Post by Don Barone on Nov 13, 2009 21:02:29 GMT -5
Consulting NASA: Getting a professional opinion on my gravity discoveries:
Copy of letters so far exchanged discussing my gravity discoveries ...
Hi Dave ...
It is so great of you to respond and give me your opinion. I honestly can't thank you enough.
I have used 20.Phi or 20.618033988 inches ... as my cubit and if we divide by 28 we get ... 0.73635835674 of an inch or 1.87 cm
I have used for gravity on Mars 3.74067 m/sec 2 (3.74066816382) which is, from my research, more than acceptable for the force of gravity on Mars.
hypertextbook.com/facts/2004/JahshirahRossi.shtml
100 cubits = 3.5714285 cubits
1 cubit = 20.Phi or (sine of 18 degrees x 2) + 20 or 20.618033988749894848204586834366
3.5714285 x 20.618033988749894848204586834366 = 73.63583567411 inches
73.63583567411 / 39.3700787 (inches in a meter - old way) and we get 1.8703502280300317153875259948606
1.8703502280300317153875259948606 x 2 = 3.7407004561 m/sec 2
But it gets much more interesting than that ...
Mercury has the same gravity as Mars ... Now isn't that just great Mars and Mercury are gravitational twin brothers !
Teeedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee ?
But again it gets better still.
On The Giza Plateau I have "guessed" that the gravitational force is 9.79317 m/sec sqrd - I arrived at this number partly from insite and partly from knowing that on Earth the gravitational force can be somewhere between 9.78 and 9.81 and changes according to latitude and away from the equator and using a very rough formula I devised I managed to get the figure I have of 9.79317 on The Giza Plateau and is of course where The Great Pyramid is and of course the other two are as well.
Now to most people (probably including you) this is a meaningless number but it is profound beyond measure for within this number is perhaps the beginning of an understanding of our solar system that up to this point has been ignored or maybe simply forgotten. If we do the math on this we find the following:
9.79317 m/s²
9.79317 m/s² = 385.56481012479 inches ( 9.79317 x 39.3700787)
385.56481012479 / 20.618033988749894848204586834366 = 18.700367374269103413920633926052
18.700367374269103413920633926052 / 2 = 9.3501836871345517069603169630261 cubits in one second.
This gives us. and I do hope you can see the unfolding beauty of this ... we get ---
9.3501836871345517069603169630261 x 28 (28 digits per cubit) and we get 261.8034 or
That's right Dave we get Phi squared x 100 digits.
So as a recap on Mars and Mercury an object falls 100 Egyptian digits in one second and on Earth an object falls 261.80339887498948482045868343656 Ancient Egyptian digits in one second. Now what do you think the odds of that are ?
And before you think me quite mad (and there is still more to tell and explain to you) I would like you to have a look at this image which might explain how it is all possible ... donbarone.selfip.net/final_merc_venus_Earth_Mars_ratio_08_720.png
Please let me know what you think.
Cheers and best regards
Don Barone
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Williams
To: TheBaronies
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Gravity on Jupiter
Don,
No, I didn't know that, so I take it an ancient Egyptian digit is about 1.86 cm, or about 0.74 inches?
Dave
On Nov 11, 2009, at 8:11 AM, TheBaronies wrote:
Hi Dave and thanks again for the response.
To get us started did you know that [somewhere] on Mars an object falls precisely at 100 ancient Egyptian digits in one second ?
Cheers
Don Barone
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Williams
To: TheBaronies
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Gravity on Jupiter
Don,
I'll be happy to take a look at it, but the problem with assigning a precise gravity to a gas giant planet is that you can get almost any answer you want just by going deeper into the atmosphere. The 1 bar reference used is very artificial, it is just used to match the Earth's sea level pressure. And of course even on Earth the gravity varies from the equator to the poles, so these numbers are not really precise in that way.
Dave
On Nov 2, 2009, at 11:51 AM, TheBaronies wrote:
Dear Dr. Williams
Thank you ever so much for this information. .
I am presently working on a theory of gravity ( I know pretty heavy for a grade 12 drop-out - I am 59 ) and in order for it to work much better I need the gravity on Jupiter to equal 23.118 . Now that you have allowed the possibility that that measurement could be correct somewhere on Jupiter I am prepared to post it in a little more detail. Would you be interested in reading it as a sort of critique. I would very much appreciate getting a professional opinion on my thoughts.
It is not so much a theory of what gravity is but how and why gravity follows the distances it does and who might have known this in the past.
yours truly
Don Barone
11:49 AM EST November 2nd, 2009
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Williams
To: TheBaronies
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Gravity on Jupiter
Don,
The value for gravity is the actual value of gravity alone as measured at the surface, basically just the standard GM/r**2. The acceleration includes the fact that Jupiter is rotating, which adds an outward centripetal force which counteracts gravity slightly and makes something at the Jupiter equator rotating with the planet "weigh" slightly less. We have the same thing on Earth, but the effect is much smaller because Jupiter spins so much faster and is so much larger.
Dave
On Nov 1, 2009, at 10:52 PM, TheBaronies wrote:
Dear Sir:
On a website on Jupiter from NASA I found the following data. nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/jupiterfact.html
Gravity (eq., 1 bar) (m/s2) 24.79
Acceleration (eq., 1 bar) (m/s2) 23.12
I was wondering if you could explain the difference to me between them and which is the correct one I can use for gravity on Jupiter.
Is 23.12 correct ? What does this 23.12 refer to ?
Yours sincerely
Don Barone
November 1st, 2009 @ 10:51 EST
Dave Williams, Code 690.1
National Space Science Data Center
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Greenbelt, MD 20771
(301) 286-1258
dave.williams@nasa.gov
Dave Williams, Code 690.1
National Space Science Data Center
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Greenbelt, MD 20771
(301) 286-1258
dave.williams@nasa.gov
Dave Williams, Code 690.1
National Space Science Data Center
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Greenbelt, MD 20771
(301) 286-1258
dave.williams@nasa.gov
Copy of letters so far exchanged discussing my gravity discoveries ...
Hi Dave ...
It is so great of you to respond and give me your opinion. I honestly can't thank you enough.
I have used 20.Phi or 20.618033988 inches ... as my cubit and if we divide by 28 we get ... 0.73635835674 of an inch or 1.87 cm
I have used for gravity on Mars 3.74067 m/sec 2 (3.74066816382) which is, from my research, more than acceptable for the force of gravity on Mars.
hypertextbook.com/facts/2004/JahshirahRossi.shtml
100 cubits = 3.5714285 cubits
1 cubit = 20.Phi or (sine of 18 degrees x 2) + 20 or 20.618033988749894848204586834366
3.5714285 x 20.618033988749894848204586834366 = 73.63583567411 inches
73.63583567411 / 39.3700787 (inches in a meter - old way) and we get 1.8703502280300317153875259948606
1.8703502280300317153875259948606 x 2 = 3.7407004561 m/sec 2
But it gets much more interesting than that ...
Mercury has the same gravity as Mars ... Now isn't that just great Mars and Mercury are gravitational twin brothers !
Teeedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee ?
But again it gets better still.
On The Giza Plateau I have "guessed" that the gravitational force is 9.79317 m/sec sqrd - I arrived at this number partly from insite and partly from knowing that on Earth the gravitational force can be somewhere between 9.78 and 9.81 and changes according to latitude and away from the equator and using a very rough formula I devised I managed to get the figure I have of 9.79317 on The Giza Plateau and is of course where The Great Pyramid is and of course the other two are as well.
Now to most people (probably including you) this is a meaningless number but it is profound beyond measure for within this number is perhaps the beginning of an understanding of our solar system that up to this point has been ignored or maybe simply forgotten. If we do the math on this we find the following:
9.79317 m/s²
9.79317 m/s² = 385.56481012479 inches ( 9.79317 x 39.3700787)
385.56481012479 / 20.618033988749894848204586834366 = 18.700367374269103413920633926052
18.700367374269103413920633926052 / 2 = 9.3501836871345517069603169630261 cubits in one second.
This gives us. and I do hope you can see the unfolding beauty of this ... we get ---
9.3501836871345517069603169630261 x 28 (28 digits per cubit) and we get 261.8034 or
That's right Dave we get Phi squared x 100 digits.
So as a recap on Mars and Mercury an object falls 100 Egyptian digits in one second and on Earth an object falls 261.80339887498948482045868343656 Ancient Egyptian digits in one second. Now what do you think the odds of that are ?
And before you think me quite mad (and there is still more to tell and explain to you) I would like you to have a look at this image which might explain how it is all possible ... donbarone.selfip.net/final_merc_venus_Earth_Mars_ratio_08_720.png
Please let me know what you think.
Cheers and best regards
Don Barone
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Williams
To: TheBaronies
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Gravity on Jupiter
Don,
No, I didn't know that, so I take it an ancient Egyptian digit is about 1.86 cm, or about 0.74 inches?
Dave
On Nov 11, 2009, at 8:11 AM, TheBaronies wrote:
Hi Dave and thanks again for the response.
To get us started did you know that [somewhere] on Mars an object falls precisely at 100 ancient Egyptian digits in one second ?
Cheers
Don Barone
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Williams
To: TheBaronies
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Gravity on Jupiter
Don,
I'll be happy to take a look at it, but the problem with assigning a precise gravity to a gas giant planet is that you can get almost any answer you want just by going deeper into the atmosphere. The 1 bar reference used is very artificial, it is just used to match the Earth's sea level pressure. And of course even on Earth the gravity varies from the equator to the poles, so these numbers are not really precise in that way.
Dave
On Nov 2, 2009, at 11:51 AM, TheBaronies wrote:
Dear Dr. Williams
Thank you ever so much for this information. .
I am presently working on a theory of gravity ( I know pretty heavy for a grade 12 drop-out - I am 59 ) and in order for it to work much better I need the gravity on Jupiter to equal 23.118 . Now that you have allowed the possibility that that measurement could be correct somewhere on Jupiter I am prepared to post it in a little more detail. Would you be interested in reading it as a sort of critique. I would very much appreciate getting a professional opinion on my thoughts.
It is not so much a theory of what gravity is but how and why gravity follows the distances it does and who might have known this in the past.
yours truly
Don Barone
11:49 AM EST November 2nd, 2009
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Williams
To: TheBaronies
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Gravity on Jupiter
Don,
The value for gravity is the actual value of gravity alone as measured at the surface, basically just the standard GM/r**2. The acceleration includes the fact that Jupiter is rotating, which adds an outward centripetal force which counteracts gravity slightly and makes something at the Jupiter equator rotating with the planet "weigh" slightly less. We have the same thing on Earth, but the effect is much smaller because Jupiter spins so much faster and is so much larger.
Dave
On Nov 1, 2009, at 10:52 PM, TheBaronies wrote:
Dear Sir:
On a website on Jupiter from NASA I found the following data. nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/jupiterfact.html
Gravity (eq., 1 bar) (m/s2) 24.79
Acceleration (eq., 1 bar) (m/s2) 23.12
I was wondering if you could explain the difference to me between them and which is the correct one I can use for gravity on Jupiter.
Is 23.12 correct ? What does this 23.12 refer to ?
Yours sincerely
Don Barone
November 1st, 2009 @ 10:51 EST
Dave Williams, Code 690.1
National Space Science Data Center
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Greenbelt, MD 20771
(301) 286-1258
dave.williams@nasa.gov
Dave Williams, Code 690.1
National Space Science Data Center
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Greenbelt, MD 20771
(301) 286-1258
dave.williams@nasa.gov
Dave Williams, Code 690.1
National Space Science Data Center
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Greenbelt, MD 20771
(301) 286-1258
dave.williams@nasa.gov