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Post by overklokan on Jul 1, 2006 11:14:01 GMT -5
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Post by daz407 on Jul 2, 2006 10:37:49 GMT -5
Overklokan
Very interesting link and thought provoking for us humans. Maybe it will be beneficail to our 'mother earth' if us humans go the way of the dinosaurs. We have raped this green planet, polluted our air.
Without humans, mother earth will heal herself and bring forth the next predominant life forms. Homo sapiens had a go? But we have failed. "Planet of the Apes" ring a bell?
Nice to see you on the site.
Daz
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 3, 2006 8:15:34 GMT -5
It seems to me that our momentum is by now unstopable and we are racing toward a critical point. It has been, and is the way of the world in cycles.
"There is now little doubt that our culture is unleashing a vast and accelerating crisis upon the world."
With all due respect to Mr. Harding, he is a bit late, we are seeing and feeling the effects now of our wanton abuse of our planet. We have a bumper sticker "Don't worry about our planet, it will go away."
Why should we surprised about the wiping out of species, the unravelling of our social fabric, crime and massive psychological problems, wenn our motto is "Life is short, get all you can, image is all that matters (which is actually true if we look at things in light of QM), he who dies with the most toys wins", and other such intelligent phrases, and raise and school our kids to "be successful."
"Some believe that our inherently 'sinful' human nature is to blame" for our destruction of the earth, err no, it is the imbalance of the human psyche, all materialistic and cool, philosophically and spiritually almost dead. This in turn is because the words philosophy and spiritual have lost their meaning, and I blame our institutions of higher learning for it. Why? Because I listen to their rhetoric, which then the news media perverts more and feeds it to the multitude.
Read then, what Mr. Harding, trying to reconnect humanity to the animate earth, himself has to say:
'Dead Mashine'
"The fatal flaw is this: that for us, the entire cosmos, including the earth and all her living beings, her rocks and air and atmosphere is no more than a dead mashine that we are free to exploit without limit in the futureance of our own interests."
Not for us who have never disconnected with the cosmos and earth in the first place. Mr. Harding can lay his comment squarely at the doorstep of dead, materialistic science, the ego tripping of Universities, and the greed of big business.
"This notion of a mechanistic universe comes in part from the great thinkers of scientific revolution of the 16th and 17th Centuries, from men such as Descartes, Bacon, and Galileo."
Yeah, right, a fatal flaw in understanding, and people read this and depend on that the writer know what he is talking about.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 4, 2006 10:26:34 GMT -5
The end of yesterday's post and beginning of today's are identical for two reasons. 1, because what Mr. Harding says here is important to the question overclokan poses, and 2, because we are talking about time cycles, which the ending of one is identical with the beginning of the next, and we are living in both.
Mr. Harding:
"This notion of a mechanistic universe comes in part from the great thinkers of (the) scientific revolution of the 16th and 17th Centuries, from such men as Descartes, Bacon, and Galileo.
"There is no doubt that their creation, modern science, is a brilliant and fabulously powerful intellectual achievement that has given us many significant benefits; but it has also deluded us into believing that only pure analythical reasoning can give us reliable knowledge about the world.
"No wonder then that we have ended up in a 'dead' cosmos, for science has taught us to be deeply suspicious of our sensual, intuitive and ethical sensibilities."
I appreciate that Mr. Harding agrees with me on science having a dead cosmos, but he ascribes this belief instilled in us to "their creation (of) modern science", them being Descartes, Bacon, and Galileo. It only shows how little these philosopher scientists are understood, but they are coming more into play by the day because science is not going anywhere without philosophy, as well as poetry. On these three subjects as one, I heard two interesting comments on the radio in the past two weeks. Made me very happy.
Mr. Harding suggest "that we must quickly develope an expanded science that recogni(z)es the validity of all four ways of knowing in equal measure . . .", namely "our spontaneous, sensual experience of the world, our deepest intuition, our sense of what is right, and our reasoning work together to inform us, in the words of 'geologian' Father Thomas Berry, that the world is a communion of subjects rather than a collection of objects."
"The Ancients" have been teaching this since time immemorial, and philosophers throughout the ages, including Descartes, Bacon, and Galileo, have done the same via different avenues.
Again I have to mention how simple and beautifully it is told by the Hopi. Both, Philosophy and the Native American's have not one dead thing in the cosmos; the only the dead thing is the fallen off and decaying branch of material science, thank God. Not to forget that everything serves a purpose at some time in our evolution.
Mr. Harding does give credit to Plato and "many great philosophers, including Spinoza, (err no) Leibniz, and more recently AN WHITEHEAD, considered matter itself to be sentient in its deepest roots." All this has been known, but in the greater scheme of things all proceeds orderly and at the correct speed.
"Could it be that anima mundi, banished from our consciousness for 400 years, now cries out to be heard in this time of deep crisis?" It's been 400 years since Bacon layed the foundations for a new era, the world was not ready then, barely ready now, but the pressure is on. The question is: are we trying to reverse things and start over as in "had we know then what we know now." I don't think so. All things must pass!
Charlotte
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Post by Don Barone on Jul 4, 2006 22:16:27 GMT -5
Charlotte  Your posts are delightful, insightful and just plain enjoyable ! You have learned your lessons well. Your wisdom continues to shine through. We really should put it in book form or at least on a website of it's own. Hmmm, who do we know that designs websites ? Cheers  Don PS: And poetry ... I feel a gentile breeze a-blowin upon a very tranquil sea. And I sense that there may be new waves being roused in me. db |
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 5, 2006 7:27:29 GMT -5
Thanks Don :-*Are you itching to design yet another site? I thought this was sort of my website, mostly nobody around but me writing about what interests me, and a few people checking in now and then to see if there is anything new or what I am rambling on about. I will put "Charlotte's Web" in book form because I do want to make lots of money, I think I said that before   Let it roll! Charlotte |
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 6, 2006 7:59:18 GMT -5
After the question if the world soul, having been buried for 400 years, now cries out to be heard, Mr. Harding continues:
"Within science, she manifests in quantum theory, systems thinking, complexity theory, and, more concretely, in James Lovelock's Gaia theory", which states that the earth is more of a living organism and far from a dead machine.
Why this complexity? Mr. Harding is probably addressing sterile science ala Crick, Koch et all, because "normal" people know naturally that the earth is a living organism, and since Mr. Harding now supports all this new age none sense publicly, it is a good time to repeat the words of Christof Koch, Crick's partner, to show how arrogant and ignorant that branch of science is, or was: when it comes to consciousness, philosophers should heed the advice of Ludwig Wittgenstein "whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."
The statement really annoyed me then, and Dr. Harding ascribing, even in part, the notion of a mechanical universe to Francis Bacon annoys me even more now, but it's ok because the article reconciles science, philosophy, and spirituality, the only way to go, and where we're going we'll find out when we get there.
So "is it already too late to awake now?"
In my view, it is never too late or too early, but is necessarely the way it is this beautiful morning, for instance, it is where we are at the moment, spirit devolving=matter evolving, regenerating and degenerating and all things are made new perpetually in every twinkle of everyone's eye. And if God were to blink the universe would collapse, they say, so it is consciousness and wakefulness keeping it and us. This I believe.
Charlotte
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Post by julia on Jul 6, 2006 20:28:25 GMT -5
I am one of those people that post rather infrequently, but upon reading this - - I just wanted to say that I agree with you here 1000%, Charlotte.
Best,
[glow=red,2,300]Julia[/glow]
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 7, 2006 7:05:17 GMT -5
It's awesome!
Charlotte
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