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Post by Don Barone on Nov 3, 2003 16:02:12 GMT -5
Hi All: I have not yet read this book but according to Greg Taylor [recently of Daily Grail fame and now editor of Phenomina Magazince] it is a runaway best seller [3.5 million copies] and is causing waves within the Catholic church and beyond. Now what I find intriquing about all of this is that alot of these ideas have been slowly growing within many people over the last couple of years almost as if we are being awakened to something. As most of you know Steve [Jaimi] and I have done our own research into this and other areas and our research remains ongoing with Steve busy trying to put it together in some sort of book form. Me I just keep moving on to other things which sprang from our first primitive feelings about these things. Also Taliman is due for release shortly which addresses some of these tangenal ideas as well. Is a new age really dawning ? Stay tuned ... ABC: Jesus Married?An upcoming ABC News special will examine the question of whether Mary Magdalene was actually the wife of Jesus Christ. The feature, titled "Jesus, Mary and DaVinci" will air this coming Monday at 8pm ET, and is based partly on the best-selling novel THE DAVINCI CODE by author Dan Brown. DaVinci Code Infuriates ChurchTHE DAVINCI CODE (Amazon US and UK) has not just become a #1 bestseller, it has now claimed the title of the most controversial book released this year. Church leaders and historians have slammed the book, and author Dan Brown, for misrepresentation of history and church traditions.
As would be expected, the conservative Catholic magazine ran a feature on the book, which criticised the anti-Catholic storyline: "In making phony claims of scholarship, Brown's book infects readers with a virulent hostility toward Catholicism." Meanwhile Joseph De Feo, policy analyst for the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, says that Brown is simply profiting from recent trouble in the church, claiming THE DAVINCI CODE is "...exploitative because Brown is capitalizing on an atmosphere when people will believe anything about the church.Cheers Don Barone
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Post by JoeS on Nov 4, 2003 3:40:54 GMT -5
Did anybody else see the ABC program on the Da-Vinci code? It only scratched the surface, but was pretty well balanced. It was interesting to see how many luminaries were persuaded to take part (including Umberto Eco who poo-poohed the whole thing and a Catholic professor of Theology from Notre Dame University who seemed curiously comfortable with the idea that Jesus could have been married).
The interview with Henry Lincoln was interesting: it was quite clear the interviewer' body language was intended to communicate that she didn't believe a word he said concerning the alleged link between Mary Magdelene and the Merovingians. (and neither did I).
So: does anyone like me think that the book itself, and now this program, is an attempt to popularise the idea of a Holy Bloodline? As Sherlock Holmes would say: "things are afoot, Watson".
Joe.
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Post by Mark Harlem on Nov 4, 2003 6:00:48 GMT -5
Dear Joe,
I have not seen the programme but I can certainly understand why people like Umberto Eco would take some distance on the matter. The reason is rather simple; What is the relevance of the bloodline?!
Was Jesus a son of Joseph, then he was of human physical condition and only His mind was of supreme spirituality (and the physical bloodline does not really matter).
Was Jesus a Son of God, then we are talking a different ball game here, but since it is inconceivable that Divinity is hereditary the bloodline does again not matter (being 'watered down’ first through Mary Magdalen and further down the line through offspring and offspring and offspring etc.).
I’m afraid that this matter, which by now seems to grow into mass hysteria, just leads us away from understanding what the bloodline can mean, other then a family tree. I can understand why this romantic view finds fertile ground in these days, and especially among women who see an increased role for their ‘species’ in spiritual matters. But then I would like to point out to them that the word Wisdom (in all ancient languages) is female! That by itself should already be sufficient.
Kindest Mark
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Post by Don Barone on Nov 4, 2003 6:29:16 GMT -5
Hi Mark ..
You write:
May I ask what you think the bloodline could mean other than a family tree ?
You also write:
From where or what do you think this might have come from ?
Cheers Don Barone
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Post by Mark Harlem on Nov 4, 2003 16:24:29 GMT -5
Dear Don, I wish I could go into the matter. I really wish I could! (note that I almost never use exclamation marks) You will have to be patient. Probably for another year or so. A book is then likely to be published, but before that some preventive measures are presently being taken by the … guardiens. The Vatican knew what it was about and sent the Knights Templar in (who were simply too late). Ahnenerbe (the Nazi) were close in their decipherment – Otto Rahn was the closest of them all - but were severely hampered by a power struggle within the inner political circle and eventually time / the allies caught up with them. The OSS then took over and got stuck for lack of information and now Skull and Bones (out of the information from OSS) these days think they know what it is about, but don’t know where to look. Thank God. Your other question surprises me somewhat. You know from the past of my religious background as a gnostic monk (no they do not all wear robes and continuously mumble prayers) and must probably remember from those other conversations that I believe Jesus was an historical figure and the Son of God. To me God is the absolute omnipotent Power, not limited to Earth or even our solar system or universe and dimension, which can do anything it ‘pleases’. Also descending into a human body, thus becoming one with it and providing it with supreme spirituality. Kindest Mark PS Isn’t it intriguing that the name of CIA hotshot and GWB poodle (George) Tenet (http://www.cia.gov/cia/information/tenet.html) And the center word of the Templars Magic Square mathworld.wolfram.com/TemplarMagicSquare.htmlare the same?
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Post by Don Barone on Nov 4, 2003 22:16:01 GMT -5
Thank you as always Mark. It will be an 'interesting' book I suspect. Yes I do remember what you had told me and of course now your answer seems obvious. Do you feel it is the presence of god entering us that allow some to have an enlightenment ? It would explain much.
Cheers Don Barone
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Post by JoeS on Nov 5, 2003 0:24:56 GMT -5
Mark,
I'm a little puzzled by this:
>>The Vatican knew what it was about and sent the Knights Templar in (who were simply too late). Ahnenerbe (the Nazi) were close in their decipherment – Otto Rahn was the closest of them all - but were severely hampered by a power struggle within the inner political circle and eventually time / the allies caught up with them. The OSS then took over and got stuck for lack of information and now Skull and Bones (out of the information from OSS) these days think they know what it is about, but don’t know where to look. <<
The Vatican didn't send the Templars anywhere: for the most part they went where they pleased and barely paid lip-service to the Holy See. The first crusade was a decidely French affair and the founders of the Knights Templar came from a tightly knit small group of French Noble families.
I'm not sure what else you are referring to WRT the Nazis, OSS etc. Could you elaborate? As far as I know Skull and Bones is nothing more than a Harvard Fraternity/in-group, which, while well connected (naturally), is not really involved in anything occult or conspiracy-worthy (see KOM for that sort of thing! ).
-Joe.
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Post by Mark Harlem on Nov 5, 2003 5:52:10 GMT -5
Dear Joe,
I think you are mistaken in your views on the Vatican-Templar relationship. It was only in a later stage that this relationship fell apart. Gotfried of Bouillon, 'ruler' of Jerusalem when the first nine arrived, would never ever have accepted their presence in or near the Temple Mount without the consent of the Vatican.
Kindest Mark
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Post by Mark Harlem on Nov 5, 2003 6:01:27 GMT -5
Dear Don,
Since God is Everything, it must therefor also be the presence of God which enters a person when enlighted. Regardless if one thinks New Age style or conventional religion.
Kindest Mark
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Post by Mark Harlem on Nov 5, 2003 6:41:04 GMT -5
Dear Don and others,
I have to turn to my work now and can not be around as much as I perhaps would like. I know you like hints, so let me give you a few. Knowledge easily obtained is knowledge easily squandered, so you will have to do some work here.
Who was so much admired by, and the real steering force behind, the Knights Templar? Who did in turn this person admire so much that Dante wrote about it extensively in his Divina Comedia / Divine Comedy? What was the role of this person in the NT, and what did this person do at / after the crucifixion?
Until later, Kindest
Mark
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Post by Charlotte on Nov 5, 2003 8:06:22 GMT -5
Hi All,
I am on chapter 47 of the Da Vinci Code, Sophie and Langdon just opened the rosewood box and found a stone cylinder crafted from polished white marble, "having heard liquid within Langdon assumed the cylinder was hallow."
I get impatient reading the book, as I do with other Novels, and never finish reading them. This one I have to finish to see if something interesting comes up.
I don't believe the Holy Grail is a cup or physical object, but our heart, seat of Divinity, where takes place a Christ vision such as Galahad experienced at King Arthur's Round Table, because he was the purest of the Knights. The objective cup or vessel shown at times may just be symbolic as "a container", containing "the Christ in you the hope of glory" of St. Paul.
I believe that an enlightenment experience comes from within, not entering from without, that it can be occasioned by contemplating a painting or geometric figure which the artist, himself enlightened to a certain degree, means to communicate, that our soul responds to exteral stimulus.
Another catalyst is language, such as Lord Bacon's, with "a sweet and majestic rhythm is (as) a rain which distends and then bursts the circumference of the readers mind and pours itself forth together with it into the universal elements with wich it has perpetual sympathy . . . "
Shelley, who acknowledged Bacon as being Shakespeare.
Charlotte
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Post by JoeS on Nov 6, 2003 2:42:22 GMT -5
The Grail was never decribed directly in any of the three orginal Grail Romances.It was described as being in the care of a woman, carried in procession and possesed of divine light and beauty. and in Wolfram von Eschenbach's tale of Parsival, being under the protection of the Fisher King and the Grail Family. Parcival finds out, to his surprise, that he himself is a member of the Grail Family and the Fisher King is his uncle. (as a side note, one who is an intiate and unaware of that fact is known as the "Golden One" in certain esoteric circles).
-Joe.
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Post by Aurora on Nov 11, 2003 21:44:48 GMT -5
Fascinating so one can be an initiate and totally unaware of it How can that be Magdalen PS. coming to think of it is it possible that somebody who has been told she would do a good medium but is absolutely not interested could be used without either one's knowledge or consent ?
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Post by Charlotte on Nov 12, 2003 8:23:16 GMT -5
Hi Aurora,
I don't think it is possible for a person to be used as a medium without their knowledge and consent, when the alert person says "NO, I'm not interested."
On the other hand, I think at some time or other all of us are mediums, for good or for ill, depending whether we're happy, sad, or even depressed, without our knowledge and consent, when we're open and vulnerable, and "something comes over us."
Charlotte
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Post by Aurora on Nov 15, 2003 22:22:31 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte,
Thanks for the information. It is exactly what I wanted to know.
On the other hand I am curious about being "an initiate" without suspecting it... could you elaborate a bit or tell me where I can learn more on the subject ? Thanks Aurora
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Post by Charlotte on Nov 15, 2003 22:35:51 GMT -5
Hi Aurora I'm sitting here laughing because I knew you were curious about being an initiate without suspecting it. I am too. JoeS made that remark. Can I answer tomorrow because my ice cream is melting lol. Besides, on this one I have to think before I talk. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Nov 16, 2003 23:25:42 GMT -5
Hi again Aurora,
Had to work today, but thought about the different possibilities of how a person could be an initiate without knowing it.
The most plausible answer I came up with is, that one could meet up with some such teacher, the teacher, seeing that the person is eager to learn, open to what seems outlandish, can think abstractly, and has great potential to go on to bigger and better things, takes him under his or her wing. The teacher talks to his pupil of things ordinary, things he never heard before, and things which have the pupil question his teachers sanity, but every once in a while the pupil gets a flash of the marvelous and is so exhilerated that he wants more of it. All the while the pupil thinks he is just learning new things which are mostly over his head, but he is being initiated and doesn't know it until much later probably. That may be called "external initiation."
There is also what is called self-initiation, which, when a person is predisposed to understanding the mysteries, comes by way of contemplating the words prophets, sage, and great world teachers. That may be called "internal initiation", facilitated by the inner teacher. Such a person wouldn't think himself an initiate.
Socrates, who considered himself an ordinary man, said to Agathon once: "I only wish that wisdom were the kind of thing one could share by sitting next to someone. If it flowed for instance from the one that was full to the one that was empty like water in two cups finding its own level, what a beautiful thing it would be."
I don't know of any source to learn about this subject, the best thing is probably to keep on studying, and you know the old saying of the teacher appearing when the student is ready, inner or outer teacher.
If I may add these words to your axiom "the secret of life is in art"
"Art instructs the soul through the eye. The words of the wise instruct the soul through the ears."
Sincerely
Charlotte
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Post by Joe S on Nov 17, 2003 1:15:31 GMT -5
>>I'm sitting here laughing because I knew you were curious about being an initiate without suspecting it. I am too. JoeS made that remark. <<
As an example: the Dalai Lama in Tibet is chosen by the High-Preisthood according to astrology and a little bit of divination, The child who is chosen is usually completely unaware of their status as the next Dalai Lama, until they get the knock on the door. See the brilliant movie Kundon for a dramtic potrayal of how this was done.
Joe.
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Post by Charlotte on Nov 18, 2003 8:42:57 GMT -5
I thought Aurora's question was about an average person being an initiate without suspecting it. Maybe she'll come back to clarify.
It seems the initiation of the Dalai Lama as a child would fall in the category discribed in my first paragraph, the child being unaware of being instructed while growing up, but realizing it when they knock on his door, when he finds out he is the next Dalai Lama.
Thanks for recommending Kundon, I'll pick it up.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Nov 30, 2003 10:22:20 GMT -5
Hello Joe S,
Watching "Kundun" 2 days ago, I had no idea it was a documentary of the current Dalai Lama. The remembering of a former life is clearly indicated by the young boy recognizing the emblems of his office: "This is mine."
It reminded me of the way some present day Egyptians give a name to their infants, viz., the father or mother says names to the baby, and the one it responds to is given to the child. With the AE I hold that "I am the maker of my name." BoD. My name for it is "The Anthem to Life Eternal"
The movie was somewhat dramatic Hollywood, it also showed the total lack of understanding by the Chinese soldier of what the young Dalai Lama meant by "Tibeth is our land." I loved the beautiful Mandalas.
PS I can't find your post concerning the number of years required for a major change, or "the new year" the Gnostics and others celebrated. I have been thinking about it because according to these dates the last big change was at the time of the Renaissance. Maybe we can exchange a few words on the subject.
Thank you
Charlotte
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Post by Joe S on Dec 6, 2003 16:24:20 GMT -5
I'm glad you enjoyed Kundun. I guess it's still a bit Hollywood, but so much better than Seven Years in Tibet. I think it is relevant to the RLC mythos in that a good portion of my own research points to a belief in certain esoteric circles in the rebirth of a divine being in our times. >>PS I can't find your post concerning the number of years required for a major change, or "the new year" the Gnostics and others celebrated. I have been thinking about it because according to these dates the last big change was at the time of the Renaissance. Maybe we can exchange a few words on the subject. << It's still here, near the bottom of the page ahatmose2002.proboards22.com/index.cgi?board=three&action=display&thread=1068090179I think this is the bit you were referrig to: >>As a side note, the Helical Rising of Sirius only concides with 9/11 every 1495 years. The last time this occurred was 1599 AD. The next occurence will be 3094 AD. The Ancient Egyptians saw this event as the beginning of a new Era. This would mark 9/11 2001 as the beginning of the 401st year of the current Sothic era. << The beginning of the 17th century was a time of great upheavel, but I wouldn't attribute it to antything other than the social politics of the time. The Renaissance started much earlier, however (late 15th century). Another interesting fact: according to Coptic Christianity, 9/11 2001 was the first day of the second millenium AD. This may just be a startling coincidence as I've so far been unable to find any connection between the events of 9/11 and the Coptic Calendar. Joe.
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Post by Charlotte on Dec 7, 2003 13:48:22 GMT -5
Thanks Joe-S, A coincidence may not be so startling if we go on the premise that "synchronicity is a coincidence between internal states and external events." (Jung I'm pretty sure) Anymore, I can't think of the phenomenal universe other than a "holomovement", in this case again planetary and stellar. The raising of Sirius coincides with 9/11 every 1495 years, and the Ancient Egyptians saw this event as the beginning of a new era. The last time this occurred was 1599 AD. you say, but you would not connect it with the Renaissance which started much earlier, in the late 15th century, so the dates would be good. Maybe it is a misspelling of years, because of the great upheavel you mention in the beginning of the 17th century etc. To my thinking, Marsilio Ficino, (1433-1499) prepared the field by translating Plato's works and the "Corpus Hermeticum" for "those inseperable in death" to "come in" again as the "Renaissance Masters." I think we are just beginning to realize the tremendous significence of the Renaissance, which continued in Bacon's England, and crossed over to New England to eventually call on the "Founding Fathers" to make a "New Nation." So I reason that it will take until 3094, on the cusp of another century, that we will fully understand the implications of the Renaissance, and with it the Hermetic origins of America. Having assimilated and intergraded, another new era on our journey will begin. Who knows, by that time we may be able to communicate telepathically, look back and think at each other "remember the old days when we had to communicate with computers?" So do you see the 401 years you mention, the time between 1599 or 1600 and 9/11 2001, as a "time marker?" Charlotte
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Post by Joe S on Dec 7, 2003 16:17:07 GMT -5
>>The last time this occurred was 1599 AD. you say, but you would not connect it with the Renaissance which started much earlier, in the late 15th century, so the dates would be good. << I don't think the events coincide. (remember the 15th century spans 1400-1499). In any case. you can't point to any one particular year when the Renaissance started. You can go right back to the ealy 1400s to find events that were significant to the flowering of the Renaissance. www.lukemastin.com/history/renaissance_italy.htmlIn any case, by 1599, the Renaissance had been underway for at least 150 years. There were some important historical events occurring at this time, however: Columbus' voyages of discovery span the end of the C15th and beginning of the C16th. Drake defeated the Spanish Armada in 1588, the East India Company was founded in 1600 (interesting...) , Cardinal Richlieu was born in 1585, etc. I'm sure one could selectively highlight many significant events from this time period, but none more so that at any other time in history. The discovery of the New World could, I suppose, be seen as the dawning of a new era in human history. >>To my thinking, Marsilio Ficino, (1433-1499) prepared the field by translating Plato's works and the "Corpus Hermeticum" for "those inseperable in death" to "come in" again as the "Renaissance Masters." << I think these works had a very big influence on the educated elite of that time and may have led directly to the creation of esoteric groups like the Rosicrucians. The Rosicrucian Manifesto ( Fama Fraternitatis) was published around this time and the earliest example we have dates from 1614. In addition The Chymical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz was also published in this year, having reputedly been circulated in manuscrpt form before then. The Manifesto states that the movement itself had been underway for some years before making itself public. So one could realistically place the founding of the movement around the turn of the century. There's little doubt that Sirius is of great important to Feemasons and the origins of Freeasonry can be traced back to the Rosicrucion movement, so maybe we have something here? In Morals and Dogma, 33rd Degree Freemason Albert Pike bestows special honor upon Sirius, a heavenly body that 'still glitters in our Lodges as the Blazing Star' (Pike, 486). Indeed, Sirius represents a foundational axiom of the Masonic Craft. Pike explains that the star is: ''an emblem of the Divine Truth, given by God to the first men, and preserved amid all the vicissitudes of ages in the traditions and teachings of Masonry' (Pike, 136). As Pike continues, he reveals that Sirius has also held numerous other appellations: 'The Blazing Star in our Lodges, we have already said, represent Sirius, Anubis, or Mercury, Guardian and Guide of Souls' (Pike, 506).(from here: www.biped.info/articles/collins2.html)>>I think we are just beginning to realize the tremendous significence of the Renaissance, which continued in Bacon's England, and crossed over to New England to eventually call on the "Founding Fathers" to make a "New Nation." << I don't think anyone could downplay the importance of the Rennaissance and its influence on modern thought.. >> So I reason that it will take until 3094, on the cusp of another century, that we will fully understand the implications of the Renaissance, and with it the Hermetic origins of America. << I doubt if Native or African Americans would view the founding of the USA as an altruistic, spirtually enlightened endeavour. There's little doubt that some of the founding fathers were Freemasons, but, then, pretty much everyone in the ruling classes was in those days. Even Washington kept slaves. www.nps.gov/gewa/bowden&history.htm>>So do you see the 401 years you mention, the time between 1599 or 1600 and 9/11 2001, as a "time marker?" << I don't, but it's pretty clear that somebody else did from the tragic events of that day. If you think that it could have happened any day, you have to think 9/11 was chosen for a reason. Some interesting occurences of the number 401: 401K pension plans, HTTP 401 page not found error. I'm sure you could find others. Joe,.
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Post by Charlotte on Dec 8, 2003 8:18:29 GMT -5
I don't think the events coincide. (remember the 15th century spans 1400-1499). In any case. you can't point to any one particular year when the Renaissance started. You can go right back to the ealy 1400s to find events that were significant to the flowering of the Renaissance. The words you wrote here are almost exactly was I was thinking when I replied. www.lukemastin.com/history/renaissance_italy.htmlIn any case, by 1599, the Renaissance had been underway for at least 150 years. There were some important historical events occurring at this time, however: Columbus' voyages of discovery span the end of the C15th and beginning of the C16th. Drake defeated the Spanish Armada in 1588, the East India Company was founded in 1600 (interesting...) , Cardinal Richlieu was born in 1585, etc. I'm sure one could selectively highlight many significant events from this time period, but none more so that at any other time in history. The discovery of the New World could, I suppose, be seen as the dawning of a new era in human history. The "discovery" of the new world was a 'result' (not quite the right word) of the Renaissance, or better, a new and more geography was needed to have a fresh start, similar to Alexander being compelled to found his city and expand his empire after Pythagoras, Lao Tsu, Confucius, the Buddha, the Sibyls, Socrates, Plato etc. I think these works had a very big influence on the educated elite of that time and may have led directly to the creation of esoteric groups like the Rosicrucians. The Rosicrucian Manifesto ( Fama Fraternitatis) was published around this time and the earliest example we have dates from 1614. In addition The Chymical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz was also published in this year, having reputedly been circulated in manuscrpt form before then. The Manifesto states that the movement itself had been underway for some years before making itself public. So one could realistically place the founding of the movement around the turn of the century. There's little doubt that Sirius is of great important to Feemasons and the origins of Freeasonry can be traced back to the Rosicrucion movement, so maybe we have something here? I agree, Bacon comes into the picture here. In Morals and Dogma, 33rd Degree Freemason Albert Pike bestows special honor upon Sirius, a heavenly body that 'still glitters in our Lodges as the Blazing Star' (Pike, 486). Indeed, Sirius represents a foundational axiom of the Masonic Craft. Pike explains that the star is: ''an emblem of the Divine Truth, given by God to the first men, and preserved amid all the vicissitudes of ages in the traditions and teachings of Masonry' (Pike, 136). As Pike continues, he reveals that Sirius has also held numerous other appellations: 'The Blazing Star in our Lodges, we have already said, represent Sirius, Anubis, or Mercury, Guardian and Guide of Souls' (Pike, 506).I have seen a drawing of Jesus as Anubis. (from here: www.biped.info/articles/collins2.html)I don't think anyone could downplay the importance of the Rennaissance and its influence on modern thought.. I doubt if Native or African Americans would view the founding of the USA as an altruistic, spirtually enlightened endeavour. There's little doubt that some of the founding fathers were Freemasons, but, then, pretty much everyone in the ruling classes was in those days. Even Washington kept slaves. I think we have to go above and beyond this statement, and all the current politics and events to discover "America the Beautiful", which Hoover said "is noble in cause and far reaching in purpose." Many times I wonder if the presidents and other members of the government, who belong to "societies" and make hand gestures know what Hoover meant, or just pretend. This America is yet like Dopey, beardless. Again in the greater picture, the races and slave problem is part of humanities long evolution. I never have cared about "political correctness" or the way the race issue is generally perceived with all the emotional baggage. To me there is only the human race, and a sorry lot and "miserable comforters" we are to each other. www.nps.gov/gewa/bowden&history.htmI don't, but it's pretty clear that somebody else did from the tragic events of that day. If you think that it could have happened any day, you have to think 9/11 was chosen for a reason. I don't think 9/11 was 'chosen' for a particular date by whoever caused it, but I do think it is a time marker, not because JohnDM says so, but because dates and events allign themselves in the "quantum state and the collective consciousness" of humanity to which I have subscribed intuitively since my early days, but had no name for it. Lol, don't make fun of me Charlotte
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Post by BERNHARD on Feb 6, 2004 5:28:49 GMT -5
DEAR ALL, because i do not want to open a new special DA VINCI related topic, i want to bring your attention to a new discovery right here: the italian ALESSANDRO VECOSSI, a museums director from the toscan town VINCI (!!), -- near Florence/Firenze (italy), seriously claims, according to his own research, that LEONARDO DA VINCI was the first to invent NATURAL POLYCHROME PLASTIC. interestingly Leonardo was using a multi-layered technology (!!) to improve the stability of this plastic-material. here some records cut from the original article (see later the weblink i will provide ) : ..." **************************************** The successful reproduction of Leonardo's natural polychrome plastic proved that the Florentine genius created the first man-made plastic long before Alexander Parkes invented parkesine (an organic material derived from cellulose) in 1862 and Leo Hendrik Baekeland's bakelite in 1909. "Leonardo created a material somewhere between natural and chemical plastic. Indeed, he had already synthesized a chemical very similar to acetone. But in his experiments he always used non-toxic, organic substances," Vezzosi said. Leonardo's polychrome mixtures were so similar to phenolic resin that they could be used to create knife handles, salt cellars, containers, and necklaces. Meanwhile, his monochrome mixtures could be used to create cups or vases that "once thrown on the floor don't break." "It's interesting that Leonardo used layers ... to create unbreakable objects. In the case of oil painting, for example, linseed oil is the binding agent. This oil polymerizes slowly on contact with the air, forming a resistant, waterproof polymer similar to linoleum. ******************************************* ..." ok, so far the text cut from the article you can enter here: dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20040202/leonardo.html# oh yes ! Leonardo was a real outstanding genious, no doubt ! but surely he was not always very happy: a man with such mental capacities stays often alone ! where is the person he can share his feelings, ideas, dreams, visions, phantasies and real knowledge best regards from bavaria: Bernie
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 6, 2004 7:58:08 GMT -5
Hi Bernie and All, I am sitting here imagining being with Leonardo to share his "feelings, ideas, visions, phantasies, and real knowledge!" Oh what a privilege! Genius' like him, I think, are often alone because they have such an astronomical inner life, which, half of it they really cannot share with anyone. Have you read "The Da Vinci Code"? I thought it was lifeless and generally boring, but kept reading in the hope of finding a "big secret." The suggestion that Mary Magdalene was the wife of Jesus, and the "Holy Grail being a V-womb etc., is as absurd as the brilliant idea I heard recently, namely, that "Mary could have been raped by one of her own soldiers." What was interesting to me, because of "Wilbur", is that Bill Gates bought "the eighteen folios--now known as Leonardo's Codex Leicester after their famous owner, the Earl of Leicester", for "a cool $30.8 million." The worth of a man for eighteen sheets of paper! And, that "Sophie" was the last of the "Merovingian families--direct descendants of Mary Magdalene and Jesus Christ." What I mean to say is that "Sophia--Wisdom" descends down through the ages to us. In due time I will post some on this subject from a lecture series given by Dr. Stephan Hoeller, leader of the Gnostic Society. Tschüss Charlotte
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Post by BERNHARD on Feb 6, 2004 8:25:20 GMT -5
DEAR CHARLOTTE, no, i did not read "da vinci's code". , for myself, i am sure about a certain relation between Mary and Jesus. it may not have been necessarily a sexual relation, but i guess there was at least a deep sympathy between them. and a kind of TENDERNESS ! ( uhh yeah: i rember OTIS REDDING crying for tenderness ..... ! ). if you can give me a summary, concerning the content of "da vinci's code" - from your personal sight, why not ! would be fine ! best regards: Bernie
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 8, 2004 8:58:46 GMT -5
Hi Bernie,
The book is about the search for the Holy Grail, and/or its location as an object, a "race" by the Vatican versus the granddaughter Sophie of the then Grand Master of the Priory of Sion, and a journalist from America she befriended. They find a cylinder like object with directions where the Holy Grail may be found, but unless the find the code to open it safely, the viniger in the cylinder will destroy the "map."
The French police chase them all the way to England where they keep searching and end up at the Rosslyn Chapel, where Sophie finds her grandmother, wife of the in Paris murdered Master of the Priory Sion.
Then there is the Holy Grail as Maria Magdalena the symbol V, the womb in which she carried the child or children of Jesus to France, and Sophie is the last female of this blood- line.
The "historically documented evidence" of Jesus and Maria Magdalena being married is the famous passage, which all such people who want to have Jesus and Maria a married couple grasp onto, from the Gospel of Philip:
"And the companion of the Saviour is Mary Magdalene. Christ lover her more than all the disciples and used to kiss her often on the mouth. The rest of the disciples were offended by it and expressed disapproval. They said to him, "Why do you love her more than all of us?"
The "kissing on the mouth" has nothing to do "kissing", but everything with communicating the Gnosis to her, that is, if both of them existed in the flesh. "The Word was made flesh", meaning a textual body to get to the light and the truth of the mysteries. The head of John the Baptist signifies the same, namely, the dead letter of the word which comes first, but when standing in the waters of grace and the dove/wisdom appears, the truth is the "one that comes later." Man soll diese Sachen nicht "schriftlich" nehmen.
With all due respect to the author Dan Brown, such Novels are an unfortunate Seth back for a humanity searching for thuth. I felt I wasted my time reading it.
Charlotte
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Post by BERNHARD on Feb 9, 2004 11:11:15 GMT -5
DEAR CHARLOTTE, thanks four Your summary ! i thought something like this. the "good" old mixture for a successful book-seller, but nothing real new or at least of a more deeper and interesting sophisticated speculation. i did read a lot about the common traces and history of christanism, and judaism, and so on, incl. the archaeological finds at Qumran and other places. time has become very worthful and scanty, so why to waste it by reading some kind of literature like this ? you are right ! now a warmhearted "ciao" and "servus" from bavaria: BERNIE
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 9, 2004 11:16:53 GMT -5
Ok Bernie! Are you doing the "Gurdjieff" course with me?
Lotte
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