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Post by Don Barone on May 22, 2017 11:39:37 GMT -5
Having read Petrie's notes several times I think this is what he meant: Cheers looks like my diagram may be correct Sorry 82.48 is 4 cubits and the distance I project on my diagrams Don Barone
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Post by Don Barone on May 22, 2017 17:12:02 GMT -5
Hi all ... for those who will take the time to read this post you are in for a rare treat ... for thousands of years mankind has come up with various reason for the ascending passageways being where they are ... only recently have I started working on a logical reason for building these passageways where they are. My work on The Pyramid of Khafre was scoffed at when I suggested that the entry into the ground was at the 1 unit mark. Similar work at The Great Pyramid and The Bent Pyramid has again just recently been sent to the netherworld. Well be prepared you non believers who thought you had all the answers ... look and learn and maybe finally believe that the Ancients wasted no stone and did everything to a purpose. On a gut feeling I decided to superimpose The Bent Pyramid over the Great Pyramid and when I saw what it produced I was stunned. The clue was in finally seeing that from the edge of The Great Pyramid to the bend in the passageway was 360 cubits and so it was that I thought let's see what happens when I place The Bent Pyramid onto this 360 cubit base .. and as I say what I saw stunned me so since I had also done it on The Pyramid of Khafre I said might as well superimpose all three of them and the final results will stun you as well for there is a master plan, always has been. Those of you who continue to grab onto the crutch of co-incidence will be laughed at this time ... what it reveals when you superimpose these pyramids is ... well I am still shaking my head ... Enjoy the plan of the Master Builders. ... And please note the descending passageways in all three pyramids and try to convince anyone or yourself for that matter that it is all just a coincidence ... Enjoy Large and full image imageshack.com/a/img922/9748/eTyy8m.pngThree different pyramids, three different slopes, three different bases and yet the passageways appear to line up perfectly ... Large link imageshack.com/a/img922/2464/oSHong.png
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Post by Don Barone on May 22, 2017 18:04:11 GMT -5
I scaled this so it is a bit clearer ... Notice how the 43 degree 22 minute angle hits the end of the Queen's Chamber shaft. Unknown to a lot of people Avry was the first one to point this out many years ago and and it was quickly "borrowed" by Andrew Bayuk at Guardians as his own idea ... Anyway you can see how the diagram ties in nicely and how the passageways all line up .. who would have thought ? Cheers Don Barone
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Post by Don Barone on May 22, 2017 19:50:54 GMT -5
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Post by Don Barone on May 30, 2017 10:56:48 GMT -5
Sorry for bouncing around yet again but it is annoying that the figures for the pyramids are never given in cubits or such. It is argued because we don't know what how many inches were in any cubit that they cannot use them but by simply setting a norm, be it 20.62 or 20.625 inches then a base would be established and it would be easy to convert ... but anyway ... The height of The Step Pyramid at Sakkara is said to be ABOUT 60 meters. Now exactly what is that supposed to mean ? I have read anywhere form 60 to 60.18 meters. Anyway I was fooling around tryign to figure out the significance of the sizes at Sakkara as they are: So it would appear the actual height is anyone's guess. Well I decided to convert 60 meters into cubits and got this ... 60 x 39.37 *inches in a meter) = 2362.2 inches and using our Royal Cubit of 20.625 inches I got ... 2362.2 / 20.625 = 114.531. Now this was very close to a number I recognized and so I multiplied by Pi and got this ... 359.81. Now since we know and The Sumerians knew and maybe Imhotep knew the circle is divided into 360 degrees so dividing 360 by Pi gives us 114.59156 and if we allow this as representing "cubits" we get 114.59156 x 20.625 = 2363.451 inches and this gives us (divide by 39.37 inches per meter) 60.031653 cubits and definitely a possible contender. So this is what we get ... This shows us a 6 to 7 ratio ... But I will do it to scale as then it is clearer ... Still need to do a bit more work on the angles of each course and of course the why of it ... Cheers Don Barone
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Post by Charlotte on May 30, 2017 11:06:01 GMT -5
Looks good to me, who am "with no understanding" to borrow from the texts, to "the why of it", I would think 'because they could' teach the World great things.
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Post by Don Barone on May 30, 2017 13:14:28 GMT -5
Sorry for bouncing around yet again but it is annoying that the figures for the pyramids are never given in cubits or such. It is argued because we don't know what how many inches were in any cubit that they cannot use them but by simply setting a norm, be it 20.62 or 20.625 inches then a base would be established and it would be easy to convert ... but anyway ... The height of The Step Pyramid at Sakkara is said to be ABOUT 60 meters. Now exactly what is that supposed to mean ? I have read anywhere form 60 to 60.18 meters. Anyway I was fooling around tryign to figure out the significance of the sizes at Sakkara as they are: So it would appear the actual height is anyone's guess. Well I decided to convert 60 meters into cubits and got this ... 60 x 39.37 *inches in a meter) = 2362.2 inches and using our Royal Cubit of 20.625 inches I got ... 2362.2 / 20.625 = 114.531. Now this was very close to a number I recognized and so I multiplied by Pi and got this ... 359.81. Now since we know and The Sumerians knew and maybe Imhotep knew the circle is divided into 360 degrees so dividing 360 by Pi gives us 114.59156 and if we allow this as representing "cubits" we get 114.59156 x 20.625 = 2363.451 inches and this gives us (divide by 39.37 inches per meter) 60.031653 cubits and definitely a possible contender. So this is what we get ... This shows us a 6 to 7 ratio ... But I will do it to scale as then it is clearer ... Still need to do a bit more work on the angles of each course and of course the why of it ... Cheers Don Barone You know what .... why do I keep making this mistake at Sakkara ... I keep wanting to use 60 meters WHEN IT IT 62 !!!!!!! SIGH ... Maybe I should take a break ... db
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Post by Don Barone on Jun 6, 2017 15:54:46 GMT -5
Hi all I am trying to calculate the volume of The Step Pyramid at Sakkara and am finding the information needed quite lacking. I need to know the sizes of each of the six "mastabas" that were used. Here is the best image I have found (computer generated) to see what I need. Here is the image ... Question are the heights of each layer the same ? So in other words would each layer be 62 / 6 or 10.3333 meters high ? I never have known whether the angle given is to the center of the rectangle at the top or to the edges of it. Does anyone know what the size of this platform at the top is ? Does anyone other than me care ? Does anyone know or know of a resource that would give me this information. Thanks in advance ... Okay I calculated it myself. I think I did it correct: Height is 62.0 meters or 2440.94 inches or / 20.62 = 118.3773 cubits 118.3773 / 6 = 19.73 239.18 x 208.3444 x 19.73 = 983,181.68 199.3166 x 173.62033 x 19.73 = 682,764.82 159.45336 x 138.8962666 x 19.73 = 436,969.71 119.42804 x 104.1722 x 19.73 = 245,462.54 79.56472 x 69.448133 x 19.73 = 93,322.39 39.7014 x 34.724066 x 19.73 = 27,199.66 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Total volume of Step Pyramid is 2,468,900.80 cubic cubits=========================================================== 983,181.68 / 682,764.82 = 1.4400005 or 1.44000000 983,181.68 / 436,969.71 = 2.2499996 or 2.25000000 983,181.68 / 245,462.54 = 4.0054245 or 4.0000000 983,181.68 / 93,322.390 = 10.535324 or 10.535353 983,181.68 / 27,199.660 = 36.146837 or ======================================== 436,969.71 / 682,764.82 = 0.64000000000 More after beer
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Post by Don Barone on Jun 6, 2017 17:25:08 GMT -5
Okay got a bit of time ... I have always wondered how they calculate the angle at The Step Pyramid. Is it taken to a phantom projected point above the pyramid or an edge of the platform I never really knew ... so I went to try to find out ... Here is an image I came up with based on earlier posts on this thread .. Just realized that if we allow height to equal 118.7959 cubits the tan of the angle will equal the height ... Tan of 49.91 is 1.187959 ... Hmmmm Well nowhere is the slope guessed at but they do give the slope of the slanted lines you can see in my diagram as 72 degrees. As you can see for one of the sides I have the angle at 49.91 degrees. a seemingly unimportant number until we read this about an earlier mega mastaba that was built prior to even this and on which The Step Pyramid is said to be based ... Here is the mastaba and it is built (can't find the article now but will) that it was based on a 49 degree angle which checks with what we have calculated for The Step Pyramid. Many other pictures hereSo it appears that 49 degrees was the angle of choice ... we will have to try to figure out why.
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Post by Don Barone on Jun 6, 2017 21:45:43 GMT -5
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Post by Don Barone on Sept 21, 2017 19:35:37 GMT -5
Height of The Step Pyramid
Posted by: Don Barone (IP Logged)
Date: September 20, 2017 07:32PM
From a website ... "Djoser and Imhotep decided to build an enormous mastaba of stone, but at some point during construction they built another mastaba on top of the first—and then another on top of the second. They continued this process until they had enlarged the structure into the world’s first pyramid. It was what we now call a “step pyramid,” consisting of six terraces some 200 feet (60 m) high.
If this is correct we have a height of approx. 60 x 39.37 or about 2362.20 inches, If we use 200 feet we get 200 x 12 = 2400 inches a difference of over 3 feet (from this website ... [discoveringegypt.com])
At Wiki we are told 62 meters or 2440.9 inches and 203 feet or 2436.00 inches.
This gives us in cubits if we allow 20.62 inches per cubit of 118.38 or 118.14
Now this to me seems a strange number of cubits to design a pyramid to. One should think they would have picked an even value such as 115 or 120 cubits. 120 would give us 6 tiers of 20 cubits and match I believe the height of the perimeter wall which is 10.5 meters or 20 cubits ! One could speculate that the height only represents 6 of 7 layers with the apex being the top of the 7th so we could speculate that what the true height was meant to be was (118.38 / 6) x 7 = 138.11 or if we use 118.14 / 6 x 7 to get 137.83 neither of which seem to be a number we can relate to. Using 120 for the six tiers this would give us 140 for the apex and equal nicely one half the height of The Great pyramid !
Has anyone written or speculated on what the significance of the height of The Step Pyramid might relate to ?
Re: Height of The Step Pyramid
Posted by: Don Barone (IP Logged)
Date: September 20, 2017 08:04PM
Doing further checking it appears that 60 meters seems to be correct ...
The Step Pyramid
Djoser’s Step Pyramid was originally about 197 feet tall, and like the rest of the structures in the complex, is made of stone brick cut to approximate the size and scale of mudbrick. [emhotep.net]
and The pyramid itself stands slightly off-center in the complex toward the south. It reaches sixty meters (167 feet - sic) in height in six layers and is the only Egyptian pyramid that has a rectangular base rather than a square base. Lauer interpreted the construction history as a series of additions. ...
Now 60 meters equals 2362.20 inches which equals 114.56 cubits using 20.62 inches per cubit.
Now this is a fascinating number as, if we continue with a circular theme at Sakkara, this number, 114.56, can be said to equal the diameter of a circle of 360 units. (actual = 359.90). To get 360 exactly we would need height to equal 114.59 cubits of 20.62 inches or 2362.88 inches or 60.017 meters or 196.91 feet.
So was the circle incorporated at Sakkara other than in the enclosure wall. The evidence would seem to make it a very good possibility.
Continuing our fresh look at The Step Pyramid at Sakkara we take note of the base of this pyramid. It is the only rectangular pyramid base ever built and ranges in size on various websites from 125 by 109 to 121 x 109 (Lehner) . Now I had not noticed this before but if use what Lehner proposes we get 121 + 109 or 230 meters for half the perimeter of the base. And the base of The Great Pyramid (using 9068.9968 inches) gives us 230.35 meters. So it appears that MAYBE the perimeter of The Step Pyramid [(109 + 121) x 2 or 460 meters] is ONE HALF THE PERIMETER OF THE GREAT PYRAMID (921.41 meters) ! However what is also interesting is that MAYBE the base of The Step Pyramid is in the ratio of 10 by 9 as shown by (109/9) x 10 = 121.11 ...
So if we allow base to equal 121.238 by 109.114 we would get an exact match to one half of The Great Pyramid and maintain our 10 to 9 ratio ... This gives us in cubits as 4773.15 inches or 231.48 + 4295.83 inches or 208.33 cubits which totals 439.813 and precisely equals the perfect base needed to give us The Pi Angle at Giza.
So does The Step Pyramid at Sakkara show us the upcoming measurements to be used at Giza ? Do the supposed circular measurements which seem to be found at Giza and specifically The Great Pyramid find their origin and source at Sakkara and The Step Pyramid and the enclosure wall ?
Hi all ... while on the surface a discussion ensued regarding the possibility that the enclosure around The Step Pyramid might be in some way related to the circle and may even be trying to show us Pi. Such a possibility was even considered a possibility by Dr. David Lightbody who although did not claim that our present known value of Pi was being shown but perhaps another form, most likely 22/7 was indeed being shown by the enclosure. He cites as a possible example 7 palms (1 cubit) by 7 palms give us a diagonal or double-remen of ALMOST 10 (9.8995) WHILE THE CORRESPONDING QUARTER CIRLCE WOULD GIVE US A VALUE OF ALMOST 11 (10.9956)
As usual however I seek perfection and although it was a start, using 22/7 or as I was taught in public school Greek Pi, was not quite good enough for me and that's where it was left as Dr. Lightbody chose to not discuss any further ideas I had with me.
So back to Sakkara I went and to The Step Pyramid. I thought to myself gee I had not come across anything that told us how high this pyramid was IN CUBITS ! interesting the values varied from 60 to 62 meters with the majority and thus the consensus agreeing it was 60 meters and about 197 feet. But nowhere was the number of cubits listed so I decided to calculate it myself. Using basic math we find that 60 meters = 2362.2047 inches and gives us, using 20.62 inches per cubit, 114.56 cubits. Now no one who has crunched as many and tortured as many numbers as I have could miss that this number was basically showing us the diameter of a circle with circumference of 360 cubits. The exact figure would be 114.59 (within 3/100ths of a cubit or about 1 inch. I found this quite fascinating and wondered if we could tie this into "The Pi Enclosure Wall" at all. Before this however this ensued ...
Now what is going to be shown next is extremely interesting. A number arrived at at two totally different dates separated by months and two completely different methodology has yield THE EXACT SAME RESULT DOWN TO THE 1/100TH OF A METER. Here is a link to a forum of mine where I discuss Sakkara ... ahatmose2002.proboards.com/thread/668/sakkara-visited-light-aquired-wisdom
In this discussion I show how everything appeared to be related very nicely to the perimeter but the main point for now I am emphasizing is that after all my calculations I had assigned a value of 208.34 cubits to the short side of The Step Pyramid. Here is the diagram ...
And now since the short side of 208.34 is equal to 3 in the overall scale and ratio of this grand design the long side works out very nicely and beautifully to 208.33/9 x 10 or 231.48 and if 208.33 is equal to 3 then 231.48 equals 3 / 9 x 10 OR 3.333333333
So the bases of The Step Pyramid are 3 and 3.333333 ... most ingenious but would we expect anything less from Imhotep ?
Best Regards Don Barone
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Post by Don Barone on Sept 21, 2017 19:46:09 GMT -5
But it gets much better as we dig deeper ... Base of The Step Pyramid is 208.34 by 231.48 and thus the angles formed are ... tan 208.34 / 231.48 = 0.9000345 or 41.988 degrees while reciprocal angle is 90 - 41.988 = 48.0117 but this is beyond amazing for when we look at The Great Pyramid on edge this is what is revealed to us ... So it now appears that Imhotep used the same ratios and plans at Sakkara that he eventually used at Giza ... very interesting indeed ! Regards Don Barone
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Post by Don Barone on Sept 24, 2017 14:37:17 GMT -5
Sigh that's sometimes the trouble when no one bothers to check my work ... 392.82 / 208.34 IS NOT IN A RATIO OF 5 TO 3 !!! How I got that I will never know for obviously 392.82 / 208.34 = 1.8855 and not 1.666666. So here is the revised diagram ... the rest I believe is correct ... Regards Don Barone
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