Pi in Sumeria in late 4th millennium B.C.E

[Don Barone]

Hi all ... well I just can't stop can I. I started a post over at Ma'at but it seems it is going to yield maybe more than I thought so I figured I better transfer it here.

Pi in Sumeria in late 4th millennium B.C.E
Posted by: Don Barone (IP Logged)
Date: June 17, 2018 12:30PM

I have started to look for measurements in Ancient Sumer and they are unfortunately as rare as hen's teeth however there is one place that has given us measurements and that is the temple that sat atop ... well here is the quote:

Within Uruk, the greatest monument was the Anu Ziggurat on which the White Temple was built. Dating to the late 4th millennium B.C.E. (the Late Uruk Period, or Uruk III) and dedicated to the sky god Anu, this temple would have towered well above (approximately 40 feet) the flat plain of Uruk, and been visible from a great distance—even over the defensive walls of the city.

and a bit more with the measurements ...

The White Temple:

The White temple was rectangular, measuring 17.5 x 22.3 meters and, at its corners, oriented to the cardinal points. It is a typical Uruk “high temple (Hochtempel)” type with a tri-partite plan: a long rectangular central hall with rooms on either side (plan). The White Temple had three entrances, none of which faced the ziggurat ramp directly. Visitors would have needed to walk around the temple, appreciating its bright façade and the powerful view, and likely gained access to the interior in a “bent axis” approach (where one would have to turn 90 degrees to face the altar), a typical arrangement for Ancient Near Eastern temples.

Well like any good numerologist I immediately tried to see if I could find a ratio and so I divided 22.3 by 17.5 and got ... 1.2742857142857 and becasue of the recurring decimals shows that it is a multiple or has been divided by 7 ... HOWEVER WHERE THERE IS 7 THERE IS USUALLY PI and so since the reciprocal of this number was 0.7847534 I decided to see how close 4 and Pi would be and got this result ...

22.3 / 4 = 5.575 (awfully close to seked 5.5 don't you think ?

5.575 * pi = 17.51

So in another one of those coincidences that I have to be the world's greatest at finding we have The White Temple, an ancient temple of Sumer constructed to basically the same dimensions as The Great Pyramid.

Well I decided to lighten your burden just a bit of having to believe in pi and give you this information from Wiki ...

In 1916, during the last years of the Ottoman Empire and in the middle of World War I, the German assyriologist Eckhard Unger found a copper-alloy bar while excavating at Nippur. The bar dates from c. 2650 BC and Unger claimed it was used as a measurement standard. This irregularly formed and irregularly marked graduated rule supposedly defined the Sumerian cubit as about 518.6 mm (20.42 in).

Now 22.3 is 877.95 inches and divided by 20.42 = 42.995 so I think we could be fairly accurate and say that this side was supposed to be 43 Nippur Cubits

would the other side yield a similar even amount ...

17.50 meters = 689.98 inches and divide by 20.42 = 33.74 so I think we can say the temple was supposed to measure 43 Nippur Cubits (886.66 inches or 22.52 meters) by 33.75 Nippur Cubits ( 689.175 inches or 17.505 meters)

43 / 33.75 = 1.2741
4 / Pi = 1.2732

So one could assume that in Ancient Sumeria they had come up with a simple way of calling Pi ... it would be 43 / 33.75 or to make all things even they would have:

172 / 135 = Pi ratio

172 = 4
135 = Pi

I didn't know that ... did you ?

Well apparently there is more there than I thought ... this from Wiki ...

... The ziggurat was built by the Sumerian King Ur-Nammu and his son Shulgi in approximately the 21st century BCE (short chronology) during the Third Dynasty of Ur. The massive step pyramid measured 210 feet (64m) in length, 150 feet (46m) in width and over 100 feet (30m) in height.

and this ...



The ruins of the Great Ziggurat of Ur, taken in 2005 CE near Ali Air Base in Iraq.

The ziggurat was built by the Sumerian King Ur-Nammu and his son Shulgi in approximately the 21st century BCE (short chronology) during the Third Dynasty of Ur. The massive step pyramid measured 210 feet (64m) in length, 150 feet (46m) in width and over 100 feet (30m) in height. The height is speculative, as only the foundations of the Sumerian ziggurat have survived.

The ziggurat was a piece in a temple complex that served as an administrative center for the city, and which was a shrine of the moon god Nanna, the patron deity of Ur.

The construction of the ziggurat was finished in the 21st century BCE by King Shulgi, who, in order to win the allegiance of cities, proclaimed himself a god. During his 48-year reign, the city of Ur grew to be the capital of a state controlling much of Mesopotamia.

Now there are two main sekeds used at Giza and in Egypt: seked 5.5 AND seked 5

The Great Pyramid (to most) is seked 5.5 shown by The White Temple in Sumeria and by The Great Pyramid in Egypt

and now we have this ziggurat at 210 feet by 150 feet which reduces down to 7 by 5 or seked 5

seked 5 by the way is tan 1.4 and is 54.46 degrees and is one of the angles at the base of The Bent Pyramid.

Now who would have thought (well I have for a very long time) that the measurement ratios used in Egypt seemed to maybe have been used first in Mesopotamia namely at Sumer.

Now these measurements are only approximation as I hardly think the ancient Sumerians measured in feet but maybe inches 210 feet = 2520 inches which using The Egyptian Cubit of 20.62 inches = 122.2 and is basically showing us the 9 of 9*11 (9*122.2 = 10.99) while 150 feet = 1800 inches and = 87.30 cubits. If we use the Nippur Cubit of 20.42 inches we get 2520 / 20.42 = 123.4 Nippur Cubits while 150 feet = 1800 inches = 88.15 Nippur Cubits so it is for the moment difficult to be certain which cubit was used if any.

Now the height is tentatively given a value of 30 meters or 11.81.1 inches or 98.45 feet so the angle to the top becomes 1/2 of 210 which is 105 / 98.45 = 98.45 / 105 = 0.9374 and gives us an angle of 43.14 and incredibly close to the top portion of The Bent Pyramid and we also have 150 / 2 = 75 / 98.45 = 98.45 / 75 = 1.31233 and gives us an angle of 52.69

And in this image I posted above the ratio of the slope on the left or the stairway is in the ratio of ... well what else would it be but 1, 2 and the square root of 5 so that would mean that the present landing that has survived would be about 52.5 feet. Anybody want to bet against me ?

Here is a reconstruction.



However of all the measurements that could have been chosen it was 5 by 7 that was chosen here in Sumeria as well. Don't you ever wonder why ?

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[Don Barone]

There is really only one other surviving ziggurat that has withstood the ravishes of time. it was built ... well read here:

... It was built about 1250 BC by the king Untash-Napirisha, mainly to honor the great god Inshushinak. Its original name was Dur Untash, which means 'town of Untash', but it is unlikely that many people, besides priests and servants, ever lived there. The complex is protected by three concentric walls which define the main areas of the 'town'. The inner area is wholly taken up with a great ziggurat dedicated to the main god, which was built over an earlier square temple with storage rooms also built by Untash-Napirisha.[8] The middle area holds eleven temples for lesser gods. It is believed that twenty-two temples were originally planned, but the king died before they could be finished, and his successors discontinued the building work. In the outer area are royal palaces, a funerary palace containing five subterranean royal tombs. ...and what do you suppose the size of this ziggurat was ? Well before reading this try to guess ...Here are the measurements ...

The ziggurat originally measured 105.2 m on each side and about 53 m in height, in five levels, and was crowned with a temple. Mud brick was the basic material of the whole ensemble. The ziggurat was given a facing of baked bricks, a number of which have cuneiform characters giving the names of deities in the Elamite and Akkadian languages. Though the ziggurat now stands only 24.75 m high, less than half its estimated original height, its state of preservation is unsurpassed.

Now there are a zillion possible sizes and the inch is very small just take a look at your thumb and note the width of it. That is an inch so what do you think the odds would be of The Sumerian ziggurat matching a measurement at Giza ?  Pretty slim huh ? Well believe it or not if we take the measurement which they have given us of 105.2 meters we get 4141.73 inches and this equals the square root of 2 - 1 * 10,000 or 4142.14 within 1/2 an inch. If we allow a bit of an error in the measurement (and I have no idea who measured it or how accurate it is) and called it 105.5 we would get PRECISELY the measurement of The Pyramid of Menkarre of 4153.54 inches.  So although the ziggurats have been said to be temples and dedicated to the gods, I am starting to think, that like the pyramids of Giza and the others in and from The Old Kingdom, they were also used as measuring tools and bench marks.

I should think the if there was any mathematical logic to the ziggurats it would be logical that the angle meant was 45 degrees or producing the sq rt of 2. So suggesting 105.5 by 52.75 is not out of line.  However I should think that the height was probably 100 "cubits" be they Nippur of Egyptian cubits and thus when divided by 5 would yield 5 rises of 20 "cubits". this would yield either 20.42 x 100 or 2042 inches or 20.62 or 2062 inches or 51.87 meters or 52.375 meters .  If we use 105.2 as a base and 51.87 as a height we get and angle of 44.6 degrees and if we use 52.375 we get an angle of 44.88,

So we are left in a no man's land because we are unsure of the true distance of the base. Is it 4141.73 inches or the match for G3 of 4153. 54 inches

Here is a gigantic image of this ziggurat. :

regards

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[Don Barone]

Etemenanki (the "Tower of Babel")

Hi all here is anotehr tower I happened on. This is from the site:

The best description of the monumental tower can be found in a cuneiform tablet from Uruk, written in 229 BCE. It is a copy of an older text and is now in the Louvre in Paris. It states that the tower was made up of seven terraces and it gives the height of the seven stocks - 91 meters all in all. The ground floor measured 91 x 91 meters, and this is confirmed by archaeological excavations conducted by Robert Koldewey after 1913 (91,48 x 91,66 m). Large stairs were discovered at the south side of the building, where a triple gate connected the Etemenanki with the Esagila. A larger gate in the east connected the Etemenanki with the sacred procession road. Seen from the triple gate, the Etemenanki must have resembled a true "stairway to heaven", because the gates on the higher terraces seemed to be standing on top of each other.

Now I haven't gone too far into this yet but quickly noted, apparently that which no one else bothered to notice or calculate what the sizes were in imperial measurements and one that us Canadians and Americans can understand, Unbelievably 91.48 meters is equal to 3601.6 inches and only one single inch away from 3600 inches with 3600 being the number of years in a Sar. This is of course also 300 feet precisely. Now I am not saying they used the inch in Babylon but they sure as heck did not use the meter either. The perimeter thus then equals ... 14,400 and 1/10th of the infamous 144,000 ... here is the article and it makes for interesting reading.

So where is all this going ? Is becomes more and more obvious that the measurements of these structures were way more important than they have ever been given credit for and for this I fault, well who else but the alleged orthodox who the moment anyone mentions measure ... they pull up their nose, their tents and they hustle out of town.  Truly one of the most pathetic instances of revisionism I will ever witness.  Easy ignore the measurements so you don't have to reconsider your static theory of tombs. The laughable thing about all this is that they could still be tombs but monuments to mathematics and the planets also.

Description

The ruin of the Etemenanki: foundations in a wetland

Date ca. 575 BCE

Creator Marjon Verburg

Licence Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International

Linked Etemenanki (the "Tower of Babel")

Categories Babylonia

Tags Ziggurat

regards

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[Don Barone]

and reading further on another site we get this:

The founder of the Third Dynasty of the Sumerian Empire was Ur-Nammu, a great builder who surrounded Ur, his capitol, with a wall 26 feet high and 77 feet thick at the base. He erected a Ziggurat, a pyramid-like structure found throughout Mesapotamia, consisting of a series of terraces in set back stages. Most famous of all is the Ziggurat of Babylon, which became in Hebrew tradition the Tower of Babel. Describing the one built by Ur-Nammu, Mr. Woolley writes:

The tower measures a little more than 200 feet in length by 150 feet in width, and its original height was about 70 feet; the whole thing being one solid mass of brick work.... When we first started the work of drawing out the plan and elevations of the Ziggurat we were puzzled to find that the different measurements never seemed to agree; then it was discovered that in the whole building there is not a single straight line, and that what we had assumed to be such were in fact carefully calculated curves. The walls not only slope inwards, but the line from top to bottom has a distinct outward bend, so that sighting along it one can see only as far as the centre; the architect has aimed at an optical illusion which the Greek builders of the Parthenon at Athens were destined to achieve many centuries afterwards, the curves being so slight as not to be apparent, yet enough to give the eye an appearance of strength where a straight line might by contrast with the mass behind it have seemed in-curved and weak.

In other post I have shown The Great Pyramid being incorporated into The White Temple and now we have this ziggurat being designed in the precise proportions to The Pyramid of Khafre or G2 namely 200 = 4 and 150 = 3 with the diagonal of 250 or 5 and showing us the ratio of the simplest of the right angled triangles, the 3, 4 and 5 sided right angled triangle. Simply Amazing.

Using the height as 70 we get ratios for the angles of 70 / 100 (half base) or 0.7 and 75 (half other base) / 70 and almost equal to ratio of  sq rt of 3 to Phi (actually works out to 1.733)

Cheers
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