence of cosmic arisings of various scales consists in this, that all of them perceive it in the same way and in the same sequence. "In order that you may meanwhile represent to yourself, if only approximately, what I have just said, let us take an example of the process of the flow of Time proceeding in any drop of water in that decanter standing there on the table. "Every drop of water in that decanter is in itself also a whole independent world, a worls of 'Microcosmoses.' "In that little world, as in other cosmoses, there also arise and exist relatively independent infinitesimal 'individuals' or 'beings.' "For the beings of that infinitesimal world also, Time flows in the same sequence in which the flow of Time is sensed by all individuals in all other cosmoses. These infinitesimal beings also, like the beings of other cosmoses of other 'scales,' ( other scales or 'coatings', weight and measure) have their experiences of a definite duration for all their perceptions and manifestations; and, also, like them, they sense the flow of Time by the comparison of the duration of the phenomena around them." This is beautiful, I can sit here and sense the flow of Time by the car that just drove by, the morning paper just been thrown and sliding a bit on the concrete, the sheer curtain with grapevines and grapes, a Karaffe and wine glass in an oval form of vines the middle being moved by a gentle breeze. And when talking to my cat, or a dog, squirrel, or any other animal, I often wondered if they have a sense of Time. "Exactly like the beings of other cosmoses, they are born, they grow up, they unite and seperate for what are called 'sex-results' and they also fall sick and suffer, and ultimately like everything existing in which Objective Reason has not become fixed, they are destroyed forever." With the exeption of "in which Objective Reason has not yet become fixed, they are destroyed forever", I have no problem understanding this paragraph, have looked at it this way for a ling Time. "For the entire process of the existence of these infinitesimal beings of this smallest world, Time of a definite proportionate duration also ensues from all the surrounding phenomena which are manifested in the given 'cosmic-scale.' Relative and interdependent to other given cosmic scales. "For them also, Time of difinite lenght is required for the processes of their arising and formation as well as for various events in the process of their existence up to their complete and final destruction." This is taxing one's patience, but it is as if Gurdjieff is saying 'if you dont't get it one way, I'll turn it and maybe you get it this way.' "In the whole course of the process of existence of the beings of this drop of water also, corresponding sequential definite what are called 'passages' of the flow of Time are also required. "A definite time is required for their joys and for their sorrows, and, in short, for every other kind of indispensable being-experiencing, down to what are called 'runs-of-bad-luck,' and even to 'periods-of-thirst-for-self-perfection.' The last words after the , are as a rose G gives in the interim. And he confirms "what is true in the lesser is true in the greater." "I repeat, among them also, the process of the flow of Time has its harmonious sequence, and this sequence ensues from the totality of all phenomena surrounding them." A definite Yes! Time and space bound we are. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 13, 2004 9:10:48 GMT -5
Henceforth, when I hear someone, or myself exclaim, either in frustration or happiness: "Today was one of those Murphy's law days"; "when it rains it pours"; "you know these things usually come in 3s, this is the third time, so my streak of bad luck must be over"; "today was a great day, everything went my way"; "for a week now everything came up roses", I know that I will think of 'passages' of the flow of time required for "indispensable being-experiencing" ensuing "from the totality of all the phenomena surrounding" us.
Actually, I have been aware for some time that the universe alone, humanity alone, made up of unique individuals, and then all together, are interdependent, everything effecting everything. From the original action it's been all reaction, even a new action is a reaction to something prior. But now I can't help but pay closer attention to what is happening around me, the world, the cosmos, and my place in at a given moment. This is nice! I watched "Texas Justice" on TV the other day. I forgot which the Judge asked, the defendant or plaintiff: "How do you explain this?" The person: "I don't know, maybe I was at the wrong place at the wrong time." The Judge: "You are never at the wrong spot anytime."
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 14, 2004 9:59:33 GMT -5
Chapter 16 p. 126
I read to the bottom of page 127 to see if I could omit a few paragraphs because not so important and to move faster, and for my own sanity, alas, no.
"The duration of the process of the flow of time is generally perceived and sensed in the same way by all the aforementioned cosmic Individuals and by the already completely formed what are called 'instinctivized' units but only with that difference which insues from the difference in the presences and states, at the given moment, of these cosmic arisings.
"It must be noticed, however, my boy, that though for seperate individuals existing in any independent cosmic unit, their defenition of the flow of Time is not objective in the geenral sense, yet neverthe less for them themselves it acquires a sense of objectivity since the flow of Time is perceived by them according to the completeness of their own presence."
Arghh it's like working through particle-waves theories, but "instinctivized units", and "according to the completeness of (our) own presence" are important points.
The example of the drop of water serves to understand more clearly Beelzebub's thought .
"Although in the sense of general Universal Objectivity, the whole period of the flow of Time in that same drop of water is for the whole of it subjective, yet for the beings existing in the drop of water itself, the said given flow of Time is perceived by them as objective."
So if we take the drop of water to be the world and us living on it, Time for our planet as a whole is subjective but us beings living on it perceive it as objective. That works because comprehensible.
The 'hypochondriacs' existing among us can serve to make it clearer.
"To these terrestrial hypochondracs it very often seems that Time passes infinitely slowly and long, and, as the express themselves, 'it-drags-phenomenally-tediously." And if there are hypochondriacs among those infinitesimal existing in a drop of water, for them too sometimes "Time drags very slowly and 'phenomenally-tediously.'
There mustn't be to many hypochondriacs around because time flies for everone I talk to, however, sometimes when I go into a store and ask the clerk 'how is your day?', he or she replies something like 'business is really slow and the day is so long', which is the conventional expression of all Beelzebub is saying. But to know the more to it is very nice.
"But actually from the point of view of the sensation of the duration of Time by your favorites of the planet Earth, the whole lenght of the existence of the 'beings-Microcosmoses' lasts only a few minutes of their 'minutes' and sometimes even only a few of their 'seconds.'
Whether he means the 'being-Microcosmoses' in a drop of water, or the 'being-Microcosmoses' we are, the difference is only in magnitude but not in principle.
"Natural philosophers measure time by movement."
"Lovers measure time by emotions, for the greater their longing, the shorter it seems to them is the time of possesion, the longer the time of waiting."
"Theologians measure stillness by eternity."
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 15, 2004 10:18:06 GMT -5
Chapter 16 p. 127
Comparing Hassein's age with the corresponding age of one of us living on planet Earth will yet give a better understanding of "Time and its peculiarities", and for this comparison we "take the same standard unit of Time - Objective Science employs for such calculations."
Later, Hassein will learn more about the data concerning "the fundamental laws of World-creation and World-maintenance, (which) is also established by the same Objective Science that in general all normal three-brained beings, and amongst them certainly even the beings arising on our planet Karates, sense the sacred 'Egokoolnatsnarnian' action for the definition of Time fourty-nine times more slowly than the same sacred action is sensed by the sacred Individuals dwelling on the Most Holy Sun Absolute.
"Consequently the process of the flow of Time for the three-brained beings of our Karates flows fourty-nine times more quickly than on the Sun Absolute, and thus it should flow also for" us here on planet Earth.
I think I found the planet 'Karates' and also Plato's Atlantis recently, being helped graciously, which was the cause of my great joy and well-being I mentioned a few days ago, and as I suspected all along because Plato speaks of seven islands connected with metals. They are all looking in the wrong places for the Atlantis of Plato.
And here, we have Time sensed flowing fourty-nine times faster for beings on Karates and Earth, than for the Sacred Individuals on the Sun Absolute. Said Sacred Individuals must be of the nature of the Sun to dwell there. As far as I can tell at the moment, and generally speaking, the reason we sense the flow of Time 49 times faster, is because 49 is 7 times 7, the 7 root races and subraces. The Sacred Individual dwelling in the Sun would naturally sense the flow of Time 49 times slower as their vibrations are in harmony with the Sun Absolute, and therefore are not in a hurry like the races and subraces lol, but know the 49. I don't know how to say this in words.
Also, the "sacred 'Egokoolnatsnarnian' is a sensed "action for the definition of Time." I have been raking my brain what that could be or how it could work to no avail, so I find myself in one of those required 'passages' of the flow of Time. Nice.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 16, 2004 10:47:12 GMT -5
Chapter 16 p. 128
"And it is also calculated that during the period of Time in which the sun 'Samos' actualizes its nearest approch to the sun 'Selos,' which period of the flow of Time is considered a 'year' for the planet Karatas, the planet Earth actualizes in relation to its Sun 'Ors' three hundred and eighty-nine of its 'Krentonalnian-revolutions.'
"From which it follows that our 'year,' according to the conventionally objective time-calculation, is three hundred and eighty-nine longer than that period of Time which your favorites consider and call their 'year.'
There is a difference in calculating Time by 'Objective Science', and conventional objective time-calculation. The Time of "Objective Science' must be more accurate, and for me occult, than ordinary time calculation. A very faint tone about the sun 'Samos' and 'Selos', and 'Ors' is in my head but I can't put my finger on it.
It may interest us "to know that all these calculations were partly explained to" Beelzebub "by the Great Arch-Engineer of the Universe, His Measurability, Archangel Algamatant. MAY HE BE PERFECTED UNTO THE HOLY ANKLAD. . . .
All great mathematicians say that the Universe can be known by number and measure, "Algamatant" is probably math, algorithm, algebra, leading to perfect understanding, and maybe the 'ANKLAD' has to do with the ankh or ansated cross.
"He explained this to me when, on the occasion of the first great misfortune to this planet Earth, he came to the planet Mars as one of the sacred members of the third Most Great Commission; and the captain of the transspace ship Omnipresent, with whom I had several friendly talks during that journey, also partly it to me during my journey home."
I see this trans-ships as transition periods in our evolution from one root race to the next all the way down to the present us. The third "Most High Commission" must be the third race, the so called Lemurians and early Atlantians in whom the organ Kundabuffer with all its properties was still functioning, and for this reason were 'omnipresent'. The most superficial, or best known term for this organ is "the Third Eye", or "the Minds Eye". Also the cobra on the crowns and brows of Egyptian dieties, kings and queens. As JohnDM said many times: "Magnificent these ancient Egyptians", instructed by the priests of Vulcan according to Herodotus.
Some classical teachers of old are shown with various head coverings and a triangle extending down the forehead to cover the third eye, so to speak. Some years ago, there was an unconventional Islamic teacher on TV here with such a triangle obscuring his forehead. He spoke of the coming of Maitreya the dawn, and there is a great dawning all around the world, which upset some of his orthodox students greatly.
He told them, in agreement with my own complaint, that when too much emphasis is put on the dead letter of the word instead of substance, the meaning is missed by a large margin; that his purpose is to help change the current thinking process of the world, and that reformation is the salvation of man. So naturally I liked him.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 17, 2004 9:56:41 GMT -5
Chapter 16 p. 128
Gurdjieff has Beelzebub say to Hassein, or the reader "you arose on the Planet Karatas", and "in respect of Being and Reason" those from Karatas and planet Earth are exactly the same age, 12 years old, not yet cognizant of themselves and therefore have to go through the process of growing up to become responsible Beings.
In a sense then, I have 1110 pages to go in the FIRST reading. Whimper and gripe! Listening to G's stuff back then I should have known what I'm getting into, but it's to late to turn back, I must know what is explained "later-later" so I better stop stalling. I just hope it gets better in proportion to it getting worse.
"All the 'features' of the whole of your psyche--what are called your 'character,' 'temperament,' 'inclinations,' and, in short, all the peculiarities of your psyche which are manifested exteriorly--are exactly the same as those of a still immature and pliant three-brained being there (on earth) of the age of twelve years, . . . not yet cognizant of himself,
yet according to their subjective understanding and their being-sensation of the flow of Time, you have already existed by their time-calculations, (the Earthlings) not twelve years but the whole of four thousand six hundred and sixty-eight years."
I remember reading the earth being created about this time, though it seems closer to six thousand years according to the Bible, or maybe the time when the serpent in Eden was anathemized and became the Devil?
All this Beelzebub has said is material to clear up factors why the lenght of our existence on our ill-fated planet has gradually diminished, and what "finally brought the whole of the duration of (our) existence to 'nothing,' has not "one cause but many and very varied causes", the chief one being Nature having to "adapt Herself correspondingly gradually to change (our) presences to those (we) have now."
Of all the other causes I will learn LATER, right now B only explains "why and how Great Nature Herself was compelled to take stock of (our) presences and to form (us) into such new presences." I like Great Nature Herself as a living entity, rather than "adapt or perish." Now, because of our 'peculiar psyche' we are at a transformational stage of the body. Hopefully, when I'm through with this chapter, it will come up in occult anatomy for better understanding.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 18, 2004 10:31:09 GMT -5
To encourage myself I opened a page in Beelzebub at random. It was page 345 and I read about the "holy labors of the Very Saintly Ashiata Shiemach" to replace "the maleficent consequences of the properties of the organ Kundabuffer . . . with those properties proper to the presence of every kind of three-brained being, whose whole presence is an exact similitude of everything in the Universe." This encouraged me greatly.
Chapter 16 p. 130
This Great Nature Herself taking stock and changing our old presences to new presences must be one of those floods from which a new humanity emerges. But first we must "be told that there exist in the Universe generally two 'kinds' or two 'principles' of the duration of beeing-existence.'
The first "is called 'Fulasnitamnian,' proper to the existence of all three-brained beings arising on any planet of our Great Universe, and the fundamental aim and sense of the existence of these beings is that there must proceed through them the transmutation of cosmic substances necessary for what is called the 'common-cosmic Trogoautoegocratic-process."
The 'Fulasnitamnian' must be one of the vapors or gases which we transmute, some type of chemical process. Maybe nitrogen. "Trogoautoegocratic' - cratic is rule, the rule of cosmic substances going through, or being transmuted in our body automatically, caused by an "ego shift" since this seems to be a critical point in our evolution, great Nature forming us into new presences.
"And it is according to the second (nameless) principle of being-existence that all one-brained and two-brained beings in general exists wherever they may arise." Huh?
"And the sense and aim of the existence of these beings, also, consists in this, that there are transmuted through them the cosmic substances required not for the purposes of a common-cosmic character, but only for that solar system or even only for that planet alone, in which and upon which these one-brained and two-brained beings arise."
Since on the next page the 'Astral-body' is mentioned, this is about our different, invisible bodies, 7 in number. Also, these bodies are according to the conditions of the solar system or planet they arise on.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 19, 2004 11:14:49 GMT -5
Chapter 16 p. 131 To further understand our strange psyche we should know that in our ancestors, "that in the beginning, after the organ Kundabuffer with all its properties had been removed from their presences, the duration of their existence was according to the 'Fulasnitamnian' principle, that is to say, they were obliged to exist until there was coated in them and completely perfected by reason of what is called the 'body-Kesdjan,' or, as they themselves later began to name this being-part of theirs--of which, by the way, contemporary beings know only by hearsay--the 'Astral body." So the 'Fulasnitamnian' principle must be an orderly forming of the human body in steps and stages, perfecting one "being-part" to move to the next more concrete form, in harmony with the psyche. And at that time our excessive abnormal and unbecoming existence for three-brained beings began, and consequently and on one hand, we "ceased to emanate the vibrations required by Nature for the maintenance of the seperated fragment of (our) planet." I was waiting for Beelzebub to get back to this seperated fragment of our earth, and actually glad I'm making all this stutter-steps--in my better mornings. On the other hand, due to our already strange psyche at that time, we began "to destroy beings of other forms of (our) planet, thereby gradually diminishing the number of sources required" to maintain this fragment of our earth, and "Nature Herself was compelled gradually to actualize" our presences "according to the second principle 'Itoclanoz,' meaning "in the same way in which She actualizes one-brained and two-brained beings in order that the equilibrium of the vibrations required according to quality and quantity should be attained." This makes perfect sense, now I only need to find out who the one and two brained beings, who in the greater transmute cosmic substances for the solar system or a planet, are. I'm glad I have to go to work now, which work I can do sleeping. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 22, 2004 10:55:13 GMT -5
Chapter 16 p. 131
After the organ Kundabuffer had been removed in our ancestors they were forced to live until the astral body was formed and perfected in them. Later, they began to live excessively abnormal and unbekoming, and couldn't care less about emanating vibrations to maintain the two fragments, the Moon and the smaller 'aerolite', which had seperated from the Earth due to a great cataclysm and couldn't make it back to Earth, couldn't catch up with the Earth, and are now circling it "without constituting a menace for a catastrophy on a great scale" thanks to the Archangel Sakaki who actualized some process keeping them from falling back to the Earth.
The Moon and the smaller fragment were named by, I suppose, either the Most High Commission or Sakaki "Loonderperzo" and "Anulios" respectively, and "the beings of a continent on the "planet" Atlantis, which afterwards perished, still knew of this second fragment of their planet and also called 'Anulios'.
Here Beelzebub says that the second fragment is "of THEIR planet, namely Atlantis, elsewhere it is a chunk of the Earth which we, together with the Moon have failed to maintain properly because we "destroy beings of other forms" on our planet, diminishing the source of vibrations necessary for that maintenance, and Great Nature was forced to actualize another principle in the three-brained beings which was already present in the one and two brained beings to attain the quality and quantity of vibrations to balance things.
Maybe the "other forms" we destroy are animals, and they are the one and two-brained beings, because animals are not as "well-rounded" as humans, but specialize in certain faculties such as the eagle in sight, camels in food and water preservation, dogs in smell and hearing, cats just sitting around pondering what they're going to do in the next of their 9 lives, no-just kidding because I'm near a mental breakdown again.
In the next paragraph Beelzebub says that the "fundamental motives" for our lives gradually dwindling to almost nothing is not our fault, but as time went on "the main grounds for all the sad results were--and particularly now continue to be--the abnormal conditions of external ordinary being-existence established" by ourselves. And because of these conditions "down to the present time, continued to become shorter and shorter", and now the existence of the three-brained beings of all the planets in the Universe, as well as the "real duration" of existence of the infinitesimal beings in that drop of water is the same.
Obvious absurdties were actualized in us on this ill-fated planet in "even the Most Great Hieropass of Time", probably he means a yuga, and
"Thanks to all I have just explained to you, you can put yourself in the position of and understand the although merciless, yet always, and in everything, just Hieropass." Indeed.
The whole chaos we're in is due to "certain 'unforseeingnesses' of certain Sacred Individuals, the rest we're responsible for. There was established long ago "a law for every kind of being of the whole of our Universe", but by now "any normal beeing-sensation whatever concerning cosmic phenomenon" is absent. Not even an aprproxiamte representation of the genuine causes of these phenomena" is in our Reason.
We don't have "an approximately correct representation even of those cosmic phenomena that proceed on (our) own planet round about (us)."
Gurdjieff was merciless too in this chapter, he has this way, a persuasive power, of keeping one's nose to the grindstone, which of course one can walk away from, but I remember, as a child, turning a grindstone for my father to sharpen knifes and scissors, and when reaching a critical speed the sparks flew.
Said a man I wanted to walk away from once: "You know there is something here."
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 13, 2004 8:58:31 GMT -5
I took Beelzebub with me to read and just extract the essence of the next chapter, but was constantly destracted by one thing or another. Alas . . . Chapter 17 p. 134 The Arch-absurd According to the Assertion of Beelzebub, Our Sun Neither Lights nor Heats Beelzebub tells Hassein, that in us on Earth, and especially of us "of the most recent periods, that function called 'the instinctive sensing of reality,' which is proper to every three-brained of the whole of our Great Universe, is entirely lacking." It is not "entirely lacking", because many times we wonder out loud: "My '6th' sense tells me this is so" or other, but doubt it anyway. Or we say: "That doesn't make sence" and reject it alltogether. Maybe he means sensing things around us, the reality we live in at any given moment. In the presence of people, or animals, it is often better to shut off the senses. With people it leads to judging, hard to control, with animals it can get downright scary because they're very good at sensing what we sense or feel. For the moment it is enough to know how we understand and explain to ourselves "the causes why there periodically proceed on (our) planet those cosmic phenomena which we call 'daylight,' 'darkness,' 'heat,' 'cold,' and so on." I see what sensing he means. "All, without exeption" of us responsible beings here on Earth, "and even those many and various 'wiseacrings' existing there which they call 'sciences,' lol are categorically certain that all the said phenomena arrive on (our) planet completely, so to say, ready made, 'd-r-e-c-t-l-y' from (our) own Sun . . . " no if's or buts about it, as we say. With the exeption of "certain beings who existed before the second Transapalnian perturpation there, absolutely no doubt whatever concerning this certainty of (ours), has ever, as yet, crept into a single one of (us). What we are told is that there are beings among us from before a second catastrophy who understand these cosmic phenomena for what it really is. I don't doubt this for a minute. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 14, 2004 7:51:27 GMT -5
Chapter 17 p. 134
Though our reasoning is strange, our logic has some resemblance of sanity. Not a single one of us has ever doubted that the cosmic phenomena of daylight, darkness, heat and cold ect., come directly from our Sun. Neither has a single one of us associated these cosmic phenomena with "that strange, special property of (our) common psyche, which also became proper to" us on our "planet alone, and which is called 'to fantasy.'"
With "a bitter smile" Beelzebub says to Hassein that he has "the normal presence of a three-brained being", and there was "implanted in (him) from without 'Oskiano" which we on Earth call education, "which is founded on a morality based solely on the commandments and indications of og the UNI-BEING HIMSELF and the Most Holy Individuals near to Him." If by chance Hassein would be among us, he would be "unable to prevent the process of" what those from the planet Karatas call 'being-Nerhitrogool', or what we on Earth call 'irrepressible inner laughter."
If there was a way for us "to clearly sense and understand, without any doubt whatsoever, that not only does nothing like 'light', 'darkness', 'heat,' and so on, come to (our) planet from (our) Sun itself, but that (our) supposed 'source of heat and light' is itself almost always freezing cold like the 'hairless-dog' of our esteemed Mullah Nassr Eddin."
I have experienced this "irrepressible inner laughter" which comes with the perfect understanding of the true nature of a thing, or part of the Whole, in which is seen instantaneously the Whole-phenomena. I think of it as a "Buddha laughter." It is the only time I loved my own laughter because it was REAL.
A compliment to this from Sir Francis Bacon
The occasion for wonder is rare, the common and familiar dispels it. Contemplating "rare and extraordinary works of nauture" or "excellent and wonderful works of art", excites the mind and raises it to the investigation of Forms: when the form of a thing is known, its cause is known. When causes are explained, marveling cease. Unknown is the cause of the phenomena of of miracles and wonder, but when we
". . . shall have added depth of knowledge to the fineness of your spirits and greatness of your power, then indeed shall you be a Trimegistus, and then, when all other miracles and wonder shall cease, by reason that you shall have dicovered their natural causes, yourself shall be left, the only miracle and wonder of the world."
Indeed
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 15, 2004 8:41:35 GMT -5
Chapter 17 p. 135 Beelzebub says that the surface "of all the ordinary suns of our Great Universe, is perhaps more covered with ice than the surface of what (we) call (our) North Pole." Similarely, "in reality", is our "Source-of-Heat." Instead of sending "part of its own heat to any other planet, this 'hearth-of-heat' itself would rather borrow heat, if only a little, from some other source of 'cosmic substane.' " Especially it wouldn't send a part of its own heat to our planet Earth, though belonging to the system of this cosmic oven, has become "in consequence of the splitting off from it of a whole side a 'lopsided monstrosity' and is now already a source of 'offensive-shame' for that poor system 'Ors'." Though it appears perfectly round with no piece missing, I think he means the 'lopsided' Earth on account of the axis, but he only says "that planet." It's not hard to see that to beings of a higher consciousness, the Earth herself, or the earth spirit which is not very nice, the strange lady living in the mountains told me, and humanity as it subsists today in our thinking and actions, is an "offensive-shame." It is hard to stomach even to a great many of a regular consciousness. Grandfather asks Hassein if he himself knows "how and why in the atmosphere of certain planets during Trogoautoegocratic processes", proceed phenomena we call 'daylight,' 'darkness,' 'cold,' 'heat,' and so on?" Though he promised to explain later, Grandfather will say a few words about these cosmic laws now, in order that that which he is talking about "may be transsubstantiated in you in the right way." Yes I know that that is what he is doing with his peculiar style of writing, that's why I stick around. The following paragraphs are very interesting and some of it not too difficult to comprehend. "It is necessary to say, first of all, that everything in the Universe, both the intentionally created and the later automatically arisen, exists and is maintained exclusively on the basis of what is called the 'commen-cosmic-Trogoautoegocratic-process.' "This Most Great common-cosmic-Trogoautoegocratic-process was actualized by our ENDLESS UNI-BEING, when our Most Great and Most Holy Sun Absolute had already existed, on which our ALL-GRACIOUS ENDLESS CREATOR had and still has the chief place of His existence. "This system, which maintains everything arisen and existing, was actualized by our ENDLESS CREATOR in order that what is called the 'exchange of substances' or the 'Resiprocal-feeding' of everything that exists, might proceed in the Universe and thereby that the merciless 'Heropass' might not have its maleficent effect on the Sun Absolute." I think by the Sun Absolute who already existed, he means the Great Spiritual Sun or Adam Cadmon crucified in space, on the solar plane Jesus crucified on the cross of matter, who goes back to the "place" where his "father" had and still has the chief place of existence, the Ether. The process of 'Reciprocal-feedin' in merciless Time is kept away from the Sun Absolute eternal. The 'exchange of substances' can also be seen in quantum mechanics. The august mind Gurdjieff, the nephew of "Prince Mukransky." Hmmm Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 16, 2004 8:33:35 GMT -5
Chapter 17 p. 137 This process of "Resiprocal-feeding of everything that exists" in order that time may not effect the Sun Absolute, "is actualized always and in everything on the basis of two fundamental cosmic laws", both of the first degree and scared, the first the law of 7, I think, the second I don't know. Due to these 2 fundamental cosmic laws "there first arise from the substance" called "Etherokrilno", and "under certain conditions 'crystallizations; and from these crystallizations, but later, and also under certain conditions, there are formed various large and small, more or less indipendent, cosmic definite formations." Things crystallize in the ether which aggregate and later become large and small definite formations. According to these 2 fundamental laws, processes of "involution and evolution of the already formed" objects and "said crystallizations take place within and upon" these definite formations, "and all the results obtained from these processes in atmospheres, and further, by means of these atmospheres, blend and go for the actualizing of the said "exchange-of-matters' for the purpose" that all existing things in the Universe can go on without effecting the Sun Absolute. It would mean the uneffected is real, the rest is phenomena depending on many "conditions" as in quantum physics. Fern's "form is disciplined force" comes to mind, and Madam Blavatsky says as much. Fern's "spirit involution causes matter evolution" belongs here too, somewhere, affirmed by the time honered model of the point, spirit, from which preceeds a line, the traveling soul, and the circle, the perimeter of experience. Also the point as the "big bang", cooling elements flying out into space, the lines, and the circle universe. "Etherokrilno is that "prime-source substance with which the whole Universe is filled, and wich is the basis for the arising and maintainance of everything existing." Space is the matrix of all births, maybe the "krilno" is the maintainance property of ether, or Madam Blavatsky's "Fohat", ney impossible to describe. Hermes has a "phos" which reminds me of phosphorus, luminous in the dark. Without exception, all cosmic concentrations, large and small, have their basic arising in this ether, and all transformation takes place in this "fundamental" cosmic substance. Involution and evolution of "active elements" have, and still optain "their prime arising" from this "prime source cosmic substance." We should bear in mind, says Beelzebub, "that it is because of this that the mentioned "Objective Science says that 'everything without exception in the Universe is material." It would be nice if you, Cogga's, would elaborate here, as you promised to be "more on the mark" when it came to the scientific side of G's teachings. But maybe it is the time again to organize for school. For heavens sake and mine where are you? Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 17, 2004 9:30:54 GMT -5
Chapter 17 p. 138
"Only one cosmic crystallization" eminates from the Most Holy Sun Absolute, the Solar Logos. This omni-active-principle is also "crystallized from Etherokrilno--from the three Holy sources of the sacred Theomertmalogos", which looks like God, Logos or Word.
Hermes Trismegistus, the Universal Agent, divine workman of the Philosophers, is "One in Essence but Three in Aspect" He is the same as the Kabalists "Churam Telat Machasot", so as far as I can tell, the "Omnipresent Okidanokh" is Prana or Vitality, "krilno" the vivifying force, the Azoth of the Kabalists.
This omnipresent active element "takes part in the formation of all both great and small arisings, and is, in general the fundamental cause of most of the cosmic phenomena and, in particular, of the phenomena proceeding in the atmospheres."
The "three Holy sources of the sacred Theomertmalogos are "Fohat or Electricity", the primary force--spiritual fire of the first aspect. The second holy source is Prana or Vitality, the form preserving principle, and the third Kundalini or Serent fire, the creative force.
Beelzebub: " . . . the sacred Triamazikamno-- (must be Trismegistus in Russian) consisits of three independent forces, that is to say, this sacred law manifests in everything, without exception, and everywhere in the Universe, in three seperate indipendent aspects.
"And these three aspects exist in the Universe under the following demoninations: "The first under the denomination , the 'Holy-Affirming'; "The second, the 'Holy-Denying' and "The third, the 'Holy-Reconciling.'
Of course, this pertains to our "peculiar psyche", but here I got the "Tiger of Turkestan" by his tail.
My Chemist Teacher
Cosmically speaking, these three principles " . . . as far as the act in the process of building, maintaining and destroying worlds, are the three forces or Modes of Material Nature (Sattva, Rajas and Tamas, the three Gunas) and the act in consonance with one of the great universal laws, the Law of Three or of triunites.
This law states that three forces must be brought to bear for anything that happens. These forces consist of a positive or active one, a negative, passive or resistive one, and a neutral, harmonizing or reconciling one. Sulfur is the active, fiery principle; Salt is the passive, inertial principle of form; and Mercury is the harmonizing and dissolving principle which increases in potency as the work of evolutionary progress moves forward.
The Law of Three is seen manifest, for example, in the electron, proton and neutron of the chemical atom; the three-fold spirit, soul and body of man; the tripartite spinal cord, the tripple creative Kundalini serpent-fire current symbolized by the philosophical principles mercury, sulfur and salt of alchemy; thr three mother-letters of the Hebrew alphabet, aleph (air), shin (fire) and mem (water); and the three aspects of Consciousness - Will, Wisdom and Activity (Creative Intelligence); and the Trigunas or Modes of Material Nature."
According to Isha de Lubicz, the Egyptians taught that salt was the first element on earth, and "ye are the salt of the earth . . ."
Not the "various 'wiseacrings' of material scientists, but Philosopher/Scientists, the Ancient Egyptians, Prophets, Mystics, Adepts, and my teachers, past and present, rule!!!
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 19, 2004 10:28:08 GMT -5
Objective Science formulates the three aspects 'Holy-Affirming'; 'Holy-Denying'; and 'Holy-Reconciling', existing in the Universe thus: "A law which always flows into a consequence and becomes the cause of subsequent consequences, and always functions by three indipendent and quite opposite characteristic manifestations, latent within it, in properties neither seen nor sensed."
The laws of "World-creation and World-maintainance", the greater macrocosm, and the lesser microcosm, man.
Gurdjieff deals in this chapter with both, with transformation and transmutation as set forth in, and described by the Rosicrucian Dr. Sigismund Bacstrom "The Emerald Table, the most ancient monument of the Chaldeans concerning the Lapis Philosophorum, the Philosopher's Stone."
The three indipendent latent characteristics of the universal agent of transmutation"Churam Telat Machasot" or Hermes Trismegistus are in the name itself. "The word 'telat' in Arabic and Aramaic means 'three', and 'machasot' in Hebrew means 'places of safe-keeping", therefore the "properites" can "neither be seen nor sensed."
Alchemy or God Chemistry
According to said teacher, the universal agent of transmutation acts on four levels.
"At the first level, that of the Solar Logos or Macrocosm, it is the personification of the Universal Life Force in its unity. This is Shemayim - the fiery-airy-water, the Universal Mercury or highest Azoth, the Holy Spirit, the Shekinah, the Outpouring of the Creative Word or Logos, the Divine Workman or Demiurge, the Blood of the Solar Christ. CHamah, Ruach and Mayim" forming "the name 'CHuRam", then, is a root word which contains this triplicity."
This corresponds to Beelzebub's "second fundamental cosmic law--the Sacred Triamazikamno", also the "Holy Affirming."
My teacher:
"At the second level, that of the Thought World, Churam is the Esoteric Wisdom Teaching - symbolized in the West as the Order of Melchizedeck. The progression Thoth Hermes Trismegistus, Hiram Abiff (Churam Avi), Christian Rosenkreutz and the Compte de St. Germain, it is suggested, represent the three expressions of the Western Wisdom Teaching, namely, the Hermetic, the Kabbalistic, and the Rosicrucian/Free-Masonic; and also the Adepts who personify this Teaching and who assist the Solar Deity in guiding mankind and transmuting the Planetary Sin-Body."
This corresponds sort of to the "Holy Reconciling" of Beelzebub, but more importantly, I read this confirmed a few weeks ago, also sort of, sort of because sometimes, a few words, or one sentence of a whole page, or even article, synthesize the whole range of information floating over one's head.
The "third level, that of man the Microcosm", says the Kabalist, "the Universal Agent in its 'unity' is the Kundalini 'serpent-fire' or creative sex-force, the fire-mist or Solar Azoth, laying latent and coiled as the base of the spine. With spiritual discipline and esoteric training, we will ultimately raise this force as a current circulating in the upper body between the heart and the head centers. When this current bridges the pituitary body and pineal gland (the female and male organs of spiritual regeneration respectively) through the third ventricle of the brain, (the manger-my C.M. note) the Philosopher's Stone will have formed in us. This also constitutes the Holy Grail which, as the recepticle or chalice of the fiery waters of the Holy Spirit, confers upon us the power to transmute. We are then said to be "filled with the Holy Spirit", or 'Christed'. We have become a Hermaphrodite Philosopher, the Molten Sea, in whom the fiery and watery, the masculine and feminine potencies have been reconciled and balanced." A "Holy Reconciling."
The Caduseus of Mercury
The triple creative force-current "manifests as the negative current called 'Ida' related to the sympathetic nerve segment (automatic nervous system), ruled by the "Lunar Angels' under Jehovah and alchemically designated "Salt"; as the 'positive current' called 'Pingala' related to the motor nerve segment of the spinal cord, ruled by the Martian "Lucifer Spirits" and alchemically designated "Sulfur"; and in the neutral current called 'Sushumna' related to the segment which transmits the sensory nerve impulses to the brain (the central segment of the spinal cord), ruled by the 'Mercurian Hierarchy' and alchemically designated "Mercury".
"Finally, at the fourth level, the elemental and chemical level, the Universal Agent is air-water, fire and earth-water (note that the watery element is expressed in both an 'active' and 'passive' aspect), and again, in alchemical symbolism - mercury, sulfur and salt - the three 'Philosophical Principles'. The one unifying essence, the Universal Life Force, called Azoth, underlaying these three principles and four elements, manifest at this level as electricity and magentism, gravitational force and other atomic and molecular forces spoken of in modern physics and chemistry. In Theosophy, it is called 'Fohat'."
This is not much easier than G describes all this on page 139. Good luck to me in parallelling it. Salt must be the resisting or "Holy Denying", for Beelzebub has things "crystallize" constantly.
In everyday life it's the orthos and sceptics lol
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 20, 2004 9:08:04 GMT -5
More "Partkdolg-duty"
Yesterday I thought about the statement of Beelzebub, e.g. "our Most Great and Most Holy Sun Absolute had already existed" when the "Most Great common-cosmic Trogoautoegocratic-process was actualized by our ENDLESS UNI-BEING." This process is the process of transformation and transmutation our evolving ego goes through automatically as long as it is evolving to become wholy self-conscious.
The Most Holy Sun Absolute, or the great central sun had already existed when our compound nature began to crystallize, if by "our ENDLESS UNI-BEING" he means our compound nature. Most interesting is that on this great central sun "our ALL-GRACIOUS ENDLESS CREATOR had and still has the chief place of His existence." I understand the great central sun to be that glowing center of our galaxy which science calls "the cosmic bulge." If our Creator has his "chief" existence there, he must exist elsewhere as well? I let this go for now.
In connection with the negative current "Ida", ruled by the "Lunar Angels" under Jehovah, the tunneling three-brained beings on the Moon with "frail bodies and a very strong spirit" came to mind.
"Oh Man look at man! Declared the enraptured Hildegard von Bingen.
If we as Microcosms put ourselves into a receptive state of awareness, "we, in effect, become the space within which everything is happening", said the teacher.
"I repeat", says Beelzebub on page 139, "among the number of other already definite cosmic crystallizations, the Omnipresent-Okidanokh unfailingly participates in both large and small cosmic formations, wherever and under whatever external surrounding conditions they may arise in the Universe."
The three agents participating in cosmic formations are salt, sulfur, and mercury.
My teacher:
Mercury is the all-penetrating, all pervasive, onmipresent or everywhere, omnidirectional or extending in all directions at once, is the principle most directly expressive of the Universal Life Force, and is most appropriately represented by a sphere. As those who have seen it will testify, the chemical element mercury when spilled indeed forms itself into many rolling balls or globules. Mercury as a principle is associated with both the airy and watery principle."
I broke a thermometer once and every time my fingers came near the bigger blob to pick it up it rolled away. The same it is with Mercury as the messenger of, and adviser to the gods, every time he is approached he takes wings.
Charlotte
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Post by BERNHARD on Sept 20, 2004 9:38:05 GMT -5
Dear Lotte, in context with the creator "YHWH", or what ever his true name will be, i still pointed to an interesting old Bible-text, some months ago: Moses begged to his god YHWH, "please let me see you that way, as you REAL ARE !!! . and YHWH answered: oh moses, you can not real see me .. and staying alive at the same time ! .... yeah: this is a very good answer: ONE ASPECT OF God is his (their) pure living pulsating energy !!! even only a minimized part of a beam of his pure universal energy would have killed Moses instantaneously !! because God did not want to use human figures ( looking like an old man ) or even animalistic shapes or other tricks, to communicate with an human being , like Moses, he (YHWH) used a virtual burning bush as a firey symbol: .. "com' on MOSES, do not stay in fear, here i am, and here we talk !" why not ? imagine, that the temperature in the desert at night can be very low, and the sinai-mountains are well known for astounding low temperatures near the top ( around 2500 m high ), that why the fire of a burning bush warms Moses and illuminates the place as well, taking his fear away ! ciao&servus : Bernie
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 21, 2004 8:23:39 GMT -5
"Sulfur is the combustable and fiery chemical element; it is associated with and present in the fiery aspect of volcanoes. As a universal principle it is directional, volitional like a vector or shooting arrow, and is appropiately represented by a prism and pyramid. The chemical element sulfur indeed crystallizes in this geometric form. Sulfur as a principle is associated with the fiery element and the masculine potency of activity assertive volitional energy."
"Salt as a principle is associated with both the idea and actual manifestation of form. This means that it may not only show up as the crystallized, rigidly-shaped object which we can see, hold or bumb into, but can be visualized in our imagination as an abstract flowing symbol which can be changed or altered by our mind. Salt is associated with both the earthy and watery elements and the feminine potency of strong resistive foundation (we can stand on it - it gives us stability and support), imagination and receptive intelligence. It is appropriately represented by the cube. The chemical compound salt or sodium chlorite indeed crystallizes in this form. This crystallization is broken up when the salt dissolves in water where its constituents become freed up and mobile, but retain the potential for recrystallization, again always in the same form.
The three philosophical principles called, alchemically Mercury, Sulfer and salt are the reflections in the objective material worlds of form of the three aspects of consciousness of the formless subjective worlds called Will, Wisdom and Activity (Active Creative Intelligence). These two triads or trinities interact through an intermediate state called Harmony, the one unifying Life Principle in disguise, which in the Eastern Wisdom Teaching is appropriately called Maya or illusion.
So we have three modes of Spiritual Nature or consciousness, and three modes of Material Nature or Matter, and a connecting link called Harmony through which each spiritual mode acts upon its corresponding reflection or material mode. This relationship is symbolized by the hexagram or Seal of Solomon with a dot in its center. These six modes plus the link of Harmony form a septenary, and this will lead us into another great cosmic law, the Law of Seven or the Law of Octaves."
So above and below we have "the Holy-Affirming"sulfur, masculine; "the Holy-Denying" salt, feminine; and "the Holy-Reconciling" mercury, their offspring.
Reading and trying to make coherence of pages 139, 140, and 141 of chapter 17 just pulverizes my brain, so I'll say that the "Stopinders' or 'gravity centers' of the fundamental 'common-cosmic sacred Heptaraparshinokh" is the law of 7 or octaves, described by my teacher as follows.
"The Law of Seven, or the Law of Octaves, states that everything happens in groups of seven steps, stages or intervals, and that each of these octaves contain intervals which require special efforts, impulses or shocks", the seven-para-apart-shinokh's, "without which the octaves cannot be completed and the process will bog down, change direction or even revert to its opposite objective (reverse itself)."
How in the Universe could anybody make it through Beelzebub's Tales without such a teacher? I suppose it would work skipping the uncomprehensible in the first reading or wait till "later", but "hope deferred maketh the heart sick", and patience thin.
Charlotte
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Post by coggas on Sept 22, 2004 6:53:47 GMT -5
Fascinating...
C.
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Post by BERNHARD on Sept 22, 2004 7:12:47 GMT -5
Dear LOTTE, this is so much material !! oh my god ! "Du haust uns da wieder so viele Sachen um die Ohren" but unfortunately, today i have to go earlier, to perform some urgent, and more private activities, that's why i can not answer your just right now ! but HURRAH: COGGAS is back, and will certainly be able to entertain you ! ;D -- best regards as always , and till tomorrow ! Bernie
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 22, 2004 9:17:53 GMT -5
Hi Bernie and Cogga's, Die vielen Sachen - I knew this was coming when I started Beelzebub, and most of the time I too have the sensation of "the-fear-of-drowning-in-the-overflow-of-my-own-thoughts." But as you can see by what said teacher taught, and that isn't the half of it, I was somewhat conditioned to hang in there. I would bring him flowers and other things, and when he thanked me I would say: "It is for taxing my brain to the limit", holding my head. The old "overload the mind so it can't cope with all of it, not being able to cope it will give up trying and just participate in the process, understanding comes later" applies. The whirling Dervishes to the still center. Don't worry about not having time, Bernie, it is enough for me to know that a Bavarian is here Hund sama scho! Good to hear a word from you Cogga's, well, errr, yes, I know, Gurdjieff is such a trickster and I will catch up with his mind eventually. Meet you in Samlios! The passage of time required for this 'Partkdolg-duty' ends with "Universal Laws hidden in Cosmic Geometry" "The Laws of Three and of Seven as well as the progression 1 - 3 - 6 are all contained in the great symbol of the PYthagorean Tetraktys." Draw a pyramid with 10 dots, one on top, then downward 2, below 3, below 4. "By connecting the seven central dots with lines, we form the cube - the perfect symmetrical solid - and the hexagram or Seal of Solomon with a point in the center." There are three unused dots at each of the three points of the pyramid shape. Manly Palmer Hall: "Quabbalistically, the three unused corner dots represent the threefold invisible causal universe, while the seven dots involved in the cube and the star are the Elohim - the spirits of the seven creative periods. The Sabbath, or seventh day, is the central dot." Fern too had "a trinity creator." Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 24, 2004 9:25:23 GMT -5
What is is, and what isn't isn't, and the twain shall never meet.
In the process of transformation the twain do meet, that is to say, if we work through the polarities of affirming and denying, or thesis and antithesis, we come to a reconciling and synthesis, which is a new affirming or thesis. Or as Beelzebub puts it: we reblend the three "and they are again transformed into "Okidanokh,' but having now another quality of Vivifyingness of Vibrations."
We have vivified our understanding by analysis and raised our vibrations to a higher level, and make the next step. From the beginning the "Okidanokh" sounded to me like "okidoki", or now I get it, but it sounded silly, but now he says on page 140"
"It must without fail be noticed that in every cosmic formation, the said seperate sources, (the 3 aspects of the universal transmuting agent Trismegistus) both for the perception and for the further utilization of this property of the 'Omnipresent-Active-Element' for the purpose of the corresponding actualizing, exist and continue to have the possibility of functioning as long as the cosmic unit exists."
The cosmic unit in this case would be the "the thing we are investigating" which would be kept alive and continue to function as long we are actively looking at the thing so we can perceive the true or false nature of the thing and actualize it. Then he says that "only after the cosmic unit has been completely destroyed" the three blend again because we have come to a "Holy Reconciling" or understanding of the thing investigated.
Furthermore, on page 141, Beelzebub tells Hassein about "one fundamental cosmic second-degree law, existing in the Universe, under the denomination of the 'Sacred Aieioiuoa." This means "aiyeai-oh-what-have-i-done" because he says:
"And this cosmic law is, that there proceeds with every arising large and small, when in direct touch with the eminations either of the Sun Absolute itself or of any other sun, what is called 'Remorse,' that is, a process when every part that has arisen from the results of any one Holy Source of the Sacred Triamazikamno, as it were, 'revolts' and 'criticizes' the former unbecoming perception (when we misunderstand) and the manifestation at the moment of another part of its whole--a part obtained from the results of another Holy Source of the same fundamental sacred Cosmic Law of Triamazikamno."
This other part of the same fundamental cosmic law of the three transmuting agents may be "salt", psychologically negative and resisting, or willful ignorance and thoughtlessness.
"And this sacred process 'Aieioiuoa' or 'Remorse' always proceeds with the 'Omnipresent-Active-Element-Okidanokh' also."
So all in all it means that when we realize that we have missperceived and acted upon this perception our conscience revolts, we critizise ourselfs and are sorry. Only when we are in "direct touch with the Sun Absolute itself", the "truth", do we hace a conscience.
Also, these three sacred sources are "localized in the 'Omnipresent-Active-Element-Okidanokh", so IT must be consciousness and understanding in the light of . . .
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 25, 2004 8:53:25 GMT -5
In summation The 3 in inner space, psychologically. Our consciousness itself actualizes the sources for the possible manifestation of it's own sacred law of affirming, denying, and reconciling by which progress is made. Omnipresent consciousness is the "only" cosmic crystallization emanating from the solar logos. It's strange to think of consciousness as a "crystallization", but in fact we can see our own seeingness - partaking of the Universal Mind. The 3 in outer space, physics. "The Sun is, within the Solar System, the source of three aspects of the Universal Life-Force: Fohat or Electricity, Prana or Vitality, and Kundalini or Creative Serpent Fire. Fohat or Electricity, the Primary force - is the spritual fire of the First Aspect of Diety or Consciousness (the "Father" Principle), and most probably relates to the Electromagnetic force of modern physics. It is the FORM-DESTROYING Principle. Prana and Vitality, the vivifying Force - is the intergrating power of the Second Aspect of Deity or Consciousness (the Christ or "Son" principle), and quite possibly relates to both the Weak and Gravitational forces of modern physics. It is the FORM-PRESERVING Principle. Kundalini or "Serpent Fire", the Creative Force is one of the fires of matter, the atomic and molecular organizing force of the Third Aspect of Diety or Consciousness (the "Holy Spirit", Demiurgic or Divine Workman Principle). It probably relates to the Strong Force of modern physics, which binds together the nucleus of the chemical atom - the energy which is released in atomic and thermonuclear explosions. It is the FORM-CREATING-Principle, and emanates from the 'center of the earth' as well as from the Sun." These 3 seperate and "exist almost independently" when we investigate something, and when the process ceases "they blend again and then continue to exist as a whole." Beelzebub's "three Holy Sources" are the three aspects of consciousness of Diety reflected in the material world. Above and below "mingle" says Hermes: "It is true, no lie, without doubt, and to be depended upon, (a fourfold affirmation) that the superior agrees with the inferior, and the inferior with the superior, to effect that one truly wonderful work." The accomplishment of the Magnum Opus in both the Macrocosm and man the Microcosm, the regeneration of all Universal Life. The aim of "Mr. Gurdjieff." "All life's pleasure is getting al little closer to perfection!" Ravelle Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 27, 2004 9:53:05 GMT -5
Rats, I just lost my whole post Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 28, 2004 9:50:18 GMT -5
Chapter 17 p. 141
In his "many-centuried observation", Beelzebub has noticed an interesting fact concerning the "scientific speculations" of the three-brained beings on earth called scientists.
" . . . though 'science' appeared among them almost from the very beginning of their arising, and, it may be said, periodically, like everything else there, rose to a more or less high degree of perfection, and that though during these and other periods, many millions of their three-brained beings called there 'scientists' must have arisen and been again destroyed, ( how many centuries does he have in mind for 'millions' of scientists to arise) yet with the single exception of a certain Chinese man named Choon-Kil-Tez, sounds like Confusius or Kon-fu-zu) about whom I shall tell you later in detail, not once has the thought entered the head of a single one of them there that between these cosmic phenomena which they call 'emanation' and 'radiation' there is any difference whatever."
It may not have entered the head of any scientist, but has entered the head of how many students I don't know, and mine. Let's say a "good" archetypal figure emanates, from his or her whole being, primarely from its center but also from every cell of its "body", exept the "skin." It imagins and emanates a form of an idea or ideal it has in mind and "wills" to manifest. This divine process is warm and gentle and one of love and beauty.
Radiation: a person or the sun can radiate enegy which can be felt in both cases, the difference is obvious.
"They are as much alike as the beard of the famous English Shakespeare and the no less famous French Armagnac" according to the esteemed Mullah Nassr Eddin. I don't know who the French Armagnac is, but Mullah Nassr Eddin, says Mr. Gurdieff in "Meeting with Remarkable Men" is the "all common teacher" which he likens to the German "Till Eulenspiegel" and the American "Uncle Sam." To see Uncle Sam as an "all common teacher" requires knowledge of the life of Francis Bacon, the actual founder of America, the New Atlantis.
Eulenspiegel, Eule=fool-idiot, Spiegel=mirror. I olden days, before idiot took on its now common idiotic connotation, idiot or idios meant "one's own", or one's own inner perception. Eule also means owl, bird of prey and night vision, symbolic for humans searching in the darkness of the sub-and unconscious. There are savant idiots and scholarly idiots, and the fool of the Tarot is wild and free, so Pyramidiots rejoyce!
"Mirror mirror on the wall who is the fairest of them all? You, my queen, but there is one fairer in the land" Snow White, the feminine Soul the prince is compelled to awaken in himself if they want to live happily ever after as one: the philosophers stone.
Charlotte
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Post by BERNHARD on Sept 29, 2004 5:17:48 GMT -5
Dear CHARLOTTE, cause i actually have some minutes to relax and to read your contributions ( btw.: where is DON the Barone , where are the other members or visitors here ? Hello GUYS and GIRLS from all the world ) ! just studying your comments regarding EULENSPIEGEL, i have to made some additional remarks including an humble correction : ---- the real Till EULENSPIEGEL was born in (around) 1300 at Kneitlingen ( on Elm ) , and died around 1350 at Mölln ! the original medieval form of his (not real) name was DYL ULENSPIEGEL, and the name ULENSPIEGEL derives not from the owl (=EULE) and (in this context) from mirror (=spiegel), but from the "mittel-niederdeutschen" (middle-low-german) verb ULEN = to wipe (!) and "SPIEGEL" originates from middle-low-german SPEGEL = mirror ( => german hunters speech for the (white) backside of a roebock ! ), here more in the meaning of the ASS itself ! the meaning in this context is very simply and vulgar as: kiss (wipe) my ass ! its the role of this mystical man, we do not konow his civil true name, living in the early 14. century, to provocate the people, to irritate them, to ( yes ! ) show them the mirror of their crazy life, their wrong standards, their doomed traditions and conventions which they should think over, because of their lies embedded inside ! DYL was a man, of whom we do not have certain concrete historical facts, but who may have been a real living person, acting as a kind of a "SCHALK" (rogue) or a "GAUKLER" (juggler) or "KOMOEDIANT" (comedian) , may be a combination of all that too ! ( as well it seemed that it was NOT his intention to work hard, with his own hands ! ) . this man certainly was not a dumb person ! his life and his crazy looking activities later had been becoming the content of a famous piece of german literature entitled: "Ein kurtzweilig Lesen von Dyl Ulenspiegel, geboren uß dem Land zu Brunßwick, wie er sein leben volbracht hat..." the eldest issue we still have is from the year 1510/1511 ! the author was an anonymous one. some scientiest claim a certain man named Hermann Bote from Braunschweig ( old name: Brunswick ), but this is not well established or certain ! interestingly we know of some other "EULENSPIEGEL"-like acting persons in other countries or cultures ! so we have a (jewish) man named Hershele Ostropolier ( in the early 19. century / today UKRAINE ) and the turkish Hodscha Nasreddin !! -- so far for the moment, and back to work ! --- ciao and cheers from bavaria : Bernie
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Post by BERNHARD on Sept 29, 2004 5:23:37 GMT -5
******************************************* second version: the editor wrongly changed some words or phrases ! ******************************************* Dear CHARLOTTE, cause i actually have some minutes to relax and to read your contributions ( btw.: where is DON the Barone , where are the other members or visitors here ? Hello GUYS and GIRLS from all the world ) ! just studying your comments regarding EULENSPIEGEL, i have to made some additional remarks including an humble correction : ---- the real Till EULENSPIEGEL was born in (around) 1300 at Kneitlingen ( on Elm ) , and died around 1350 at Mölln ! the original medieval form of his (not real) name was DYL ULENSPIEGEL, and the name ULENSPIEGEL derives not from the owl (=EULE) and (in this context) from mirror (=spiegel), but from the "mittel-niederdeutschen" (middle-low-german) verb ULEN = to wipe (!) and "SPIEGEL" originates from middle-low-german SPEGEL = mirror ( => german hunters speech for the (white) backside of a roebock ! ), and here more in the vulgar meaning of : kiss (wipe) my ass ! it was the role or intention of this somehow mystical man, of whom we do not know his civil true name, living in the early 14. century, to provocate the people, to irritate them, to ( yes ! ) show them the mirror of their crazy life, their wrong standards, their doomed traditions and conventions which they should think over, because of their lies embedded inside ! DYL was a man, of whom we do not have certain concrete historical facts, but who may have been a real living person, acting as a kind of a "SCHALK" (rogue) or a "GAUKLER" (juggler) or "KOMOEDIANT" (comedian) , may be a combination of all that too ! ( as well it seemed that it was NOT his intention to work hard, with his own hands ! ) . this man certainly was not a dumb person ! his life and his crazy looking activities later had been becoming the content of a famous piece of german literature entitled: "Ein kurtzweilig Lesen von Dyl Ulenspiegel, geboren uß dem Land zu Brunßwick, wie er sein leben volbracht hat..." the eldest issue we still have is from the year 1510/1511 ! the author was an anonymous one. some scientiest claim a certain man named Hermann Bote from Braunschweig ( old name: Brunswick ), but this is not well established or certain ! interestingly we know of some other "EULENSPIEGEL"-like acting persons in other countries or cultures ! so we have a (jewish) man named Hershele Ostropolier ( in the early 19. century / today UKRAINE ) and the turkish Hodscha Nasreddin !! -- so far for the moment, and back to work ! --- ciao and cheers from bavaria : Bernie
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