Identity Cards: The Beginning of a New World Order

[Don Barone]

Hi All:

To kick off this new sub-section I thought the latest news about Britain and their ID cards would be an apt topic. They are using the threat of terrorism to do whatever they desire to keep the people in line. Surely even lambs [on their way to slaughter] protest more than they are doing.

Here are two links to read. They were posted by Jameske on Graham's board.

ID card scheme £2,500 fine threat

And the last time they were used and when people were people and not Sheeple.

When the British fought off ID cards

Don Barone

[BERNHARD]

Dear DON, it is only the start ! and i am sure that professional criminals will be able to fake it ! ( i read the details of making it, and with a high-tech equipment you can copy it ( and modify if necessary )). and the worser the situation on earth will develop, the more will grow the financial power of worldwide acting criminal organisations ! ( oh, i did no point to the US-government and their substructures ... haha ! ). so it will be no problem for them to produce very good professional imitations ! --- ok, and: the US-government is planning the same project, and want to start in around 2007 (?). an actual new contract with the european EU organisation intends to fix and describe the outlines and characteristics of the new ID-card within the next 2,5 years. and after then, they surely want to launch these new ID-cards. the US-responsible man is ASA HUTCHINSON, and the EU-responsible is JONATHAN FAULL ! (commission-director). the data-structure will be similar to those of the new british concept. the danger of the total controlled citizen worldwide is becoming stroner and stronger. the most important biometric data on a chip, permantly the source for a daily input of every kind, and permanent background scanning and number-cruncher based detecting and analyzing ( by the secret services of the big nations ), is a monstrous but since some decades predicted dark shadow of simple-minded forces !! in combination with nano-technology bio-chip implantates for every new born "civilized" baby and its possibility of satellite-scanning, besides the still resident performed scanning of handy-users ( "mobile-phone"), including the scanning of the handy-owners movement ( coordinates / resolution is some 10 meters ), is nothing new ! hiden in the background, some big nations, esp.the US and british government are closely acting in a worldwide satellite based sniffing project, watching billions of electronic based communication transfers every day ! this project is called ECHELON, and is "on air" since the early 199x !! heavely involved is (naturally) the NSA department with special equipment, ironically a technology similar to those, used to scan and identify extraterrestral intelligent sources ( SETI ) ! and not to forget the permant intruder-attacks, not by private or criminal hackers, but performed by security-offices specialists worldwide, oh sorry, naturally only to detect potential terrorists. naturally ! hmm, in the meantime i got strong trouble to distinguish between BAD terrorists and GOOD terrorists ! ( oh my god ! ) this wonderful blue planet does not need these small minded stupid bad devilish creatures of all kinds ! greetings: Bernie

[Name who wants to know]

Gee; with all of someones personal information and the futures biometric data incorperation it would make it mighty easy for someone to frame someone what with our 'advanced' knowledge of growing geneticly created specimens in the lab. //Or even not. because who is allowed to challenge and/or is capable if government controls the info and just says so and so sample matches so and so person. On another note for the cards to be utilized they would have to operate on some kinds of web; either throught the wires like credit cards or not, surely through a 'hackable' venuethough. And how do these cards help with terrorism? oh wait; they don't. Ok, scratch that. What was I saying; they are? Btw what makes these cards so different from current ID's (licenses&passports etc)? Anybody?

[Charlotte]

Hi Don and Bernhard,

Glad to hear from you Don!

The time for a big bang is rapidly approaching, must be, things go in cycles. The resistances are rising equally with the cry of humanity for freedom. My idea of a new world order with the age of Aquarius is well known, and it will prevail, hold that thought close, high, appealing often to the greatest of spirits: Love. Don't mean to sound preachy

"They" got my number. With about 10 other US citizens, all black and one Asian, I was pointed to the "search" line. On my entry paper stating, no, I did not bring foods, vegetables, bugs, snails, chemical substances, or anything else for that matter.

"Why did you go to Egypt?"

"Firstly, I love Egypt, secondly I have a .... there."

"That's a good reason to go."

"Yes, I go as often as I can."

Obvious, my passport is almost full of Cairo entry visas.
The man was very friendly, fished somewhat in my head, we did some wiseacring, you know, my life is an open book, almost, but he was not quite sure if I just was one of those sort of footloose and frivolous, but harmless women, and looking at my luggage said: "Let's open it."

Gladly, I thought, and was going to put said luggage on the counter. "NO, no" he said, "just this one", my carryon. Of course there was my cosmetic bag full to the hilt, almost nothing in it I ever use and wonder why I bother to bring it all every time, my camera, a large hairbrush, one of those roller things to take fuze of black clothes in particular, a about 8 inch green marble cat, a gift, for which he gave me the benefit of doubt, and then he reached into a cloth bag with 'München Bavaria" written on it in the blue colors of Bavaria, and ask what "this" is. "It is one of my prized possessions which I wear when we go out", a beautiful sequence jacket with the sun and moon shining from a stary sky at once on high rise buildings, and some other symbols.

"Ok", he said, and walked over to a computer with my passport to make quite a few notes it seemed to me. Actually, all my luggage was searched twice before. So now, every time my passport is scanned, there must be at least one paragraph of me telling. Was this interesting?

I'm with Gurdjieff's philosophy, who says concerning the ravens who exist on almost every planet on our solar system:

"All that can be said (about them) is that these bird-beings have hearts exactly like those of the angels nearest to our ENDLESS MAKER AND CREATOR. They exist strictly according to the ninth commandment of our CREATOR, namely: 'Do onto another's as you would do onto your own."

Love to the world,

Charlotte

[BERNHARD]

DEAR Don, Lotte and others, well, moving towards something like an Armageddon, being forced to start a new era of mankind, ( guarded by heavenly or extra-terrestal forces / beings ?? ... ), and then looking at the relics of the most famous ship on earth : THE ARK NOAH ! there are lot of rumors and myths, back to old sumerian legends, many others worldwide, re-telled in the BIBLE as well, and so on ! -- you know -- and actually new excitements on this topic: the record- summer of 2003 ( in europe ) and its extreme heatness over several month resulted in a massive melting down of snow and glaciers in all the mountainous regions here in europe ! and that's why the biggest mountain of the Turkey, ARARAT, suffers under enormous meltings as well, giving now free some new objects, one of them a big dark object remembering some excited persons of the ARK NOAH !! they are now ready for a new expedition, alarmed and motivated by some new photos, taken by satellite, showing a big mysterious dark objects, still embeded in the ice of the ARARAT. here is more stuff: news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/04/0427_040427_noahsark.html --- and so i am waiting for the personal log-book (diary) of NOAH, left by him in his small cabin on bord. imagine this ! wouldn't it be the absolute top-sensation of the decade to find something like this !?? ----- greetings: Bernie

[overklokan]

its heavy outdated topic but ill post this link anyway:

www.nocards.org/AutoID/overview.shtml

[overklokan]

bernhard said:

this wonderful blue planet does not need these small minded stupid bad devilish creatures of all kinds ! greetings: Bernie

"ill share a revelation with you i had while i was studying
you humans as specie. youre actualy not mamals. all other
mamals on this planet tend to create a balance with enviroment
they live in. but you humans dont. you move to one area than
spread to new area when all natural resources are exausted.
there is only one organism on this planet following the same
patern. a virus. you humans are dissease, a cancer of this planet.
and we, we are the cure"

agent smith to morpheus, movie THE MATRIX
(not 100% accurately typed, i saw the movie long ago )

[Charlotte]

A totally controlled humanity. To what end?

Upon checkout, the clerk in many stores in my area says matter of factly "your zip code please?" We in line are somewhat uncomfortable but give our zip because what harm could it do, we all heard that it helps businesses to help serve the consumer more efficiently.

Other than to retrieve stolen items easily, why do companies need to know where their products are at all times? and why do we need a "physically linked world in which every item on the planet is numbered, identified, cataloged, and tracked?" Sounds like someone's fun or a big waste of time and resources, or "a political problem."

Imagin wanting to take a flight: you pick up the phone to ask for a taxi, name the airline to the driver which sets everything in motion. You just walk into the airport, your baggage, toothpaste, earrings, money, and everything about you registers via EPC and by the time you get to the security arc all info is synchronized and a person says with a stern look: "you're good to go Charlotte, we have your number."

I don't like it one bit, I felt like a little like this at the Oakland Airport recently where I didn't even have my paper A boarding pass to hold onto and walked about identity-less, or rather, "they" took and had it in the "back" somewhere becuase they singled me out for additional screening. "Uhh, what for" I ask? "Could be for hundred of reasons" said the lady with the power over my next step.

I had to sit and watch the man go through all my belongings and run the pad all around my suitcase checking for explosive traces lol, told to stand here, go over there and do this. No, I don't like it one bit.

Yeah, we're a miserable lot and know it but don't know what to do about it.

Charlotte

[BERNHARD]

DEAR Charlotte and DAZ ( and Don, Julia and Others here ) , the young brown-bear "JJ1", by the people and the press mostly called "Bruno" , came from "Süd-Tirol" ( a region in Italy with a great part of german/austrian influence and culture, many people here are bi-lingual, spaeking german and italian as well, famous man for example: movie-director/actor/climber/book-author : Luis Trenker ! ). the bear Bruno (JJ1) was born in 2004, and his brother "JJ2" also came into the press-media cause of some events at Switzerland, and Tirol (Italy). these two bears are very good wanderers, fit for passing long difficult moutaineous areas, including snow-fields and glaciers. sometimes they need only 30% percent or even less, of a time, a well trained walker or wanderer would need ! they are good climbers as well ! unfortunaltely, having no fear of human beings, Bruno and his brother JJ2 came close to human settlements, doing nothing to any person, but killing several sheeps and canines ! the fact, they they do not fear or attack humans, offers a hidden problem: city-people from today, esp. childrens, do not know how to behave if coming in closer contact with a bear ! the believe, that a bear is a softy, a tender being like those little textile-bears we all got during our childhood ! this false behaviour, the lack of respect, can result in a problematic situation, where the bear suddenly decides to go in an attack, to defense himself from any further "contact" with humans and their dogs ! ---- that's the real problem, not the number of killed sheeps --- not easy to solve ! -- ok, where came "JJ1" (=Bruno) and his brother "JJ2" ? -- they came from an italian region, the Trentino, were born in 2004. from there the wandered to AUSTRIA and GERMANY (Bavaria), or even to the Switzerland , as JJ2 did ! they odften crossed the montaneous borders, and therefore difficult to catch them ! and the parents ( the mother is called "Jurka", the father is called "Joze" ) of BRUNO and his brothers originally came from european SLOWENIA : between 1999 and 2002 ten brown-bears, living there in a special reservation, were re-located to the Trentino region (Italy) , in the natural reservation called "Adamello Brenta" ! fortunately they could prosper, were fertile, and produced some descendants, actually around 11, including JJ1 (Bruno) and his brother JJ2 ! the two got their freedom in 2005: Bruno was the first free brown-bear in Bavaria since 134 years ! it is sad, that his bavarian travel continued for only some weeks ! at this moment, the emotions here are very strong : hot debates and discussion on "pro and contra" ! the local authorities are confrontated with massive attacks, some peole even try to accuse them for murder ! the officials in bavaria first tried to catch Bruno, even with the help of finish specialists assisted by "bear-dogs", or hunters with special guns, trying to hit Bruno with narcotic arrows, but that's difficult: you must come very close to him, not more than 30m distance, to be able to fire a precise narcotic arrow on him ! many people did NOT want to see him dead ! Bruno then was shot by a professional hunter ( or an police-expert ) with a single shot, according to official news. he died immediately, did not have to suffer ! it happened at the "Rotwand" location, above the bavarian lake "Spitzingsee", (region of the city of Miesbach ), in the morning of monday ( 26. of June) , around 4.50 o'clock ! abv his brother JJ2 is still missing, he disappeared in late 2005. some suggest, that he was killed by a poacher !? or died due to the very long wintertime 2005/2006 here in Europe ? "Jurka", the mother, also lost contact, or is not not more alive ! she carried two aktive transceivers (permanently sending signals, but now, no one does function ! did she striped them away, was she shot, or died because of a hard and long winter ? no one knows !? male bear (father) Joze is still alive, and HE is the father of ALL bears born in the Trentino-reservation !! -- finally the last photo from Bruno ( by a biker-tourist ), taken some hours before his dead, while he was "cool" walking near the Spitzing-See !! ( sonday-afternoon, 25. of June ) : www.n-tv.de/682298.html --- Good Bye Bruno ! regards: Bernie

[Charlotte]

Forum Jump!?

What a story. What a bear family. I know that people were kind to them along their wanderings.
I agree with you Bernhard, that we have forgotten how to communicate naturally with animals, we don't have time for such anymore. It's unstopable by now.

Loving thoughts to Bruno and his family

Charlotte

[overklokan]

i dont understand how that post about bears fit into this thread is it intentionaly off-topic

[BERNHARD]

Hello Overklokan, (LOL) -- Sorry, that You became a little bit irritated. it was a simple mistake by my side, caused by "clicking on the wrong reply bottom", which finally resulted in this irritating posting on a different topic !! ;D therefore no reason for a further deepgoing analysis why this bear-related info was positioned under this Identity-Card subject !! -- best regards: Bernie

[Charlotte]

Hi overclokan, Bernie, and All,

I have to smile too every time I read your interesting name, "overclokan."

About on or off topic, we are very informal here as you can see, especially Bernhard and Daz, the only other two people posting lol aside from Don's occasional comment.

It is nice of you to join us and I hope you like the relaxed and casual pace here.

Charlotte

[Don Barone]

Hi Charlotte [Many since according to you I only visit occasionally ! ]

Sorry I have been absent but a myriad of things keep getting in the way. I will try harder and since we are on this thread have you read about the identity cards for ... Americans !

And Bernhard my sincere condolences on this afternoon events. Two goals in the last minute, Very unusual. I immediately thought of you. (They had it on at work) I hope you are well.

Anyway other than saying this to Charlotte [having been thinking about how you helped me out so deeply at Christmas and in situations of mind in the past] ... I love you and thanks [this is in case I were to forget to say it further down the line of time]

Love to all
Don Barone
... Occasional visitor

And overklokan ... WELCOME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Charlotte]

Thank you sincerely Don, huh I love you too and thank you for all your help in the past, you know, the 'how high' jumping, and all the times I didn't know what to do. In fact, without your help I wouldn't be here at all. Enough mushiness!

Yes, I hear things now and then about identity cards but don't care, mostly because the ball is rolling and who knows when it will hit the wall. Watching the world events is absolutely incredible. WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?

They can't, it's over everybody's head by now, the only thing going is damage control on all fronts, and that has to be done as we go along. N. Korea rockets in with 7 rockets, interesting number, maybe their government is one of philosophers LOL and we keep building the space station to get to Mars, or maybe just to give our need to escape the hopeless chaos in our collective psyche objective boosters.

Don't be a stranger, you can see that the moderation task is overwhelming me many times.

Have a great day everyone!

Charlotte

[BERNHARD]

Dear Charlotte and Don and Others, these new identity cards ( and similar electronic cards ) are using so called RFID chips. despite the fact that many informations on those chips are stored in an encrypted
format, the enciphering/deciphering algorithm on which all data-transfer and storing is based, will soon be well known, cause too many people are familiar with that subject, including the secret services. additionally, therrte are different radio-frequencies in use, but to get the details of the corresponding freuency is not problem as well. i am very sure, that every or at least most of the cryptological software programmed and produced in the united states installed a backdoor for the secret services ( CIA/ NSA/ .... ). haha: this all only for an "honest" purpose: the national security ... haha !! hmm, and if not such a (software)-backdoor is installed, then the algorithms for encode/decode are forwarded to certain specialists of those institutions. with the power of special laboratories, financiated by vast black budgets of billion of dollars, enabling those institutions to build huge array.computer complexes, using it not only for physical or chemical simulations and calculations, but for sniffing analysis of data-stream from all sources. BIG BROTHER IS WATCHINH YOU ! only to point on project ECHELON !! not only the private person and its communication is scanned, but also the communication og big companies worldwide, including the sniffing for business-secrets or results on the scientific research !! HAHA: only for the national security of the USA. i do not believe this !! --- to be not misunderunderstood: the misuse may not be done only by governmental institutions, but also by big companies able to use high tech equipment, operating in many states and most of the big cities ! ****** IMPORTANT: the modern RFID-based electronic card could be read out, even when you are not aware of it ! so you may visit a shop, or an institution, or passing certain discrete and hidden control-point, you could be scanned without any chance that you will notice it !! it may function over a distance of several meters ! the RFID-chip gets a special radio-signal, and it responds, providing all or parts of the information which is stored. that>#s a source for a terrible misuse of ones very private data and personal intimacy !! TO AVOID THIS, YOU ONLY HAVE TO WRAP YOUR NEW (RFID-based)-CHIPCARD INTO a foil of aluminium, two or threetimes folded, and then the relatively weak radiosignal can not pentrate it, so not reaching the RFID chip, triggering a data-tranfer !! and vice versa the RFID chip can not respond due its weak realtively short range signal. ! carrying your RFID-chip card in small metal box (gold/silver/alu) or something like this, can protect Your privacy from any criminal remote scan and read ! **** some of You may still know this, but others may not ! -- Best regards: Bernie

[Charlotte]

If I wrap my RFID chip in aluminum foil or hide it in a metal box they will look at me suspiciously and say: "Vat, you have no identity schip, schtep over here please and rrroll up ze schleve . . . .

Charlotte

[BERNHARD]

Dear Charlotte, You should carry this RFID-card normally inside such a (metal)-box !! as a trick You may use an "elegant" looking lady-like small cute box ! something like an elegant cigarette-box, styled and designed with a touch of silver or gold !! oh jeh: unfortunately this metall-box protects from any radio-frequencies -- haha ;D . hence ONYL FOR USE you take out this RFID-chip based card !! only for this moment !! during all other hours You should keep this RFID-card INSIDE your (metall)-box, to avoid any unwished, uncontrolled and hidden criminal access and scan of your personal data ! -- Best regards: Bernie -- ( p.s.: will be interesting to know DON's meaning or knowledge on this subject .... ) *****

[Charlotte]

I'll remember that advice when they give me a chip, have all sorts of metal, pearl, and wooded boxes. Don? He is always outside the box

Charlotte

[overklokan]

what i still cant figure out clearly is why world leaders and players from shadow (so to call them)
need all this id / rfid / monitoring / controling of us all ??? they will probably have all data about
anyone on this planet soon, new born kids will be monitored since the day of birth ... but why ???
what will they do with all that info ??? the bible speaks about the sign or number of the beast,
something that many think will be sort of chip implant on rigth hand or forehead ... as bible state,
all that receive that sign (mark) will be doomed ... ok, lets say it will be like that but why ???
one thing that is blinking in my head is that with all that control over our lives and no privacy
at all we will slowly lose humanity ... we will become just a slaves and controled robots of their
society, brainwashed from all false and confusing media and too many infomation ... isnt that
enough to be called doomed ??? loss whole sense of anything realy important, loss of contact
with nature and whole universe itself, loss of sponteneous action and thoughts ... is it really
all about the greatest twisted and evil manipulation of human race in whole ???