The DaVinci Code: Fact or Fiction ?

[BERNHARD]

LIEBE LOTTE ... Dear Charlotte, i accept your offer, but please give me some more time, at the moment i am very very busy, and a little exhausted too ! i must focuse all my power on the real necessary things ! we have to move/shift the Guardjeff-course on a later date ! be so kind to be a still little patient ! best regards and "Servus" from bavaria: Bernie

[Charlotte]

Hi Bernie,

No hurry, bist wieder richtig im Schtress ha? I have the same time constraint problem, don't even have time to eat many times, but men and women do not live by bread alone, and the good thing is that our other food doesn't make us fat.

I'll be still and know that I am God, as the saying goes.

Bis später

Charlotte

[BERNHARD]

DEAR Lotte, Don and Others, exciting news regarding the work of "DA VINCI" ! the good old Leonardo invented so much, worked about so many things, that we are astonished and deeply impressed half a millenium later ! now, at FLORENCE (Italy) they have rebuild and reconstructed, according to an old draft, a strange looking (three wheeled) SPRING-PROPELLED vehicle ! i suppose, it was constructed ( in around 1478 CE ) for military use, to transport something under critical circumstances, or to bring something ( some explosives ) into contact with the target object, avoiding the loss of human lives caused by heavy martial defensive attacks. ( it's my personal proposal ) ok, many other possible explanations may exist. and: the vehicle-guidance-control was programmable !! fascinating indeed ! you want more ? here is the link : dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20040419/davinci.html --- greetings: Bernie

[Don Barone]

Naturally Da Vinci would make it a convertable ... and energy efficient.

Cheers
Don Barone

[BERNHARD]

Hi Guys AND GIRLS: SENSATIONAL DISCOVERY IN ITALY of HIDDEN SECRET SEALED LABORATORY ROOMS OF LEONARDO DA VINCI IN A MONASTERY at FLORENCE ! FASCINATING STUFF ! LOOK HERE: www.rense.com/general61/alaba.htm -- Bernie

[Charlotte]

I think there is much we don't know about Leonardo as he worked above and below. Just like one cannot look into the eyes of Mona Lisa, so one cannot look directly at great Leonardo.

Charlotte

[BERNHARD]

HEY BERNIE, good old twin-brother ! cause their is so much traffic of all kinds of contributions here, let us share our thoughts and interests, we two cultivated for so many years !! while i was searching around the web for some more interesting stuff on the life and work of "little Leonard" , ( from Da Vinci in Italy ), i found a quite good website concerning this all. so dear Bernie, if you have some minutes, take a look at this site: members.tripod.com/~mr_sedivy/davinci1.html -- not bad , or ! and not to forget the embedded sublinks here ! ok, i have to go back to work ! enjoy life, stay happy, and let us soon visit this fabulous site again ! Cheers from bavaria: your big grey haired Bernie, the elder twin ;D

[pmacg]

Dear Don.

As I described in 'The Thirteenth Disciple' the code of the I Ching relates to time, as the River Maps and the binary code of Heaven and Earth fit together as odd and even integers, and this undoes the Magic Square of Time', the Lo Shu. But it has become apparent to me of late that it has a much deeper meaning, as the words of the I Ching constantly remind me, its has the deeper meaning of universal construction.

In the I Ching we are dealing with a binary code that is linked to time in the 384 lines l(ight and dark lines), which are defined as singularity and duality. The meaning of this is that physical form, or the created part of our being, is a duality of opposites - so the dark line is duality and in binary = 1, and the singularly is unbroken hence 0. This is a universal binary code, as the singularity of light (fire/energy), is the Hexagram 'The Creative', and duality is 'The Receptive', so in these, we have not only the primal opposites of Clear light and Empty Darkness, meaning both these opposites cannot change into another Hexagram, so they are the father and mother of all cubes, or cubic binaries, and stand above and below the visible spectrum or matrix of time/space.

We have already talked about some the geometrics in this code, but for me, the finding that the code is already represented by ancient cultures, must have remained a secondary consideration, as if the codes to work in practice, all else will then fall into place. My interest has been the code of the Ching (one track minded), but the symbolics of the texts has to understood before they talk to you, so I picked up some other bits on the way.


We are given the story in the Chinese texts, we find the same time construction throughout ancient cultures, all have gods and goddesses who are Sky (Heaven) or Mother (Earth, and these terms exist into our recorded history, and in the secret society of Artists who belonged to sacred rites of Bacchus/Dionysus and Demeter. The God of Wine (symbolic of divine blood) rites gave the knowledge of the mind, the fire, and Demeter was the Mon Goddess who is the ruler of time (of the Great Waters) - thus yes they held the secret codes of universal construction. And it those rites was the story of Mary's position in the symbols of the division's of the heaven, as the 13th division of the 360 degree motion of the moon - and this is a very accurate measure of time, and can be rectified by + 1 or - 1.

The code is held in the secret number of 21, as these count to seven, as when you place 21 into the binary codes of 64 cubes, 21 goes 3 times, but at the end of each 21 you have a being and an end (Before and After) so that only one value exists before the next sequence of binaries starts. You don't count the first number as it is Creative, and the end is the end product of duality, the codes is written so that a language with 21 letter can undo it, so Hebrew is the best bet, as the chosen people help the keys of the hexagrams or 6 pointed star.

In these last posts you have the conclusion of my book, as this either works as a universal binary that is the means of traveling between matter and anti-matter at 3 trillions times a second, or not but who would have been able to define time in a set of cubic binaries.


I hope that I have assisted you in your endeavour so far - Paul.

[PMacG]

Hi All. I was just looking though the old postings, of my former self, the here twice born so to speak. How did this posting get to be Davin's Code - weird.

Anyway, further to this previous post I was discussing the structure of the Sepher and the 231 Gates, or 462 letter combinations of Hebrew Letters with someone. There is some very interesting maths involved in the works of the Book of Formation, and if anyone has some thoughts on this subject please don't hold back.

I was interested in the divisions of the Gates as Hebrew has 22 letter but only 21 values, and this difference in value between the two is extremely interesting in the way t fits the 64 Seals. The 462 letters are divisible by 12s, 11s, 7s, 6s, 4s and 3s, but also 231 is 21 x 11 or 7 x 3 x 11, so when the extra value of the first letter is added we get the structure of all the Hebrew Letters = 3 x 7 x 12 = 252. The multiples of 21 are exactly as are given in the placement of integers into the Hexagrams or Seals, as 1+2+3+4+5+6 = 21, and 2+4+6+8+10+12 = 42 and so on. As Jim explained (and which I have now also seen referred to else where) the Seals are divided by the values 63:64 because the first letter isn't counted and also the values of the letters = 21 x 3, and this corresponds to the binary progression of fractions from 1/2 to 1/64 as given in the Eye of Horus.

So any ideas on this folks?

Paul.

[PMacG]

Hi All.

In the 360 degree motion of the moon I should have added that this gives 13 lunar months or 384 days as a true count of time. 384 corresponds to the amount of lines in 64 cubes, so each line is a day. The working's of the 13 month gives us the 19 year Metonic Lunar Cycle which need a correction of only + 1 day every 219 years (very accurate).

For me the value of 219 is very significant as it brings me back to the same numbers I have found in the Hexagrams. 219 divided by 73 = 3 and 219 x 3 = 657 x 2 = 1314, and this value is a constant first found by 360 x 365 = 131400. This then comes up by a division of years in a Great Year of Precession as 25,920, and to quote a passage I sent to Gary Osborn concerning the Pyramids, I shall quote:

By the way just to add, that your 64 x 64 division of the GP in the maths of Precession gives a value of 51,840 (72 x 720) is this why the angle of the GP is as it is? And this values is also as multiples of the Earth circumference in English feet when you add the 73rd part of 720 = 13140 x 4 = 52560. Strange how this works as when you again add 13140 to 52560 (13140 x 5) = 65700 x 2 = 131400, weird how these number just recur. All are always multiples of 5 and 10s and are x 6s and 12s, just as just found in the Islamic Tiles so they thus seem to become multi-geometrical like layers one on top of the other.

In the link I put up about bees and the 6 dimensions of the sun the use of 720 degrees also appears, as the rotation needs to be 360 x 2, it is for this reason I believe that a double value of Precession was given in the Pyramids - hence two intersecting rings (but just speculation on my part at this point).

I added a posting on GHMB to explain how the structure of music is also not only found on the cubes, but it is the maths of the cubes - this was in reference to the cubes at Rosslyn.

Paul.

[ghia]

Hi Paul,
In response to #38, I can only say I'm a tarot addict....I cannot get in to the reasons why, I'm stuck in the esoteric realm.
In much the same way , all the Math and geometric design equation are kind of mind boggling to me at this point. It's built into my hardrive...
Just sitting on the sidelines with my comments!

BB,
Ghia

[PMacG]

Hi Ghia.

I fully understand your perspective over the maths. I know, don't take me to any parties, I just kill'm stone dead.

Regards - Paul.

[PMacG]

Hi Ghia. I know I appear overly serious about all this stuff - and yes I'm one-tracked in my interests, but I am interested in both sides of coin concerning the maths and esoteric, I'm sure the two go hand in hand. The Hermetic Orders were interested in both sides as they were both needed to conduct rites which have been seen as magick, but I see it as science and now have a lot of reasons to draw this conclusion. Own nature is much deeper than it appears but it is still part of our nature and should not be blocked from investigation by superstition.

The Tarot is both a set of numbers and images related to the Sepher or Book of Formation, and even though my prime interest has been the narrative and the maths of the Book of Changes (The Book of Law) I have been investigating the Tarot for many years since I got a copy of the Sepher in 1970 and a book called 'The Tarot of the Bohemians' (Rider). I then investigated Crowley's interest in the 'Book of Thoth' and his own redesigned Tarot pack. So this was always on a level detached from using them much as an Oracle - I had the BOC for that.

The Book of Formation has been of great interest to many, but so far as I'm aware, it has never been undo to regain its true power of the Ark. It has therefore retained an interest in Hermetic circles because of its mystery mainly, and if it has been undone then its workings have remained with small secret groups. This secrecy may have been for good reason, but times change, and if the workings of Hermetic rites can be brought out into the work place of modern science, then what has been kept closed might lose its cloak of mystery and fear, and be found to really work. If it does work, which I now believe it does, then it cannot be left to small groups bent on personal power for their own purposes, we have seen too many tyrants and ego maniacs already to last us the rest of human history. We are ultimately talking about the power of creation that is contained within our own make-up, and we must now seek to use it for mutual benefit, not conflict and destruction.

In this work therefore, any input is of value whichever side of the coin it comes, and if you are interested in the esoteric you might have clues to the maths of which you unaware. But unless there is no other input from yourself or anyone else I shall refrain from further postings on this subject for the time being.

Kindest regards - Paul.

[Charlotte]

Hi everybody

Like Bernie, I have been overtaken by the necessary daily work, and out of time again, but a long weekend is coming up

Charlotte

[ghia]

Hey Pmacg,
I wasn't implying that I wouldn't bring ya to a party, I might bring some tape though...lol

I just sent "Broker", from GHMB, my Book Of Thoth for the Crowley deck, since that's his only other deck besides the Waite one, and i don't get into the 'deep' signifigance of Crowley's rambles...I mean magickal workings..(HaHaha).
I am glad to see we perform balance here by the focus we have in our 'Area', it's alchemical properties should pole vault us forward dramatically in wisdom. I have the same regard for Math, all is designed mathmatically and everything therefore makes sense. I just like the effortlessness of clouds and such!

Anyways, so start a new thread, because I'm new here, so you need to open a door....might be to Pandora's Box though...in fact that would be the perfect title......


BB,
Ghia ;D

[ghia]

Oh yeah, I forgot PMacg and others interested,
The book i have on I Ching is " The Complete I Ching The Definitive Translation", by the Taoist Master Alfred Huang.
It has so much info, my mind could explode! Thank the Gods, I chose the 8 Coin Method for Divining and not the Yarrow!!!I haven't got this out in a long time , it sits in a drawer with Indian Amber...wish you could smell it, folks, it's pretty good!

[PMacG]

Thank for that Ghia about Master Huang's translation, I love the smell of Amber.

You wouldn't need the sticky tape, I can be very quiet if you so wish.

Crowley was never my main interest in the G Dawn. His teacher Allen Bennett was much more interesting to me, so also got big into just observing the passing clouds rise and pass away.

Talking about passing clouds and Pandora's Box: I had a chance to read an unpublished diary on Crowley's stay in Hastings by a lady who supported him there, he gave her all his books and papers (mostly poems) in exchange. I got to handle some of his personal books, one of which only 50 were published, and his own Seals of Solomon, but most of his books and papers were then burnt by a very Catholic person who thought such plagues best removed from this world - so they are now gone and will never see the light of day.

All the best - Paul.

[Don Barone]

Hi Paul ...

You wrote: " ... but most of his books and papers were then burnt by a very Catholic person who thought such plagues best removed from this world - so they are now gone and will never see the light of day.

A knife cutting through me is what those words felt like. It made me cringe to think that this recently this could happen.

But nevertheless we shall get it back, all of it. Little by little, piece by piece it will come forth again. For the truth is out there and we, you, me, Charlotte and a myraid of others will never rest untill we shall have it.

It is the reason for being and it will set us free.

Love and Light
Don Barone

[ghia]

Don't cry , Don! The info is fractured just like the Snow Queen's mirror, and we shall find the bits. They are definitely out there. I started " Children of the Cyber Dawn", last year, for online ritual. I think it was for the Summer solstice. the first ritual was online at the same time , 'sky clad'.... I'd have to look up what the focus was in my Journals. It worked, anyway...so online works... so think about tomorrow's possibilities... Ok?
Best yet , we could have an online seance and maybe get the old guy to speak up... unless he's elsewhere.
I'd be up for that one, though I have no personal need , I'd lend myself out for the try though.

BB, Ghia

[PMacG]

Hi Don and Ghia.

I've have never spoken of this outside of a small circle, and I'm sorry that I can't give too much detail on this as it could cause an old acquaintance problems. We tried our best to get all his personal books and papers out of danger, but alas were not successful, as it was all down to a will as to whose hands these books and papers fell into.

I just couldn't believe that such an important history was destroyed in such a fashion, being burnt in a back garden bonfire - but it was done and can't be undone. And the world didn't even know these papers existed or of their demise at the hands of a person who thought through their religious belief (and also because of feeling of disgrace in a family member's connection with Crowley) what they were doing was right.

All the best - Paul.

[BERNHARD]

Dear All,
..... Liebe Lotte: nachtraeglich alles Liebe und Gute zum G-day !

could not find the right topic for the TEMPLAR KNIGHTS ALSO COVERING THE SINDONE ( from Turin ) , so i will publish here !
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coming 25th of this october the catholic church will held a press conference at ROME, offering a new publication, called Processus contra Templarios", covering the new recent studies of some former "top-sceret" vatikan-archive-documents from POPE Clemens-V, rediscovered only a few years ago (2001), providing new details on the process against the Templar Knights.
now it becomes very clear , the pope did not treat them as heretics. not at all ! the proclamation of the "Vox in excelso" in 1312 by pope Clemens-V confirms this.
the bad and mighty boy in this context was french king Philipp IV !

but for me of special interest is a short mentioning ( found in these top-process-documents) of a precious CLOTH, which was subjet of worship by the Templars !!
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FOR THE FIRST TIME AN OFFICIAL TIME-DOCUMENT CONFIRMS WHAT WAS BELIEVED by many people BEFORE, that the Templars had been the owner of this oustanding artifact !! with good probability the SINDONE ( of jesus ). some old comments of worshipping a barbed face may be in context with the Sindone.
well, it was THIS cloth which played a central role, and not a statue of a demon or something bloody thing like this !
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THIS ALL CAN LAUNCH A VERY SPECIFIC SIDE-EFFECT: the TEMPLAR Knights could have a relevation !! there are several "secret" organisations, which may be interested to Re-INSTALL such an worldwide acting group !!!
i think esp. of Rennes-Les-Chateaux related persons ?
whats Your opinion
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Best regards as always: Bernie
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[Don Barone]

Hi Bernhard ...

A most interesting "revelation" that The Templars may have worshiped what could probably have been The Shroud of Turin and not all the other things such as a disembodied head or even the skull. This dating (around 1300) would mean that Leonardo could not have painted it and the chance of it being artwork seems more remote since The Camera Obscura seems not to have been avaialble quite this far back in time.

But forgive me when I tell you I do not at all trust anything The Catholic church has to say in an effort to cloud these and other issues through the years.

Best
Don Barone

[BERNHARD]

Hi DON,
nice to a have a quick response .. thanks !

nothing to forgive ! i can understand You very well: i myself studied the orgin and often so bloody criel history of the Catholic Church for several years. i leaved this "sacred" house in the early seventies. but despit all, a little bit progess can be watched. only a little, not much enough, no question !

if You can not trust in the catholic church itself, you may trust in the new documents, which will be presented during the press-conference, together with this new book-presentation, not only studying the old texts, but also showing these old scripts themselfs, rediscovered since 2001.
cause some (most) of these scripts are written in latin, everybody who is familiar with this old language can translate this, me included, and can have his own translation and interpretation of what was said or proclaimed seven hundred years ago !
cause the new facts put the cathlic church and pope Clemens V into a better ethic position, the church has no reason to make any tricks or intentional missinterpretations of the documents.

its not an total "absolution", in this tragic Templar-Knights context, from a moral point of view, but one have to respect the problematical situation of the pope, in every case "under pression" at that times !!
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guess, the press-conference will face a big resonance by many people and experts !!

*****
bernie

[Charlotte]

Hi Don and Bernhard,

Bernhard, I meant to thank you for your last post, saying that you will look in now and then, and for the , but never got around to it. Danke auch für die guten Wünsche zum Geburtstag, brauche wirklich keinen mehr ;D

I voiced my opinion after Daz posted the article on "Hello". I have learned of the Templar by way of the Gnostic, mainly via Dr. Hoeller. The Templar didn't "worship" clothes with barbed faces on it, skulls, gruesome disembodied heads and "idols", anymore than the AE "worshiped" crocodiles and and animal-headed human figures as gods, or the Hindus grotesque looking deities, per se.

The press conference will have a side-effect, question is on whom? Mostly on those who believe what the hear from the infallible source, the "revelation" of the Knights has been an ongoing process, but collective human consciousness has grown to accept some of the esoteric teachings and forcing the Vatican to grudgingly give a millimeter. Scholars and experts in such matters then take this "new" revelation and begin a new round and round of reinterpreting resulting in a new "understanding" and the Vatican is absolved and vindicated. Again the image of the late Pope Paul comes to my mind, the man who learned and knew much and could barely carry this weight on his shoulders. Blessings upon him.

In the press release Daz posted is mention of "The Da Vinci Code and Indiana Jones and the Last crusade", and especially the "Da Vinci Code", read and watched by millions and creating considerable doubt, gives the Catholic Church a migrane headache. From the same source:

"The Pope (Clement V) concluded that the entrance ritual was not truly blasphemus, as alleged by King Philip when he had the knights arrested. However, he was forced to dissolve the Order to keep peace with France and prevent a schism in the church."

Indeed, the Templar would have caused a "schism" to be avoided at all cost. You remember the great schism between the Greek Orthodox and Catholic Church, which Ficino remedied. It also says that Philip was "in desperate needs of funds", and who can doubt 'tis the reason he had the Templar arrested and tortured and Jaques de Moley "was" burnt at the stake, by whose orders?

As to the "several 'secret' organizations, which may be interested to RE-INSTALL such an worldwide acting group", for them all the world has always been a stage for which they hire actors. Nicolas Cage makes a good Knight, no? I know the way you mean it, but we cannot really know "secret" organizations, only those we think of as such and since we know of them they're not secret.

I share with you an unbelievably glorious day, after some so needed rain we have brilliant sunshine, the flowers are fresh and healthy and the birds are playing and singing

Charlotte

[BERNHARD]

Dear Charlotte, Don, Julia, Daz, and Others,
liebe Lotte,
a fine answer ! ok, i will look for this new publication, visiting a special library to have a critical look inside. if it looks interesting, i would like to buy it !
in this case, i could inform You on more details, if You want !
now i have to go, wishing You ALL a fine and brilliant weekend !
let the birds sing, and dumb persons keeping quiet !
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best greetings from bavaria : Bernie
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[Charlotte]

bernhard said:

Dear Charlotte, Don, Julia, Daz, and Others,
liebe Lotte,
a fine answer ! ok, i will look for this new publication, visiting a special library to have a critical look inside. if it looks interesting, i would like to buy it !
in this case, i could inform You on more details, if You want !
now i have to go, wishing You ALL a fine and brilliant weekend !
let the birds sing, and dumb persons keeping quiet !
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best greetings from bavaria : Bernie
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Lol Bernhard, ok, I'll keep quiet until you inform us with more details, but I know it's "Lass die Vögel singen und dumme Menschen schweigen!" Many times I wish we could write in both languages, as the meaning of a thing is conveyed better in one or the other.

Hope you had a great weekend

Lotte

[BERNHARD]

Dear Charlotte, Don and Others,
as i promised, here is more stuff on the press-conference at the Vatican, held on 25. of october, the main topic was the Templar Knights process and the new documents :

newshub.cnslis.com/2007/10/28/new-edition-on-knights-templar-no-free-copies/

www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0706116.htm

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greetings from bavaria: Bernie

[Charlotte]

Hi Bernhard, and thanks,

Leaving for LAX in a couple of hours, I only had time to skim over it. Bishop Pagona confirms what Paul and I had suspected.

I see the fluted Maltese Cross on the cover, the cross being on the Stole of the Popes down the hierarchy to priests celebrating mass, though resembling more the Templar cross, lightly fluted or not at all. Interesting, no?

See you when I come back

Charlotte