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Post by coggas on Jan 29, 2004 6:47:47 GMT -5
Hi to all the Watchers,
Charlotte is providing us with a fantastic summary of 'Beelzebub and the band' ( not a bad lyric that...). Cogga's, whilst not focusing on the philosophy, wants to highlight the potential archaelogical and scientific clues that are hidden only just below the surface of 'Beelzebub's Tales to his Grandson'. The work was created well before many of the current ideas relating to history were formulated, much has been exposed (discovered), in the latter part of the twentieth century, well after G. had passed on.
Let me reiterate at this point that authors like Adrian Gilbert ( co-author with Robert Bauval in the Orion Mystery), have studied and written extensivly on the mission of G. and his band entitled 'The Seekers of Truth', and their quest. A quest that ultimatly leads G. to search for the so called 'Sarmung (Spl?) Brotherhood.
It is my belief that G. did find the 'Truth' and that he has codified much of it within the guise of a seemingly comical/rhetorical tale. Whilst we shouldn't except it as 'gospel' it is much like a test and only with work and study (outward and inward), is the truth revealed.
Cogga's.
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Post by Charlotte on Jan 29, 2004 8:00:56 GMT -5
Hi Cogga's Any imput is greatly appreciated, as I am a beginner dancing mostly in the dark, which I don't mind, especially when a book is as readable and delightful as Beelzebub. In my wild imagination I sense all sorts of things beneath the surface text, but refrain from opening say page 499 so as not to go to high school before I finished Kindergarten. I am also reading from the "bleedin" paperback with 1238 pages and no index but nice Islamic art on the cover, and will give chapter name and page number. When reading a book, or listening to a teacher, it becomes clear after a "Kilpreno" or so whether or not the author or speaker come from the "center" of the Universe, understand what they are teaching, and for me such was the case here from the very beginning of chapter "The Arousing of Thought", so I agree with you that G had found the Truth. As I said before, my "chemist" teacher, "apparently" very conservative, thought G was really somebody, and I will listen to his lecture tapes again for more insight. Is Don a voyeur? Heard the word before, but actually looked it up for the first time, iirkh, don't want to make him at me, but I do think he reads everything on the board, after all, he is the moderator. Charlotte
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Post by coggas on Jan 29, 2004 8:06:26 GMT -5
the page turned
After B. set up a large Teskoanno ( Telescope) on Mars, the primary place of his falling, he had on Occasion to visit the place called Earth, because the locals there had a problem and one of his assignments was to sort the bloody mess up.
Before the sand hit the fan he built a University, Weather Control & Telescopic Station (though smaller than on Mars), and at the gate he erected 'what has come to be called' a Sphinx... More recently author/investigators such as Graham Hancock, Robert Bauval and many, many others have drawn us to the Cydonia region on Mars. Although speculation continues the mere suggestion of a pyramidal structure with proportions vastly exaggerated from those on earth, being 'much bigger and better' , becomes worthy for considersation.
Charlette, perhaps the 'war' refers to disruptions of the orbs due to the 'pool hall' effect or maybe the work of an interluder namely Vesus, as laid out by Velikovsky or perhaps the 12th planet as per Sitchin. Are you up to Chaper 4, 'The Law of Falling' ?
Roses, C.
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Post by Charlotte on Jan 29, 2004 9:55:55 GMT -5
It was about 6/7 years ago that a young man of about 18 or so walked up to me (standing in the shadow of the Great Pyramid) with "The Orion Mystery" in hand, which he, after we talked awhile, gifted to me. He spoke pretty good English, but could barely read a word. He insisted there was "Face" and Pyramids on Mars. I felt that the source of his information was not from the West. Later -- he is the youngest of "my" family in Cairo I sometimes talk about.
This "City" on Mars is indeed interesting. I haven't read anything on the 12th planet by Sitchin, or the interluder Vesus (Venus?) of Velikovsky, and if it was Venus/Lucifer, he disrupted things. I also don't know what the "pool hall" effect means, have the image of the planets being close together and some other body, the cue ball, hit them with tremendous force to spiral round the sun since. But who had the cue stick, looked, thought, and aimed?
I have read to the end of, but not worked through chapter 3 "The Cause of Delay in the Falling of the Ship Karnak." Coggas is 20 years ahead of me, patience please.
Thank you
Charlotte
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Post by BERNHARD on Jan 29, 2004 10:47:01 GMT -5
Dear Charlotte (and others), i have some books of zecharia sitchin, including the "12. planet" but he is a real book-seller, and he is writing sometimes to much, and many parts of the books content is often repeated. besides all, the dear Zecharia is not suffering from a inferiority complex, trying to tell most people he is one of the very few people in the world who is capable to translate and understand sumerian, assyrian and babylonian cuneiforms. ok, i would be glad, knowing the things our dear Zecharia is knowing, but he is not the only one, who understands these kind of cuneiforms ! esp. in germany we have some strong scholars and scientists in old-orientalistic research ! naturally it is easy for a man like SITCHKIN to stretch facts and arguments so that they will finally fit into his claims and theories. on the other hand i feel sympathy with people like Zecharia and others, inspite of all commercial aspects. we do need them as well !! another topic: some years ago a fame was circling around the palaeoseti- and ufo-community: it was claimed by some person, that the NASA hides some photos, taken by the HUBBLE-telescope ( btw: Hubble must not die !! ), because they are showing extended rectangular and regular structures on a extra-solar planet, JUPITER-sized, belonging to a solar-system, far away some ten lightyears from here. the dark structures had been interpreted to show the urban-structures of a great extraterrestral city ! and by order of the NSA - not nasa - ( .... we even don't know the acronym UFO ... was it a pop-band ... haha .. ) these pictures suddenly dissapeared into dark catacombs. OK: ONLY A FAME I DID READ SOME YEARS AGO ! one had to deal with it very cautiously ! Best regards: Bernie
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Post by Charlotte on Jan 30, 2004 6:46:17 GMT -5
Hi Bernie,
I can't comment on all this because I don't know anything about it. I do remember though that one of my science teachers refered to Sitchin as an informative source at times.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jan 30, 2004 10:05:53 GMT -5
Chapter 3 "The Cause of the Delay", page 58 to 60
To make a detour which "will greatly lengthen our journey", or "to stop somewhere until the path is cleared of the noxious 'Zilnotrago' to "spare our ship useless damage." In the latter case, Beelzebub suggests to the Captain, they could try and do something useful for all the passengers on board the Karnak.
"It would give me great personally great pleasure", says Beelzebub to the Captain, "to talk with you contemporay ships in general and about our ship in particular."
Beelzebub knows nothing about the new things that have been done in this field during his "absence from these parts." During his time "these big transspace ships were so complicated and cumbersome that it took almost half their power to carry the materials necessary to elaborate their possibility of locomotion.
But in their simplicity and the freedom on them, these contemporay ships are just embodiements of 'Blissstokirno."
"There is such a simplicity for being upon them and such freedom in respect of all being-manifestation that at times you forget that you are not on one of the planets." This simplicity and freedom to manifest "all-beingness", forgetting that you're on one of the planets, "how shall I tell you", happens to those three-brained beings when they encounter the comet "Sakoor."
Beelzebub wants to know from the Captain "how this boon was brought about and how the contemporay ships work", and tells him to "go and make all arrangements necesarry for the required stopping" in the terrestrial tracks, and when he is free again to come to him "and we will pass the time of our 'unavoidable delay' (my emphasis) in conversation useful for all of us." By this G means, I think, "profound" talk.
Hassein overheard this conversation, "sprang to his feet and began to dance and clap his hands and shout:
"Oh, I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad of this." Me too.
"Beelzebub looked with affection on this joyous manifestation of his favorite", but the old Ahoon, apparently a near attendant to B, shook "his head reproachfully", and under his breath called Hassein a "growing egoist." Full of mischief, young Hassein tells Ahoon that the reason for his joy is not egoism, "but only the coincidence which chances to be happy for for" him, because his grandfather not only decided to stop, but also talk later in his "delightful' way with the Captain, so all this "new and interesting information" they had gathered during this "unavoidable delay" can "become crystallized in our presence." In other words, this information is compacted in these transparent tales even as we speak, so to say.
There is no egoism, Hassein means to say, during such conversations, nor is anybody in a hurry because "everything necessary for rest and comfort is present on the Karnak, in this case the human being. During such required stopping higher forces than our own are at work, one must lay away the ego and submit utterly or there is big trouble in Paradise, "to receive all their (the higher forces) results with reverence, at the same time praising and glorifying the wonderful and providential works of Our Lord Creator?"
"I am not glad", says Hassein and me with him, "because of the misadventure but because an unforseen event issuing from above has occurred, owing to which we shall be able to listen once more to the tales of my grandfather."
"Is it my fault that the circumstances are by chance most desirable and happy for me?
"No, dear Ahoon", that means all the old and narrow-minded folks, "not only should you not rebuke me, but you should join me in expressing graditude to the source of all beneficient results that arise."
Nature provides us with a cure for every ailment we have, it said in one of those "Good Health to You" magazines I get now and then, so to all
Gesundheit
Charlotte
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Post by BERNHARD on Jan 30, 2004 10:56:50 GMT -5
Dear CHARLOTTE, i knew this G. Gurdjieff from somewhere ? must have been while reading something in relation with so called ENNEAGRAM's ! now i try to remember the other interesting items of his work. i must state, i am principally very suspicious of GURU's or GREAT LEADER'S of different kind ! mankind's history is telling us so many worse stories ! ok, but we have to be fair, and the man GURJIEFF is certainly an interesting man. according to german sources he was born in 1877 in ALEXANDROPOL ( the former GUMRU ), during the russian--turkish war. the many stations of his life finally led him go to german BERLIN as well ( in 1921/22 ). unfortunately he got no permanent visa at Berlin, and so he went on to FRANCE, where he founded the CHATEAU PRIEURE institute, not far from PARIS, at Avon (near Fontainebleau) . so far his european stations. what i do not like, is that he did not tell us more details about from where and from whom he was teached or got his (first) knowledge. iin one of his books he gave us some informations, but keept on hiding the real facts. why ? i want not to analyze this in a negative way, but a man who found true wisdom and peace and a fine balance deep inside, could have spoken about the first influences, the first sources of knowledge, the first interestig elder people who could have teached him. but GURDJIEFF did not say very much. some informations we got by friends or disciples of him. therefore you must read BENNET or OUSPENSKY. regarding the early journeys of gurdjieff, incl. the location of his birth, he must have had good possibilies to get access to old orientalic knowledge ( incl. qaballah ), and furthermore old indian and asian knowledge ! even in the beginning of the 20th century many intellectual people had been strongly interested in other sources and methods to gain wisdom and peace. our spoiled pseudo-christian practices, our whole culture and their academic leader had dissapointed so many people. image the terrific impact of worl-war-I, and the social and political revolts and instabilities. this was a good atmosphere (and chance) for a man like Gurdjieff. and so he made his way, gathering people around him, fascinating them by a "good mixture of all new open-minded ways for a better life", thus establishing a stable income ( i must state her, that i have no concrete outlines of his income at these times, so forgive me ! ). looking at his portraits i can imagine a strong, even a hypnotic personality (indian guru-like) ! i hope he used this power in the right and honest way !! finally i must say, that i have not a single book of him in my library. if a person who i really accept, will recommends me a GURDJIEFF-lecture, then i may jump into a (short) study of it. more time is missing. (for the moment). back to the item above: the lecture of Zecharia's books in the last two decades did inform and entertain me, no doubt. beside some critics one can have. ( that's quite normal ) . so far for today ! meet you again on monday ! best regards as always: Bernie
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Post by coggas on Jan 31, 2004 7:08:32 GMT -5
Hi Bernhard, You wrote "what i do not like, is that he did not tell us more details about from where and from whom he was teached or got his (first) knowledge. iin one of his books he gave us some informations, but kept on hiding the real facts. why ?"Knowledge is useless without understanding, and nothing comes for free, that's the whole idea of 'The Work' , gotta be in it to get it ( i.e. understand and appreciate it). I am familliar with most of Ouspensky and Bennett, and there is little illumination there, the best relevation of Mr G. comes from his own work "Meetings With Remarkable Men" . Regards Mark, Cogga's. P.S. Let's not get Charlotte distracted, she is on a mission...
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Post by Charlotte on Jan 31, 2004 7:57:20 GMT -5
Hi Bernie, Men like G talk about the Mysteries in "half truth", the "whole" truth is for the reader, if the written strikes a key note in him and he desires to hear the "whole" symphony, to discern. Some such writers usually invent a name for their teacher, or teachers, and G's chief teacher was "Mullah Nassr Eddin", the "All- Teacher." I wouldn't think of G as a "Guru" as a Guru is commenly thought of, though these Guru's, regardless what they do, have a place in our journey, as for instance many came to the US in the 60s to give a new "Eastern impulse" to a stagnent society. The "good atmosphere" for Gurdjieff after WWII to "fascinate" people reminds me of Krishna saying to Arjuna, that when the world is in the direst of straights, his spirit manifests, because when everything is honky-dory, not many care want to hear about the spiritual life. Man like G do not look for deciples, but those "intellectuals" who recognize greatness when they "feel" it, flock to them. Truth is the Loadstone magnetizing those near it. As you know, it is not the persona of the man that is important, but the message, and the messenger, says Socrates, is Love. Cheers Charlotte
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Post by coggas on Jan 31, 2004 8:21:04 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte, Take a few deep breaths and sit up, for now the journey begins. Chapter 4 is where my adventure starts. Is G.s allestory of the space ship design and the laws of physics, which are prevalent and challenged in the first few pages, credible? Does he really know something, is there a treasure within every word ? It has not been untill the last few years, after reading many, many books, and then a few more, that I have realized that there are secrets to be discovered. Inspired by the book "The Hunt for Zero Point" by Nick Cook, I was lead to the page www.americanantigravity.com and the lifter. It seems that a Mr.TT Brown discovered something... I feel he only re-discovered something, further I find the concepet of the lifter 'missing something' . Like Whatt's steam engine which was the precursor to the combustion engine, the lifter is not yet playing with fire but with water. I don't believe we need to look forward, backward might help, but the answer is sidewards...p66. Roses, Cogga's.
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Post by coggas on Jan 31, 2004 8:50:35 GMT -5
Hi All,
The 'pool hall' effect was coined by myself. The basic premise is: If there are balls on the table, someone will try to knock 'em in, ie. create Chaos from peace. The point is that , no matter how long one stands by the table, the balls will move...Time is always the best bet.
C.
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Post by Charlotte on Jan 31, 2004 9:02:12 GMT -5
Hi Cogga's I'm almost to chapter 4, but as you question, and I thought from the very beginning, namely, I could go off in several different directions with words and every sentence G writes. I do have "Meeting with Remarkable Men", so will read it in between, and argh, Wilbur is and kicking manure all over the barnyard because I'm not paying attention to him. Give me Shakespeare or give me death! Or maybe the treasure of G. Yes, I love physics, particular-ly the quantum kind, and read the link to learn some about the lifter, since it's to late to finish chapter 3. Preparing myself to play with fire Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 1, 2004 12:13:46 GMT -5
In connection with the landing of Spirit and Opportunity on Mars, Mark Adler, deputy mission manager for the Mars exploration at NASA, said: "Was Mars part of our past? Maybe we are the Martians. Earth and Mars exchanged materials in the early days when the earth was forming." Interesting, maybe he read about the solar system "Ors", whose "inhabitants had the privilege of existing on other planets also." Mr. Adler must have a scientific angle for this statement. Mars, apparently finished, and the forming Earth "exchanging" materials in the early days. How can this happen? Maybe he means that materials flew through space from Mars to Earth, and vis-a-vis. It reminded me of "doing something useful for all of us" during the unforeseen delay of the ship Karnak, which docked on Mars, place of our exile. Maybe we put our heads together, mustered and concentrated all our will power to form diaphanous "streamers" to sort of "magnetically" attract the forming Earth, and threw hand or shovels full of red soil over to the forming Earth to make the earth "matter" to us as a planet of our future existence. But there was nobody on the Earth yet to throw materials back, so "exchange" is questionable. I like Beelzebub's explanation better: "For example, in my time these big transspace ships were so complicated and cumbersome that it took almost have their power to carry the materials necessary to elaborate their possibility of locomotion." This statement of G's I take as abstract, or the way we were once upon a time, round, as Ezekiel and Aristophanes tells us. Ezekiel has "the life of the creature in a wheel", and Aristophanes ought to know because he spoke bird language and thaught them to litigate. Chapter 3 "The Cause of Delay" page 60 At the moment, Hassein is curious to know just one thing, " . . . whether there dwell three-brained beings on the planets of the solar system (Ors) and whether higher 'beeing-bodies' are coated in them." "Yes", replied Beelzebub, "on almost all the planets of that solar system also", implying there ar others, "three-brained beings dwell, and in almost all of them higher being bodies can be coated. Higher being-bodies, or as they are called on some planets of that solar system, souls, arise in three-brained beings breeding on all the planets exept those before reaching which the emanations of our 'Most Holy Sun Absolute,' owing to repeated deflections, gradually lose the fullness of their strenght and eventually cease entirely to contain the vivific power for coating higher being-bodies. Certainly, my boy, on each seperate planet of this solar system also, the planetary bodies of the three-brained beings are coated and take an exterior form in conformity with the nature of the given planet, and are adapted in their details to the surrounding nature." The 7 Soul Bodies "Higher being-bodies can be coated", so the first phenomena is a 'higher being-body", our immortal soul as distinct from the mortal soul-psyche which dies with the physical body. When immortal Spirit, incorporeal, desires to see a form of itself and experience itself objectively, it must eminate a facet of itself which naturally partakes of this immortality, the immortal soul and Attaché of spirit. Much like the protoplasm is attached to and part of the nucleus, where dwells our "Most Holy Sun Absolute." In order to be able to descent into more concrete regions, the immortal soul must adapt and coat itself with the appropriate material "and take on an exterior form in conformity with the nature of a given planet." The A-theists, for instance, are not really Nonbelievers because they believe that they are atheists, who repeatedly deflect the emanations of our "Most Holy Sun Absolute" lose the fullness of their strenght and vivifying power, or as Fern said, they "forfeit their souls inheritance", and become "lost souls." But they're only lost, not dead, they are said to go back into "the divine ocean", a sort of "conservation of energy sphere" where they meet their fellow teeth-gnashing comrades, hold on to each other for dear life as the churning waves take them under and bring them up, and when the elememtals resolve that they have worked them over enough, they wash them ashore with the next appropriate to them life-wave. Elsewhere this is explained as our "Most Holy Sun Absolute" in the service of our LORD AND SOVEREIGN, and bound to our humanity by his own word to gather us in like chickens under his wings, goes into their hell once in a Kilpreno for 3 days, and opens the door to give them another chance to be "on the road again." Will as we may. G says that they "cease entirely to contain the vivific power for coating higher being-bodies", not that they themselves cease entirely, and on page 62 I see the first glimspe of "first and second being-foods." "Sin is the refusal to grow!" Manley Palmer Hall PS Coggas, I looked at a few things on the link you gave and was totally overwhelmed. That aspect of our subject must remain your domain, at least until, as they say, I can wrap my head around the fundamentals. I'll be cheering the "Panther" Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 2, 2004 10:08:05 GMT -5
"Life Is Real Only When I Am." Gurdjieff "You don't have to read the stars, the stars respond to who you are, when you are." My philosophy teacher I read the "Translators' Note" of "Meeting with Remarkable Men", and can say that I "saw" the man G as described in that note almost from the beginning of "The Arousing of Thought." On page 61 of chapter 3 "The Cause of Delay", Beelzebub describes that the three-brained beings on Mars "are coated with planetary bodies having the form--how shall I tell you--a form like a 'karoona,' that is to say, they have a long braod trunk, amply provided with fat, and heads with enormous protruding and shining eyes. On the back of this enormous 'planetary body' of theirs are two large wings, and on the underside two comparatively small feet with very strong claws. Almost the whole strenght of this enormous 'planetary body' is adapted by nature to generate energy for their eyes and wings. As a result, the three-brained beings breeding on that planet can see freely everywhere, whatever the 'Kal-da-zakh-tee,' and they can also move not only over the planet itself but also in its atmosphere and some of them occasionally even manage to travel beyond the limits of its atmosphere." I don't know what to make of this 'planetary body', only thoughts of a pre-historic creature of the Dinosaur family once upon a time on Mars, having keen sight as they could see freely everywhere whatever their horizon, and those who could see best could leave the atmosphere on Mars. The other image is the Greek Sphinx on account of the wings, claws, and also eagle eyes, as she could see whether or not a person had solved her riddle. But she was neither fat nor had a trunk. Something is amiss here, maybe it is an atribute of ours, I have to wait until the nickel drops, if ever. On another planet, "a little below Mars", there breed three-brained beings, which "are covered with thick soft wool owing to the intense cold" there. These beings may be our emotions, because "the external form of these three-brained beings is like that of a 'Toosook,' that is it resembles a kind of 'double sphere,' the upper sphere serving to contain the principle organs of the whole planetary body, and the other, the lower sphere, the organs for the transformation of the first and second being-foods. There ar three apertures in the upper sphere, opening outwards; two serve for sight and the third for hearing. The other, the lower sphere, has only two apertures: one in front for taking in the first and second being-foods, and the other at the back for the elimination from the organism of residues. To the lower sphere are also attached two very strong sinewy feet, and on each of thse is a growth that serves the purpose of fingers with us." This sounds like our body. I remember the teacher saying something like all beings are food for other beings, or lower in consciousness beings, whether visible or invisible, are food for beings with higher consciousness. Like yesterday at the football stadium, where a tremendous amount of energy is generated, which attracts beings just "above us" to absorb either negative or positive energy in motion, as needed or liked. Watching the game, the rather dead half time show, the mostly tacky commercials, and whatever, I definately felt that either they, or I, live on another planet. I also could see an unattractive, powerful entity ruling over the "spectacle." I always root for the underdog, was momentarely , but the Panthers fought a "valiant" fight in that sphere. The Moon "There is still another planet, a quite samll one, bearing the name Moon, in that solar system, my dear boy. During its motion this peculiar little planet often approached very near our planet Mars and sometimes during whole 'Kilprenos' I took great pleasure in observing through my 'Teskooano' in my observatory the process of existence of the three-brained beings upon it." So was "the City" or Cydonia region the observatory Beelzebub, or somebody, built? "Though the beings of this body have very frail 'planetary bodies,' they have on the other hand a very 'strong spirit,' owing to which they all possess an extraordinary perseverance and capacity for work. In exterior form they resemble what are called large ants; like these, they are always bustling about, working both on and within their planet. The results of their ceaseless activity are now plainly visible. I once happened to notice that during two of our years they 'tunneled', so to say, the whole of their planet. They were compelled to undertake this task on account of the abnormal local climatic conditions, which are due to the fact that this planet arose unexpectedly, and the regulation of its climatic harmony was therefore not prearranged by the higher powers." I have learned that these large ant-like beings with frail bodies, a strong spirit, and possessing an extraordinary perseverance and capacity for work, are those entities of our humanity who refuse to grow, and are called "scragglers." They have, and are a very strong spirit in stub-born-ness, and work at it exeedingly hard, tunneling on the dark side of the Moon. The Higher Powers, having the harmonious and lawful unfolding of consciousness in mind, didn't expect such a strong resistance, therefore they had to have a place where to contain them so as not to hinder the progress of those ready to move on. "The 'climate' of this planet is 'mad,' and in its veriability it could give points to the most highly strung hysterical women existing on another of the planets of that same solar system, of which I shall also tell you." Ok, it is true that women are given to hysterics more than men, but what is worse in my estimation is, that men only haul at the Moon and turn into werewolfs up to no good, whereas women rather do a moon dance imagining themselves to be its children with one being its goddess, and therefore theirs as well. It's crazy, but I think there is an underlaying cause, or something stored in our memory for such behavior. "Sometimes there are such frosts on this 'Moon' that everything is frozen through and through and it becomes impossible for beings to breath in the open atmosphere; and then suddenly it becomes so hot there that an egg can be cooked in its atmosphere in a jiffy." That I think is our psyche and/or emotions, which can go at the slightest provocation from ice cold to boiling over in a jiffy. "For only two short periods on that peculiar little planet, namely, before and after its complete revolution about it's neighbor--another planet nearby--the weather is so glorious and for several rotations the whole planet is in blossom and yields the various products for their first being-food greatly in excess of their general need during their existence in that peculiar interplanetry kingdom which they have arranged and where they are protected from all vageries of this 'mad' climate inharmoniously changing the state of the atmosphere." Maybe a romantic interlude during which the moon struck make harmony. "Nearest to that small planet is another, a larger planet, which also occasionally approaches quite close to the planet Mars and is called Earth. The said Moon is just a part of this Earth and the latter must now constantly maintain the Moon's existence." This latter statement affirms Fern's view, namely, as I said before, that the spirit of the moon made transition to the earth, which wasn't ready either to receive us, so there are lunatics still on the moon as well as on the Earth, and all "because, in Fern's words, "everything went heywire in "Eden" because, in G's words: "Thanks to the impetuosity and force of Beelzebub's nature, his intervention together with his comrades the soon captured all minds, and the effect was to bring the central kingdom of the Megalocosmos almost to the edge of revolution." Madam Blavatsky states that the Moon circles her child the Earh, and vampireses it. It also tries to draw water back to itself as in the tides. And there are the 4 rivers in "Eden", and in the Bible, and "The Nile, the river from the Moon." Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 3, 2004 10:20:53 GMT -5
Chapter 3 "The Cause of the Delay" page 63 "On the just mentioned planet Earth, also, three-brained beings are formed, and they also contain all the data for coating higher being-bodies in themselves." I understand this to mean that we are the "microcosm" of the philosophers, containing all the data of the macrocosm "for coating higher being-bodies", suggesting we had a higher being-body which we coated with "materials" in our descend to eventually have a solid body as we are now, as I described briefly in my post at Ma'at "The "fall" of the Photon and the 7 Kingdoms of Nature." Light or the "birth" of consciousness as the first fiat of the phenomenal universe, causing time as well. The "fall" of man into generation comes much later. Repeating myself, there are two creations in Genesis, the first Eden "when 'there' was not a man to till the earth", and the second, when "the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed." The first, the condensing of the original energy, said to be the peculiarity of the gods themseves, the photon condensing into mass to form a charged particle, then the joining of opposite charges to constitute a neutral atom, and the atoms get together to form molecules or "the dust of the ground" from which "the Lord God formed Adam and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Or one higher being-body to be coated. There is no getting away from spirit vivifying matter, as can easely be seen on a "still born" infant or dead person. The second garden, eastward in Eden where he put Adam, and there is "the river went out of Eden, was parted, and became into four heads." Adam went into a deep sleep, and when he woke up the Lord God asked him to name the animals, to see what Adam knew about himself thus far, or that stage in our evolution. But Adam was lonely, a positive can't do anything without a negative, he became desirous of a companion in his image and likeness, imagined and projected all his fantasies and here we are, his "finest ornament", but that's another longest story. It betokens the devision of the sexes, which can be traced in biology. In Genesis the writers of the Bible describe evolution. The Kabalists sum it up in their axiom "a god becomes a man and a man becomes a god." Back to page 63 On the planet Earth, obliged to take care of its ailing mother, the Moon, where live the large ant-like beings with frail bodies and strong spirits, live three-brained beings, but in 'strenght of spirit' they do not begin to compare with the beings breeding on the little planet (Moon) aforementioned." This could be a sort of brains versus brawn, or those on the Moon remain in the less concrete bodies all of us had living there before we took on more "materials", or, their spirit of resisting to come along is stronger than our own was, or, they just plain wearing out their external forms tunneling forever. "The external coating of the three-brained beings of that planet Earth closely resemble our own; only, first of all, their skin is a little slimier, and then, secondly, they have no tail, and their heads are without horns. What is worst about them is their feet, namely, they have no hoofs; it is true that for protection against external influences they have invented what they call 'boots,' but this invention does not help them very much." Though there skin a little less slimier, Beelzebub describes himself, Hassein, and "his gang" as an image given to the multitude by "Brother Foolon" and his Sisters. On the other hand, my philosophy teacher said that the devil is a very real "figure", which JohnDM affirms, and some time ago I heard on the radio on the way to work, a women, who seemed to me quite calm and rational, saying, that the devil appeared to her, I forgot the circumstance, and told her that he was old and tired, and sorry for what he did in his pride. And, when living in the Hollywood Hills, I had a dream in which my landlady and I were standing on the upstairs balcony marveling at life and nature. My eye caught a threatening man figure dressed all in black, standing a good distance on the street below, who looked up at us and said: "Do you want me to annihilate the both of you?" With that he "went", meaning he disappeared in a cold flash so fast as can not be "imagined." In NO time. Beelzebub continues: "Apart from their imperfections of their exterior form, their Reason also is quite 'uniquely strange. Their 'being-Reason,' owing to very many causes about which also I may tell you some time, has gradually degenerated, and at the present ime, is very, very strange and exceedingly peculiar." All these faculties, attributes, qualities and quantities we have are "beings." I'm feeling the hot pepper pods beginning to work. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 4, 2004 10:26:16 GMT -5
The end of chapter 3 "The Cause of Delay" pages 64-65
Beelzebub tells his grandson Hassein that the exterior coating of the three-brained beings on planet Earth "resembles our own", that their form is imperfect, owing to they have no tail, no horns on their heads, feet instead of hoofs, and their skin is a little slimier. Apart from this, their "being-Reason" exceedingly diviates from the norm, and promises "the boy to tell him about the beings on planet Earth on another occasion."
The Captain comes back and "Beelzebub asked the captain to tell him, first, who he was, how long he had been captain, and how he liked his work, and afterwards to explain some of the details of the contemporay cosmic ships.
Thereupon the captain said:
"Your Right Reverence, I was destined by my father, as soon as I reached the age of a responsible being, for this career in the service of our ENDLESS CREATOR.
Starting with the lowest position on the transspace ships, I ultimately merited to perform the duties of captain on the long distance ships.
This last post of mine, namely, that of captain of the ship Karnak, I took, strictly speaking, in succession to my father, when after his long years of blameless service to HIS ENDLESSNESS in the performance of the duties of captain from almost the very beginning of the World-creation, he had become worthy to be promoted to the post of Ruler of the solar system 'Kalman."
"In short", continued the captain, "I began my service just when your Right Reverence was departing for the place of your exile."
The captian's father of "blameless service to HIS ENDLESSNESS from almost the very beginning of the Wold-creation", and "Ruler of the solar system 'Kalman,' may be Adam Kadmon, the Logos crucified in space. The captain, his son, may be Michael, the Christ principle or cross-over from HIS ENDLESSNESS and to HIS ENDLESSNESS, for nobody goes to the Father save through him, who is crucified on the cross of matter on Golgotha, the scull, between the temples on each side, as we are. But we have grown in consciousness and can "do bigger and better things." Also, because the captain, or the Archangel Michael, began his service just when Beelzebub or Lucifer, Michaels twin, "was departing for the place of his exile. The time of the war in "heaven", and heaven and hell are in our mind.
"I was still only a 'sweeper' on the long-distance ships of that period", says the captain. Again, maybe our divine evolving ego.
"Yes . . . a long, long time has passed by.
Everything has undergone change and is changed since then; only our LORD AND SOVEREIGN remains unchanged. The blessings of 'Amenzano' on HIS UNCHANGEABLENESS throughout Eternity!
"You, your Right Reverence, have condescended to remark very justly that the former ships were very inconvinient and cumbersome.
"Yes, they were then, indeed, very complicated and cumbersome. I too remember them very well. There is an enormous difference between the ships of that time and the ships now.
"In our youth all such ships both for intersystem and for interplanetary communication were still run on the cosmic substance 'Elekilpomagtisten,' which is a totality consisting of two seperate parts of the omnipresent Okidanokh." Lol
"And it was to obtain this totality that just those numerous materials were necessary which the former ships had to carry.
"But these ships did not remain in use long after you flew from these parts, having soon thereafter been replaced by ships of the system of Saint Venoma."
This gets into science now, the forming and transformation of our planetary body, as well as the unfolding of consciousness. Surely, "the ships both for intersystem and for interplanetary communication" were complicated relationships of body, mind and soul, as we say. Electricity and magnetism combined to a totality from "two seperate parts of the omnipresent Okidanokh." So what is the omnipresent essence or "thing" permiating space? Ether, life force, Azoth, universal nuomena ? And what causes electricity and magnetism to become a totality? Magnetism or attraction, with it's opposite repulsion must come before electricity. Maybe this is old and cumbersome science, and the enormous difference of the new ships is higher consciousness. This gets complicated now and I have to think about it some more. Here I thought I delayed everybody long enough.
As with other rare books, I feel like starting again from the beginning because I know I would see many things I haven't.
Today, for G and you Coggas, because you started it all, I'll end with words of the great poet:
Within these cloistered rhymes thy loving eye That has been light to my devized pen, Shall in reflect some deeper scripture spy, That of dead tongues makes living speach again.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 5, 2004 10:27:32 GMT -5
Sitting here, I am experiencing "the state which Mullah Nassr Eddin defines by the words 'to feel oneself plunged in galoshes up to the eyebrow's." Why then do laugh instead of ? Because in "Meetings with Remarkable Men", G confirms that he employes "a form of exposition which might be understandable" to some "at least to those especially trained in, so to say, abstract thinking", and that "little by little" he "had become more adroit in the art of concealing serious thoughts in an enticing, easily grasped outer form, and in making all those thoughts which I term 'discernible only with the lapse of time . . ." "Only he will deserve the name of man and can count upon anything prepared for him from Above, who has already acquired corresponding data for being able to preserve intact both the wolf and the sheep confided to his care." "A 'psycho-associative philological analysis' of this saying of our ancestors which was made by a certain learned men of our times--of course not from among those breeding on the continent of Europe--clearly showed that the word 'wolf' symbolizes the whole of the fundamental and reflex functioning of the human organism and the word 'sheep' the whole of the functioning of a man's feeling. As for the functioning of man's thinking, this is represented in the saying by man himself, a man who, in the process of his responsible life, owing to his conscious labours and voluntary sufferings, has acquired in his common presence corresponding data for always being able to create conditions for a possible existence together with those two heterogeneous and mutually alien lives. Only such a man can count upon and become worthy to possess that which, as affirmed in this saying, is prepared from Above and is, in general, foreordained for man." I feel profound and drawn upward. He advises to remember "the wise and ancient saying, 'always to strive that the wolf be full and the sheep intact." Another phrase I like is "to admit with one's mind and agree with one's feeling", because "feeling" is usually dismissed by science as so much emotional baggage, whereas the Ancients maintained that a truth is "heartfelt." To feel something in one's "heart of hearts", or in one's "bones", the latter also double, physical and memory, is, of course, different than the emotionalism cunningly instigated with fear or reward, and at times whipped up to frenzy, by the ugly entity presiding over materialism. So I feel at ease with holding the first 3 chapters in suspension, and encouraged that in due time I'll understand what G means to convey, and complain again that one can't get any help around here. Page 65 "The Cause of Delay" Beelzebub talks of ships for "intersystem" and "interplanetary communication", which ships were powered by an electromagnetic force, consisting of two parts of the omnipresent Okidanokh, and that these former ships had to carry noumerous materials to obtain this totality electromagnetism. If I could hurry my mind to define precisely what this Oki-doky is, maybe on one hand quantum consciousness of the deity, on the other the vexed Fohat, I could make headway. I don't see any "evidence" of physical space ships, and besides "But the ships did not remain in use for a long after you (B)flew from these parts, having soon thereafter been replaced by ships of the system of Saint Venoma." Saint Vemona? So far I'm into evolution of the races of whole Kilprenos with corresponding states of consciousness. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 6, 2004 9:29:30 GMT -5
The Moon is full once again!
On the way home from work yesterday, I drove headon toward the rising Moon. Low on the horizon, it was big, about a meter in diameter, and looked transparent. This morning it looks rather loving to me as it bathes the earth in it's light. The Moon fascinates me.
Chapter 4 "The Law of Falling" page 66
The captain of the Karnak tells Beelzebub that "in the year 185, by objective time-calculation", (as opposed to subjective time-calculation, now I'm thinking--is there time in the subjective? 'Tis a tricky one because it entails several steps)
"Saint Venoma had been taken for his merits from the planet 'Soort' to the holy planet 'Purgatory,' where, after he had familiarized himself with his new surroundings and new duties, he gave all his free time to his favorite work.
"And his favorite work was to seek what new phenomena could be found in various combinations of already existing, law-conformable phenomena.
"And sometime later, in the course of these occupations, this Saint Venoma first constated in cosmic laws what later became a famous discovery, and this discovery he first called the 'Law of Falling.' Gravity?
Time is running out on me this morning to think about the planet "Soort" and "Purgatory", who Saint Venoma might be, and continue with G's beautiful description of this "Law of Falling."
Have a great day everyone
Charlotte
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Post by Ian on Feb 7, 2004 0:50:59 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte, You asked- The captain of the Karnak tells Beelzebub that "in the year 185, by objective time-calculation", (as opposed to subjective time-calculation, now I'm thinking--is there time in the subjective? Further on in the book, G says that - "Time is the unique subjective phenomenon." Good to see you enjoying the book. Ian www.aandeconference.org/
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 7, 2004 9:37:34 GMT -5
Thanks Ian,
for bringing to my conscious attention the term "objective time CALCULATION." It's easy to imagin away the calendar, the devision of the year into 365 days, with adjustment, the counting of years, the 24 hours in a day etc., and just live and move and have one's being--I can't even say eternity because it too is a concept of time. Huh . . .
Chapter 4 "The Law of Falling" page 66
This cosmic law which he then discovered, St. Venoma himself formulated thus:
"Everything existing in the World falls to the bottom. And the bottom of any part of the Universe is its nearest "stability", and this said "stability" is the place or the point upon wich all the lines of force arriving from all directions converge.
"The centers of all the suns and all the planets of our Universe are just such points of "stability." They are the lowest points of those regions of space upon which forces from all directions of the given part of the Universe definitely tend and where they are concentrated. In these points there is also concentrated the equilibrium which enables suns and planets to maintain their position." These two paragraphs are so grand!! As though a whole new Universe opened up in my mind.
"In this formulation of his, Saint Venoma said further that everything when dropped into space, wherever it may be, tends to fall on one or another sun or on one or another planet, according to which sun or planet the given part of space belongs to, where the object is dropped, each sun or planet being for the given sphere the 'stability' or bottom."
Is it inappropriate to ask what determines where in space this "nearest stability" or the "bottom" or the lowest point" should be, because it is an unalterable law of physics? And is this point the highest or lowest point of energy which attracts lines of force from all directions to concentrate there?
"Starting from this, Saint Vemona reasoned in his further researches as follows:
"If this be so, may it not therefore be possible to employ this cosmic particularity (I see, it's a cosmic particularity, which it says in my dictionary is "the state of being distinguished from all else) for the locomotion we need between the spaces of the Universe?" Well yes, if we could negate the gravitational hold of a given sphere.
"And from then on he worked in this direction.
"His further saintly labors showed that although in principle this was in general possible, yet it was impossible fully to employ for this purpose this 'Law of Falling' discovered by him. And it would be impossible owing solely to the atmosphere would hinder the straight falling of the object dropped in space.
"Having constated this, Saint Venoma then devoted his whole attention to discovering some means of overcoming the said atmospheric resistance for ships constructed on the principle of Falling." Ahso.
"And after three 'Looniases' (lol is a Looniases a longer or shorter objective time calculation than a Kilpreno?) Saint Venoma did find such a possibility, and later on when the building of a suitable special construction had been completed under his direction, he proceeded to practical trails."
Rocket science has overcome the "atmospheric resistance" of the earth, and is employing the "sling-shot effect" in space travel, but it still seems to cumbersome, costly, and most of all slow, so I hope Saint Venoma has found a more efficient and swifter way to travel objectively to and between planets and suns, and gather star dust from a comet.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 9, 2004 10:50:28 GMT -5
Chapter 4 "The Law of Falling" page 67 Saint Venoma "devoted his whole attention to discovering some means of overcoming the said atmospheric resistance for ships constructed on the principle of falling." The only thing I can think of is that these ships were the planets themselves? Noah's Ark, for instance, was the planet earth itself which was washed clean psychologically as described before. The practical trails of Saint Venoma to build a ship which could overcome the gravitational hold of objects on a planet. "This special construction had the appearance of a large enclosure, all the walls of which were made of a special material something like glass. "Then to every side of the large enclosure were fitted things like 'shutters' of a material impervious to the rays of the cosmic substance 'Elekilpomagtistzen,' and these shutters, although closely fitted to the walls of said enclosure, could yet freely slide in every direction. "Within the enclosure was placed a special 'battery,' generating and giving this same substance 'Elekilpomagtistzen.' "I myself, your Right Reverance, was present at the first trails made by Saint Venoma according to the principles he had discovered. "The whole secret lay in this, that when the rays of 'Elekilpomagtistzen' were made to pass through this special glass, then in all the space they reached, everything usually composing the atmosphere itself of planets, such as 'air', every kind of 'gas', 'fog,' and so on, was destroyed. This part of space became absolutly empty and had neither resistance nor pressure, so that, if even an infant-being pushed this enormous structure, it would move forward as easley as a feather. "To the outer side of this peculiar structure there were attached appliances similar to wings, which were set in motion by means of this same substance 'Elekilpomagtistzen' and served to give the impetus to move all this enormous construction in the required direction. "The results of these experiments having been approved and blessed by the Commission of Inspection under the presidency of Archangel Adossia, the construction of a big ship based on these principles was began." All this has got to be, or have to do with our evolution from one stage to the next, BECAUSE OTHER THAN THIS I CAN'T THINK OF ANY SUCH SHIPS, Coggas, help, where are you? You said something about commenting apropos the scientific and archaelogical aspects in the fourth chapter. As far as I can tell, the large enclosure is our head, the special material glass our mind, the brain being the material or 'matter' on that glass like the black stuff on the back of a mirror, we can't see through but only reflections or the past. The 'shutters' maybe our eyes which can slide freely in every direction, and are impervious to the cosmic substance Electromagnetism, because nothing stops us from seeing to the horizon? What is the "special battery" in our head--a neuronal network, neurons firing generating giving this same electromagnetism? If I look at the large enclosure also as our body, the "special battery" our heart, the pulse point generating an electrical charge? And when the rays of of electromagnitism pass through this special glass, all matter usually composing the atmosphere of the planet head being removed, air, gas, fog, and such, absolutely empty, neither resistance nor pressure, an absents of thought, a clear mind, the "pure thought" of Einstein which can grasp reality, rather, a "pesents." Even an infant can move its head as easily as a feather. The appliances similar to wings, our ears, which "were" set in motion by means of this same substance Elekilpogmagnistzen, and "served" from the very beginning, "to give the impetus to move all this enormous construction", our body, "in the required direction." Sound and equilibrium. "The results of these experiments" a phase in our Odyssey has been "approved and blessed by the Commission of Inspection", and "based on these principles" the construction of a big ship was began which "was soon ready and commissioned for service. And in a short time, little by little, ships of this type came to be used exclusively, on all the lines of intersystem communication." "Although later, your Right Reverence, the inconveniences of this system gradually became more and more apparent, nevertheless it continued to displace all the systems that had existed before." And so on, one system replaces the previous as our ships had to adapt to external planetary conditions, forming simultaneously with our ships, and now the pepper pods are smelting my brain. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 10, 2004 10:12:03 GMT -5
End of chapter 4 "The Law of Falling" page 68 The captain of the ship Karnak to Beelzebub: "It cannot be gainsaid that although the ships (of Saint Venoma) constructed on this system were ideal in atmosphereless spaces, and moved there almost with the speed of the rays 'Etzikolnianakhnian' issuing from the planets, yet when nearing some sun or planet it became real torture for the beings directing them, as a great deal of complicated maneuvering was necessary. "The need for this maneuvering was due to the same 'Law of Falling.' Yes, true, as I said before, modern science is now acquainted with this law. "And this was because when the ship came into the medium of the atmosphere of some sun or planet which it had to pass, it immediately began to fall towards that sun or planet, and as I have already intimated, very much care and considerable knowledge were needed to prevent this ship from falling out of its course." True again. "While the ships were passing near any sun or planet whatsoever, their speed of locomotion had sometimes to be reduced hundred of times below their usual rate." Yes. "It was particularly difficult to steer them in those spheres where there was a great aggregation of 'comets.' I can imagin it was. comet clusters? "That is why great demands were made upon the beings who had to direct these ships, and they were prepared for these duties by beings of very high Reason. "But in spite of the said drawbacks of the system of Saint Venoma, it gradually, as I have already said, displaced all the previous systems. "And the ships of this system of Saint Venoma had already existed for twenty-three years when it was first rumored that the Angel Hariton had invented a new type of ship for intersystem and interplanetary communication." "n this 'Law of Falling', either G refers to objective ships "Yes . . . a long, long time has passed", that this time has "bent" out of our memory entirely, but owing to the other things he says, and his acquaintance with the Brotherhood of the "Originators of making butter from air" I don't think so, unless all this happened in another, invisible dimension, which do exist, though in our mind as they are nowhere to be seen outside. G also makes a distinction of ships of "intersystem" and "interplanetary communication", but always mentions them together and parallel, as I see it. I understand it much more to be, as I said before, the "fall" of light as the photon, it, the photon being already "downloaded" from much more rarified states of light, consciousness being the first. Light or consciousness has no resistance or pressure per se. When the original energy of the photon condenses into mass, particles are formed, the beginning of "cosmic concentrations", atmospheric conditions, and the "holy planet 'Purgatory" where we are. Of course, they say that there is a purgatory on the way back too, though I never thought of it as a "planet." Nice form for the mind to work with. "The mind does not create, it assmilates" according to Madam Blavatsky, and that makes sense to me. So the question is: when I wander around in my mind, are my thoughts subject to this 'Law of Falling' toward the planets in my memory, and toward a point of "stability" my thoughts tend to? Sounds logical and reasonable to me. All in all, I can't get away from the first light, to the photon exchanging freedom for stability and permanence, air, gas, fog, atoms and lastly molecules, and then the stages of evolution to the human form as we are now with the help of "beings of very high Reason." Maybe the "Originators of making butter from air" or molding matter. And I'm back to the "Avatars of Vishnu." 1. The fish 2. Kum, the tortoise, very cumbersome, taking "almost half the power to carry the materials necessary to elaborate their possible lokomotion." 3. Varaha the Boar 4. Nara-Sing the man-lion 5. Vamuna the dwarf, first human form, Saint Venoma's system, though it had drawbacks, "gradually"replaced all the previous systems. And now there are rumors "that the Angel Hariton had invented a new type of ship for intersystem and interplanetary communication", which might be 6. Parasu-Rama, a Hari tone. Thoughts of the observer are ships for intersystem and interplanetary communication, science theorizes, and "thinking is the best way to travel" the Moody Blues sing. Happy thinking Charlotte
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Post by JohnDMiller on Feb 10, 2004 14:07:56 GMT -5
“Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and *Satan also came among them. And the LORD said to Satan, "From where do you come? So Satan answered the LORD and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down." Book of Job.
I walk, so I am, I talk but that’s makes me like all others, the angels included.
But walking means I am of the Earth, a man, for I can walk up and down.
For I am human and bound by both time and gravity, and time is bound by gravity, at 177,000 miles per second. And the Moon is a symbol of both time and gravity and the Bible calls the Moon the symbol of the Ruler of Darkness, so I am ruled over by Darkness.
Yet, although, I am ruled over the force of Darkness, my faith ensures I will enter the timelessness of Eternity, for my faith has given me my unseen eagles wings that await my death to carry me up and away.
And gravity at 1770 + Moon time at 890 is 2,660 or Venus at twice 1,330, that is Lucifer, without the seven lamps. And 1,330 is 7 x 190, and 190 is…
So humanity, walks on the Earth in ‘Time’, and controlled by Lucifer.
Sad
JohnDM
PS
Time at 89,000,000 and /2 and cube root is 12 lunar months of 29.53058776 days or a perfect ‘festival’ month of 29 days 12 hours 44 minutes 02.8 seconds.
The diameter of Venus is 7,518.796 miles, and the reciprocation is 1.3300e-04 (And it is!)
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Post by coggas on Feb 11, 2004 6:57:36 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte,
Now we are in SYNC.
"The whole secret lay in this, that when the rays of 'Elekilpomagtistzen' were made to pass through this special glass, then in all the space they reached, everything usually composing the atmosphere itself of planets, such as 'air', every kind of 'gas', 'fog,' and so on, was destroyed. This part of space became absolutly empty and had neither resistance nor pressure, so that, if even an infant-being pushed this enormous structure, it would move forward as easley as a feather."
Well the only substance that than can have these sorts of effects on Mangetic-Fields is a super-conductor, and G. seems to describe type one and type two very well. In regards to the 'glass' the first thing that comes to mind is the cathedrals built by the Templars. Laurence Garndner attributes the 'stained-glass' effect to ancient knowledge of super-conducting platinum group metals in a specific 'state'. Maybe they do have an effect on EM fields, someone better get to Chatres and check it out...
Cogga's.
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 11, 2004 8:35:50 GMT -5
Hi JohnDM, "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord. Satan also came among them. The Lord said to Satan: from where do you come? And Satan answered: from going to and fro on the earth and from walking up and down." The sons of GOD present themselves before the LORD, so is God the Creator "of whom nothing can be said", and the Lord one of the Elohim, "those who sought to create matter?" You said once "there is an Elohim in him." It would mean that the Lord is a "secondary" God, a sort of go-between the Creator and humanity, or "Jehovah", who is not omni-science-knowing, because, though it is not in the form of a question, he says to Satain: "From where do you come?" And Satan says that he goes to and fro on the Earth, and up and down, the go-between entity. So are Jehovah and Satan one and the same who beguiled us pure angel-selfhoods, who followed him and became humanity? Is there the "fall" into the generation of "number", seen in geometry first because God indeed geometrizes as Plato said, and I can also say, then "matter", or spirit mixed with matter? Satan and Lucifer are not the same as far as I'm conserned. Satan is the "Adversary", who is "rebuked" only, resistance and therefore "evil-live" inverted. Lucifer I see on the bright side as Light-Bearer and Light-Bringer, as Venus Light-Giver, and if it isn't so, I think it so, and as long as my thoughts are lighted, and I change this now: "As a women thinketh so it is with her." It's always men, men, men! Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 11, 2004 10:21:56 GMT -5
Hi Cogga's,
I'm having problems getting into Above-Below, and posting this morning. I like your comments and will think about them today.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 12, 2004 9:09:29 GMT -5
Hi Cogga's,
The ancient knowledge of super-conducting platinum group metals in a specific 'state' effect electro-magnetic fields. From all I learned, read, and experienced, I have no doubt that the Ancient possessed such knowledge. I think the Pyramids were built by neutlalizing gravity, or as the Egyptians say, with the help of the giini. In talking about the Coral Castle in Florida, an engineer explained how this might be done.
Did the builders of the Cathedrals fashion the stained glass windows to be super-conducters to destroy air, gas, and fog, and make a part of space in the large enclosure empty, having neither resistance and nor pressure, and so built them? Because it is inconceivable to me how such enormous weights, as also the stones of the Pyramids, could be lifted by ordinary means as usually described.
Are the "appliances similar to wings" on the outside of the structure the "flying buttresses" and the "shutters" of materials impervious to electro-magnetism those stained-glass windows? What is the name G gives, as far as I read, to type one and type two super-conducters, and this special "battery" inside the enclosure generating the same substance electro-magnetism?
If I was to visit Chartres, which I been wanting to do forever, on my next trip to Europe, what would I "check out?" Stand in the rays coming through the Rosetta Window or others to experience this absolutely empty space? And would I know or feel that there is neither resistance nor pressure without moving some thing in the Cathedral, or the Cathedral itself "as easily as a feather?" Huh! I have a feeling that if by some such "accident" I should come upon it, I would know it, and not move a thing, no no.
I wonder if colors and "sound" are in the picture, as Pythagoras statet the he could collapse any building by sounding it's key note.
It's indeed a good thing that knowledge of such power is guarded so well by currently whom? The elusive Knights Templars who guard the "Holy Grail?"
Thanks for pointing me in a new direction.
Charlotte
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Post by BERNHARD on Feb 12, 2004 11:25:10 GMT -5
Dear Charlotte and JohnDM, this is very very complex and at the same time fascinating topic. only a small experience ( of really some ) by my own, happened about 15 years ago: to help a person (suffering from a strong depression )for getting in contact with her brother, who had been suddenly died by cancer, i made a spiritistic session ( i only do if of great importance ). i warned the ladies to redo it "just for fun" ! ok, no more details, but finally one thing happened: i felt a changing atmosphere, i clearly knew, that other suddenly other NEGATIVE entities entered our scenario, i got warning by the other assisting GOOD beings like "ACHTUNG" (=attention) or "VORSICHT" (=caution), and the session became disturbed, accompanied by strange questions, wrong answers, and real obscene words ! the negative atmosphere filled the (dining)-room. so i decided to stop the session, and i clearly claimed the leader of the other (bad) party to peacefully leave us and this home ! the entity got angry, and suddenly he gave me his last answer: on my table and on the paper i used to communicate he produced within only some seconds the DRAWING of a SNAKE ( about 50 cm in lenght ! ), then it was over, it was silent, and the emotional athmosphere became again warmer and confortable. HE was gone ! some days later the ladies tried to do it by themselves, instead of been warned by me. late in the night i got a phone-call ( around 22.30 o clock ) in the evening, begging for instant help and assistance ! Bernie : you must come !! PLEASE help us ! the devil has come into our house ! ok, together with a good friend of mine ("uwe"), we jumped into his car and hurried to the ladie's home ! inside the atmosphere was poisoned, strange-effects could be watched or heared, and the little dog was howling, hiding itself in the corner. ok, i could stop the whole theatre, and the pale ladies never tried to do this again ! this is only one story, other's were totally different, and are standing in context with paranormal efffects like phenomons in a haunted old building ( 500 years old) of a friend of mine. ( we have been restoring and repairing it over 5 years ). NOW BACK TO THE HEAVENLY LIGHT: the bible itself gives us a very interesting hint regarding the true might nature of JEHOVAH/JAHWE/"j-h-w-h". read EXODUS 33.20: "And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live." ( according to the WEBSTER bible ). i believe, the meaning is, you (moses) can not see him (GOD), and staying aLIVE at the same time. to see HIM (J-H-W-H) would be absolutely deadlyto him (moses), for JHWH is not only a (multi.personal ?) entity, but pure (cosmic) ENERGY as well ! ok, at this moment i will not discuss all the different ways to interprete or understand angels(good+bad), god(s), so called deceases persons, and parallel-universes and so on. we have enough stuff for many years sharing our thoughts ,ideas and dreams ! greetings and "ciao": Bernie
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 13, 2004 8:37:19 GMT -5
Hi Bernie, Very interesting what you write here. Not referring to your experience, I have never been to a seance for the very reason of people dabbling in dangerous things they can't control. Some years ago I "experimented" very carefully with the pentagram some, but stopped after only a week . . . I would like to talk about this subject some, and will ask Don to move it to a seperate thread so we can talk about G only on this one, because I really want to concentrate on his teachings. Are their really "Uwe's" in Bavaria? Charlotte
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