The Golden One

[JoeS]

Here's something for you Seekers to ponder. (I added the bold emphasis).

On February 10, 1882, Lieutenant in the 4th artillery of the U.S. Army and Secretary of Treasury Charles J. Folger stated:

"The All-Seeing Eye is one of the oldest hieroglyphics of the Deity. The triangle also is a cabalistic symbol of the most remote antiquity...

The descent of the mystic eye and triangle in the form of a capstone to this mysterious monument [the Great Pyramid of Gizeh] of all times and nations, is to us as a people most pregnant with significance. The motto, Novus Ordo Seclorum, is a quotation from the 4th Ecologue and was borrowed in turn by Virgil from the mystic Sylbylline records."

The entire quotation is as follows: "Novus Ordo Seclorum altered from Magnus Soeclorum Ordo, a mighty order of the ages born anew. Both the prophetic Virgin and Saturnian kingdoms now return. Now a new progeny is let down from the heavens. Favor, chaste Lucina, the boy soon to be born in whom the iron age shall come to an end, and the golden one shall arise again in the whole earth."

-Joe.

[Charlotte]

This is very much what I have been taught and talked some about in my "America the Beautiful", and "California the Golden" posts over at Ma'at.

Charlotte

[JoeS]

So, why is this relevant to RLC?

Well, Virgil's Eclogues are all set in Arcadia. Eclogue V (5) contains the earliest known mention of a tomb in Arcadia:

"A lasting monument to Daphnis raise
With this inscription to record his praise;
'Daphnis, the fields' delight, the shepherds' love,
Renown'd on earth and deifi'd above;
Whose flocks excelled the fairest on the plains,
But less than he himself surpassed the swains."

In Greek Mythology, Daphnis was a Nymph/Shepherd,, one of the sons of Hermes and the supposed originator of pastoral verse (for whch Virgil was justly famous).

There's little doubt that Poussin was well versed in the Classics and Greek Mythology. and would have been very familiar with the writings of Virgil. In any case, Virgil's Arcadia had been popularised by the work of others before Poussin.

As has been already mentioned, parts of Virgil's 4th Eclogue found their way onto the One Dollar Bill (albeit in a somewhat modified form)

The fifth line of Vergil's Latin text, magnus ab integro saeclorum nascitur ordo ("the mighty march of the ages is born anew"), is represented in altered form as a motto on the one dollar bill: novus ordo seclorum ("a new march of the ages").

Another Latin motto on the dollar bill is taken from Vergil's Aeneid: annuit coeptis ("he [god] has approved our new endeavors").

from here: Vergil Eclogue 4

It's worth noting that in the Middle Ages Virgil was regarded as both a Sorcerer and a proto-Christian Prophet who predicted the coming of Christ (how could he be both?).

Here's a Christian commentary on the IVth Eclogue:

www.literatureclassics.com/essays/824

As a final note, in Ancient Egyptian Mythology, the Golden One was a term associated both wirh Ra and Sekhmet/Hathor (i.e. both that Masculine and Feminine encarnations of the Sun-diety). Sekhment is associated with the Eye of Ra .

Sekhmet is usually portrayed as a woman with the head of a lioness, but as the Daughter of the Netjer of the Sun, Ra. Sekhmet is closely linked to the Uraeus (Buto or Wadjyt) in Her role as the fire-breathing, 'Eye of Ra'. The pyramid texts themselves mention that the King or Pharaoh was conceived by Sekhmet, Herself.

from here

That's enough for now. I don't want to give it all away because seeking knowledge is more useful than having it spoon fed to you and it's entirely possible that others may farrive at conclcusions that have not ocurred to me.

-Joe.

[Charlotte]

Thanks for all the info and links, JoeS,

I don't have much time left this morning, but will read later.

This is a vast subject. If you care to go to www.godasmother.org you will find a poster "American Junior Red Cross" by Walter Beach, distributed in 1942 to all Grammar Schools in America, showing Bacon as the the Founder of the United States.

No, Virgil cannot be both, a Sorcerer and proto-Christian Prophet.

Charlotte

[Julia]

Sekhment is associated with the Eye of Ra .


Hmm, that reminds me -- have you seen Poussin's autoportrait? There's a woman wearing a crown with an eye on it and Poussin himself seems to be wearing a pyramid shaped ring.
www.abcgallery.com/P/poussin/poussin75.html


Btw, on another thread Dante was mentioned in relation to the RLC; I would like to point out that Virgil, whose works, as you suggest, Poussin must have been familiar with, is also (besides Bernard of Clairvaux) featured in Dante's Divine Comedy.

Nice Forum, Don.

[Don Barone]

Julia wrote: ... Nice Forum, Don.

Thank you very much Julia but remember the membership is what makes it nice. ....

Feel free to join as a member and also any of the conversations.

Cheers
Don Barone

[JoeS]

>>Hmm, that reminds me -- have you seen Poussin's autoportrait? There's a woman wearing a crown with an eye on it and Poussin himself seems to be wearing a pyramid shaped ring <<
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I have seen that painting before. I never considered the emplemon teh crown to be an eye, though. The scan doesn't have enough detail to tell for sure but it does look like it. An alternative would be to look at it as representing star, then she would be one of those mystical people who wear stars on their brow (hmmm, where have I seen that before?).

>>Btw, on another thread Dante was mentioned in relation to the RLC; I would like to point out that Virgil, whose works, as you suggest, Poussin must have been familiar with, is also (besides Bernard of Clairvaux) featured in Dante's Divine Comedy. <<

I'd hesitate to bring Dante into this (although Dante in his own right is quite fascinating). Virgil was very popular in Dante's time as well as Poussin's and so it's not so surprising he keeps cropping up as an influence, as he does to this day.

>>Nice Forum, Don.

I'm kinda enjoying giving vent to my more esoteric interests. I've been following this riddle (RLC) for a long time now, and I think I may have found my own conclusion. What should I do, though? Write a book?

Joe.

[Charlotte]

My kingdom for a book which would explain things clearly. On the other hand, I understand that "seeking knowledge is more useful than having it spoon fed." On all hands however, it is obvious that humanity has been spoon fed and guided as far back as I can see.

So far, the Da Vinci Code has not turned on a light for me, but I believe that everything serves a purpose, that it is a part of the current revolution in consciousness, meant to stir up the mulitude regardless of the motivation or intent of the author.

Charlotte

Charlotte

[Stars on their Brow]

In one of those strange coincidences that can only occur whe one is searching the internet for information on something else, I stumbled across this:



It is worn in the 19th degree of Scottish Rite freemasonry (as practiced in Florida, anyway). The fact it is blue and gold is veeeery interesting, but more on that when I have time.

www.aasrvalleyofjax.org/nineteenth_degree.htm

Joe.

[Charlotte]

This beautiful head band reminds me of the diadem of Tutankhamen. Has anyone wondered why neither crowns nor royal robes of the Pharaoh's have ever been found?

Building a bridge to live eternal.

Charlotte

[Don Barone]

Hi Charlotte ...

I had never noticed that but now that you mention it you are of course correct. Even in King Tut's tomb I do not believe any such regalia was found.

Is it because perhaps it was all just ceremonial and symbolic ?

Cheers
Donnie

[Joe S]

Charlotte said:

This beautiful head band reminds me of the diadem of Tutankhamen. Has anyone wondered why neither crowns nor royal robes of the Pharaoh's have ever been found?

Well apart from the obvious fact of decay, Pharoahs were never buried in their royal regalia. We can get a good idea from the decoration on the Sarcophagos and, of course from Egyptan engravings.

The Menes headress worn by the Pharoahs was one of the earliest uses of a combination of blue and gold to denote divinity.



Blue and Gold was also associated with the Goddess Ishtar by the Sumerians and, later Babylonians. Nebuchannezer chose blue and gold as the predominant color scheme of the Ishtar gate:



And, of course we have the the Shepherdess clothed in Blue and Gold in Poussin's infamous painting:



While trying to find the significance of his choice of colours, It dawned on me that Poussin may have been following an ancient tradition of using the colours Blue and Gold to denote divinity, a tradition that is stil followed today.

So who is the Shepherdess? Well, the earliest known form of Ishtar was Innana and one of her names was the Holy Shepherdess (could Poussin have known this?). I'm not sure that is who she is and there are other possibilities. But a Goddess she be, alright.

Joe.

[Charlotte]

Since the Pharaohs were never buried in their royal regelia, would it stand to reason that the Egyptians preserved said regelia somewhere? And since the gaze and linen material of mummies has not decayed altogether, much less would have the royal robes or the Menes head cloth, which would have been treated with special care.

As far as I know, neither a red, blue, or white crown, as depicted in paintings or on concrete statues. For this reason I can't explain it to myself in any other way but that the various crowns, red, blue, and white, are indicative of the alchemical tranformational process, red for Lower Egypt, our lower nature; blue, the "crown of soul knowledge", or "crown of transformation", as it is worn in battle with "the enemy", to aquire the "white crown of divine form." When this process is completed, Pharaoh "does homage to himself in silence", he has united his kingdom, becomes master of the two lands, and adornes himself with the double crown. In this process he is said to have "communed with his god and a womens voice answered", because he also has to unite his masculine and feminine nature.

The blue and gold gate of Ishtar is magnificent, Gold being all that is left on the bottom of the crucible. And Innana, she went into the underworld in 7 steps, with each step divesting herself of a worldly attribute, when she got to the center she saw another women--herself--and came out of the underworld, reborn no doubt.

I don't know who the Sheperdess of Poussin is, to end on a light note, some time ago when Don made a big adoe about the painting, Morph described what the Shepherds were doing, and said something like the Shepherdess was only in it for the love interest.

Talking about these things just makes my day, and life . . .

Thanks

Charlotte

[Joe S]

>>Morph described what the Shepherds were doing, and said something like the Shepherdess was only in it for the love interest. <<

LOL! She's only the centre point of the whole painting, hardly important at all :-). I think it's most likely that the figures in the painting have multiple meanings and the painting can be interpreted on a number of different levels , which is what makes it so fascinating. The colours of the Robes have clear meaning in alchemy and our Sheperdess by wearing Gold is symbolic of not just the end result of the Great Work, but also the Sun.

Joe.

[Charlotte]

Hi Don,

Adding to your statement. Other than with Tutankhamun, I don't know of any Pharaoh's tomb, including the Pyramids, which I don't think were tombs in the sense conventional Egyptology sees them, in which any supposed "unimaginable riches" were found, do you?

The reason for this is, according to most experts on ancient Egypt, that grave robbers stole all the treasures, and the mummies too. I could understand stealing the treasures, which I don't think were there in the first place, but why would anyone want a mummy way back then? To sell it sounds reasonable, but I would think that whoever bought the mummies, say, of Khufu, Khafre, Menkaura, or Snefru, would have come forward by now. Either that, or they keep them hidden somewhere.

I heard a story that Menkaura's mummy was transported on a ship to the British Museum, but the ship sank of the cost of France or Spain. I can't imagin them not retrieving it at any cost.

Judging by the inscriptions of the Egyptians themselves, I think it is all symbolic, even the ceremonial, and their stories, such as Snefru on a boat with girls draped in fishnet, are allegories.

CC

[Charlotte]

Reading your last post, Joe S, all sorts of things came to mind apropos the multible meanings and interpretation of the painting on differtent levels.

Firstly, I would see the law of the triad, the threefold body, soul, and spirit of man, the fourth being women, perpetuating life until the three are reconciled.

The Egyptian triad is Amon-Ra, Harmakes, and Ptah, the fourth is the consort of Ptah, can't think of her name, who supplies him with matter to create forms.

One could see the three dimensions we live in, the fourth being space/time in which all movement happens.

The three Shepherds could be: alchemical salt, inert; alchemical sulfur, fiery; alchemical mercury, harmonizing; and the forth would be the earth, the Shepherdess.

In physics it could be: the negative electron; the positive proton; the neutral neutron; and the fourth the atom/molecule.

In all cases the fourth is matter, equated with women, the passive, resistent, feminine force. Maybe that is why the Shepherdess just stands there watching and taking it all in, as it were.

If the Shepherdess wearing gold is symbolic of the end result of the Great Work, it would "mean" for me, that the Shepherds have realized their soul-mate, above, because the prince has to find his princess, together they return to their fathers kingdom, there is a great wedding feast, the prince becomes king, and they live happily ever after, with or without children.

The only way I can understand the Shepherdess wearing gold being also symbolic for the sun, is that "die Sonne" is feminine in the German language, giving life and warmth, but maybe you have a different explanation.

Do you think that my interpretation of the symbolic meaning of the various crowns of Egypt is too outlandish? I would be interested if anyone at all shares this view, which I posted at Ma'at at least two times, but was ignored by everyone.

Charlotte

[Joe S]

>>The only way I can understand the Shepherdess wearing gold being also symbolic for the sun, is that "die Sonne" is feminine in the German language, giving life and warmth, but maybe you have a different explanation. <<

In Alchemy, Gold is associated with the Sun, White the Moon and so on. Alchemists believed that the planets and their movement influenced the growth and properties of metals in the ground, so each of the 7 prime metals in alchemy has an associated color and planet.

The AEs associated Gold with Ra, so again a fairly obvious connection between that precious metal and the sun, although I'm fairly convinced that Poussin was making the later, alchemical association, along with using the combinaiton of Blue and Gold to denote a divine being.

As a side note, Masonic lodges used to be decorated with blue and gold cloth up until the late 19th century.

Joe.

[Aurora]

If you turn upside down the Poussin's painting
and watch the shadow of the man kneeling you
will see a "horse" the "horse of God" (ref : the Horse of God by Martha Neyman who also wrote from Darkness into the Light and the true language of Rennes le Chateau).
Aurora

[Charlotte]

Don brought up another "the horse of God" a while back on Ma'at, wonder if that's where he got the "name." Maybe he can post it here upside down to marvel at.

Charlotte