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Post by Don Barone on Oct 18, 2003 20:37:11 GMT -5
Hi All: As we approach the 40th anniversary of what has to be the defining moment of my life I can't help but think back to that fateful November afternoon and reflect on how my life changed that day. Up until that moment I was just a 13 year old kid. The next day I was a 13 year old adult. It was a rather painful and tragic coming of age for most of us who lived through this event. No more was the world a joyful and happy and safe place for it now held unseen terror and unspeakable horrors that I had not even dreamed about. I'll always remember thinking if they can kill the President and get away with it how safe can I be. There have been very few since that day whom I have given my trust to. Long before Scully and Mulder were warning us, I already knew it. Please watch this flash I put together last year in a moment of reflection and re-live that tragic weekend with me once again: JFK: A DedicationMuch has changed in the world since these pictures were broadcast over the airways and since Walter Cronkite, fighting back tears, announced the death of President Kennedy. But much has remained the same. The same power brokers back then are still controlling the world around us and we are still mired in the muck that they began. I could do nothing back then but sit and try to understand why it happened. I am older now and I know all too well the reasons for this murder. It is greed and money and power and now I can do at least a little bit and try to keep the horror alive. I have often wondered why I just can't seem to let it go and to accept that it is finished. But I know why I can't. It lacks closure and and as I see the bush dynasty continue to wreak havoc and perpertrate atrocities on the world I wll never be still. Yet most say nothing and allow it to continue but I won't, at least not until I no longer have a breath to draw. I wish I could be in England in Novemeber when all of Britain will show bush exactly what the world thinks of this butcher. And to do it in the month of Kennedy's 40th anniversay is to me the ultimate insult to a man that they surely murdered and put in his grave. May the entire administration be damned for all times ! Don Barone |
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Post by Katherine on Oct 19, 2003 20:29:39 GMT -5
 I don't usually go for conspiracies .... but in this case things just stink too much .... I've read a number of books and things just don't make sense ... I think the ultimate insult to the intelligence of the average human has **got** to be the "Magic Bullet" theory .... how a single bullet can make that many path changes in mid air and go through so much body mass is just not possible .... I wasn't old enough to remember when JFK was murdered (I was three) .... I do remember when his brother Bobby was murdered (what a horrible year! ... ) ... and of course more recently with John died (which broke my heart more than I can ever say) .... And it worries me ........... who are the heros for today's children? ...........
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Post by Don Barone on Oct 19, 2003 21:12:43 GMT -5
Hi Kat ... "The Magic Bullit" was invented by Arlen Spectre and my heart skipped a beat when he was mentioned as a possible presidential candidate. Mercifully it never materialized. [Perhaps like Nixon they were afraid it would open too many wounds]. But the real tragedy transcends just this. It is the fact that "they" [the whores of the press as Sherman Skolnick likes to call them] actually at one point had probably 98% of the population believing it. Some still do. It is scary what "they" can make us believe. I remember something my mom said to me a very long time ago during the Cuban Missle crisis [which I did and still think was a real crisis although I don't think she did]. Upon reading the various news reports she looked at me after me asking if she was concerned and her saying, "they are always trying to scare us to keep us off guard and under their thumb". I thought she was nuts. Boy do I now realize how keen her insight was even this long ago. It is much more than just the bullit. It is Johnson destroying the car [or remodelling it] just hours after the incident. It is the limousine slowing down and allowing it all to take place. It is the change in the motorcade route. It is a lot of things and it would never succeed today. And then just as JFK Jr. started rocking the boat in an article in the previous issue of "George" he mysteriously goes down due to pilot error. He was also scheduled to announce his candidacy for either Senator of New York or even The Presidency [although my guess would have been first senator then president.] And still the people believe it all. Imgaine if you will if JFK had lived ... JFK wins in 1964 RFK wins in 1968 RFK wins in 1972 No Johnson, No Nixon, No Vietnam, no 1968 Democratic National convention with protestors being beaten almost to death. Probably no Kent State either. Perhaps even the love generation winning the day making world peace for a change instead of world wars. How different that reality and that universe might have been. I only hope and pray that in another reality and another universe this did indeed happen and hope there springs eternal for here, in this reality and this universe, hope is losing the day. Best Regards Don Barone |
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Post by Don Barone on Oct 19, 2003 22:39:19 GMT -5
ASSASSINATIONS OF THE 20th CENTURY--WHY? by Sherman H. Skolnick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 20th Century came to a close and those who procured political murders have not been heard from. Are there two sides to the story? If so, how far into the 21st Century will it take until we hear THEIR side articulated? And will the common people accept the explanations? In the past, I have attended sizeable meetings of political assassination researchers. At the beginning, many of those present greeted me friendly-like, even shook hands with me. During the meetings I asked sticky questions. So, my so-called "friends" and "acquaintances" hooted me down, demanded that I be silenced by being thrown out of the covention hall. What was it that so offended them? I asked questions about the financial explanation of political rub-outs. I wanted discussions of the economic forces FOR and AGAINST bloody deeds done. I dared, from an historical and intellectual stand-point, to ask if those who arranged political assassinations had any justification whatsoever? If so, what was it? Those in attendance, concerned about their book and lecture contracts, suddenly looked upon me as an ENEMY. "Turn off your tape recorder, Sherman", they shouted. I came with a small audio recorder in which I plugged a "shotgun microphone", that could pick up discussions thirty feet away and more. What scared them so, that they wanted to grab my wheelchair and roll me forcefully out of the place? Was it my long-nose microphone which to tape I obviously pointed at them like a gun? I did ask my questions to the speakers in a polite voice. At one meeting I asked Oliver Stone's chief researcher for his movie "JFK", whether the Rothschilds, friends of the Kennedy family, financed the 42 million dollar production. It ran in the Rothschild movie chain, Loew's. She glared at me. Later, when Oliver Stone himself showed up, she grabbed him by the arm, saying, "Don't talk to HIM!" Perhaps indulging me, because of my physical disability, Stone allowed me to point my mike at him as I asked a few questions and then she pulled him away. HERE ARE SOME ITEMS NEEDED TO BE DISCUSSED: If there were a well-educated populace to talk to, well-grounded in finance and history, and IF they would listen carefully, could those that were FOR political murder make a thoughtful, persuasive case? Through their monopoly press, the Establishment brain-washes us daily to their point of view. On all kinds of subjects. Why could they not run documentaries setting forth THEIR JUSTIFICATION for preserving themselves through political murders? Because WE are too stupid to understand? Because it would endanger the "powers-that-be"? What? Why? And they have to keep telling us each time, a "lone nut", a "lone assassin" did it? THE MURDER OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY, 1963: He was interfering with the Oil Cartel. He wanted to take away the IRS trick favoring them, the oil depletion allowance. He wanted REAL MONEY, not toilet paper from the Federal Reserve, a PRIVATE money ship masquerading as the U.S. Government central bank. A handful of ruling families own the Fed and profit from their issuance of Federal Reserve note "money" disguised as the "U.S. Dollar". Contrary to the U.S.Constitution, the Federal Reserve charges interest on their paper money issuance, benefitting certain ruling families. Kennedy was the first Catholic President of the U.S. Although labeling himself as only nominally a Catholic, he was perceived as being under the thumb of the Vatican. He violated Church Canon Law, however, by going along with the attack upon ANOTHER Catholic country, namely, Cuba. Some later explained JFK was tricked into the aborted invasion at the Bay of Pigs. Did his sin justify murder BY THE CHURCH? The Military Brass perceived him as soft on the Soviets, as a communist-sympathizer. Those who commit treason, so the logic goes, like JFK, are to be shot, right? Others now claim Kennedy was interfering with the future of the State of Israel, justifying them in snuffing him out. The book "Final Judgment" by Michael Collins Piper lays out a purported circumstantial case Israel was implicated in the murder of JFK. The book rejects, out of hand, what others claim, however, that Nazi war criminals were involved.[As documented by the late assassination researcher, Mae Brussell.] And the book does not explain how the U.S. Secret Service, the FBI, and the CIA, being the Protestant/Catholic Establishment,---how and why these espionage entities could have covered up all this FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE JEWS. JFK wanted to stop the war in South-East Asia, thus permitting, supposedly, the Soviet expansion to the Philippines and even to Australia, a former British prison colony. Kennedy was letting Dr. King rile up the country on racial issues. BUT OVERLOOKED: that JFK set loose in the U.S. that the era of the common man had arrived. A dangerous psychology, directly confronting the ruling families. And the ruling elite have a right, do they not, to assert their position by wiping out JFK? Fair is fair, right? How to deal with JFK? Make an example of him. In front of numerous witnesses, blow out his brains in an open car. The media, on orders, will trumpet, a "lone assassin did it!". And then, the lone assassin is himself murdered. Thereafter, America will continue to "prosper" with the aid of the oil monopoly. Don't oil developers have a right to get rich? Old man Rockefeller, founder of the infamous Standard Oil Trust, was allowed to murder competitors, right? Would we listen carefully to spokespersons of these interests? Why and how it was necessary, for the "public good", to blow away JFK? So that the U.S. could continue as a stable society.[Some details about the JFK murder are in the book "Farewell America" by James Hepburn. A best-seller in Europe, until recently it was not allowed to be sold by bookstores in the U.S. Censorship. I and one other person were the only ones in the 1970s to get the book into the U.S. I gave them away for small donations, at College lectures. Alas, no copies are available anymore through us.] To be continued ... |
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Post by Don Barone on Oct 19, 2003 22:42:34 GMT -5
ASSASSINATIONS OF THE 20th CENTURY--WHY? by Sherman H. Skolnick Part II MURDER OF MALCOLM X, 1965: The makers and shakers of America began to perceive him an an objectional Black Messiah, steering 11-1/2 per cent of America against the rest. He had a way of pointing with his finger which seemed to scare some folks. While under total surveillance of the American CIA, he traveled to Africa and the Moslem world, urging unity among the people of color there and in the U.S. Malcolm had a blunt way of confronting the American Establishment with the ways they enriched themselves by exploiting people of color. A growing number of Afro-Americans were listening. Preparing to start a speech in New York, Malcolm was gunned down at the meeting. The black man who bent down to examine him was actually part of a special New York secret police unit. Lone nuts were framed into prison. America's secret political police have their ways of stopping loud-mouths. FBI, IRS, CIA-trained local police. If a host of near-violent dirty tricks does not work, well, then violence is justified. To preserve the stability of society and finance, to continue the necessary fairy tale of Constitutional rights for everyone. The White Anglo-Saxon Protestants are the majority, are they not? And from THEIR standpoint, are they not entitled to prevail against all dangerous challengers? The apparent motto against smart mouths, "Buy them or bleed them". [See my story about the reported role of Rev. Jesse Jackson in the murder of Dr. King.] THE MURDER OF DR.MARTIN LUTHER KING, Jr.: The heads of America's secret political police, the FBI and the CIA, perceived Dr. King as a Black Messiah. Dangerous to stable society and set to make impossible demands upon the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant majority. In their view, Dr. King was interfering with U.S. Foreign Policy. In 1967, a year before they snuffed him out, Dr. King gave a speech. He announced he intended to go to Viet Nam to tell Black GIs they should not be there murdering yellow-skinned people in someone else's civil war. In other words, inciting a black soldiers mutiny. At that time, although only 11-1/2 per cent of the U.S. population, the blacks constituted 26 per cent of the American military in S.E. Asia and a similarly large per centage of the casualties. The view of the "powers-that-be" was to deal with the rising expectations of American blacks, "Send the blacks to the Asian jungles to die, so they don't come back". Thus eliminating the need of "equal rights", "college enrollments for blacks" and such. Besides, the head of America's Gestapo, the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover, repeatedly falsely claimed Dr. King was a Communist, thus justifying he be murdered as a subversive. Rev. Jesse Jackson, a reputed FBI stool pigeon all his adult life, was reportedly chosen BY THE FBI to replace Dr. King BEFORE THE FBI MURDERED KING. This choice made, according to reportedly suppressed records of the House Subcommittee on Assassinations, 1975-76. [See my story about The Murder of Dr. King, Unspoken details, and the reported role of Rev.Jesse Jackson.] As to the secret military team as well as civilian assassins who targeted Dr. King on that fatal day in April, 1968---see the book, "Orders to Kill" by Stephen F. Pepper. The book became the basis for the Memphis jury verdict in 1999, that there WAS a conspiracy to assassinate Dr. King. But the question remains: could those in favor of the murder, make out a persuasive case that it was necessary for the stablity of the U.S.and to preserve U.S. foreign policy and prevent a possible mutiny by black soldiers? MURDER OF ROBERT F. KENNEDY, 1968: He had a way of charming the underdogs of America, endangering the ruling elite. In 1967, he set off a scandal by identifying ruling families aiding dirty tricks of the American CIA through Foundation fronts. [See New York Times Index for 1967, summarizing the CIA Foundation mess. We followed up on that showing such foundations financed provocateurs to try to discredit the Viet Nam Peace Movement. Hillary Rodham Clinton became the board chairman of such a Foundation in 1990, the New World Foundation.] Although silent about the murder of his brother John(1963), and the attempted murder by a sabotage plane crash of brother Teddy (1964), Bobby in his heart of hearts obviously vowed revenge. A natural feeling. If elected President, Bobby would get to the bottom of those who bloodied his family. A few moments after he won the crucial California Presidential Primary, June, 1968, Bobby was gunned down. The press whores, on signal proclaimed a "lone nut did it, Sirhan Sirhan". Yet the local coroner later testified the fatal bullets were shot a few inches away from Bobby's head. Sirhan was never closer than 8 feet. The documentary movie "The Second Gun" by Theodore Charach, an eyewitness, was suppressed and bottled up for many years. [Among the corrupt, CIA-trained Los Angeles police that covered up the RFK murder, were some of the same ones that framed O.J. Simpson for a double murder.] The arrangers of an assassination researcher convention, in Chicago, 1993, did two things that greatly puzzled me: [1] They said they are inviting the mass media to a press conference. I said I would right there at the convention confront the press fakers to their face with their lies about "lone assassin". "If you do that, Sherman, I intend to call the police and have you arrested", so threatened the marketing expert who came up with big bucks to arrange that convention and supervise it. I wanted to attend the rest of the meeting, so I relented. I asked myself repeatedly, "Who ARE these people with the deep pockets arranging these assassination research conventions? Are they performing a test, to see if the public is really interested in all this?" And [2] They told me to inform my friend, Theodore Charach (His movie "The Second Gun"), that if he shows up for the meetings, he will be arrested. I was told, "Charach talks too loud". I protested in vain, "He has an interesting documentary to show". The blunt reply from the convention boss, "I repeat, Sherman, if you arrange to have Charach come here, you and he will both be arrested." I got into big trouble when I joined with another convention participant and began investigating who set up the assassination research convention in Chicago. So, somewhere in the 21st Century, are those who procured these political murders, going to make a persuasive case that the bloody deeds were essential to the survival of the United States as a stable society? And would the common people somehow be brainwashed into accepting these justifications? As to the sabotaged plane crash used to murder John F. Kennedy, Jr., see my four part series: "What Happened to America's Golden Boy" and study the establishment rationale for it. Moderator's note: Make sure you read all four parts. |
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Post by Don Barone on Nov 16, 2003 7:47:45 GMT -5
Hi All:
As we get ever closer to the 40th anniversary of the defining moment in my life here are a couple of observations I would like to make.
1) Was Lee Harvey Oswald actually charged with the murder of JFK ? The last thing I remember about this is a question being put to Lee Harvey Oswald as he was being led through the corridors of the jail and him saying in response to that particular question from a reporter: 'No I have not been charged with that [the assassination]. All reports in the press these days [see CNN Presents webpage] state that he was charged with The President's murder. I am curious when exactly the charges were layed [laid ?] as I do not remember this.
2) How many times did Ruby shoot Oswald ? Seems to me I recollect once yet when one listens to the actual recording in the basement as he was being readied to go to the Dallas county Jail I distinctly hear TWO shots. A minor point maybe but one has to ask how did Ruby manage to get two shots off.
And as this time approaches one also has to remember brother Bobby and his assassination. Allegedly by Sirhan Sirhan from across the room yet the forensic evidence is explict. Bobby was shot from point blank range in the head. How did Sirhan mange that from across the room.
Point being I guess that the dark forces I often speak of started a spiral a long, long time ago. And where did these murders take palce ? Dallas which brought us Lyndon and two bushes and Los Angeles [California] which brought us Nixon and Reagan. You be the judge.
Regards
Don Barone
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Post by Earache on Nov 16, 2003 10:07:00 GMT -5
It changed my life also Don. Funny thing nothings changed. Their still killing for controll. Nows its whole countries,peoples and ideas. Power corrupts , absolute power, absolutely corrupts. There is an exception to that! GOD
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Post by Joe S on Nov 26, 2003 2:22:20 GMT -5
>>1) Was Lee Harvey Oswald actually charged with the murder of JFK ? <<
No, but he was about to be after they tied the rifle found in the School Book Depository to him. In any case, why does it matter if he was formally charged or not? He was the only suspect in custody. I happen to think he did fire 3 shots at Kennedy's motorcade, but there's no way he could have hit the target all 3 times with that rifle in the time it took. I think the first hit was from Oswald and the others had to be from other gunmen.
>>2) How many times did Ruby shoot Oswald ?
How about: none :-). Seriously, Don, how do you know if Oswald was really killed in that incident. How do you know he was really Oswald?
>>And as this time approaches one also has to remember brother Bobby and his assassination. Allegedly by Sirhan Sirhan from across the room yet the forensic evidence is explict. Bobby was shot from point blank range in the head.<<
I'm not sure where you got that from, Sirhan was about 3 feet away when he fired.
Joe.
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Post by Don Barone on Nov 26, 2003 7:12:10 GMT -5
Hi Joe_s ... You wrote: Good point and I don't. However I will try to find the recording from the basement and you can listen for yourself. You also wrote: Actually according to "Farewell America" he never got closer than 8 feet. Regardless there were powder burns on the back of RFK's head. Only possible if the gun was fired from within an inch or two. Curious about where you got the figure 3 feet.  Caption: Test firing into cloth, showing that the weapon was fired at point-blank range. The RFK AssassinationAs Ever, a ConspiracySIMPLE FACTS ABOUT THE RFK ASSASSINATION Quoted from this page: As I posted on another site, 'Some trust in chariots, better those than the lies of america' And for those who wonder why I can not let it lie, remember the forces which did this and JFK's murder are very much alive and flourishing it the usa today. Regards Don Barone |
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Post by Joe S on Nov 27, 2003 17:27:41 GMT -5
>>Curious about where you got the figure 3 feet.
Er, Don, dd you read the piece you quoted in your own post:?:
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consensus Sirhan's gun never got closer than three feet away. "
The powder burns are an issue, as is the alleged destruction of evidence by the LAPD that there were more shots fired than could be held by Sirhan's gun. I think that Sirhan's own beaviour was indicative of someone who was either heaviliy medicated, drunk, or under hypnosis (but I'm no physician). In any case, he did fire a gun at Bobby K, he did hit him more than once and he is serving time for it.
Joe.
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Post by Don Barone on Nov 27, 2003 18:22:22 GMT -5
Hi Joe ...
You wrote:
From the books I have read nowhere does it state that any of the bullits which hit RFK were traced to the gun Sirhan is alleged to have fired.
The city of Los Angeles is hoping Scott Enyart will go away. They have spent over double the amount of the award given to Mr. Enyart for the city's destruction of the pictures he took of the RFK murder. After all, it isn't their money. The city is appealing and the appeal process could take up to two years to go through. They seem determined to spend the people's money towards that goal. Interest is mounting on the award and it could get near the million dollar mark by the time the case is settled.
But is this case about money? For Scott it surely can't be. If he gets the full amount today, he will be approximately $l00,000 short. Yes, he has spent more than he will receive. True, there could be a book deal but what if the book doesn't sell? Scott Enyart, like Jefferson Smith in MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON, won't let authority run roughshod over him.
Is this hero worship? Maybe. It takes guts to take on the powers who continue to cover up the RFK assassination. Scott's life has been threatened, his attorney's life has been threatened, his attorney's wife received a phone threat against her husband. To go through with this does take guts.
Why don't we quickly go through the pertinent evidence? RFK was shot from the back at point blank range three times. Sirhan was in front of the senator. [/u]Someone else, most probably Eugene Thane Caesar, a security guard, was the killer. He was behind RFK and the senator fell on him. Scott and several others saw Caesar get up with his drawn gun. One of the three shots was in RFK's back. Yet, LAPD never seriously questioned Caesar, nor did they take his gun or give him a paraffin test to determine if he had fired a gun. Somewhere in the neighborhood of seventeen witnesses saw a "woman in a polka dot dress" with Sirhan. One witness saw her with a man who had a gun in a newspaper. She was heard to say "We got him". LAPD contends she didn'texist. A sergeant Rodriguez handled the "polka dot business." One of thethings he told witnesses, according to Professor Philip Melanson, was that each of them was the only one who saw that woman!
Scott Enyart, to the satisfaction of the jury, was in the pantry taking pictures of the murder. Since Robert Kennedy was shot point blank in the back, Mr. Enyart's photos would most likely have shown the killer. Those photos were taken and never returned to Scott Enyart.
Does any of this sound like a cover-up? Commissioner (Emily) Elias wouldn't allow Mr. Enyart's lawyers to present evidence of a police cover-up! That goes to motive for why his pictures are missing! Amazing...
--Al Benson [/i]
Just the facts man, just the facts.
Don Barone
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Post by Joe S on Nov 29, 2003 18:16:00 GMT -5
There is much that remains questionable about RFK's assasination. One point of interest about Sirhan: he was very interested in the Occult and joined the US Rosicrucian Society in 1967. He was born into a Jordanian Christian family. In light of that, his supposed hatred of Israel and concern for the fate of Palestinian muslims seems a little far-fetched (if you doubt the level of hostility that exists between Eastern Christians and Muslims, just do a web-search). Here's an article you might find interersting (personally, I think he tries to tie too many different strands together, but there is some truth to the MK-Ultra mind-control program): www.clydelewis.com/dis/circus/circus.htmlJoe. |
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Post by Don Barone on Nov 29, 2003 19:25:14 GMT -5
Hi Joe ...
Interesting article and thanks. I did not know about the Unabomber and his ties to mind control experiments. Scary stuff.
Best Regards
Don Barone
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Post by BERNHARD on Feb 20, 2007 8:28:05 GMT -5
Dear DON , James and Others ! a not known before private movie , taken at Dallas during the visit of JFK and Jackie, just recently was given by Wayne Graham to the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas ! the amateur who filmed these private sequences in a real good quality (!!) was a certain George JEFFERIES ! he filmed the president and his wife less than 90 seconds before the famous terrible event , while the presidents convoy was passing the main-street at Lamar ! -- hmm, brings back so sad memories ! well, more details at: www.jfk.org/ ---- best regards: Bernie |
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Post by BERNHARD on May 18, 2007 9:43:18 GMT -5
DEAR ALL, a very recent SCIENTIFC study ( published in: Annals of Applied Statistics ) came to the clue, that there might have been a SECOND SHOOTER , not Lee Harvey Oswald alone as actor ! and those scientists also ask for another total new high-tec examination of the available 5 bullet-fragments from the Dallas-murder in 1963 ! so please look here at: www.imstat.org/aoas/next_issue.html --- scroll down and select the article " Chemical and forensic analysis of JFK assassination bullet lots: Is a second shooter possible? " written by: Clifford Spiegelman, William A. Tobin, William D. James, Simon J. Sheather, Stuart Wexler, and D. Max Roundhill best regards, and have a nice weekend ! *** Bernie *** |
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Post by Charlotte on May 21, 2007 6:09:27 GMT -5
Wo bistn Du oiwai, schtressns di wida recht  Bernhard, I clicked on the link and argh it's a pdf file so it has to go on the backburner. Anyway, many years ago, my artist friend drew an interesting picture of the event "Dart Veda on the grassy knoll"  Charlotte |
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Post by BERNHARD on Sept 20, 2007 6:52:04 GMT -5
Dear ALL, the german TV-company ZDF actually aired a new documentation, providing new proofs, that it was the american mafia, esp. the mafia clan chief from New ORLEANS, Calogero Minacori alias Carlos Marcello, who gave the order to kill the president of the USA, JFK ! Marcello did this in harmony with two other mafia chiefs. and Lee Harwey Oswald was only one of the shooters, ( in cooperation with another one (or even two shooters?)) , and was not an alone-worker, not killing JFK by more private emotions or reasons, but by mafia order ! ( and money ) . the ZDF-team got new access to FBI-archives, finding the protocol of statements given by Carlos Marcello in 1985. moreover the famous Zapruder-movie was again analyzed by means of high-tec, with the surprising result, that the first shot was done even BEFORE Oswald was capable to see the president, his car, having the focus to fire on him ! the CIA helped to manipulate all the following forensic studies, includig the autopsy of the president. some imporant material was faked. an important negative role played the CIA vice-director Richard Helms, paying also a bad part in the Watergate affair. not well known: four days ago, the mafia planned a very simular concepted attack on JFK, at Tampa (Florida) , but the FBI could block this ! well, so far ! those who are familiar with the german language, may read this: ============================================== www.heute.de/ZDFde/inhalt/15/0,1872,5590735_idDispatch:7000218,00.html www.focus.de/politik/ausland/tid-7436/kennedy-mord_aid_133096.html -- some pages ! ********************************** greetings from bavaria : Bernie - still alive |
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 21, 2007 8:47:48 GMT -5
Glad you're still alive Bernie, I'm about an hour late for work, so I will give my 2 cents worth tomorrow.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 23, 2007 7:12:59 GMT -5
Grias de Bernhard, Not persuing the subject, I literally have only 2 cents worth. I remember the Zapruder film being shown on TV, and examined, and there was talk about the Mafia, but it was so long ago, and the whole thing petered out after a while. You write: "not well known: four days ago, the mafia planned a very similar concepted attack on JFK, at Tampa (Florida) but the FBI could block this." Did you mean 4 days ago now, on somebody else, or 4 days prior to the assassination of JFK? This is just a general question, as I don't want to know or follow the ways of the Mafia. There is a new series on TV about a "Cuban" mafia starting this month, which, judging by the snippets advertising it, is the same abhorrent, outworn, boring, stupid in language and acting, and lame story of intrigue, sex, and murder, I detest. Just what the public needs more of I have good news It was pouring yesterday for a couple of hours in Southern California and we were soooo happy because there was much talk of mandatory water rashioning huh. Hope all is well with you and Bavaria, pretty soon great nature will sleep for a while, and hopefully the overheated psyche of humanity will cool down as well. Servus Lotte |
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 24, 2007 7:51:21 GMT -5
Hi again Bernie,
I remember well those mild late summer days when the sun shines through a mist creating this "milky light effect" and a mystical feeling, the same sensation one gets at dusk when out in nature, no human noise.
Why are you so interested in the Mafia and JFK's assassination?
Servus
Lotte
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Post by Don Barone on Sept 24, 2007 14:09:37 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte ...
We are coming up on 44 years and srangely it was 44 years after my first visit to Holland that I went again and may have been the cause of my "rebirth" shall we say ... 44 possibly sacred, I don't know for sure.
However it was not the mafia Bernie ... It was the neocons who are now controlling the puppet bushfraud. Call them Puppet Masters if you will. They control the world and play war games and monopoly and all the other silly games of our youth only they play them for real and in reality.
Kennedy was the first in a series of liquidations that culmianted in the murder of JFK Jr. and included John Lennon (because of his danger to those who wanted war. The man had the nerve to preach peace. and for that he was killed)
Anyway I have to calm down now.
Watch for a thrid party candidate to run to split the Democratic vote. Possibly Al Gore on an independent ticket.
bushfraud and company unfortuantely, despite all the poles and what all the people are saying will win again. It is our destiny. The world is fast racing toward 2012.
1914 days left.
Best
Don Barone
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 25, 2007 9:08:04 GMT -5
Hi Don and Bernhard, I used to talk politics some, I can't anymore - refuse to be swept into that swamp I see and hear, as evident again yesterday at Columbia University, vulgar insults for Guest Speaker Ahmadinejad, instead of civilized dialog to promote understanding and reconciliation for the good of humanity, and here as in Iran the crowd whipped into frenzy by abject ignorance, the cause of which, I say it again, is first and foremost the dead letter of the word interpretation of ancient and religious teachings on all sides. If not for that vast and deep abominataion overwhelming all nobility and common sense of the human soul, we could make progress. As Gurdijeff said, ours is the only planet in the solar system, or universe, where three-brained beings of "that" nature exist. I would say it is our fate as in the immutable law of retribution, karma, we are reaping the whilrwind, and the signs of the times are many that it will blow us away in 1914 days. Our destiny are the stars, Don, whence we came, from the light or photon through diversified matter back to the light of self-consciousness, i.e., the star, to become a god, the Egyptians and Hamlet say so I want to earn and have, eventually, one million stars under my name, you know As I saw over the years, the number 4, 44, 4:40 or 4:44 in the morning when I read your posts, and some e-mails etc., can't remember all of them at the moment, is active in your life. The number of posts yesterday on this board was 4444. To be wholly self-conscious is to star in one's universe which one IS. It's better than not to be  so let's be calm and shine on it! Charlotte |
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Post by BERNHARD on Sept 28, 2007 9:43:48 GMT -5
Dear Charlotte, yes, its my opinion of not having been the right way, to treat the iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that dishonest and unfair way. finally he was a guest, by his own free will !
despite all severe problems we have with this man and his gouvernement, we have to respect some ethic basics, and obviously we can learn from the oriental way to treat their guests. it was very dissapointing that the president of an academic instition like the Columbia University (!) does not show the minimum of an academic behaviour
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some days ago you asked, why i am so interested in the murder of JFK ?
hmm, because i remember very well this 22. of november in 1963, it was late afternoon local time, when a friend of mine called me, saying to me:" ... hey bernhard, just right now, the radio was airing, that the american president was killed.
soon, they will bring some more news on it, may be in the TV aswell. and its not a lie !! if You want, You can come home with me, and watch TV with my parents ! .. "
well, it was a nice offer at that times, cause only a few people in this small village had a (b/w) TV-equipment !
and be assured, we watched these breaking terrible news, breathless, the first pictures, the first official statements.
for us young boy, JFK was an attractive superman , an hero, without any reason for any critics. no one spoke about the darker sides of his character, the activities and connections of his family, about light and shadow of the presidential role.
for all us young pupils it was a real giant bad sensation !
in the next days, this murder was the main-topic of our talks.
of course we watched the burial, seeing little 4 year old boy JFK jr. giving the last greetings to his father ! got wet eyes that moment.
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memories are made of this ....
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besides all, i am very interested in all unsolved mysteries of the world, i am a typical sagittarius.
best greetings from good old bavaria: Bernie
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Post by Charlotte on Oct 2, 2007 8:33:12 GMT -5
Hi Bernhard, I just wrote a lenghty and rather nice reply but my computer shut off and it all flew out the window, very irritating. I'll repeat myself tomorrow - have much practice in that. Charlotte |
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Post by Charlotte on Oct 3, 2007 8:34:07 GMT -5
Reading on Hyperboria this morning, I lost all interest and momentum in persuing politics  Just not my cup of tea. Charlotte |
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Post by BERNHARD on Oct 5, 2007 11:46:00 GMT -5
Dear Charlotte , no stress ! i am very busy, as so often, but despite all work and obligations, i am active from time to time on other forums. in addition i will stay tuned , visiting YOU here at least once a week. i am back first on next tuesday. so relax, and give me a reply, when time is on YOUR side ! best regards, and greetings (to ALL) from bavaria: Bernie  **************************************************** |
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I don't usually go for conspiracies .... but in this case things just stink too much .... I've read a number of books and things just don't make sense ...
Bernhard,
so let's be calm and shine on it!
Just not my cup of tea.