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Post by Charlotte on Jan 7, 2004 10:23:49 GMT -5
Hi everyone,
In the past few days I have been thinking a lot about the Giza Sphinx. Whereas most people learn about the ancient Egyptian civilization via conventional Egyptology and archaeology, my first objective contact with the civilization came with studying philosophy, the Greeks in particular. Naturally then, I was surprised and dismayed when reading and hearing how experts on ancient Egypt saw that people, and how their words were interpreted.
Besides the yardang and left over from Pyramid building stone theory, does anyone know of any other by conventional Egyptology?
Anthony West thinks the Sphinx much older and that it was not "built" by Khafra, and forensic testing in a police laboratory in New York compaired the head and face of the Sphinx with that of Khafra's famous statue: sitting on a throne with Horus the Falcon sitting on the back of his neck, and found the angle off by some 35 degrees. Can't remember exactly.
Anthony West writes, before the tests in New York, that "evidence for Chephren as the buider of the Sphinx is purely circumstantial."
"The stela of Tuthmosis IV: When it was first excavated, the bottom registers of Tuthmosis' stela were already flaked away. In the last line that was legible, following a lacuna of several words, the hieroglyph for the first-syllable of Chephren's name (khaf) was decipherable. But there is no direct or indirect reference to Chephren as builder, and controversy soon arose over whether or not the still legible 'khaf' was part of Chephren's name or of some other word: khaf is an element common to many Egyptian words. The controversy will never be settled, since the register in which khaf appeared has subsequently flaked away. What is certain is that there is no mention of Chephren as the buider of the Sphinx."
Coming in from the philosophical side, and interpreting the words of the Egyptians accordingly, and other things, I would go further and say, that there might have been a Pharaoh who gave himself, or was given the name Khafra by the priests, as the Egyptian kings assumed names according to a priniciple they embodied, lived by it, and named the structures they built accordingly.
The Pyramid of Khafra is of transformation, it belongs to the scarab-beetle khefer, as Isha de Lubicz describes the process of the self-perpetuating scarab so beautifully.
If the Sphinx was nothing more than a yardand or left over stone, why does it say "in a dream" to Tuthmosis:
"Look at me Tuthmosis my son, I am your father Horus in the horizon, I promise what is in my gift, earthly rule at the head of all the living, all the territory on which the eye of the sun rests will be yours. To you I turn my face and heart for protection, since I am sick in my limbs, the sands of the holy place upon which I rest have covered me."
Even today, the Giza Plateau is indeed a holy place, it is for me, and not only the desert sands have oppressed it, but the sands of time way heavely on it, and it is repaired over and over for as long as we need to solve its riddle, which is the riddle who we are individually and collectively.
Our grand-grand-grand father, the father of terror
"Abu el Hoal"
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Post by Charlotte on Mar 20, 2004 11:41:17 GMT -5
Sphinxes Fern: "A Sphinx may be an absurdity, a monster, yet in its terrifying muteness, or perplexing verbosity, a monstrous sphinx composite is the most telling symbol of mystery. Mystery as composite inconsistency of elements of Truth and contradictions, eliciting perplexity." This reminds me of the MOST HIGH COMMISSION implanting into our common presence things to see topsy-turvy, devert our attention with pleasure so we don't find out things we couldn't handle and give up. "The Sphinx (she means the Greek daughter Sphinx guarding the High Way to Thebes where the answer is found) herself must have 'known' the answer to the riddle, or else she could not recognize a forthcoming solution. Having received the riddle and the answer externally, or from the Muses, the Greek Sphinx 'knew' but did not understand the answer to the riddle. When threrefore intellectually conquered by Oedipus, she threw herself from her high mountain and commited suicide. Oedipus too had intellectually discerned the answer, but did not as yet essentially understand it. His life therefore was beset with tragedy. For while knowing is a function of the mortal mind; understanding is experienced in terms of the human soul's reaction to that known. True, there have always been men with the penetrating genius and the truth-loving courage of an Oedipus. Men who in sincere quest for Truth were able to solve some of the riddles which perplex humankind. Some have long since come to the conscious realization that the answer is man himself. Abstract, more or less. There is mythological account of monstrous sphinx-creatures since the dawn of human earth history; even before spiritual-creative and natural-created self unfolding, and self-consciously self-centered unfolding by pre-human selfhood generations did come to divine-parentally provoked self-animation of self-sustaining, essentially human soul-constitution. Sphinx creatures are created by the form-bound minds of ensouled humankind, and through the art of writing are time-perpetuated and educationally transmitted as learning. Among pre-human sphinx-creatures, or rather the prehumanly provoked or created sphinx-creatures, is the Babylonian Sphinx. Both its human part and its animal part is of androgynous male-female constitution. Sphinx creatures engendered by ensouled human knowing and learning are encountered in the Egyptian Son-Sphinx and the Greek Daughter Sphinx. Much more recently we learn of the Sphinx of Science and Industrialism, whose monstrous form was slain immediately upon its birth, so only the dead sphinx carcass remains. The most recent and most illustrious of Sphinx creatures is the literary-masonic Shakespeare Sphinx, the subject of our investigation and search for solving its humanly mind-formed riddle. It can be clearly seen and understood, the genelogical descent of sphinx-creatures indicates a progressively timed interrelationship with mind-formed human thinking and knowing, as related to eventual true and essential understanding, to be lawfully communicable to the entire human race." Much of this can be heard in Beelzebub's words, and much is now being communicated to the human race from all quarters of the earth. It just takes us 1001 little steps to essential understanding, but the whirlwind we're reaping must blow away all the old and extraneous first. The MOST HIGH COMMISSION interferes not, obvious enough now that together humankind paddles or the boat sinks. I'm trying to build a life-boat for myself because like Wilbur I don't want to die Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Mar 21, 2004 11:08:14 GMT -5
More about Sphinxes by Fern
"Man know thyself' echoes from the distant recesses of time throughout human earth-history. But again, knowing is not understanding. Far from it. Understanding by the sages of antiquity would have had to add an admonition, such as: 'Man know thyself, then hasten to gorget thyself and thy self-centered ways, so that thou may learn to understand thy human origin, purpose and destiny."
Discrimination between 'knowing' and 'understanding'. Though in a different context, G says: ". . . but the three-brained beings of that peculiar planet, especially the contemporay ones, do not discriminate such fine points. Who called them, why, and in what circumstances--it's all one."
"Those comparatively few from among human advance factions who, as least do come to know the answer to the riddle of the Sphinx, do simultaneously realize their own lack of understanding, at least to the degree so they could elicit understanding in others. Even if and when true knowing elicits essential understanding in the individual, that known and understood cannot be lawfully transmitted to other. For Truth is a living thing, and like livingthings must eventually be livingly propagated. Living propagation implies masculine and feminine human procreation, and feminine-maternal re-creation for the engendering and birth of living offspring.
Therefore lawfully conformative fraternal masculine searchers for Truth, if and when they do come to essential understanding for themselves, do simultaneously realize their respective individual relationship to feminine members of the collective. They recognize the necessity for cloaking their knowing and understanding into voluntary secrecy and concealment, thus stimulating inquiry, which in turn provokes lawful discernment."
This necessity for concealment to stimulate inquiry for descernment is also the reason why many classical writers, and contemoray as well, speak with a "forked tongue", which term has degenerated to a common lie. A forked tongue can also be applied to 'above and below'. The serpent is such a powerful symbol.
"On the other hand those not humble enough or beneficiently disposed toward lawful sharing, become autoritatively power-conscious and fall into pitfalls more dangerous. They use their victory over the sphinx in terms of 'cold knowing' for self-display and develop various 'Oedipus complexes'. Their aquired knowing and lack of understanding yields psychological, ideological and physical 'power'. Their knowing is deliberately dressed into perplexing obscurity for reasons of power-conscious self display, dictatorial rule and oppression. It is thus that the sphinx terror is time-perpetuated among succeeding generations.
Solar created time herself is the original Sphinx-Mother. Her son and daughter sphinx offspring are fathered by her spouse Typhon, or soalr-created Death. Sphinx-creatures are created by creatively-endowed human consciousness, which uses the brain-backed mortal human mind for its creatively conscious expression. Unwittingly the creatively-endowed consciousness of ensouled human creatures also project a 'Sphinx Soul', together with a consciously mind-formed, monstrous sphinx body. The human head attached to the animal sphinx body represents the selfin the Soul and its creatively endowed consciousness."
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Mar 24, 2004 11:49:12 GMT -5
The idea of the Sphinx "An idea is a being incorporeal, which has no subsistence by itself, but gives figure and form onto shapeless matter, and becomes the cause of the manifestation." So far as I understand it, the original Sphinx-Mother is solar-created TIME within "eternal" time, or a smaller circle because the big one is too big to "hold that thought." In so called 'pre-human' time, the Garden of Eden or 'first' creation, when there was no man to till the soil, we were androgynous, male and female, some are still stuck there, and maybe others want to be either male or female, but can't 'make up their mind' at the moment of chromosome devision, and are 'in the wrong body' as they assure the world, and as usual, these things have to work themselves out naturally in many life-times, cannot be forced. It was eastward in Eden, the material world, where God put Adam who fell in a deep sleep, and when he woke up, voila, there were us women. And because Adam, figuring for earth-humanity, was asleep when 'it' happened, he cannot 're-member' how to get back to his divine state. He 'lost -pre-disposition for soul-redemption' says Fern, and to make a longest story short, this Age of Aquarius is ours, the women's own. Very observably on the way, we have 2000 years to do it. A creator of and in the material world can only create of what he thus far knows about it and about himself, and Adam had to name all the animals according to his nature before he had the great fortune to be given a help-meet in us women. Actually, as it is said to this day, we are his other for better or for worse half. The newer races with "thined out" blood have not so much problems getting in touch with their feminine side, it is the older races us women have to diplomatically win over. Something like Charlotte the spider does, knocks them out so they don't feel the pain, and then sucks their blood as nourishment to spin a new web to save Wilbur's life. I know it sounds sort of disgusting but it's the way eastward in Eden. Among the first 'pre-human' (androgynous race) sphinx-creatures is the Baby-lonian Sphinx. Recording our evolution, an embryo, androgynous after conception, is itself is a riddle, nobody, not even the mother knows what transpires in her. Biology can observe the phases but not the 'how' or life force by which it grows. Solar Humanity Fern. ". . . the courages Oedipus prince represents essentially soul-centered fraternal human quest for true knowing and eventual Truth-understanding. All creatively mind-formed true knowing, communicated and gathered from without, must first be made to 'stand under' the livingly experienced warmth or love reaction of the human soul, before it can possibly become essentially truthful 'under-standing' from within. That is, on that basis mind-formed true knowing must engender concern for fellowmen and their perplexities. In essentially human or soul-terms, all advance attainment in knowing and understanding must eventually be transmitted and shared with all. (talk comes easier to women because they are taken less serious and are more easy forgiven) Thruth either belongs to no man or else to all humankind. Therefore all human advance attainment must ever be in the name of, or in voluntary advance representation of the collective to which the individual belongs." Many times she started off her "rambling until I'm blue in the face" with: "Collective thinking comes first!"
"Therefore, motivated by love of Truth and love of fellowmen -- before 'living Truth' herself does lawfully come to incarnation and birth on earth -- all advance encounter with living Truth must deliberately veil and shroud mind-realized Truth-understanding into voluntary secrecy and concealment, the while confirming such attainment through humbly dedicated service in ways of conditioning the collective and its generations for the anticipated event of Truth-descent to earth! Essential Truth herself must be human-parentally invited to incarnation on earth. ("Ask and ye shall receive" says Don Barone, and I'm asking but not receiving ) That requires lawful masculine and feminine soul and mind maturing (and we're getting there) for the procreative and maternal recreative engendering of adequate vehicles for the incarnation of Thruth on Earth. They have to be 'immortalized' vehicles in which living Truth can survive on our lie-ridden planet." And the spiritual revolution is gaining momentum.
Didn't the Egyptians teach of an immortalized body? Yes they did.
The work of Womenkind, not as easy as Philalethes would have it.
"Since all true understanding and all Thruth-understanding must be experience distilled, solution to these life and light-bearing Love-mysteries must come through lawful feminine-maternal agency, which in turn instructs fraternal and paternally anticipating consciousness!" So who pays for Adam sleeping? And as usual and generally speaking, who holds down the farm, does all the work to keep peace in the family, and world family?
A little respect here for us Women of the World, which the old Mullahs there, who either misinterpret their holy book, but more likely love their power over women, have to learn, like it or not, we have our tricks, and if they don't hear us talk we all will roar together before too long to give them a good reason to bang their heads against the wall. I wish one would check in here, I'm ready for a good fight from the safety of the computer lol.
Charlotte
PS For some reason or other the italics are messed up.
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Post by Charlotte on Mar 25, 2004 11:25:10 GMT -5
More Sphinx Talk
I forgot to say that the beginning quote of the previous post is from Plutarch.
The Greek mythological Sphinx, "the Terror", who guards the High Way to Thebes and kills anyone who cannot solve her riddle, commits suicide when Oedipus solved it. In recent times this is shown in "The Never Ending Story", filmed in Bavaria I might add because "they" are over there too, in which Atreyu the worrier has to dash, cheered on by the dingy headed professor, "don't doubt yourself", between the 2 clearly feminine sphinxes before they open their eyes and pulverize him like the soldier or Knight before him clad in iron armor, because, says the professor, no matter how heavely armed the travelers are the Sphinxes see right through it. Anyway, like the Theben Sphinx, the two sphinxes in that story, after Atreyu makes it passed them, goes on but realizes he doesn't know what direction to take, turns and consults the sphinxes how to get to the "boundry of Fantasia" and the palace of the "Empress", his soul, they tell the modern courages Oedipus and then break up. In both cases the solving of the riddle is their death.
As I said before, when I stood before the Giza Sphinx the first time, a most profound feeling came over me because I 'knew', and knowing is not understanding, that it contained or guarded all riddles, I saw that its beautiful and serene face was neither distinctly male nor female, but both, and noticed that during the day its eyes were open, and during the night its eyes appeared to be closed. And that was when I had not given 2 thoughts to the magnificent ancient Egyptians, and thankfully had not been on one of the message boards on Egypt, or God forbid, read Lehner et all, because my mind would have been so full of rubbish that it would have not allowed such wonder to enter.
Eastern and Western Learning
Fern: "The Egyptian Son-Sphinx was mute. That is the human head lacked the faculty of speech for communicating knowing and learning. Thus the Egyptian Son-Sphinx does constitute the sphinx-embodyment of the respective riddle itself, (this is precisely what I experienced, didn't know Fern then) namely creatively endowed consciousness which by itself cannot come to redemptive understanding. The Greek Daughter Sphinx howeverpossessed the faculty of speech, and proposed a verbally formed riddle, which has to do with the knowing and understanding of composite human states.
The Greek Daughter-Sphinx is reported to have dwelled on a mountain top, identifying advance development of human knowing and learning during the Greek flower period of the Tree of Knowledge, which was far in advance of the general masses of humankind. Knowing could not yet be shared by all humankind because it had not as yet become true understanding. The blossoms had first to fall from the flowering tree of knowledge before the fruit could begin to form at the base of the denuded bloom. Greek philosophy and learning, remaining ideologically intellectual, the Greek Daughter-Sphinx never descended from her mountain top, but the fraternal masculine searchers for Truth had to climb up to her abode. The forming fruit upon the denuded tree of knowledge had to nourish the populace into an educationally induced receptivity, and produce 'works for the benefit of all', before the mind-formed deductions of Greek philosophy could effectively shared in terms of love and life understanding.
In our composite human state the creatively endowed self and its consciousness dwells in the self-sustaining redemptive Soul. Creative consciousness pertains to the Self in the Soul. Redemptive consciousness pertains to the Soul which sustains the Self. Our humanity therefore is centered in our immortal self-animated Souls." We are complex creatures, the Egyptians have 7 souls.
And it gets worse. "Furthermore, in our human state the immortal human soul-self and its redemptive-creative consciousness is livingly imprisoned in mortal body form. Redemptive creative soul-intelligence is for its expression dependent upon the form-bound mortal mind and its faculties. Immortal self and soul intelligence, forced to be reflected through inferior mortal mind vihicles, is correspondently distorted and untrue. That is, unless the mortal mind-instrument -- which the self in the soul and its consciousness uses -- has itself come to consciously soul-provoked re-creation or regeneration. Since each time the immortal soul comes to mortal incarnation a new set of mortal body and mind vihicles is parentally imparted, such soul-provoked human mind-regenration has to be accomplished in the course of one given life-time.
However, while the creative consciousness of the self in the soul is still consciously unaware or unconscious of its own relationship to self-sustaining, redemptive soul endowment and its redemptive intelligence, the soul-centered humanity does unconsciously create human-animal sphinx composites. We create self-consciously mind-formed, unconsciously soul-endowed sphinx creatures, whose creatively conscious human head is attached to motally mind-formed, androgen animal forms. Furthermore this 'unnatural' monstrous sphinx composite does unconsciously imprison a humanly created sphinx sou! This creative-consciously mind-formed and humanly projected sphinx-soul, imprisoned in a mortally mind-formed monstrous sphinx body,--just as the self-animated soul, imprisoned in a mortal body and mind-constitution-- is aggravated and frustrated. In a humanly created monstrous sphinx form the soul's aggravation and frustration is expressed as respective sphinx-ferocity."
Now you know what I went through day after day, its enough to knock you unconscious for consciousness sake. Its like quantum-mechanics-particle-physics, but said Bohr iirk "if it doesn't confuse you you don't understand it." But like Gurdjieff's stuff, each sentence has meaning, and when intensely thought about can be re-created in ones own mind and synthesized for understanding. No bombs no craters! is my motto
In German, and Bernhard will understand this mind created and formed sphinx-creature ist ein ausgedachtes Lebewesen, a thought out living thing. It is interesting, to me anyway, that 'ausgedacht' means coming from out under the roof, and in Arabic "dachbetti" means "my house", and a betti or bed to boot, and that's the rest of it . . .
Charlotte
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