Cain or Abel - Jehovah or Satan: Which side R U on

[Don Barone]

Hi all ..

In a suppossed "novel" I am reading who is the "right" god is being called into question by analyzing the original "murder" of Abel by Cain.

The evidence as laid out in the "story" is this:

A passage from The Armageddon Conspiracy by Mike Hockney alleged to be a true story with hidden codes in it. It is just very weird that you mention Cain and Abel and I come across this passage:

... And Abel was a shepherd, and Cain a husbandman. And it came to pass after many days, that Cain offered, of the fruits of the earth, gifts to the Lord. Abel also offered of the firstlings of his flock, and of their fat: and the Lord had respect to Abel, and to his offerings. But to Cain and his offerings he had no respect: and Cain was exceedingly angry, and his countenance fell. ...

Now I ask you what sort of "God" would choose slaughter and blood letting over the fruits of the Earth itself ? ...

However I also have always asked why would God be offended by a tiller of the soil ? Why would he be more inclined to be thankful for seeing one of his creations mutilated and killed. It is a vexing problem indeed. However there are other issues as well. Cain is singled out as the first murderer but is this true ? Here is the "true story" as suggested by the "novel" ...

... 'But Cain killed Abel.'

'It was an act of self-defence. When Abel saw how contemptuous Jehovah was of Cain, he took that as a sign that an even better sacrifice to Jehovah was Cain himself. He stalked Cain as if he were the prey he hunted every day, and attacked him in a small glade. Cain managed to overpower him and use Abel's weapon against him. No murder was done. The only person with murder in mind was Abel, Jehovah's beloved.' Lucy was unsure how to respond. The story had a chilling logic. She'd always found the tale of Cain and Abel problematic. Why would God despise the fruits of the earth? Why would he prefer animal sacrifice? It was stated as a simple fact, one not apparently in need of any explanation. ...

Well I for one would indeed like some answers. And while we are on the subject didn't this same God take great delight in murdering hundreds of thousands of innocents in The Bible ?

Yes indeed one must ask the question: who is really "God" and who is really "Satan" !

And finally does the Illuminati worship "God" or "Satan" ? And tragically one must ask the exact same question of The Roman Catholic Church and Israel as well.

When it comes time to choose a side we must be prepared to choose wisely and more importantly CORRECTLY !

How would you choose ?

Who were right ... the Gnostics or The Catholics ? ... tough choices and according to my calender only 4 years left to find the answers.

Don Barone

[spaceyhippie]

obvious to me as a child, and then rewritten by more knowledgeable adults
the devil is the guy who causes wars, burns n tortures
also, anything to do with mindfuckery

[Charlotte]

I have to agree with spaceyhippie. The Illuminate and Gnostics know that god and satan, good and evil are 2 sides of the same coin and worshiped accordingly.

"It was an act of self-defence." I have not read any of it, but the whole paragraph sounds as if Cain and Abel were actual persons as in literalism.

"The only person with murder in mind was Abel, beloved of Jehovah." The "beloved" ones in such stories are the counterparts of the lover. Why would the "beloved" of Jehovah - why would he love somebody with "murder" on her mind? All this has to be read esoterically.

Choosing sides and CORRECTLY when Armageedon happens in four years?

I choose Life

Charlotte

[Charlotte]

Hi Don and All,

To make sense, the story of Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, is the story of the beginning of this, our humanity, and it's evolution, or devolution from th Garden of Eden, a pristine state, to where we are now.

Does Mike Hockney make a connection between our beginning and our end in four years, so to speak? And can you give some of the "hidden codes" in the novel, according to Mr. Hockney?

A great day to all

Charlotte

[Don Barone]

Good morning Charlotte ...

I am about half way through the story of The Armageddon Conspiracy and have stopped reading for the time being as I like discussing the issues as they are brought up in the book.

As to any hidden codes ... for the time being none have shown themselves to me but I really haven' t looked too deep into the various happennings in the book yet to find a universal meaning.

I have had some very interesting e-mails from Mike Hockney (the author) and I will write to him to see if he will allow me to let you read them. They are most interesting to say the least.


Best
Don Barone

[Charlotte]

Good Day, Don,

That would be interesting, and thanks.

Love

Charlotte

[spitfire888]

Aug 4, 2008 11:08:13 GMT -5 Don Barone said:

Hi all ..

In a suppossed "novel" I am reading who is the "right" god is being called into question by analyzing the original "murder" of Abel by Cain.

The evidence as laid out in the "story" is this:

A passage from The Armageddon Conspiracy by Mike Hockney alleged to be a true story with hidden codes in it. It is just very weird that you mention Cain and Abel and I come across this passage:

... And Abel was a shepherd, and Cain a husbandman. And it came to pass after many days, that Cain offered, of the fruits of the earth, gifts to the Lord. Abel also offered of the firstlings of his flock, and of their fat: and the Lord had respect to Abel, and to his offerings. But to Cain and his offerings he had no respect: and Cain was exceedingly angry, and his countenance fell. ...

Now I ask you what sort of "God" would choose slaughter and blood letting over the fruits of the Earth itself ? ...

However I also have always asked why would God be offended by a tiller of the soil ? Why would he be more inclined to be thankful for seeing one of his creations mutilated and killed. It is a vexing problem indeed. However there are other issues as well. Cain is singled out as the first murderer but is this true ? Here is the "true story" as suggested by the "novel" ...

... 'But Cain killed Abel.'

'It was an act of self-defence. When Abel saw how contemptuous Jehovah was of Cain, he took that as a sign that an even better sacrifice to Jehovah was Cain himself. He stalked Cain as if he were the prey he hunted every day, and attacked him in a small glade. Cain managed to overpower him and use Abel's weapon against him. No murder was done. The only person with murder in mind was Abel, Jehovah's beloved.' Lucy was unsure how to respond. The story had a chilling logic. She'd always found the tale of Cain and Abel problematic. Why would God despise the fruits of the earth? Why would he prefer animal sacrifice? It was stated as a simple fact, one not apparently in need of any explanation. ...

Well I for one would indeed like some answers. And while we are on the subject didn't this same God take great delight in murdering hundreds of thousands of innocents in The Bible ?

Yes indeed one must ask the question: who is really "God" and who is really "Satan" !

And finally does the Illuminati worship "God" or "Satan" ? And tragically one must ask the exact same question of The Roman Catholic Church and Israel as well.

When it comes time to choose a side we must be prepared to choose wisely and more importantly CORRECTLY !

How would you choose ?

Who were right ... the Gnostics or The Catholics ? ... tough choices and according to my calender only 4 years left to find the answers.

Don Barone

Bad interpretation by Mike Hockney indeed, I'm calling BS here:

The little lamb that able used a a sacrifice is symbolic to what Jesus would have to do many years later; just as the story of Abraham and Isaac yet the Angel caught his arm.  The trouble with Satan worshipers is they think he is God well that is one step from hell my friends and believe me its not a party.

Let me try to put into context how much greater God is then Satan, basically Satan on the grand scheme of things as time passes eons from now will represent one nanosecond at best yet God is the infinite eternal Almighty and he is out of time whom has always existed ---> ∞.

And finally for all Satan worshipers here is your hero's life in a nut shell:

On a Tiny Trail (The Devil)



Everything within Satan’s grasp begins on a tiny trail likened to the path of a army ant. Likewise the engineer or the ant who strives for anything; the end result is questionable. For, the path is paved with the sticky steps of one who was there, that being God. Furthermore, the diamond pinnacle which Satan seeks, suggests a desire for the essence of promotion and its mystery ^^*^^; as a tool utilized for self worship. Yet the position which is established and ordained follows the ambiguity of the holder. Additionally, Satan’s witless endeavor for worship must be from inept logic; as compared to the worker who proceeds with deception for gain. Thus, Satan’s mental absurdity and his folly towards the pursuit of an unattainable level or power status can be viewed as an oxymoron. Moreover, trying to acquire the essence of power and praise like God is bizarre; because, he was not derived from God. Paradoxically it’s like the clay directing the potter to smooth out an edge! And so even the ant follows the sticky path, so as not to become lost or burned. It would seem fundamentality anyway, that a mere ant has greater faculties than Satan, because it stays the course. Finally, self promotion against proper authority is likened to ignorance or stupidity; and though the self proclaimed ant (i.e. Satan) crawls along the trail into a fire pit will find the weight equal to its mind, this path of eternal chaos occurs when the sticky path is abandoned.