unabomber !!!

[overklokan]

seems like some people already decided to go on stike againts
system ... i just found this site, recommended read for all ;o=

www.unabombertrial.com/manifesto/

story is huge but i linked just to part of site that is holding manifesto
of group of people that went radical (too much or too less ?) in
their fight for human freedom and better future for us all ...

EDIT: much of the writings here reminds me of great book i reed
named "Brave New World Revisited" by ALDOUX HUXLEY (recommended reading too)

[Charlotte]

Hi overklokan,

Nice crop wheel in motion?

Interesting site, insightful, and yes, time consuming.

Feelings of Inferiority

"Many leftists have an intense identification with the problems of groups that have an image of being weak (women), defeated (American Indians), repellent (homosexuals) or otherwise inferior. The leftists themselves feel that these groups are inferior. They would never admit to themselves that they have such feelings, but it is precisely because they do see these groups inferior that they identify with their problems."

If this "hypersensitivity" to Gurdijeff's "chief feature" could be explained staight out to people as their own shadow projection as is the habit with many Germans unwilling to beat around the bush, it would help some and make enemies of others, but the latter just might think about it. By extension, one of my favorite exclamations by Dr. Phil is: "when are you going to drop this crap." Shocking people with a smile prevents many "from resuming theit hibernation." G

" (We do not mean to suggest that women, Indians, etc. ARE inferior; we are only making a point about leftist psychology."

As far as I'm concerned, Indians are superior, women don't need feminists to urge them to become like men, we are different from men thank God, lest humanity would have no balance at all. Homosexuals are of a different mettle. To each their own, it is their blatent flaunting which turns me off.

All in all, we're in a pickle if there ever was one, and from the looks of things only a conscious shock of world-wide magnitude will remedy the state we're in. We are beyond of talking our way to sanity, at least I can't see it.

Charlotte

PS Please forgive me, your "name" brings a smile and reminds me of a "cloaking device" such as they use in Startreck, which in "real" life" is not really a device but a method of making oneself invisible by withholding all vibrations as in: you cannot observe me therefore I don't exist, as opposed to "to be is to be perceived" by the English Philosopher Bishop Berkeley hundred years before the event of quantum theory.

[overklokan]

its cropcircle yes ... as some claim its first ever (found recently) to
have depth (3D) = it looks like 3 series of 4 buildings with sun (or
more like explosion to me) in the center ... since most cropcircles are
not explained (nor meaning nor how they are created) this one is
even more unique cause it represents something we think its so
obvious and dont need further explanation (or we are wrong ???)

conscious shock of world-manitude hmmm ... coming of the 12th
planet with race that made us humans as their slaves here ???
is that good enought ??? or large scale catastrophy that would
not only change our thinking but way those few that will survive
live ??? yes, it must be something REALLY NASTY, so to say, to wake
us all from this "close-to-matrix" reality ;o~

[Charlotte]

Seems the cropcircles are getting more sophisticated. 3D I saw, 3 series of 4 buildings I didn't see. It looked to me like uneven "arms" emanating from a round center which then "bend" to give themselves and the center stability. When something explodes on planet Earth the pieces fall to the ground; when something explodes in spac, the pieces cannot keep going "straight outward" forever, they either have to curve in to stabelize themselves, and that's why things "spin", or, as Gurdjieff explaines it in

The Law of Falling

"Everything existing in the World fall to the bottom. And the bottom for any part of the Universe is the nearest "stability," and this said "stability" is the place ot the point upon which all the lines of force arriving from all directions converge."

Both these theories make sence to me.

We don't know how cropcircles are created, nor their meaning, but you say that this circle "is even more unique cause it represents something we think is so obvious and don't need further explanation."

Do you mean it looks like our spiral galaxy with its shining center? Maybe you could elaborate because its meaning is not at all obvious to me Since I don't know any better, I think cropcircles are created by the ever increasing number of people waking up, that is to say, the stuff in our unconscious is brought to our waking consciousness, and things from our collective memory are impressing themselves in the form of symbols on terra firma. I would greatly appreciate the "over" or upper ringing of bells for me to have an inkling. The unconscious and subconscious, individually and collectively, becoming conscious is the thing.

The "coming of the 12th planet with race that made us humans as their slaves here??? is that good enough "

No, that is a loaded question and eons of development are in it. I don't believe that some race from some planet made us their slaves, as commenly understood, rather, the natural "food chain" of lower life forms being absorbed by the next higher, for the purpose of evolving "upward" makes more semse to me.

I presume you mean Sitchin's 12th planet "Nibiru", of which I know practically nothing except, that the Sumerians are said to have known about it 6000 years ago, that it had something to do with the Great Flood, and that it comes around to our corner of the world every once in a blue Moon, so to speak. So maybe, yes, considering the state of affairs of us three-brained beings on this planet, overweening "wickedness" always the cause for a given humanity's destruction, the time is at hand again.

This 12th planet "Nibiru" reminds me very much of Gurdjieff's planet "Anulios." As said before, the enormous impact of the comet "Kondor" hitting the Earth send two fragments into space. One was the Moon, the other and smaller "Anolios."

"The broken-off fragments of the planet Earth had lost the momentum they received from the shock before they had reached the limit of that part of space which is the sphere of this planet, and hence, according to the "Law of Falling," these fragments had began to fall back towards their fundamental piece.

"But they could no longer fall upon their fundamental piece, because in the meantime they had come under the cosmic law called "Law of Catching -Up" and were entirely subject to its influece, and therefore now make regular elliptic orbits around their fundamental piece, just as the fundamental piece, namely the planet Earth, made and makes its orbit around its sun "Ors."

"And so it will always continue, unless some new unforseen catastrophe on a large scale changes it in one way or another." Hallo!

However, the "harmonious general-system movement" of "Ors" survived, and "its peaceful existence was soon re-established." Even so, the "Most High Commission", having "calculated all the facts", and considered what "might happen in the future, came to the conclusion that although the fragments of the planet Earth might maintain themselves for the time being in their existing positions, yet in view of a certain so-called 'Tasartoonarian-displacement" arghhhconjectured by the commission, they might in the future leave their position and bring about a large number of irreparable calamities both for this system 'Ors' and for another neighboring solar system."

So here again a future catastrophe is intimated, on the other hand, to avoid it, the "Most High Commission" has "taken the best measure" given, namely, that the Earth should maintain the fragments by constantly sending sacred vibrations to them.

The fragment Moon and Anulios were called different names at different times, the people of a continent on the planet Atlantis, which perished, still knew the second fragment and called it Anulios. We don't know of this peculiar planet, former fragment of our Earth, mainly "because its comparatively small size and the remotness of the place of its movement make it quite invisible" to us, and also because we didn't have a 'grandmother' to tell us about it.

So does Sitchin's 12th planet, orbiting in a way out space, come around every 10 or 12000 years? If so, we would have a story here.

If by chance we should see this little planet "through (our) good, but nevertheless child's toy" we call a telescope, we wouldn't mind it and "mistake it for a big aerolite." Since it is our nature now to "see only unreality", have "most artistically mechanized" orselves "to see nothing real", we probably will never see it again.

Well, maybe we will live to see it again in 2012. There is much talk, even via mainstream TV and radio about the Maya "Age of the Cougar" ending. I'm sure some of us will survive, I hope I will so I can write about it, and maybe 10000 years from now our descendants will say: 2500 years before Charlotte, Plato wrote fiction because he had nothing better to do, the Hopi at some time told myths resembling Plato's very closely to entertain their children, a Russian mystic named Gurdjieff also wrote some such nonsense, but I think not because we will be different then.

"We were them then - and we are them now."

Manly Palmer Hall

[overklokan]

well since you havent reed the book "12th planet" (and following "Genesis Revisited") ill try to
summarise some key events from the day 1 of solar system to creation of us, humans:

1. all planets that formed early solar system were still very young and their orbits were not set
as they are set now ... there was no Earth back than ... there was planet called Tiamat, which was
completely covered with water (blue planet) ... since planets ARE living beings, in that youth phase
all were fighting for their own position in solar system ... some of them started creating moons
as defense weapons against other planets and Tiamat created largest one which made other
planets worry a lot ... that biggest Tiamat's moon is actualy our Moon as exists today ... the
worse thing Tiamant did was trying to make Moon planet of its own, with its own orbit and life

2. other planets than decided to punish Tiamat so they called an intruder = huge planet that
was originaly not part of our solar system ... the name of that planet is Nibiru (or Marduk) ...
after planet came to our system he attacked Tiamat with his moons and broke it into one big
piece and millions of rocks ... the original orbit of Tiamat was where the astroid belt is now
(area between Venus and Jupiter i think = check it out, current science still dont have an answer
why we have that asteroid belt there rofl) ... after collision with Nibiru's moons, big part that
left of Tiamat and Moon came to orbit on which Earth is now

3. Earth slowly regenerated and healed wounds ... remainings of Tiamat's waters filled area
where the planet was broken (today we know it as Pacific ocean) and continent (first ever that
is know as Pangea) arised ... Earth started covering the wound so first continent is broken to
pieces (today all continents are still slowly moving towards the center of Pacific ocean) ... but
intruder, Nibiru, was not free = he was caught by Sun's gravitational forces and he became new
member of our solar system ... he was captured in a great elliptical orbit around Sun and his
orbit is not on same plane all other planets are = it takes 3.600 years for Nibiru to make one
trip around Sun ... Moon however stayed on orbit around Earth and he never got life or orbit to
became planet of its own

4. at certain time in the past planet Nibiru was populated with race called Nephilim ... that race
is agressive one ... they started exploiting Nibiru the way we exploit Earth today ... they ruined
their own planet to situation when it was almost impossible to live on it cause of space radiation
that was bombarding the planet = they ruined atmosphere so they lost protection ... but they
find the solution = by creating shield made of GOLD they were able to protect themselves but
not for long since gold reserves on their planet were not huge

5. once when Nibiru was close to other planets of solar system, Nephilims decided to collonise
the Earth since it had similar atmosphere and has a lot of GOLD reserves ... small group of them
came to Earth and made first towns and mines ... but work in mines was too hard and there was
bounty = many were killed ... so they decided to create a slave, the being that will do the hard
work for them ... and they created US ... we are created on their own picture by genetic manipulation
with some monkey specie they found on Earth ... its interesting to notice here the Bible and God
matters = we are created on God's (Nephilim' s) picture ... in Bible, the word Nephilim is used for
angels (they came from the sky) etc.


mixture of the Bible and 12th planet / genesis revisited might be the real TRUTH about us, about
our solar system, about good and evil, about our weakness and strenght, about our purpose
here ... i dont think important things must be complicated and misterious = we just have to find
the most logical reasons for them WITHOUT words like impossible, "cant be" or "we dont have
any evidence" = we have a lot of evidence already but we lack wisdom for simple things ... this
few books i named give us the solutions for almost all today's riddles ... nothing comes even
close to explaining the most important things that we are looking for an answer now ;o)

www.sitchin.com

[overklokan]

one more link, sitchin + mushrooms :o)

www.jamesarthur.net/mm_02.html

[Charlotte]

Hi overkloken,

Glad you un-cloked yourself again, or chime an earthly tone, can't get passed this name Again, the crop circle is marvelous reminding me of "the first swirling" of matter in our solar system. I don't believe that ordinary humans, "prangsters" even, can make these marveles designs with such accuracy, let alone the idea of the forms.

overklokan said:

well since you havent reed the book "12th planet" (and following "Genesis Revisited") ill try to
summarise some key events from the day 1 of solar system to creation of us, humans:

1. all planets that formed early solar system were still very young and their orbits were not set
as they are set now ... there was no Earth back than ... there was planet called Tiamat, which was
completely covered with water (blue planet) ... since planets ARE living beings, in that youth phase
all were fighting for their own position in solar system ... some of them started creating moons
as defense weapons against other planets and Tiamat created largest one which made other
planets worry a lot ... that biggest Tiamat's moon is actualy our Moon as exists today ... the
worse thing Tiamant did was trying to make Moon planet of its own, with its own orbit and life

That is very close to what Gurdjieff teaches in Beelzebub, and the fight in our solar system is identical with Madam Blavatsky's writings. I hold these two persons in high esteem, not because they say so, but because they added to, and or affirmed my previous understanding of things, learned from the Philosophers. So we are in agreement here.

2. other planets than decided to punish Tiamat so they called an intruder = huge planet that
was originaly not part of our solar system ... the name of that planet is Nibiru (or Marduk) ...
after planet came to our system he attacked Tiamat with his moons and broke it into one big
piece and millions of rocks ... the original orbit of Tiamat was where the astroid belt is now

I read, also from a trusted person, that the asteroid belt is the remnant of the purple planet Vulcan, the planet that did not originally belong to our solar system, the one you call Nibiru or Marduck.
(area between Venus and Jupiter i think = check it out,

The asteroid belt circles between Jupiter and Mars, "the first frontier", the first planet on which Beelzebub landed after he left his home planet Karatas or Kronus, and from where he observed the Earth and the Moon.

oon.current science still dont have an answer
why we have that asteroid belt there rofl) ... after collision with Nibiru's moons, big part that
left of Tiamat and Moon came to orbit on which Earth is now

Current science, which obviously reads in the ancient wisdom when stuck, will come around eventually. It just has to bow to some intellectual generosity and admit that the ancients knew more than they do, but they have too much fun theorizing.

3. Earth slowly regenerated and healed wounds ... remainings of Tiamat's waters filled area
where the planet was broken (today we know it as Pacific ocean) and continent (first ever that
is know as Pangea) arised ... Earth started covering the wound so first continent is broken to
pieces (today all continents are still slowly moving towards the center of Pacific ocean) ... but
intruder, Nibiru, was not free = he was caught by Sun's gravitational forces and he became new
member of our solar system ... he was captured in a great elliptical orbit around Sun and his
orbit is not on same plane all other planets are = it takes 3.600 years for Nibiru to make one
trip around Sun ...

This intruder planet Niberu would be Gurdjieff's smaller fragment "Anulios", which the people living on a people living on "the planet Atlantis knew" of, but which is now out of sight, and if we should see it by chance we would mistake it for a "big aerolite." So we agree that this "intruder Niberu" was "captured on a 'different plane" in its 3.600 years orbit around the sun, than the other planets.

Moon however stayed on orbit around Earth and he never got life or orbit to
became planet of its own

The Moon, yes, stayed in orbit around the Earth, but it had life: the "Ant People" who tunneled it hollow. According to Gurdjieff, the Moon and your "intruder planet Niberu" are fragments of the Earth cause by a tremendous cataclysm in our solar system. There is much more to the Moon and the Ant People of several old traditions, including the Hopi.

4. at certain time in the past planet Nibiru was populated with race called Nephilim ... that race
is agressive one ... they started exploiting Nibiru the way we exploit Earth today ... they ruined
their own planet to situation when it was almost impossible to live on it cause of space radiation
that was bombarding the planet = they ruined atmosphere so they lost protection ... but they
find the solution = by creating shield made of GOLD they were able to protect themselves but
not for long since gold reserves on their planet were not huge

This aggressive race were one "group" of the so called Atlantiens, and the collision happened in the first place because the Earth's atmosphere was not yet "concentrated" but more "ethereal." This thing with "shields of Gold" for protection cannot be explained by way of gold from the ground, but has to be found esoterically.

5. once when Nibiru was close to other planets of solar system, Nephilims decided to collonise
the Earth since it had similar atmosphere and has a lot of GOLD reserves ... small group of them
came to Earth and made first towns and mines ... but work in mines was too hard and there was
bounty = many were killed ... so they decided to create a slave, the being that will do the hard
work for them ... and they created US ...

You mean "the two-legged worker beings on earth" in Startreck?

we are created on their own picture by genetic manipulation
with some monkey specie they found on Earth ... its interesting to notice here the Bible and God
matters = we are created on God's (Nephilim' s) picture ... in Bible, the word Nephilim is used for
angels (they came from the sky) etc.

This genetic manipulation, they monkeys etc., beings coming from the sky, must be interpreted correctly as it is much more profound than meets the mind.


mixture of the Bible and 12th planet / genesis revisited might be the real TRUTH about us, about
our solar system, about good and evil, about our weakness and strenght, about our purpose
here ... i dont think important things must be complicated and misterious = we just have to find
the most logical reasons for them WITHOUT words like impossible, "cant be" or "we dont have
any evidence" = we have a lot of evidence already but we lack wisdom for simple things ...

I agree, we can know things complicated and mysterious, but until the nickel drops it IS complicated, and the nickel MUST drop, and does so by itself and then the light bulb sheds light, and only then we comprehend a thing, each according to our development, and lastly that's all that "matters." We have to know for ourselves, everything else is hear-say.

few books i named give us the solutions for almost all today's riddles ... nothing comes even
close to explaining the most important things that we are looking for an answer now ;o)

Every book and teacher takes us to a door, some false, like they indicated for us in Egypt, the false ones are as necessary as the true ones, walking through the former we meet with a dead end, with the latter one step closer to enlightenment.

Or as my philosophy teacher said: when you are going a way and your elan vital is singing and everything is going and coming your way keep going that way, it is the natural and right way and when you're on it you know it, you don't need anybody to show it to you.

In this sense we can all say: it's my way or the high way . . .

Charlotte

PS I haven't had time to read the link.

www.sitchin.com

[Charlotte]

Hi overkloken,

Yes, we talked about mushrooms awhile back in connection with Christmas and New Year, the latter as transformation via mushrooms into "a new year" for the individual.

I began reading in the link, and what bothers me is the laguage of this "genetic manipulation", which comes across like alien people from outer space did it, hence it is ridiculed so much.

It is a difficult and long-winded subject to talk about in words. When I have time lol, I will read the whole link and put the story in more simple and understandable terms, to me anyway. Have to finish my Hopi tale first.

Thanks for your information on "the higher goods."

Charlotte

[overklokan]

do you know that like few months ago around 150 world-recognised scientists signed
the list in which they null all darwin's theories about "evolution of species" ??? they
openly stated that they think darwin is wrong lol ... so if we remove that thory what
other solution we have ??? not many really ... and thats where sitchin's (summerans)
story about genetic manipulation comes really nice and logical (if you think about what
would be our action in case we collonise some distant planet that have some primitive
species living there ... well, i would say that in case that working there turn too hard
and we have enough knowledge about genetic manipulation we would certainly go for
same plan as nephilims did = make new cross-specie that will do all hard work for us
and have fun ;o)

[Charlotte]

overklokan said:

do you know that like few months ago around 150 world-recognised scientists signed
the list in which they null all darwin's theories about "evolution of species" ??? they
openly stated that they think darwin is wrong lol ...

Well, these 150 world-recognized scientists realize that they're left in the dust without this mysterious life animating and life sustaining force, as they can clearly see like the rest of us, that any living creature is dead matter when the life force leaves it.

"Adapt or perish", and "survival of the fittest" is a correct observation, which we can know from history, and see in our daily lives, all the way to when we drive and somebody swerves into our lane we adapt instantly and instictively to this situation, a reaction without thought, or boom! Similarely, in the course of evolution we have done this and it's hard-wired by now.

so if we remove that thory what
other solution we have ???

I have given the solution many times by repeating the words of the Wise of old, all of them, in a nutshell: "Evolution is the pilgrimage of spirit through matter." To me, that is "really nice and logical." :)

not many really ... and thats where sitchin's (summerans)
story about genetic manipulation comes really nice and logical (if you think about what
would be our action in case we collonise some distant planet that have some primitive
species living there

And where would that primitive species living on a distant planet come from? There was a cross-breeding once upon a long time ago, but not deliberate, and certaily not to create workers to mine gold on earth.

... well, i would say that in case that working there turn too hard
and we have enough knowledge about genetic manipulation we would certainly go for
same plan as nephilims did = make new cross-specie that will do all hard work for us
and have fun ;o)

No, the law of Zeus decrees that each one has to do his own hard work, then and now, to get to heaven, and you know the song: ". . . heaven is in your mind?" It was actually the other way around, the older races worked and fed a new new and upcoming generation, like parents work hard to feed their kids and give their progeny a better life.

Dear overkloken, you talk like one prone to avoid hard work :) hoping and cheering on our scientists to already hurry up and create a species to do our hard work so we can have fun, and keep insisting in talking about the Nephelim like they were "people" in a lab, like scientists today genetically altering animals and food motivated by greed, and making fish glow just for the hell of it. They are raising cloned cows solely for consumption, but the people have an aversion to even the thought, save the ones who do the cloning, declaring it perfectly safe. Whereas people in the new consciousness avoid eating animals altogether.

No, no, no, I insist there is an orderly involution of spirit causing in proportion orderly evolution, taking into account each and every living creature, thought and action, past and present, and all that is projected into the future, all that lived and transformed in the cosmos from day one, repolarized in our solar system, and the invisible counterpart of all these, equally important, as in what we say stands on what we don't say, what we do springs from what we don't do, etc.

Charlotte

[Charlotte]

overklokan said:

do you know that like few months ago around 150 world-recognised scientists signed
the list in which they null all darwin's theories about "evolution of species" ??? they
openly stated that they think darwin is wrong lol ... so if we remove that thory what
other solution we have ??? not many really ... and thats where sitchin's (summerans)
story about genetic manipulation comes really nice and logical (if you think about what
would be our action in case we collonise some distant planet that have some primitive
species living there ... well, i would say that in case that working there turn too hard
and we have enough knowledge about genetic manipulation we would certainly go for
same plan as nephilims did = make new cross-specie that will do all hard work for us
and have fun ;o)

Overklokan!

Having bussied myself a bit with politics and corporations, it finally dawned on me, or rather came as "ahhh now I know who the Nephelim were and are, who by a sort of manipulation create a species GI's or grunts, or loyal to the end 2 legged workers, respectively, to do all the hard work for them so they can have all the fun.

They are the various CEOs, whose excessive pay and bonuses allow them to live a live style of the rich and famous, whi troubles our President, and now, Nancy Polosi wants a 707 for her large party of dignitaries, not a puny jet having to land at every hick town. I like her though. Barak O bomber?

Or, to quote you precisely "make new cross = specie that will do all hard work for us and have fun", meaning the hardworking cross-species have the fun?

Charlotte