Was Jupiter Nuked ?

[Don Barone]

Hi All:

In the middle of September a decision culminated in the Galileo spacecraft plunging into the Jovian atmosphere. About a month later a mysterious back spot appeared on the surface of Jupiter. I always thought that they may be connected. Apparently so do others. Please read this very interesting article.

Did NASA Accidentally “Nuke” Jupiter?

Best Regards
Don Barone

[coggas]

Greetings,

Osiris said that it's a plan to ignite Jupiter. So I say let's get this mother cookin', and when I say mother, that ain't a lie, because Jupiter is the new sun, for her own family of planets and in time those planets will have their own moons and life and the universe continues...As Above So Below.

Yet whom is responsible for world creation and maintainence ? Surely not us humble beings, perhaps we have some friends over to stay.....

Thought for the day, Cogga's.

[Charlotte]

Hi Don,

Interesting article. I don't follow these, or many other things "out there" in the jungle, so true, I'm naive as to the thoughts and actions of scientists at NASA, the hidden agenda of polititions and corporations all over the world, as well as God knows how many other organizations. That is to say, I'm naive as to the "particulars", because I can, just by watching the news, get an overall picture of intent by the carefully minced wording of spokes persons. Obviously, it's all about money and power, the latter being "the greatest aphrodisiac" according to Henry Kissinger. Listening to him I just cringe. Don't mean to sound arrogant, but the bottom line is, I see right through all this s*&#, turn away and go back to my own little universe of idealism and dreaming the possible dream. It's called escaping from the "real world", but if quantum physics is correct, and I do think it is, our world, individually and collectively, is "observer creates." It follows then, that the world I have created for myself thus far, I re-create with every new thing I learn, above and below.

As far as I know, the cause of this "power consciousness", to which mostly men are host, though many women, desiring equality fall into the same trap, is Lucifer making big promises, and here we are, but that's another story.

Hi coggas,

This brings me to your question as to who "is responsible for world creation and maintainence." I learned the "Elohim, those who sought to create matter"are, and realizing the mistakes they made, they keep coming back "to try to straighten out the mess they made of things."

I would appreciate if you could say a few words on this subject, as well as Jupiter being the new sun with "her own family of planets, and in time those planets will have their own moons and life and the universe continues ... As Above So Below." A beautiful and far-reaching sentence.

I also want to say that my first post to you was meant as a sort of friendly, generic greeting . . .

Charlotte




spokes persons

[coggas]

Hi Charlotte,

This is a subject that leads to many hours of contemplation ( over years ! )...

"world creation and maintainence" is coined from G.I.Gurdjieff and as far as I can see it is the most complete 'history' of the Universe that I have come across. The trouble is that his work "Beezibubs's Tales to his Garandson" is a work of fiction....but perhaps more and more a work of allegory, as seems to becoming apparent to me...the more I read more recent books, the more I say to myself, heard that before...and it gets worse because mixed in with the 2% of history is 100% of 'philosophy'.

Adrian Gilbert has studied G. ( Co-author with RB ), and points out in his own work that G. was searching for the 'Truth' and was looking for a long lost brotherhood...perhaps he found it, with a map of pre-sand Egypt along the way.

Congratulations on the Star.


Regards Cogga's.

[Charlotte]

Good morning Cogga's,

I would imagin that it takes many years of contemplation to see how life and the universe continues above and below.

I learned some of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky.

Expounding on Ouspensky's "Psychology of Man's Possible Evolution", a chemist by profession teacher of mine stated the following:

"Personality is 'of the earth, earthy' - it preserves as a role, simple or complex, which we play out as actors on the stage of life to achieve soul-growth which, in turn, feeds the more permanent spiritual Ego to increase Its power. The richer and more well - rounded the personality we develope during life, the greater will be the soul qualities distilled from it and the greater will be the increase in spiritual power of the Higher Ego which assimilates this 'soul - food.

Essence and Being are More Permanent Attributes - or features which set apart the 'inner' person from the superficial 'outer' man or women; and which are the treasures which we accumulate from life-to-life to build what we may call our 'Soul'.

Essence comes down from the Starry World - which, in the Vision of Hermes, was called 'the seed-ground of soul's'; personality arises out of the planetary world and is an investment which the Higher Ego makes to develop Its essence.

Our outer-life is a reflection of our inner-being - or, states otherwise, our being attracts our life events and invironment."

The same teacher agrees with you on the complexity of Gurdjieff's teachings, in which he found things nowhere else to be had. He thinks Gurdjieff's teachings rank among the best.

He stressed "self-awareness, the conscious shock's", amplified "The Law of the Seven Octaves", and explained our "Chief feature." He gave lenghty lectures on the "digesting of enzyme system", very complex and hard to follow, for me anyway.

The Aphorisms of Gurdjieff

Inscibed in a special script above the walls of the Study House at his Institute for the Harmonious Development of Man located at the Chateau du Prieure near Paris.

1. Like what "it" does not like.

2. The highest that a man can attain is to be able to do.

3. The worse the condition of life the more productive
the work, always provided you remember the work.

4. Remember yourself always and everywhere.

5. Remember you come here having already
understood the necessity of struggling with yourself -
only with yourself. Therefore thank everyone who
gives you the opportunity.

6. Here we can only direct and create conditions, but
not help.

7. Know that this house can be useful only to those
who have recognized their nothingness and who
believe in the possibility of changing.

8. If you already know it is bad and do it, you commit a
sin difficult to redress.

9. The chief means of happiness in this life is the ability
to consider externally always, internally never.

10. Do not love art with your feeling.

11. A true sign of a good man is if he loves his father
and mother.

12. Judge others by yourself and you will be rarely
mistaken.

13. Only help him who is not an idler.

14. Respect every religion.

15. I love him who loves work.

16. We can only strive to be able to be Christians.

17. Don't judge a man by the tales of others.

18. Consider what people think of you-not what they
say.

19. Take the understanding of the East and the
knowledge of the West - and then seek.

20. Only he who can take care of what belongs to
others may have his own.

21. Only conscious suffering has any sense.

Arghh, there are 38 of them, so I will post the rest tomorrow. And you probably say to youself, Cogga's, "heard that before", but why does it get worse when philosophy is mixed in with the 2% history? Do you mean that when you add your own philosophy to the 2% of history, your view is so vast as to hardly hold it in mind? Or, that things get worse when philosophy is mixed with history?

Your last comment about Adrian Gilbert having studied Gurdjieff, pointing out that the latter was searching for truth and a long lost Brotherhood, and that he may have found it along the way with a map of pre-sand Egypt, reminded me of another gentlemen from down under who calls himself "waterstone", whose words I quoted as from "the wonderful madman", the title by his own admission minus the wonderful, several times on Ma'at. Don posted his map, which he calls "The Nile Key". on GH. It too, is very complex and wonderful, maybe Don can post it on this board to keep it alive in our minds.

Sincerely

Charlotte

[Charlotte]

Hi everyone,

The remaining Aphorisms

22. It is better to be temporarly an egoist than never to be just.

23. Practice love first on animals, they are more sensitive.

24. By teaching others you will learn yourself.

25. Remember that here work is not for work's sake but is only a means.

26. Only he can be just who is able to put himself in the position of others.

27. If you have not by nature a critical mind your staying here is useless.

28. He who has freed himself of the desease of "tomorrow" has a chance to attain what he came here for.

29. Blessed is he who has a soul, blessed is he who has none, but woe and grief to him who has it in embryo.

30. Rest comes not from the quantity but from the quality of sleep.

31. Sleep little without regret.

32. The energy spent on active inner work is then and there transformed into fresh supply, but that spent on passive work is lost forever.

33. One of the best means for arousing the wish to work on yourself is to realize that you may die at any moment. But first you must learn how to keep it in mind.

34. Conscious love evokes the same in response. Emotional love evokes the opposite. Physical love depends on type and polarity.

35. Conscious faith is freedom. Emotional faith is slavery. Mechanical faith is foolishness.

36. Hope, when bold, is strenght. Hope, with doubt, is cowardice. Hope, with fear, is weakness.

37. Man is given a definite number of experiences - economizing them, he prolongs his life.

38. Here there are neither Russians nor English, Jews nor Christians, but only those who pursue one aim - to be able to be.

Gurdjieff


As an aside, three more things the teacher said in this lecture, combining quantum physics and the teachings of Hermes.

Space is an aspect of consciousness.
All events are aspects of mind.
Things left alone become more random.

Charlotte

[Joe S]

The whole craft would have burned up in the upper atmosphere long before any of it could have reached the lower, ultra-high pressure zones of the Jovian atmosphere.

The possibility of life on Europa, however, is not something to laugh at: it's certainly a possibility and I'm reasonably sure that NASA will land a probe there within the next few years.

Joe.

[coggas]

Hi Charlotte,

I appologise for my tardiness.

T'was watchin' at GH.com...interesting.

That's a hell of an email to reply to at once, I was approaching G. from the outside, but now that I see you are one of the Seekers OF Truth , well, it gets even better now.

I am familiar with Fontanbleu, but as you have kindly reminded me #14 is ( was ) a problem a few days ago, yet, now I feel better, good thank's to you.


4Now,


Cogga's.

[Charlotte]

Hi Cogga's,

I started it so I had to finish it, but wont take up so much of your time this time as "time is of the essence", a true phrase as far as I can tell.

"I am familiar with Fontanbleu, but as you have kindly reminded me #14 is (was) a problem a few days ago, yet, now I feel better, good thanks to you."

Likely, "it is in my manner not in my heart", which prevents me from being seen as a seeker of truth. It's a lingering childhood hangover.

Enchanted in a bomb crater.

I sought truth, or it sought me early in my life. In school, hearing names like Egypt, Nil, Abyssinia, Mesapotamia, Babylon, Nineveh, Euphrates, Tigris, etc., electrified me for no apparent reason, I felt I had discovered something marvelous but couldn't put my finger on it at the time. Rather than eating and playing during recess, I stood by the world map looking for those places, tracing the borders and rivers of the regions over and again, as if I was in love with all of it.

After school, I ran across the fields to my very own bomb crater, walked down and up a few times on the serpentine path I had made by pondering the names, one syllable at a time, Eu-phra-tes like, picking dandelion leaves and a few other eatable things growing within it's cone shape, ending at my place two feet or so above the waterline. There I sat enchanted by what I knew not amidst flowers and humming insects, watching dragon flies glide about, and tadpoles darting back and forth in what little water there was always on the bottom, day-dreaming, and wondering how they came to life from the dry soil when water touched them.

Day-dreaming also of going to those places someday, so day-dreaming could be considered a form of truth seeking, no? But now it's time to wake up and go to work.

Charlotte

[Charlotte]

Hi Cogga's,

I started it so I had to finish it, but wont take up so much of your time this time as "time is of the essence", a true phrase as far as I can tell.

"I am familiar with Fontanbleu, but as you have kindly reminded me #14 is (was) a problem a few days ago, yet, now I feel better, good thanks to you."

Likely, "it is in my manner not in my heart", which prevents me from being seen as a seeker of truth. It's a lingering childhood hangover.

Enchanted in a bomb crater.

I sought truth, or it sought me early in my life. In school, hearing names like Egypt, Nil, Abyssinia, Mesapotamia, Babylon, Nineveh, Euphrates, Tigris, etc., electrified me for no apparent reason, I felt I had discovered something marvelous but couldn't put my finger on it at the time. Rather than eating and playing during recess, I stood by the world map looking for those places, tracing the borders and rivers of the regions over and again, as if I was in love with all of it.

After school, I ran across the fields to my very own bomb crater, walked down and up a few times on the serpentine path I had made by pondering the names, one syllable at a time, Eu-phra-tes like, picking dandelion leaves and a few other eatable things growing within it's cone shape, ending at my place two feet or so above the waterline. There I sat enchanted by what I knew not amidst flowers and humming insects, watching dragon flies glide about, and tadpoles darting back and forth in what little water there was always on the bottom, day-dreaming, and wondering how they came to life from the dry soil when water touched them.

Day-dreaming also of going to those places someday, so day-dreaming could be considered a form of truth seeking, no? But now it's time to wake up and go to work.

Charlotte

[coggas]

Hey Charolette,

C. said "day-dreaming could be considered a form of truth seeking"...it has come to my recent reasoning that imagination is our connection to the collective concienceness.

Cheers Cogga's.

[Don Barone]

Hi coggas and of course Charlotte.

We speak of day dreaming but what of dreams themselves ? Daughter and I often 'joke' that we leave this reality in our dreams and enter another realm. Sometimes we are exhausted even after 'sleeping' the entire night. Wifey thinks we are 'nuts' but we are not so sure ...

Cheers
Angleica and Daddy

[Charlotte]

Thanks for that gem indeed, Cogga's!


Welcome to the board Don lol. Are you staying now? I was somewhat worried, and seeing my name and face all over the board. Could you make my face smaller until I decide on an icon, please.

About dreams. I know you at least looked at my dream series at Ma'at because I remember a post of yours concerning "wishful thinking" category.

CC

[Don Barone]

Hi Charlotte ... [nee CC ]

I have changed the size of your image to 40 x 40 . I hope this is hokay. As to the post I made over at Ma'at in your dream thread all I can do is And yes hopefully I am back for a while.

Cheers
Donnie