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Post by BERNHARD on Jul 2, 2004 12:16:00 GMT -5
DEAR CHARLOTTE, now the stress seems to come to an end. this weekend we will see, if we did a good job. so it may be, that next week i will have more time to share this twosome discussion-forum, to enjoy and answer your contributions. guess, it was one or two days ago, when i just entered this site, to only have a short watch at it, when i suddenly recognized our dear Don while being "active" for a short moment. wow ! hey, this guy is still alive, a good message, isn't it ! ? ok, then i hope to see you and the hidden members here in the next week ! a fine weekend, enjoy it, and do not feel disappointed because the actual miss of some more conversation ! all the best wishes from bavaria: Bernie
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 3, 2004 9:10:57 GMT -5
Hi Bernie You are so kind to encourage me once again, a echter Landsman, someday we must meet at the Walhalla, sit on one of the long flight of steps, watch the Donau flowing by, and marvel at the stories and architecure of our beloved Bavaria. My mother told me that when they were young and so in love, which they were all their life, my father would swimm across the Donau there to challenge the current and himself, and probably impress her lol. He told her that as long as she watched him there was no way he could drown. Ahhh . . . my father was so wise and special. There seemed to be nothing he didn't know or couldn't do. He was a collector of metals, and spending much time with him it was my job as a girl to polish them, and when my hands were raw from the viniger and salt and I brought a piece to him, he would point to the remaining tarnished spots . . . I was in tears many times and hated him, but never for long Still alive, my gentle and wise in her simplicity mother, came to the bottom line of quantum mechanics through life's experience: "Jeda macht's sich's aso wias eam passt." Everyone makes or fits, or sees it the way he likes it." Meanwhile I'll keep tunneling through Gurdjieff's teachings like the large ants on the Moon, "working both on and within their planet." They have a very "strong spirit', owing to which they all possess an extraordinary perseverance and capacity for work." Not so . . . I mean to honor my father Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 4, 2004 10:42:46 GMT -5
Don was actually here? He probably checks now and then to see if we go by the rules lol.
Well I still don't know who King Appolis is. When I first read about the "twelve Lemurian Disciples", and that the Atlanteans called them "Holy Lemurians", the Zodiak came to mind, King Appolis being the sun, or son.
Last night I was thinking maybe he represents the demiurge of the world, Atlas the "Grand Man" of the Kabalists, and the three-brains of us three-brained beings are the three suns of Paracelsus: "the first lights the spirit, the second the soul, and the third the body."
"The Rosicrucians affirmed the existence of an intellectual sun, which illumines the sphere of reason, (and Gurdjieff puts great emphasis on 'Reason') as well as a spiritual sun by which our divine natures are lighted. By the spiritual sun, von Welling understood God the Father; by the intellectual (or soular) sun, Christos the Redeemer, and by the physical (or bodily) sun, Lucifer who, falling from heaven, established his kingdom in the abyss and is now "locked" within the elemental bodies which have encased his fire. Of the three great brains in the body, therefore, the solar plexus is the "brain of Kama", reflecting from its "polished surface" the rays of the emotional nature, which from this center are distributed throughout the body; and also receiving into itself psychical impressions." M.P. Hall
Beelzebub talks of a revolutionary psychosis of the masses, maybe emotional hysteria because "they even suffered grief", but I am not clear as to the "wager", the "naive countyman" who encouraged King Appolis to change the government, which didn't work, and then was helped by some elders to establish the old order.
In occult anatomy, the solar plexus is most interesting, emphasized by the Egyptians to the point of not to be missed: the exposed and exaggerated stomach of Akhenaton for instance, and Nefertiti also has an overstated navel. No beautiful women would have such an unattractive "outsy" lol. Neither are such portrayals the fancy of the artists at the time, and it is totally rediculous to speculate that Akhenaton was a more down to earth Pharaoh who wanted to be portrayed as he was, more natural, not as the man of perfect physic the Egyptians usually depict their kings. Since he and his queen are also shown as "normal" people, the extreemly repulsive image must have a different meaning.
And just like the great change in the government of Samlios under Appolis, there was a great change with Akhenaton, depicted "feminine", opposite Hatshepsut depicted "masculine." Isha de Lubicz writes about this "emotional" problem, which I will read again after work. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 5, 2004 11:05:06 GMT -5
In my last paragraph of the previous post, I didn't mean to say that the change of King Appolis government was the same as in Akhenatons time.
Instead of reading Isha de Lubicz' explanation of Akhenaton and Hatshepsut yesterday, I was invited and went to a barbecue, ate a hot dog and such, drank a glas of wine, overslept and feel lousy this morning. I should stick to gin and tonic, or good whisky for no hangover. The fireworks were nice though, shot up from a barge in the ocean almost right in front of us. On the other hand, they are not nearly as invigorating as fireworks going off in one's head sometimes.
It was a gathering of really nice people, but somehow I can't get into these things, never did actually. And now I have to go to work again, rats . . .
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 10, 2004 10:33:29 GMT -5
Chapter 16, "The Relative Understanding of Time" Page 121
So that Hassein can better understand our psyche, and generally everything about our peculiar planet, Beelzebub wants his grandson to "have an accurate representation of" the way we calculate time, "and of how the being-sensation of what is called the 'process-of-the-flow-of-time' in the presence of the three-brained beings of that planet has gradually changed and also how this process now flows in the presences of the contemporay three-brained beings."
Only when this is made clear does Hassein have the possibility to clearly represent to himself "and understand the events there which I have already related and those I shall yet relate."
Like Beelzebub and his kin, our basic unit of time is a 'year', which duration is defined "by the time of a certain movement of their planet in relation to another definite cosmic concentration; that is to say, they take that period in the course of which their planet, during its movement--that is, during the process of 'Falling' and 'Catching-up'--makes what is called its 'Krentonalinan-revolution' LOL in relation to the sun.
"It is similar to our reckoning of a 'year' for our planet Karatas, which is the period of time between the nearest approach of the sun 'Samos' to the sun'Selus' and its next similar approach."
The meaning of this last paragraph I can neither catch nor hold long enough to make a 'figure' out of. The two suns almost sound like two Moon's.
Hundred of our years we call a century, and we divide our year into twelve parts, each part we call a moonth.
"For the definition of the duration of this 'month of theirs, they take the time of that completed period during which the larger fragment--which was seperated from their planet and which they now call Moon--makes, owing to the same cosmic law of 'Falling' and 'Catching-up,' its full 'Krentonalnian-revolution' in relation to their planet."
G affirms again that there were two fragments seperated from the Earth, one is the Moon, the other he calls Atlantis. I have a feeling he is talking about the physical Earth and Moon below, and the "Hyperborean Atlantis", the Northern Paradise or terrestrial Eden where the Greeks have Apollo go for half the year for a summer vacation in the sunshine
Philosophy teaches tha man himself is the Tree of Life. The Hesperides had golden apple trees, which golden apples "carried away by Hercules grew in the Hyperborian Atlantis. The importance of the golden apples which grew on Mt. Atlas--the North Pole of the human body--can be more fully understood when we realize that they signify the spiritual monads, atoms or stars which abide in the superior worlds and which are the origins of the terrestrial natures suspended from them. These apples are the effulgent blossoms of Proclus, "the golden atoms" in the hearts of living things, whose reflections are set up in the ether of the brain." (M.P. Hall)
This is getting complecated.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 11, 2004 11:03:01 GMT -5
The Event Space The term "definite cosmic concentration" for heavenly bodies I like very much because it destroyes the crystallized picture of a mere object in space, in that it makes the mind itself sort of reach out into the cosmos and draw the "things" necessary to converge in one place to focus on. It also implies "none-definite" cosmic concentrations, maybe such as a vibrating particle with its partner particle in a given pattern necessary to hold an event in place for the observer, attracting other particles needed and aggregation takes place to make a more substantial concentration. That would make us, the observers, "chaos magicians." Chapter 16 p. 122 Beelzebub says that "the twelve 'Krentonalnian-revolutions' of the said Moon do not correspond exactly to a single 'Krentonalnian-revolution' of their planet round its sun and therefore they have made some compromise or other when calculating these month of theirs, so that in the sum total these may correspond more or less to reality." By this compromise he probably means the extra 5 days that were added to make a year 365 days instead of 360, as Morph explained very well over at Ma'at the other day, and maybe also the leap year. We divide our day "into thirty 'diurnities' or days, which days we "reckon as the span of time during which (our) planet makes its 'complete rotation' during the actualization of the said cosmic law", the law of 'Falling' and 'Catching up'. We say 'it-is-day' when in the atmosphere of (our) planet--just as in general on all the other planets on which, as I have already told you, the cosmic process called 'Ilnosoparnian' is actualized--that 'Trogoautoegocratic' process which we call 'kshtatsavacht' periodically proceeds; and (we) also call this cosmic phenomenon 'daylight'. Now I am thouroughly day-lighted because I did 'catch-this-erwacht which proceeds periodically when reading this "stuff", that when it's daylight "the 'cosmic process called 'Ilnosoparian' is actualized because it is us who people space with the children of our phantasies. It's called quantum mechanics by science. So what is the 'Trogo-auto-ego-cratic' process by which a rose is given? An automatic "Aha" the autocratic ego gets by going patiently through this process with Gurdjieff? It is as though he is standing here reaching for my hand, gently smiling "come along now . . ." Beelzebub continues: "As regards the other process, the opposite one, which we call 'kldatzacht,' they call it 'night' and refer to it as 'it-is-dark." Klar-zu-Nacht, something like "clad as night", rather than "clear at night." Roses for Gurdjieff and all my teachers!!! Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 12, 2004 9:18:55 GMT -5
Chapter 16 p. 123
The greatest flow of time we call a century, hundred years, a year has 12 month, a month 30 days on average, each diurnity has 24 hours, each hour 60 minutes, and each minute 60 seconds.
Hassein is given to know that "the exceptional peculiarity of this cosmic phenomenon Time" is formulated thus by genuine Objective Scinence:
"Time in itself does not exist; there is only the totality of the result ensuing from all the cosmic phenomena present in a given place.
"Time itself, no being can either understand by reason or sense by any outer or inner being-function. It cannot even be sensed by any gradation of instinct which arises and is present in every more or less independent cosmic concentration."
True, I just tried to do so after finishing the last two paragraphs, but could not. Because G says "independent" cosmic concentration, I thought of myself as such a concentration and tried to put my finger on the time "around" me. Scary.
"It is possible to judge Time only if one compares real cosmic phenomena which proceed in the same place and under the same conditions, where Time is constated and considered."
I read before something like time exists only if, and because there is movement, which made sense to me, and Fern said that all movement happens in the fourth dimension, but I never heard it put so concise and intelligible.
"It is necessary to notice that in the Great Universe all phenomena in general, without exception wherever they arise and manifest, are simply successively law-conformable 'Fractions' of some whole phenomena which has its primary arising on the 'Most Holy Sun Absolute.' Yes.
"And in consequence, all cosmic phenomena, wherever they proceed, have a sence of 'objectivety.'
"And these successively law-conformable "Fractions' are actualized in every respect, and even in the sense of their involution and evolution, owing to the chief cosmic law, the sacred 'Heptaparaparshinokh.'
This sacred Hepta-para is the law of seven, which as I said before, I understood once perfectly but coudn't hold in my waking consciousness; the "parshinokh" eludes me, probably shining parts or 'Fractions' of the whole arising on the sun, shining noch, or yet shining. Involution and evolution is easier to understand, as nothing can evolve without involutionary pressure.
"Only Time alone has no sense of objectivity because it is not the result of the fractioning of any definite cosmic phenomena. And it does not issue from anything, but blends always with everything and becomes self-sufficiently independent; therefore, in the whole of the Universe, it alone can be called and extolled as the 'Ideally-Unique-Subjective-Phenomenon.'
I wonder if scientists and school teachers read Gurdjieff.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 15, 2004 10:06:39 GMT -5
Chapter 16 p. 124 "Thus, my boy, uniquely time alone, or, as it is sometimes called, the 'Hieropass,' has no source from which it's arising should depend, but like 'Divine-Love' flows always, as I have already told you, independently and by itself, and blends proportionately with all the phenomena present in the given place and in the given arising of our Great Universe." Later, when Beelzebub will tell Hassein more "about the fundamental laws of World-creation and World-maintenance," we'll understand clearly what B has just said. Even now, I understand this time phenomenon pretty well and try to remember during my work-day how time is 'constated and considered' according to how long it takes me to do something. Huh! In the meanwhile it is good to remember "that since Time has no source of its arising and cannot like all other cosmic phenomena in every cosmic sphere establish its exact presence, the already mentioned Objective Science therefore has, for its examination of Time, a standard unit, similar to that used for an exact defenition of the density and quality--in the sense of the vivifyingness of their vibrations--of all cosmic substances in general present in every place and in every sphere of our Great Universe. "And for the definition of Time this standard has from long ago been the moment of what is called the sacred 'Egokoolnatsnarnian-sensation' which always appears in the Most Holy Cosmic Individuals dwelling on the Most Holy Sun Absolute whenever the vision of our UNIBEING ENDLESSNESS is directed into space and directly touches their presences." When we, in our unibeing, heart, mind, soul, and body, direct our vision into space we may touch the presences of these Holy Indivuals who dwell in the sun, causing the sacred 'Egokoolnatsnarnian-sensation' to appear to us, or connecting with it. No luck in trying to put this "in other words", but I get the gist of it, I think, because, as I have said several times elsewhere, in one of the dreams compelling me to go to Egypt, I beheld in awe and wonder the Sacred Grand Cosmic Movement, then looked directly at the sun and became one with it, shining as One on everything, being everything . . . I'm not clear yet what the sacred 'Ego-kool-nats-narnian-sensation' is, maybe the sensation of our divine evolving ego since narnian times. "This standard unit has been established in Objective Science for the possibility of exactly difining and comparing the differences between the gradation of the processes of the subjective sensations of seperate conscious Individuals, and also of what is called 'diverse-tempos' among various objective cosmic phenomena which are manifest in various spheres of our Great Universe and which actualize all cosmic arising both large and small." I mean, how fine can one grind Charlotte
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Post by BERNHARD on Jul 19, 2004 12:23:58 GMT -5
Dear Charlotte, please do not fall in desperation, but time is really missing. you know, time, health and love can not be bought ... by nobody ! the next days i am a little bit online, in this exclusive two-some forum as well, but next week, starting from 26. of july, i am not online, because i have to master a medical OP !! hope we meet us tomorrow for some short but friendly sentences ! more: i do hope that these woodfires could finally be stopped. i hate these human creatures, ... hmm, i hate their perverted doings...., who incend such wonderful beings like trees. not to speak of all kinds of small and bigger creatures, burnt by these massive fires. ok, so far for today ! best greetings and wishes from bavaria: Bernie
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 20, 2004 9:17:18 GMT -5
Hi Bernhard, I'm having problems with my computer, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes the screen just goes blank, can't shut it off etc., etc. I have been trying everything I know of (practically nothing) to solve them, so I'll take it for a checkup today. Yes, people are careless with "matches", and "shooting practices", and California is on fire again See you soon Charlotte
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Post by BERNHARD on Jul 20, 2004 11:11:52 GMT -5
DEAR CHARLOTTE, yeah, these are the most disturbing and stressing problems you can have with a computer: only stochastical or sporadic effects, the "V-effekt = Vorfuehr-effekt ==> immer wenn du den fehler nochmals (einer anderen person) Vorfuehren willst klappt wieder alles, als wenn nie was gewesen waere .. ! ), a non repeatable problem, a problem with changing different effects on hardware and software, a permanent changing mixture of failures, and so on !! it's very hard to give you an advise or diagnose, based on a remote view ! i do not know your hardware, your software ( what operating system: windows, linux, ..?? ) , your application-software, and so on ! mostly these sporadic troubles are in relation with hardware-problems ( overheating inside the case ? does the internal ventilator really functions correctly, to much dust inside results in much less cooling as well --> electronic chips are overheating and failing in their correct functions !, or the internal power-supply ("Trafo") -- often after some years ---, is too old, resulting in a wrong or missing power-supply, or changing the correct value of voltage needed by the sensitive electronic circuits ?? ). or the intenal battery backing up the cmos-bios-chip (old computers) is now too old .. ? another possibility is the miss-function of the hard-disk-drive controller ( scsi ?? ). or external strong electromagnetic waves radiostations ? / mobile-phone-stations ? / strong elecric machines inside the house ? are disturbing the electronic chips doing their work, because suddenly inductive em-phenomenons can arise, therefore causing electronic failures. and so on .... endless possibilities. or software-troubles, often caused by new installation. driver-problems ?? finally the most simpliest solution: a VIRUS or WORM or TRoians attack ? catched via internet access ?? -- even hardcore-computer-specialist often work some days, to find out the real problem. and very often, you did not find the source of all these troubles, and one can only re-install all this sh.t from the beginning, in some cases in combination with a reduced hardware, and then going step by step, hard- and software-related steps, at every step-level checking the correct functioning of all components ( over hours or days ), up to the final complete package. it is an nightmare for every field-engineer in computer service. in many cases, it is more cheaper to buy and install a new hardware, followed by a complete new installation of software. unfortunately, there does not exist a super-trick, or super-software to overcome all these stressing troubles. -- so backup your personal data, and check your backup by restoring it, and using it, eventually on another computer !!, and after then you should go to solid technician (not a freak) to proof your pc-system !! if you have very intimate and private data on your personal computer, you should delete these data ( AFTER A GOOD BACKUP ! ) , and you must not only delete these data, but you should use a special software-tool for wiping out these only logically (!) deleted data with so called HEX-patterns ! if not, an old crazy freak ( like me ) can re-aktivate the "deleted" data with special programs ! --- so far for today with best wishes for a success : Bernie
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Post by daz407 on Jul 20, 2004 15:12:29 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte
My computer won't shut down; First here is a fantastic book called "Troubleshooting Windows XP" by Stephen W. Sagman USA $19.99 ISBN 0-7356-1492-x
Here is the fix if the pc won't shut down in windows xp....
1. Press Ctrl+Alt+Del (at the same time) 2. In the windows security dialog box (my update to this right click the task bar and click 'task manager' lot eaisier) click task manager 3. On the Applications tab of the windows task manager, look in the list for a program that's accompanied by a 'not responding' message. 4. If you see such a program, click it and then click 'end task' 5. If a message box appears telling you that the program is not responding, click 'end now' to close the dialog box and quit the program. 6. Try shutting down again.
If the pc still won't shut down properly, follow these steps to use 'system restore' to undo any recent changes that might have caused your pc to stop shutting down..................
1. Click Start, point to All Programs, point to Accessories, point to 'system tools' and click System Restore. 2. In the System Restore dialog box, make sure Restore My Computer To An Earlier Time is selected, and click next. 3. On the Select A Restore Piont page, click the most recent bold displayed date in the calendar, click a restore point in the list of restore points, and click Next. 4. On the next page of the 'restore' wizard, click Next to start the restore. If Windows is still unable to shut down (after going through the restore wizard procedure) run the System Restore again and select an earlier restore date.
If this procedure still fails to shut down your pc, I have another 'trick up my sleeve'
Daz
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Post by BERNHARD on Jul 21, 2004 11:18:40 GMT -5
Hi DAZ, some good tipps ! but cause i do not know, if Charlotte works on a WINTEL-based PC ( WINDOWS*INTEL ), or on a MAC, or whatelse, i could only provide some common tipps of old well known troubles, still of interest in today. Charlotte may send me a direct email with more detailed informations regarding the hard/software of her computer. but i guess, she is not so well experienced to find out the attributes of all the hard/software-components installed. would be better to contact a skilled technician or the pc-shop, where she bought this PC ! ( in this case: BACKUP !! ) -- best greetings: Bernie
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Post by coggas on Jul 21, 2004 11:37:08 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte,
As my original guest was to find historical knowledge hidden beneath the labyrinth of philosophical allegory, what do we know about the 'university' contained in the hidden labyrinth in Egypt and moreover where is it ?
Kindest,
Cogga's.
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Post by daz407 on Jul 21, 2004 15:02:25 GMT -5
It's all in the 'Hall of records'
Daz
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Post by daz407 on Jul 21, 2004 15:17:04 GMT -5
Hi Bernard, no probs. Intel are the people who make the computer chips. Windows are the software company who write the programs that make your pc work, such as 'clicking' on links, programs, word proccessing, saving files, deleting files, it's all done under the windows operating software system. The most up-to-date operating system is called Windows XP If you have bought a PC/computer in the past 3/4years (excluding Apple) it will proberly be running using Windows XP
Daz
ps. Do you go to the Baverian 'beer festival? If so I'll meet you there, or the Oct festival? I've never been to Germany but would look forward to joining one of the festivals
Best wishes Daz
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Post by BERNHARD on Jul 22, 2004 5:26:18 GMT -5
Hi DAZ, i would have liked to help Charlotte to overcome these PC-realted problems, but from a remote point of view, without any informations or details regarding hard- and software used, it is nearly impossible to diagnose the real problem causing these strange alternating behaviors. and even you are sitting in front of this damned diabolic machine, you often spent hours and days to analyze the situation, and to get a concrete focus, of what is going wrong. there are too much possibilities in a complex relation, one problem causing another problem. my first computer experiences and humble studies started in the early seventies, readding the first publication regarding the new era of the so called microprocessors. it was the intel 4004, from which a short time later the 8080 chip was develloped. then the 8085, leading to the 8086/8088-chip technology, building the base of the first (ibm) pc: the ibm XT. but at the same time a lot of other companies arised, producing even better chip-layouts than the Intel-line: MOTOROLA / ZILOG / MOS-technolog / TEXAS-instruments / FfAIRCHILD / and so on ! it is not a complete list of all these manufactures. what an exiting era that time ! and i studied this at university, making my first working-papers on a multi-processor structure ( like a pyramid, based on mutiple connected intel8086 processors ), called EGPA. but the performance of this pyramid was such poor, because it consumed all its power by internal managing and controlling overhead, that the whole project was then stopped some years later. at that time, we all really enjoyed the fascinating development of the electronic-circuit technology. i still rember the use of 4k rams ( 4096 bytes per chip : wow ). a microcomputer with a full package of 32K ram, built of 8x4K chips was a real steamhammer, and very expensive for a young student, costing 2000 thousand dollars ! ( in self-construction ) ... ok ..ok ( laughing now ) .. so many memories on this time ! -- NOW to the famous "bavarian beer festivals". surely you are mainly thinking to the big so called "OKTOBER-FEST" at Munich ! i did not visit it for long years, cause it became more and more a gigantic TOURISTs festival. to much people, to much noise, too expensive. no reason to be there. in bavaria we do have ( mostly from spring to the autumn ) many thousands of festivals like this, not "soiled" by tourists or money-making investors and business-men ! these smaller festivals in nearly every small villages or smaller (rural) towns are oft many much more intimate athmosphere, cause you are sitting, eating, drinking in "overviewable" atmosphere, together with friends, and girl-friends ( !! ), with members of the family, with buddies, with collegues from your company. and naturally we here are not allways sitting around the heavy loaded tables, like the ancinet Celts, no..no, we have to work, and to manage all our problems, like so many other people in world. final conclusion: the real fine festivals are the smaller ones ! in the little towns and villages, embedded in a wonderful landscape, festivals with maximum 5000 visitors and not more ! young and old, ugly and nice-looking people, rich and poor, altogether for some hours the big familiy, we finally are !! --- best wishing from green green bavaria : Bernie
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Post by Tegra on Jul 23, 2004 8:01:23 GMT -5
Hi everyone I'm back as a guest now, will have to contact Don. Took my computer in to fix the problem, it's been sort of groaning for a while, the man said it wasn't worth it, gave me a new tower, transferred all my data, it's all a bit different now, gotten more colorful and will now try to post to see if it works. Charlotte
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Post by BERNHARD on Jul 23, 2004 8:48:54 GMT -5
Dear Charlotte, nice to see you back again ! do not to forget making now a good backup-copy on a CD-R or DVD-R ( guess, you have so called cd-/dvd-burner-drive installed ! ) to use it as a recovery-CD/DVD. additionally make a boot-diskette including a cd/dvd-driver, so that you can boot from a diskette, if you can not work or start or boot from your (primary) harddisk ! / important: you must test these boot-diskette to know if it really functions. the hard-core test is to deactivate in the BIOS the starting device "c" ( it is the first logical partition on your (first/primary) harddisk ) to avoid a boot sequence from another active drive, and you did believe it had been booting from your diskette ! ---- ciao: Bernie
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Post by Tegra on Jul 23, 2004 9:25:49 GMT -5
I tried to register as myself but 'it' said there is already a member by that name, rats. If you're around Don, could you please give me my identity back?
And btw, thanks Bernie and Daz for all the advice, but I knew I needed either a new computer or a complete change. I took the opportunity to sleep longer, and did some very interesting reading about Lemuria and Atlantis as taught by my chemist teacher.
The Lucifer spirits 'on the Moon', the edenic 'fire-mist' came up again, "the outer sheath of the physical body of the early human of the Lemurian Epoch may have consisted of the red 'life ether', Adam or A-dam, meaning red earth. So it all has to do with our evolution as described in the Masonic Legend of casting the Molten Sea by Hiram Abiff, which the teacher, being a Jew and speaking perfectly Hebrew, preferred to call "Churom Avi." I can gleen this in Gurdjieff's teachings but I'm only on page 125.
"Churom, as well as the" he says, and then quotes Manly Hall--"god-men of nearly every pagan Mystery ritual, (is) the personification of the triple spirit fire (Kundalini serpent fire) in the human spinal cord, the mysterious fiery-airy-water which must be raised through the three grand centers symbolized by the ladder with three rungs."
The teacher:
"These centers consist of the generative system, the heart - solar plexus - upper abdominal area, and the head. It must also pass upward by means of the seven rungs: the seven psychic centers or chakras - the seven seals which are called the seven churches of Asia, the seven lotus flowers and the seven roses on the cross."
M.P. Hall:
"The exact science of human regeneration is the Lost Key of Masonry, for when the Spirit Fire is lifted up through the 33 degrees, or segments of the spinal column, and enters the domed chamber of the human skull, it finally passes into the pituitary body (called Isis or Mary), where it evokes Ra, the pineal gland (called Joseph) and demands the sacred name. Operative Masonry, in the fullest sense of the term, signifies the process by which the eye of Horus is opened."
Partaking in the regeneration of universal life is the noblest thing we can do, and gods in the making we are.
Charlotte
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Post by BERNHARD on Jul 23, 2004 11:03:24 GMT -5
Dear Charlotte, supposed you are now using a computer with a WINDOWS-XP operating system, i recommend a special system backup, some days later, on the base of (still) fully functionable system, to be able to recover from it in case of a damge or a virus-attack or a problematic software-installation, causing severe driver-problems or registry-fails, missing or wrong "dll"-libraries and so on ! because it is too much and wasting to much time to give you a sufficient advice step-by-step for that a little complex procedure, i have been searching for some competent and not too complicated written recepts on this windows/xp related activities. guess, it is not your turf ( "dein ding" ) to enter these computer-science oriented stuff, but it is worth have a look on it, believe me. you can avoid a lot of hours or days of disturbing and stressing work to overcome PC-problems if you can trust in a good backup-strategy ! and please: do install a FIREWALL-software ! there are good ones on the free-software-market available. while active in the WEB, it is a must to have some protective tools like a so called firewall !!! besides this you must check the option for your internet-explorer to get a minimum of self-protection against intruder attacks ! i know, it sounds if i am an "overteacher" ( = "ober-lehrer" .. haha ), but spenĀ“d some time with these advices and study the information provided in these links. ( btw: some recovery-tools are not free, but of some interest to buy and to install ) : www.quetek.com/prod02.htm?source=google9 ----- and to enter your BIOS - BUT CAUTION WITH ALL THESE ACTIVITIES !! : www.michaelstevenstech.com/bios_manufacturer.htm --- a lot of faqs at: www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html and : www.winxpfix.com/page10.htm and some info about the weak security of a windows/xp based Pc ( and that's not all ! ) at: pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=173 ( ok: it may be still too sophisticated ) and concerning boot-disks here a very interesting site, cause it is too advanced to manually build a boot-diskette by yourself : www.bootdisk.com/ -- and another good site is: www.winxpcentral.com/windowsxp/ -- WELL, so far ! VERY IMPORTANT in all cases is to know, if your logical partition "C" ( your system partition) is a so called NTFS-partition or a FAT32-partition. normal standard boot-diskettes even with a reading acces on NTFS-managed drives do not allow a changing on certain files on your drive "C", because they mostly install "read-only"-driver. in problematic cases of recovery this then may become a problem ! DON NOT JUMP INTO PANIC ! many of the stuff i mentioned needs some years to understand, and if you finally learned and and understood, some important details of the embedded technologies then have been changed or modified. it is a neverending stressing material ! ( "ALSO KEINE KOMPLEXE, wenn Dir die unbekannten fachausdruecke nur so um die ohren sausen, und Du fast immer nur bahnhof verstehst ! .... ) -- ciao: Bernie -- P.s: i have to take some days for short "holidays", cause i have a date for a clinical OP on coming monday ! --- hope to come back here on next thursday ! so please wish me luck and success !!
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Post by Tegra on Jul 23, 2004 11:36:03 GMT -5
Thanks Bernie, I still have windows, just wrote on the Labyrinth but it wouldn't post. Also an e-mail didn't go out, half of my menu is blank, and I'm taking it back because I paid $450.00 for all and want it to work perfectly, or, I exchange it for a new computer. So if I'm absent for a few more days that's the reason. Frustrated, but not to much Charlotte
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Post by Don Barone on Jul 23, 2004 20:48:54 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte ...
You are having trouble because you are trying to register again. You do not need to do that. Simply "Log in" as you did in the past.
Cheers Don Barone
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Post by Tegra on Jul 24, 2004 8:17:29 GMT -5
Hi Don I do log in as before, just tried again, it won't let me post as Charlotte, my user name, says there is already a member by that name. I don't know how to tell them that I'm that member. Love CC
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Post by Tegra on Jul 24, 2004 9:39:25 GMT -5
Hi Cogga's, All along I thought I was talking about "historical knowledge hidden beneath the labyrinth of philosophical allegory." Maybe I'm mentioning the obvious and nobody tells me. I could come straight out and say things in plain words, but it is the advice of the Philosophers to say again obscurely what they say obscurely. So what is one to do? I'm already grateful to be able to say more here without what is dear to me being trampled upon. Lo, the labyrinth beneath philosophical allegory, to borrow words from Pomponius Mela speaking of the Labyrinth of Psammetich, "includes within the circuit of one unbroken wall 1000 houses and 12 palaces, and is built of marble as well as being roofed by the same material. It has one descending way into it, and contains within almost innumerable paths, which have many convolutions twisting hither and thither. These paths, however, cause great perplexity both because of their continual winding and because of their porticoes which often reverse their direction, continually running through one circle after another and continually turning and retracing their steps as far as they have gone forward with the result that the labyrinth is frought with confusion by reason of its perpetual meandering, though it is possible to extricate oneself." This labyrinth is the mind and walking in it endlessly are the thoughts gathering historical knowledge, coming out, sitting down, and attempting to understand the meaning of the historical knowledge. Surely, the philosophers speak in allegory to facilitate an inner experience. "The labyrinth surpasses even the Pyramids" says Herodotus. On the physical level, the labyrinth in in our head is the neuronal network, which has its roots in our imagination. Have to go to work Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 25, 2004 9:47:45 GMT -5
The Labyrinth of Egypt
As taught by the Philosophers, I believe that man is a microcosm, and that the Priests or Sages of Egypt (and other high civilizations), aware, built their temples and monuments, from the Pyramids to Abu Simbel, as outer symbols to point to our composite nature and inner powers we have and use more or less, mostly unaware.
We read in "The Anthem to Life Eternal", generally known as the in two parts "Book of the Dead--Book of coming forth by Day"
"The land of the gods, and the eastern lands of Punt must be seen before they can be described and before that which is hidden in thee may be measured."
Budge translation, which some consider outdated. Punt being a "spice producing land near the most easterly part of Somali land", is explained in a footnote, in the dead letter of the sentence. Ancient Egyptology will not hear that landscape was part of the Mysteries, they're all in Somali land sleeping.
The word Pharaoh is translated as "Double House" or Royal Double House", which would be a strange and even silly title for a King where it not for that he "figures" for our double nature, above and below. Also, the field of Osiris has 14 acres in which the corn grows 7 feet tall and is stored in a "double granary."
Having established somewhat the "hidden in thee--know thyself" of the Egyptians, the university is the labyrinth and what is to be studied is man himself, in whom are measured out all things.
Herodotus, Diodorus Siculus, Strabo and Pliny give interesting accounts of the Labyrinth, but none say exactly where it is. If the Egyptians built one to 'amaze' posterity, it was for us to think about it, and the meandering corridors are avenues of thought.
The granary of Joseph, or Labyrinth of the Egyptians, is thought to be in Hawara near Fayum. This speculation comes from the story of "Joseph of the Coat of many Colors." This story is also a philosophical allegory, the meaning hidden in the labyrinth, but I think the sacred crocodiles guard it. Over a decade ago I was there at the temple of the crocodiles on the way to Fayum, but since it is a desert now they must have all left for the Nile.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 26, 2004 10:25:12 GMT -5
Herodotus on the Labyrinth
The "father of all lies" puts the Egyptian Labyrinth "a little above Lake Moeris, near what is called the city of the crocodiles." I can't find it at the moment, but there is a Lake Moeris in occult anatomy. As far as Egyptology is concerned, everything about the Egyptian Labyrinth is uncertain.
Herodotus states that he has actually seen this "work beyond words", that it has "twelve courts with roofs, each with facing gateways, six oriented to the north and six oriented to the south. It contains two sets of chambers, one below the ground and the other aligned on the top, three thousand in number - fifteen hundred in each set." Nice numbers, and above and below.
The upper set of chambers he saw, but only learned of the underground set from the "Egyptian authorities, utterly unwilling to show them saying they contained the burials both of the king who had caused this labyrinth to build, and of the sacred crocodiles."
Herodotus knows the lower chambers, that which is hid in us, only from listening to others, the upper ones he has seen are "beyond human labor" because it takes the divine labor--clinically, nobody knows "how" the embryo grows, just like nobody knows "how" the body heals itself. The crocodiles living in the mud on the banks of the Nile, the physical plane, are the helper of the king in the sense that the devour the human who hasn't made the grade, he gets recycled to try again. Plainly seen also in the "weighing of the soul" where the crocodile-headed Amenait devours the deceased. I told you the dream I had about being in an abyss and a crocodile made his body to be stairs for me to walk out of the darkness.
Herodotus says: "For the ways out through the roofed areas and the extreemly intricate windings through the courts arose infinite wonder, passing from court to chambers and from chambers to porches (?), to other roofed areas from the porches (?), and to other courts from the chambers."
Such are the infinite wonders of discovery of our composite nature, the university being my living room and the "University of Hard Knocks" too, as the world itself is a laborinth in which we try to find our way each day, and crocodiles are everywhere. . . .
"The way into this is cut below ground", says Herodotus; he doesn't say: the way into the labyrinth is cut below ground.
"They resolved to leave a memorial of themselves in common, and in persuance of this resolve they made a labyrinth, a little above Lake Moeris . . . "
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 27, 2004 10:34:18 GMT -5
The Labyrinth of Diodorus Siculus
"When the king died the government was recovered by Egyptians and they appointed a native king Mendes, whom some call Mares. Although he was responsible for no military achievments whatsoever, he did build himself a Labyrinth as a tomb, an edifice which is wonderful not so much for its size as for the inimitable skill with which it was build; for once in, it was impossible to find one's way out again without difficulty, unless one lights upon a guide who is perfectly aquainted with it."
Daz said something like "its all in the Hall of Records." I don't know exactly where they are looking for the Hall of Records, maybe under the Sphinx. But there are 2 chambers under the Sphinx, above and below, and then there are 7, and the door "on golden hinges" to them opens only when "one lights upon a guide who is perfectly aquainted with (them)." Since the riddle of the Sphinx is the riddle "of the ages", our origin and dvelopment down to this day, and the riddle we are, and man the microcosm--himself is that hall of records.
King Mendes or Mares build himself a labyrinth "as a tomb", so I would say when one is curious to check out the records, doesn't turn around in time but keeps on going, at a certain point it becomes "the journey perilous", one wanders as in a tomb in darkness, and it's either do or die. One needs a teacher or pathfinder. I read that the labyrinth was considered "Pharaoh's Gateway to Eternity." It is ours too after we have explored every nook and cranny of the 3000 chambers in 2 sets, 1500 above, 1500 below, understand the writings on the walls, divine every stone and every grain of sand, and "every grain of sand must become a star" said Manly Hall, his gentle voice braking. The day of Brahma is almost unthinkably long.
Diodorus:
"It is even said by some that Daedalus crossed over to Egypt and, in wonder of the skill shown in the building, built for Minos, King of Crete, a labyrinth like tha in Egypt, in which, so the tales goes, the creature called Minetaur was kept. Be that as it may, the Cretan Labyrinth has completely disappeared, either through the destruction wrought by some ruler or through the ravages of time; but the Egyptian Labyrinth remains absolutely perfect in its entire construction down to my time."
Diodorus lived in the 1st century BC., and since the labyrinth surpassed even the Pyramids, and was built from with Aswan granite, it would have easely survived to our days.
The meaning of the allegory of the Cretan Labyrinth and the Minetaur is well known. The Minetaur being "the stupid, power-mongering bull-man of the world", my philosophy teacher. The story goes, as I said before, that every year the Greeks sacrificed 12 virgin youth, 6 male and 6 female, to the Minetaur, in this case the rational mind, which, when told something new, or idealistic, pure and beautiful, of our divine nature, it tears it to shreds and devours it.
Hard-core materialistic scienc is a Minetaur in the cave of creation. Francis Crick, one of the Noble Prize winners for thr re-dicovery of the DNA structure in 1953, says: "Your joys and your sorrows, your memories and ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules." This is Diodorus' "destruction wrought by some ruler" of the labyrinth of Crete. Nothing means anything to the Minetaur, he doesn't want, can't see the corridors and chambers from the Labyrinth, sitting in his dark tomb.
Neither does he want to see Ariadne standing outside, patiently holding the clue for him to find his way out of the mess men have made of this world in their Luciferian power-consciousness, dragging so many unsuspecting women, who think their saving grace is to become like men, along. But there are many Ariadne' all over the world, we are tired and our feet hurt from standing for thousands of years waiting until they're done arguing their thesis' endlessly.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 28, 2004 9:42:25 GMT -5
Diodorus says that the Egyptians, "seized with enthusiasm for this enterprise they strove eagerly to surpass all their predecessors in the size of the building. For the chose a site beside the channel leading into Lake Moeris in Libya and there constructed their tomb of the finest stone, laying down an oblong as the shape and a stade as the size of each side, while in respect of carving and other works of craftsmanship they left no room for their successors to surpass them. For, when one had entered the sacred enclosure, one found a temple surrounded by columns, 40 to each side, and this building had a roof of a single stone . . ." A single stone covering a temple of 80 columns? And is there a channel from Hawara to Lake Moeris in Libya? Is Lake Moeris the Siwa Oasis with the shrine of Ammon? In the book "Man Grand Symbol of the Mysteries" by M.P. Hall, there is a telling 'map of the world from the time of Herodotus' in the form of the human head. It is uncanny, as if the human skull evolved and hardened with our planet, as my philosophy teacher also insisted. On this map, Libya is the cerebellum, above and toward the middle is "Mareoth." Fludd also shows "Motiua-Memoratiua" above the cerebellum, above, and connected = "Est enim" to memory and vision. This looks like the labyrinth proper, memory "the extreemly intricate windings through the courts arose infinite wonder", the wonder of recognition and vision. So the university in the labyrinth is memory. After descibing the brain, Mr. Hall adds: "In addition to the parts already enumerated, there are the ventricles, glands, and plexuses, each with its own peculiar significance and correspondent in the organs and members of the lower body. The vaulted chambers, passageways, and labyrinths of the brain so excited the admiration of the ancients that they were moved to write thereon cum copia verborum in their efforts to establish analogies between these parts and every portion of the universe." Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 29, 2004 11:27:40 GMT -5
Some interesting things Pliny says about the Labyrinth.
"Some of the halls are laid out in such a way that when the doors open there is a terrifying rumble of thunder within", and "most of the building has to be traversed in darkness."
Going into the unknown is scary, the doors might be the doors of perception, and the terrifying rumble of thunder probably comes from the Minetaur, the beast within, the wordly ego who doesn't want to be found out. This is also beautifully shown in "The Never Ending Story", a must see video, in which the "Gmork", laying in anbush in his cave at the boundry of "Fantasia", snarls at Atreyu, the warrier on the journey perilous: "If you come any closer I'll kill you."
"Let us speak also of the labyrinths", says Pliny, "quite the most extraordinary works on which men have spend their money, but not, as may be thought, figments of the imagination. There still exists even now in Egypt (Pliny AD 23-79) in the Heracleopolite Nome the one which was built first, according to tradition 3,600 years ago by king Petesuchis or Tithois, though Herodotus ascribes the whole work to Twelve Kings and Psammetichus, the latest of them. Various reasons are given for building it. Demoteles claims that it was the palace of Moteris, Lyceas the tomb of Moeris, but the majority of writers take the view that is was build as a temple to the Sun, and this is generally accepted. (Fludd puts the sun next to the heart) At any rate, that Daedalus used this as the model for the Labyrinth which he built in Crete is beyond doubt, but it is equally clear that he imitated only 100th part of it which contains twisting paths and passages which advance and retreat-all impossible to negotiate. The reason for this is not that within a small compass it involves one in mile upon of walking (this is a strange sentence, maybe it wasn't translated well) as we see in tessellated floors or the display given by boys on the Campus, but that frequently doors are buried in it to beguile the visitor into going forward and then force him to return into the same winding paths."
I return to the same winding paths of the same subject as often as it takes to get an AHA, sometimes it takes 10 years, for most I'm still waiting. It seems to take forever to be able to say out loud "that's it and nothing else." Many times, when talking on the phone I make my own labyrinth by doodlind or daedling squares-circles-spirals on a piece of paper.
The first labyrinth was build in Egypt, the second in Crete, the third in Lemnos, and the fourth in Italy, according to Pliny, knowledge passed on, "all roofed with vaults of polished stone, though the Egyptian specimen, to my considerable astonishment, has a entrance and columns made of Parian marble, while the rest is of Aswan granite, such masses being put together as time itself cannot dissolve even with the help of the Heracleopolitans; for they regarded the building with extraordinary hatred."
Egypt, the copy of Heaven, not only as a geographical layout, but also "where here below are mediated and projected all operations which govern and actuate the heavenly forces" is the physical human body, Parian marble and Aswan granite, earth below and fire above, which the Heracleopolitans despised being in.
"It would be impossible to describe in detail the layout of that building and its individual parts, since it is divided into regions and administrative districts which are called nomes, each of the 21 nomes giving its name to one of the houses. (the geographical temple, nomes each with their patron diety) A further reason is the fact that it also contains temples of all the gods of Egypt while, in addition, Nemisis placed in the building's 40 chapels many pyramids of 40 ells each covering an area of 6 arourae with their base. Men are already weary with travelling when they reach that bewildering maze of paths; indeed, there are also lofty upper rooms reached by ramps and porticoes from which one descends on stairways which have 90 steps each; inside are columns of imperial porphyry, images of gods, statues of kings and representations of monsters. Certain of the halls are arranged in such a way that as one throws open the doors there arises within a fearful noise of thunder, moreover one passes through most of them in darkness. There are again other massive buildingsoutside the wall of the Labyrinth; they call them "the Wing". Then there are other subterranean chambers made by excavating galleries in the soil. One person only has done any repairs there-and they are few in number. (This is an interesting statement, telling that only the few have gotten to rock-bottom, Pliny himself obviously one of the few) He was Chaermon, the eunoch (having given up thoughts on sex) of king Necthebis, 500 years before Alexander the Great. A tradition is also current that he supported the roofs with beams of acacia wood boiled in oil, until squared stones could be raised up into the vaults."
M.P. Hall: "What is behind us and what is before us is nothing compared to what is within us."
Charlotte
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