Accretion, Kepler, Apollonius & the Book of Enoch

[James]

Hello all,

jb} I wish to speak of planetary accretion theory (that being the organized layering of a terrestrial type planet that builds up - like an onion - from a central core to the outermost crust). However, planetary accretion theory has it's "origins" in the oldest records that exist in the world, so to accept these ancient concepts one must have confidence in them.

So toward that end I'd like to speak first of Kepler, Apollonius, and the Book of Enoch. Kepler's Laws of planetary motion are undisputed, while the Greek mathematician, Apollonius c200 B.C., gave us conic sections (see illustration below).

Meanwhile, Chapter 41 from the Book of Enoch gave us the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum. (see Note below)

And I saw the chambers of the moon .. and it's stately orbit, and how it does not leave that orbit .. and it adds nothing to it .. nor takes anything from it .. and it keeps faith .. in accordance with the oath by which it is bound.

Kepler, c1600, combined Enoch's Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum with Apollonius's conic sections and gave us the Laws of Planetary Motion. For this concept to be valid, however, it is requisite that the author of Enoch knew the orbit of the moon circumnavigated the earth!

Further examination of Chapter 41 of the Book of Enoch shows this in-fact is the case

And after that I saw the hidden and the visible path of the moon, and she accomplishes the course of her path in that place by day and by night-the one holding a position opposite to the other.

Impossible? Not really, not when we think about who wrote our high school and college Texts; and who wrote the Texts those authors learned from, and those before, and those before that!
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james bowles
CE, MBA, and the author of "The Gods."

NOTE: The Book of Enoch is the first known publication that combines both the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum, and an explicit statement that the moon's orbit circumnavigated the earth!
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[BERNHARD]

dear JIMBOW,
the BOOK ENOCH (Henoch) is not so old, around first century BCE, but was still famous and accepted at that time of Jesus and his direct descendants, and was also mentioned in the (official) letter of Jude. unfortunately later it was declared for "apocryph" or "non-canonic" ! well, besides Ezekiel (Hesekiel), this book is of special interest because of several chapters telling or (better) describing us some "heavenly" experiences, providing some evidence of advanced high-tech space-crafts , and probably the visit of something like a space-station !! ( Enoch ) . hence my question: was it not the moon, but such a space-station, circling and running around the earth, moving in a "fixed" , today so called geostational ( "geo-stationaer" ) position !? a crazy phenomenon for an intelligent but unskilled man of that time. Enoch surely asked the other "supernatural" beings, HOW this enigmatic "fixed movement" could be established or performed !? -- ok, i have to stopp here, cause the daily work must be done: a higher priority ! -- best regards to all here ! -- Bernie

[James]

Hi Bernie,

Yes, we both agree on the date. But about "a space-station, circling and running around the earth," permit me to pass, as I have no idea.

However, Chapter 13 in the Book of Enoch says some mighty interesting things that we can interpret as, "If thou do bad - then bad ye shall have," which IMO is the source of Unlucky 13.

Enoch said: .. thou shalt have no peace: a severe sentence has gone forth against thee to put thee in bonds: And thou shalt not have toleration nor request granted to thee, because of the unrighteousness which thou hast taught, and because of all the works of godlessness and unrighteousness and sin which thou hast shown to men.

And the bad guys thought they could get away with anything - too bad they didn't read Chapter 13

jimbow
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[Charlotte]

Hi jimbo,

Appolonius of Tyana I can relate too.

My thinking on the accretion theory of planets begins with space: "Wisdom has hewn her house afore any world was . . ." Consciousness or light ignited and space became and is an event according to Philosopher scientists. Einstein also has it an object not a shapeless vacuum.

The origin of the phenomenal universe is this igniting of consciesness, there was light, in turn the origin of all "substances", from highest sublimated to stardust to stone. Behind the accretion of planets is spirit desiring a medium for expression, manifestation and experiene, else it would forever be just spirit - no thing. I agree with you that this is written in the oldest records in the world, and I do have great confidence in them, but more importantly it is preserved in the biology of man the microcosm and our collective memory. For the most part we see through a glass, darkly, but it is becoming transparent by the by. The planets were formed, so to speak, by this consciousness for the purpose mentioned above, and to give us a habitation and time as expressed so beautifully by the Rosicrucian James Phinney Baxter:

"The end of our Foundation (Rosicrucian and Masonry) is the knowledge of Causes, and the secret motion of things; and the enlarging of the bounds of the human Empire, to the effecting of all things possible."

Appalonius of Tyana, a classical pagan by the way, visited with the Persian Magi and Brahmans, so it stands to reason that he knew the correct motion of the heavenly bodies. The notion that the Egyptians and the Greeks had no knowledge of a heliocentric solar system is due to our scholars not discerning the mystical meaning of their language. And surely the Book of Enoch was written by an Adept of high degree.

Charlotte

[Charlotte]

bernhard said:

dear JIMBOW,
the BOOK ENOCH (Henoch) is not so old, around first century BCE, but was still famous and accepted at that time of Jesus and his direct descendants, and was also mentioned in the (official) letter of Jude. unfortunately later it was declared for "apocryph" or "non-canonic" ! well, besides Ezekiel (Hesekiel), this book is of special interest because of several chapters telling or (better) describing us some "heavenly" experiences, providing some evidence of advanced high-tech space-crafts , and probably the visit of something like a space-station !! ( Enoch ) . hence my question: was it not the moon, but such a space-station, circling and running around the earth, moving in a "fixed" , today so called geostational ( "geo-stationaer" ) position !? a crazy phenomenon for an intelligent but unskilled man of that time. Enoch surely asked the other "supernatural" beings, HOW this enigmatic "fixed movement" could be established or performed !? -- ok, i have to stopp here, cause the daily work must be done: a higher priority ! -- best regards to all here ! -- Bernie

HUh Bernhard, this spaceship must have been Beelzebub's "Karnak" or "Occasion" in which he traversed the solar system ;D Are you calling the writer of the Book of Enoch "an intelligent but unskilled man of the time?"

And "Enoch surely asked the other 'supernatural beings' HOW this enigmatic fixed movement could be established and performed." But Bernhard! Enoch lived for 365 years, walked with God and WAS NOT.

Maybe the "supernatural beings" are those responsible for world creation and world maintenance, the Elohim, chief among them at one time "the great Arch-Engineer of the Universe, His Measurability, Archangel Algamatant. MAY HE BE PERFECTED ONTO THE HOLY ANKLAD." And may we also measure up to it!

I also have great confidence in Gurdjieff.

Charlotte

[BERNHARD]

Dear CHARLOTTE, (LOL), i did not want to insult the good old ENOCH (Henoch) by calling him an unskilled man, no-no, i wanted to express the incredible deep-going, probably nearly shocking experience, when this man with the knowledge of his (!) time, of course with absolute NO knowledge of the high-tech background of a space-station, was suddenly ( = no time for a mentally -"preparation-process" ) confrontated with the impression of a total other world, with the supernatural atmosphere of a wold of "supernatural beings" and their oustanding knowledge and science. and compared with this applied super-knowledge, demonstrated by these "heavenly" beings or entities, the man Enoch could feel as a very "poor" unskilled man. not in comparison with contemporary "earthly" persons of his time. that's clear !
now have a nice weekend ! -- i like to take some "free" days for more private obligations and tasks ! furthermore i do hope, for some hours of joy and amusement ! will be back last week of september ! -- kindest regards as always: Bernie

[James]

Dear friends of Enoch,

jb} Let it not be forgotten that but for Enoch we would all be some wondering spirit looking in vain for an earth-being-to-be - for it was Bernies' good old ENOCH (Henoch) that told Noah of the eminence of the Flood.

But Oh woeful us, we have been mislead! Yes mislead, as we are looking in vain for Noah's Ark - said to be atop Mt. Ararat in eastern Turkey.
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It is not there my good and loyal friends - it is here - The Earth is the Ark!
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Step out My friends
And you shall see
A sight as Grand
As Grand can be!

For here you are
On Noah's Ark
Never having known
That you'd embarked!

300 Cubits,
By Fifty and Thirty
One more for a Window
Ever so thrifty.

Three Stories of Gopher Wood,
Doth The Lord say,
And seal it with Pitch
For a later day.

But Lo _ my Friend
As I view your Boat
It is Not Long
Like an ancient Moat!

Three stories high the Ark was made
The Core, The Mantle, and the Atmosphere.
The Iron and Pitch, and Food of sorts,
Every Living Creature and a system of Counts!

Two birds went aloft when the rains abated
A Dove and a Raven, across the land Created.
Twice to return, the Dove alone,
Yet again _ Away its flown.

Pure folly some will say!
Well I'm not So Sure.
To some it offers Hope, To others, a Cure!
Perhaps by the Dove, Or the Raven, For Sure.

jimbow
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[Charlotte]

bernhard said:

Dear CHARLOTTE, (LOL), i did not want to insult the good old ENOCH (Henoch) by calling him an unskilled man, no-no, i wanted to express the incredible deep-going, probably nearly shocking experience, when this man with the knowledge of his (!) time, of course with absolute NO knowledge of the high-tech background of a space-station, was suddenly ( = no time for a mentally -"preparation-process" ) confrontated with the impression of a total other world, with the supernatural atmosphere of a wold of "supernatural beings" and their oustanding knowledge and science. and compared with this applied super-knowledge, demonstrated by these "heavenly" beings or entities, the man Enoch could feel as a very "poor" unskilled man. not in comparison with contemporary "earthly" persons of his time. that's clear !

Hi Bernhard,

You say that Enoch was suddenly confronted with the impression of a total new world, a supernatural atmosphere, supernatural beings with super and outstanding knowledge of science?

I never heard of such a theory in all mt life! It couldn't mean that Enoch had a vision or was transported into an other dimension because you write it as it were an occurrance on terra firma. Who was the brain that came up with all you wrote in the above paragraph?

I have the 'Book of Enoch' the Prophet, translated literally from the Ethiopic by Richard Laurence, LL.D.

"The Book of Enoch is now usually designated I Enoch, to distinguish it from the later Apocalypse, 'The Secrets of Enoch' which is known as II Enoch. The former is also called the Ethiopic Enoch, the later the Slavonic Enoch, after the language of the earliest versians exant of each respectively. The Book of Enoch , like the Book of Daniel, was written originally in Aramaic and partly in Hebrew.

"According to Canon Charles, the various elements of which the Book of Enoch in its present form is made up belong to different dates. Thus one can expect a diversity of authorship, and of these this can be no shadow of doubt. However, while there is no unity of authorship, there is, none the less, uniformity. Several scholars suggest we should speak of the collection as the 'Books' of Enoch, not the 'Book' of Enoch.

"Some of the authors of the Book of Enoch (and there were many) belonged to the true succession of the prophets, and it was simply owing to the evil character of the period, in which their lot was cast, that they were obligated to issue their works pseudonymously. The Law which claimed the highest and final word from God could tolerate no fresh message from God, so when men were moved by the spirit of God to make known their visions relating to the past, the present, and the future they did so under some ancient name.

"Not only does the Bok of Enoch come from many writers and almost as many periods, it touches upon every subject that could have arisen in the ancient schools of the prophets."

Now that makes sense to me. In your version you talk of Enoch as if he was a man who witnessed heavenly phenomena, but then you live in Nürnberg lol. The words themselves that Enoch lived for 365 days, walked with God and WAS NOT, and that the Book was written by prophets, suggest that Enoch was not an uninlightened man, but an era, so to speak, and notice that the name Noah is but an interchange of letters, and the flood was a cleansing of the collective human psyche, not water flooding the earth. I'm not saying there were no floods on earth.

now have a nice weekend ! -- i like to take some "free" days for more private obligations and tasks ! furthermore i do hope, for some hours of joy and amusement ! will be back last week of september ! -- kindest regards as always: Bernie

Hope you have a pleasant time and much sunshine

Charlotte

[Charlotte]

Hi jimbo,

I for one was never mislead to think that the ark is stuck on Mt. Ararat. That's just the version of men, who, fascinated by the dead letter, run all over creation to be the first to discover that which is not to be found on our planet.

"It is not there my good and loyal friends - it is here - the Earth is the Ark!

You learned that from me lol.

As you know the Ark story has to do with with a planetary catastrophy described in flood myths by many peoples, among them the Egyptians, the Hopi, Gurdjieff, and as of late in the Startreck episode "Search for Spok", and it could not be more clear:

"In those days Noah saw that the earth became inclined, and that destruction approached. Then he lifted up his feet, and went to the ends of the earth, to the dwelling of his great grandfather, Enoch. And Noah cried with a bitter voice: Hear me: three times. And he said: tell me what is transacting upon this earth; for the earth labors, and is violently shaken. Surely I shall perish with it."

Its all been said before and can be found out by anyone who inter-rests in those things. Hell will freeze over before our researchers find find the Ark on some mountain.

Nice poem!

Only time will tell whether I will be you good and loyal friend

Charlotte

[James]

Hello all,

jb} Recall that the sidereal year (used by Kepler in forming the laws of planetary motion) is measured (as if you were at the center of the sun) and was timing the orbital circuit of the Earth (start to finish) against some star in the sky.

What we want to do now (because we're demonstrating that Kepler was using the ancient sciences) is to go back in history - and find the first instance the sidereal year is mentioned.

When we do this, what we'll find (as I and others, who I'll name in a later post, have found) -- is that it's first mentioned in relation to the Sothic Cycle or Sothic number 1461. The Sothic number being an ancient Egyptian concept.

Conventional thought in relation to the Sothic number, unfortunately, is flawed as it follows the thinking of the early cults - which defines the Sothic number, hence the Sothic cycle as being a period of 1461 (years) - and that is incorrect.

jb

CE, MBA, and the author of "The Gods

[James]

Hello Charlotte and all

Charlotte wrote} You learned that (the earth is my ark) from me lol.

jb} Don't recall that - but if I did you had to tell me before September 17, 2000, because that is when I wrote, The Earth is My Ark© and put it up on the web!

Here is the original poem in it's entirety:The Earth is My Ark© JamesBowles September 17, 2000

You would also have had to know (as it's in the original poem) that the ancient Egyptians knew the speed of light!

Now the Earth from the Sun
Is a distance Far
93 million miles
I measure so far.

But across the Orbital Circle
Ever so Chill
186,000,000 miles
It is further still.

But written on Stone so well Embossed
The Heavenly message almost lost.
"I call the Thousands,
And the Sun-Folk Cross!" ¹

So by the Thousands Ever so Bright
To Penetrate the Darkness of the Night
Came 186,000
At the Speed of Light.

love and peace jimbow

1.} From (§ 1565) The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts, "I summon a thousand, and the sun-folk come to me bowing."
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[James]

Hello All,

jb} I've been presenting the scientific principles (all dating prior to 1 B.C.) that Kepler used in establishing his laws of planetary motion

My objective (in preparation to presenting ancient planetary accretion theory) was to establish the fact that the ancient sciences were easily capable of developing such a theory.

If the ancients were right - and I assure you they were - earth is NOT 4.5 billion years old

Earth is a product of (geologically recent) planetary accretion.

jb
CE, MBA, and the author of The Gods
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[Charlotte]

Hi jimboe,

Just kidding when I said you learned that from me. That the Ark is the earth was told to me at least 15 years ago, but I'm glad you found it out for yourself, the best way of knowing a thing.

As far as I can tell, the famous "Ancients" knew much more than we do today. I am listening for the earth being a product of geologically recent planetary accretion. How recent in you estimation?

Thanks

Charlotte

[James]

You know you ask a very interesting question Charlotte!

Let me answer it this way. IMO, the world will be told and will accept planetary accretion in the near future - because NASA cannot keep playing Footsie while scientists are dreaming up experiments (that could leak out to the public) and vendors are busily making hardware to explore new worlds, when those worlds show all the signs of having been formed by accretion.
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The same goes for oil as a fossil fuel. Eventually the learned and their brethren will be forced to acknowledge that oil comes from methane and natural gases that are in immense abundance inside our orbiting Ark.

At this point there is too little known - and certainly we don't know how the inner rocky materials form during accretion - so we cannot age them properly. In Stacy's, The Physics of the Earth for instance, he speaks of planetary accretion in regard to the composition of the core and the probability that it's either a Si-Fe or Mg-Fe. We don't hear of such things but behind the scenes - things are on-going.

But is it the traditionalist's six thousand? IMO - I think not!

jb
CE, MBA, and the author of "The Gods."

[James]

Hello all,

In virtually every civilization in the ancient world there were honors given and gods deified (little g) in the name of the planet Jupiter; with the noted exception of the Dogon who (for reasons unknown) honored Sirius (a.k.a., Sothis)

Jove, Osiris the King, Zeus, and (like Horus of the Gods, who was born from the planet Jupiter) - there was Athene who was born fully grown from the forehead of Zeus, a.k.a., Jupiter.

We shouldn't call this myth or legend - because the honors were their culture - and is drawn on stone, scribed in their temples and painted on the papyri. Their calendars were based on the 365.25 day Sothic year, (which in-turn was determined by the heliacal rising of Sothis) - and by use of the Sothic number (1461) which was the time duration of the Sothic year.

Kepler used Earth's Sothic number (1461), and the Sothic number of Mars (2672.7) as determined by the Danish nobleman and quantitative data genius Tycho Brahe (1546-1601), in determining the orbital characteristics of the planets and in formulating the 2nd Law.

Kepler's 2nd Law} "If an imaginary line is drawn from the sun to the planet, the line will sweep out equal areas in space - in equal periods of time - for all points in the orbit."


jb
CE, MBA, and the author of "The Gods."
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[Charlotte]

Hi jimbow,

The reason I asked this question is because you wrote in your post, Sept. 17,

"If the ancients were right - and I assure they were - earth is NOT 4.5 million years old.

"Earth is a product of (geologically recent) accretion."

It "sounded" to me as if you knew. In the next post you ask:

"But is it the traditonalists six thousand? IMO I think not."

I assume you mean Bishop Ussher's creation of the world in 4004 BC. There must be another reason why he so stated, perhaps an "earthshaking" event either geologically or in the collective consciousness of humanity of which he was aware. I don't know but it wouldn't be hard to find out. Otherwise, to say that the earth is six thousand years old would be foolish.

As to your last post, I can't do anything with your Jupiter theory because I don't know just how you arrived at it, but there are 2 Zeus, and one personifies cosmic law and father of all gods. It is a subject of its own. I think it is known why the Dogon honered Sirius, yet another thread. When "listening" to them, one hears that their priests were also Initiates.

What I want to address is planetary accretion. You say that "the world will be told and will accept planetary accretion in the near future." I assume by NASA when scientists get tired of playing "Footsie."

It is only logical that a planet or any heavenly body form by accretion. This is known since the begining of recorded history, and I don't mean the re-recording of history as we know it, but history recorded and stored in the libraries of eternal lore. Pardon me but I love poetry.

The principle of every body from a molecule, already an accretion or aggregate, to the cosmos being formed from within without can be seen in our own spiral galaxy with it's luminous centre, and in our own body microcosm, the heart being its luminous centre. Since we are also talking about the Bible, Jesus and his mother are shown pointing to their shining hearts where the lesser sun resides. The human body begins forming with heart, but the first thing is the impulse. The ancient teachings state that th pulse of the universe in the greater is the pulse of the human heart in the lesser. We can't see the galactic centre owing to the "dust cloud", but we can know our compound nature, the "Know Thyself" of ancient.

So yes, accretion is the thing.

You have to bear with me, if you want to , as I can never throw out a few comments and then move on, letting all hang in thick air.

Charlotte

[Charlotte]

Good morning and a great day!

You write, jimbow, (Stacy) " . . . as to the composition of the core and the probability that it's either a Si-Fe or Mg-Fe."

What are they?

"We don't know how the inner rocky material form during accretion so we can not age them properly."

In an intelligent universe, science has psychic photons and philosophy has spritual particles.

To my thinking, there has to be a desire to form any objective body for which consciousness or light is necessary, a conscious impulse, the starting point which attracts what it needs according to its desired form and rejects the rest. It "piles" on substance and matter and grows in size as it spins through space. The more matter it gathers the harder the core has to become lest the core is crushed, it becomes rocky as in the mineral kingdom, the first. In the human form it's the ribcage.

How do worlds come into existence?

When NASA launched a space craft to fly through the tale of a comet (Statdust Mission), I remember distinctly one scientist saying that they may find that our planet and we have our beginning in stardust all the way down to the "iron core."

Comets

"The Central Sun causes Fohat to collect primordial dust in the form of balls, to impell them to move in converging lines and finally to approach each other and aggregate." (Book of Dzyan) . . . . . Being scattered in Space, without order or system, the world-germs come into frequent collision until their final aggregation, after which they become wanderers (Comets). Then the struggles begin. The older (bodies) attract the younger, while others repell them. Many perish, devoured by their stronger companions. Those that escape become worlds.

Madam Blavatzky, who adds in a footnote: "When carefully analyzed and reflected upon, this will be found as scientific as Science could make it, even in our late period."

Why do I quote Madam? Because we the people are subject to the same laws of attraction and repulsion, converge upon each other, come into frequent collision with each other, old man attract young girls any way they can lol, we aggregate to become two, a family, a nation, a humanity, and the stronger kill the weaker. Man is not only the measure of all things, but by him all things can be measured, and in him all things measured out.

So this makes sense to me, and if you live in the US you know what Judge Judy says a thousand times: "If it makes sense it is usually true", and vis-a-vis.

I wanted to give this quote of Madam's when we touched upon the UFO phenomena over Nürnberg in the "Hello" thread, where "dozends, if not hundreds, of crosses, globes and tubes fought each other above the city", and a student in Basel also saw "many large, black globes in the air, moving before the sun at great speed and turning against each other as if fighting. Some of them became red and fiery and afterwards faded and went out."

Other than meteor showers, I thought it was a manifestation of a collective memory because crosses and tubes don't fight. But then there was also mention of Ergot poisoning.

The way I see it, what you say, jimbow, what I say, the wisest phrases uttered by some and the least little bit of what anybody else says, including Daz' Nessie stuff , is all part of a collective desire to know our origin, purpose, and destiny.

Charlotte, somewhere in the learning curve.

[James]

Hi Charlotte,

re., all part of a collective desire to know our origin, purpose, and destiny.

jb} I like that because that's how I feel. But unfortunately there are those who would throw stones in the way - the debunkers, greedy folk, and those who will inherit the earth.

When I come back, I think I'll be a native person because I think I'd like to hear and feel the earth.

jb
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[Aurora]

For Latona, Dear Latona Son
It seems to me that this thread old of 2 years exactly to the day contains many analogies with your thread next door on the Mystery Board of what we are currently discussing at the moment :-)