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Post by Don Barone on Dec 22, 2014 23:46:20 GMT -5
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Post by Don Barone on Dec 22, 2014 23:59:08 GMT -5
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Post by Charlotte on Dec 23, 2014 8:55:38 GMT -5
Hi Don, Don't have time to watch or read the interesting looking links,(baking/cooking  , hopefully I can learn something. Seeing the last image, perhaps to have the right angle to the subterranean chamber. My guess on the slanted stones would be to support the mass of stones. |
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Post by Don Barone on Dec 23, 2014 11:35:21 GMT -5
Hi I have spent the better part of the morning looking for another pyramid entrance that has these slanted stones. Nowhere are they to be found except over the King and Queen's chamber leading me to conclude that there must be a chamber behind the large covering rocks.
Opinions ?
Cheers
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Post by Don Barone on Dec 23, 2014 11:38:15 GMT -5
Oh and yes this chamber has it's back towards us and that is why it appears to be solid. Obviously this means that it is only accessible from the inside ...
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Post by Don Barone on Dec 23, 2014 17:14:04 GMT -5
I had heard of this theory but had never watched the video presentation. Truly one of the most exciting discoveries out of Egypt in a long, long time. Hats off to Houdin for sure. A spine tingling story of perseverance mixed with just a touch of genius. The Making of A Pyramid |
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Post by Charlotte on Dec 24, 2014 9:59:23 GMT -5
Hi Don, Thank you for the image above, it is said that the original ornaments on the Christmas Tree were the planets. I read "Khufu's Secret Room", in which is stated: "No skeletons other than the king's were found in the chamber." I never heard that Khufu's skeleton was found in the KC, and when you spend some time alone in the Chamber there is no inkling of a skeleton. Inkling, premonition, in German kling-en is a bell ringing, in this case an "inner' bell, or kling-klang as the bells swings. Just making conversation The article continues: Where the Egyptians so focused on the afterlife that they forgot to pass down the knowledge of how real-life funerals were performed. You know, the "boring" logistical details?" The Egyptians probably found it too boring to record the "knowledge" of a real-life funeral. To say "the Egyptians" implies and brings with it the idea all the people living in Egypt at the time, rather than making a distinction between the ordinary folks and their "Priests, Architects and Builders", a Brotherhood of Initiates. Also, the article adheres to the claims of "Egyptology" concerning who built the Pyramid etc, etc., where as the Poet asserts the Pyramids are but the dressing of a former time. I can't visualize the Pyramid "built from the inside out", but I read several times that it was built from the top down, which I take to mean high and heavenly knowledge, akin to the Book that fell from Heaven, including Astronomy. "Do the Cheops antechambers still contain the furniture and objects used to perform Khufu's funeral?" No, the Pyramid is not a tomb, hence Khufu was never buried there. Remember what the Pyramid Champion said about his profound experience spending a night in the Kings Chamber? Of course, the hard-liners will ascribe it to a delusion, but I believe it, and not only because an old Muslim who had absolutely no interest or motivation to make up a story, which story really can't be made up in the first place without reading most of the enormous material set forth in translated hieroglyphs as he was illiterate. I sat with him, discerned his deep understanding of the Pyramid which he "eat" for 50 years, and his character. From my point of view, the article, as far as understanding the GP goes, is worthless. Pardon me. P.S. I haven't watched the video. |
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Post by Don Barone on Dec 24, 2014 10:55:42 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte and Merry Christmas to you and yours as well. I agree the basic article was nonsense and I too wonder at where the devil a skeleton came from when we all know this is totally false. I have challenged it on the Youtube video but no response yet. The video is so much "garbage" as well however I feel there is some merit is the theory that the casing stones were laid first and then filled in and I honestly feel that an interior tunnel and ramp used in the construction is the only possible way other than ... water power. As to two more chambers being found well I feel that the slanted stones can only be hiding or supporting another chamber possibly about 1/2 the size of the King's Chamber for it makes little sense that they are simply supporting the entrance tunnel for if they were would it not seem logical that these slated stones would be found over the entire length of the ascending and descending tunnel or passageways and I do not believe that they are. No now that I think on it the only possible reason is that there is another chamber behind the wall of stone. See below:  The two chambers suggested need not be for storage of funerary objects for as we see them below they could be giving us more data for our solar system.  And a possible chamber ....  The two other chambers proposed and pictured below are possibly identical to the two found in The Red Pyramid so using that as a guide I will do some research assuming that they are part of The Great Pyramid and see what I can come up with.  Cheers and Merry Christmas to one and all and let us all take a few minutes and remember Clive Ross who was the guiding light who started all of this for me. Don Barone |
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Post by Charlotte on Dec 25, 2014 11:49:49 GMT -5
Hi Don,
Watched about 5 minutes and agree. If we're talking about the same thing, it would be logical that the casing stones were laid first. As concerns an interior tunnel and ramp used in construction, all I can say is that the ascending passage is narrow and somewhat winding, and low overhead so that one has to put ones hands on the next stone step to advance, also to rest for the climb is arduous. The stones are uneven, rough. The descending passage is straight and lined with finished stones, wider, but also low overhead.
Did you mean slated or slanted stones, slanted as in the upside down V? There are no such in either passage. In the subterranean chamber there is an opening big enough for a person to crawl in, could be a tunnel to the Plateau. but it is barred with an iron gate. There is a labyrinth of tunnels under the plateau, I happened on a King's statue so life-like looking back at me, frightened I turned and hastened out.
I don't know anything about the water power theory. I think differently on all this, and if there is mention of water in the texts, it might mean celestial waters as I saw the Pyramids radiating energy in one dream compelling me to visit there. A very real dream confirming very real places and events when I got there.
So amazing as to defy belief the core energy planted there ever radiating around the World and forcing attention.
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Post by Charlotte on Dec 26, 2014 10:51:27 GMT -5
Hope everyone had a Christmas to their liking, ours was very good. Hi Don, Just looked at the images again and saw my mistake in saying the casing stones were laid first if we're talking about the outer smooth stones as still visible on top of Khafre's Pyramid, which seem to me to be applied last over the rougher stones. Thinking of the inner construction of the GP, it is impossible for me to imaging "the casing stones laid first and then filled in" via an inner ramp and tunnel as it would have to be a pretty steep ramp, at least toward the top, and what would that ramp be made up of to support stones and workers? In this case of ramp and workers setting stones in place inwardly, I see utter chaos. I can't even imaging the casing stones being laid one or a few at a time as they filled in stones as they build upward stone by stone. What after a few beers a few heavy stones slipped a little and accidentally bumped against the casing stones, especially working up high, and send them tumbling down bouncing of the rest and wrecking everything. Seriously though, I don't know how "they" built the Pyramids but have a feeling it was other than all the theories I'm aware of. I don't know anything about other suggested chambers, but I kept looking at the small opening in the subterranean chamber barred by an iron gate, wondering why it was there and where it may lead to, if anywhere. In my last post I should have said: one of three dreams calling me to the Pyramids, at a time when all I knew was that they were in Egypt, and the Kings were called Pharaoh. |
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Post by Don Barone on Dec 28, 2014 9:31:19 GMT -5
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Post by Charlotte on Dec 28, 2014 9:40:52 GMT -5
Hi Don,
Organizing my notes again, I found posts mostly from our time at Ma'at, 2002, 03, 04, and so on, many on quantum physics with Simon, Sophie, Tommi Huhtamaki et al, remember? Some I will post on the Poetry and Science forum. On the gabled entrance of the GP I found only the usual conjectures, but came upon one, though not related to your questions, such as the encoded speed of light as we know it, showing that they knew the future. This seems to come from a different direction but agrees with the Rosicrucian recording many future events to be found recorded in the GP. As far as I read, the Brothers of the Rosi Cross are seldom consulted, and if they are, few persons will acknowledge the content of their Library. I have my thoughts on why.
You have shown and applauded the Architects of the Great Pyramid and Giza Plateau for their grand achievements, so I'll repeat one of the greatest statements I came across:
"Some pyramid theorists believe The entire Giza Plateau is a monument to Light, or it contains in its many dimensions all of the median "measures" of light, The great pyramid is also a "sculpture" of a photon at rest, or the great pyramid has the rest mass of a stationary photon, or a sense of infinity etc."
The reason I love these words is because in mentioned dream I saw the Pyramids radiating, the sand and all in the air singing, and stepped into Eternity when I set foot on the Plateau, besides standing on the exact physical place at the entrance to the Plateau I stood in my dream, etched in my Soul as if both occurred this morning.
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Post by Charlotte on Dec 28, 2014 10:01:22 GMT -5
I still don't get the theory. The images of 4 or so men with what looks like wooden sticks or steel pipes moving stones of what weight, and 2 men moving a stone to abut on those in place? Did you post this with tongue in cheek? I like my dream better |
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Post by Charlotte on Dec 30, 2014 9:49:40 GMT -5
The first picture, before the entrance was changed, is simply amazing. I can't see a date when it was changed, as to why, I can only think of three reasons: to hide or obscure something not in the interest of those who changed it, the time was not yet to find it, or it was too difficult a climb. Moreover, maybe those who changed it also constructed the other entrance through which the GP is entered. When entering there, the passage first slopes down and might connect to the original entrance but leaving no sign of such connection. Upon entering I remember wondering why I'm walking down expecting to go up. Looking again at the image of a few men dragging and placing stones, I suppose it is just a general visual of how the Pyramid could have been built. Why it was built is pretty obvious by now, and Herodotus agrees with me in saying that "strangers supervised the building of the GP", and I don't think he meant Aliens from another planet. Though not the GP, a general clue of why may be found in the meaningful inscription from the Meidum Pyramid: "I came to see the beautiful temple of King Snefru. I found it as though heaven were within it, and the sun shining in it. May heaven rain fresh myrrh, may it drip with incense on the roof of the temple of King Snefru." Snefru is "The Bringer of Beauty", and "He shines". Snefru was "the son of the beautiful ones", of his god he says: "He causes me to be beautiful". This, and so many other inscriptions I love because they give us plenty material to discern what those "strangers" who guide the advancement of Humanity were on about. |
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Post by Charlotte on Dec 31, 2014 11:04:44 GMT -5
Hi Don,
Was thinking some more yesterday on the chamber suspected behind the large stones at the original entrance? It kept floating over my head, because as I mentioned before, I was told that there is a chamber, as seen by the Gentleman who called it the tomb of Osiris. He said that when he looked at the mummy he realized himself as Osiris, and so would anyone else who looked upon it. Whether this is true or not, I can't say, but other locals also "whispered" of a tomb of Osiris. The reason it stuck in my mind, is due to the Kings, when attaining mastership, ie being absolute Rulers over Upper and Lower Egypt, they became Osiris. Of course, this has nothing to do with geography.
My understanding is that the entire ethos of the Initiates among the AE was to record the way of transformation as set forth in "The Book of the Dead/Coming forth by Day." "Coming forth by Day and gaining the mastery over enemies", one's own.
"My forms are the forms of the god Khepera, the hair of the earth of Tem. I have entered as a man of no understanding, and I shall come forth in the form of a strong Spirit, and I shall look upon my form which shall be that of men and women forever and forever."
Notice "the form of men and women forever and forever", One form, in our time perpetuated in fairy tales of Prince and Princess finally marrying and living happily ever after.
Among many examples, there is a chapter to be recited:
"By recital of this chapter the deceased became a "perfected soul" in the Other World, and he passed through the Mesqet Chamber and avoided the place where the slaughtering of the enemies of Ra and Osiris was carried out. And he attained to such a state of perfection that he could never die again."
The dec-eased is not physically dead but on his way to "the Other World", he avoids where the slaughtering of Ra and Osiris is carried out, today we would say, the community of Atheists who slaughter God with improper language.
Another chapter:
"If this chapter be known [by the deceased] he shall be victorious both upon earth and in the underworld, and he shall perform every act of a living human being. Now it is the great protection which [hath been given] by the god.
"This chapter was found in the city of Khemennu upon a block of iron of the south, which had been inlaid [with letters] of real lapis-lazuli, under the feet of the god during the reign of His Majesty, the King of the North and of the South, Men-kau-Ra (Mycerinus), triumphant . . . ". The royal son "found it when he was journeying to make an inspection of the temples. One Nekht (?) was with him who was diligent in making him to understand (?) it, and he brought it to the king as a wonderful object when he saw that it was a thing of great mystery, which had never [before] been seen or looked upon."
Quantum Physics
"I came into being from unformed matter. I came into existence like the god Khepera. I have germinated like the things which germinate (i,e., plants), and I have dressed myself like the tortoise. I am the germ of every god."
On and on it reads. I don't know why Mr. Budge inserted plants, for the Scarabea fertilizes itself, goes into a cocoon from which it feeds and brings himself into being, renewed. Khaphra appears like the Sun.
In connection with this a hidden chamber might be possible. If anyone else would respond to your questions, Don, I would feel guilty hijacking your threat. As it is, I can only see things in tandem with the written, in an overall view.
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Post by Don Barone on Dec 31, 2014 14:00:07 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte a few things to answer. Firstly I think that it is logical that the casing stones were already finished with their slope angle when they were put into place. Finishing them as a rough hewn block while they sat on the pyramid makes no sense to me. A missing chamber is a nice dream and I think with the sloping large beans a very real possibility. As to hijacking my thread ... hijack away Cheers and of course Happy New Year ! |
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Post by Charlotte on Jan 1, 2015 11:07:32 GMT -5
I agree with your first sentence, maybe someone suggested they were finished while in place. About a hidden chamber or tomb of Osiris, I forgot to say that the locals told me it was under the Sphinx, submerged in water, and very dangerous to access. I asked several times to be taken there anyway, but the few people who knew where it was got tight-lipped, and aside from reasons given, they said would cost about $400, I think I remember. What? I exclaimed, judging by the mumbling and body language, I knew something wasn't right and had a feeling it was to do with the money about which everything in the tourist business there revolves. I got so used to it that I didn't believe anything anyone said, not mean spirited as I knew the dire circumstances in which all tried to survive.
But there was another side to the locals, perceptive and intelligent, warm and inviting, to dinner, to celebrate and dance with them, and communicating stories and experiences which I knew were true because a bell rang, a soul response to where the sound comes from, not the words per se.
Read my last post and thought I didn't express myself very well, but even as I read and write another interpretation pops in.
I think the coming year will must be another step out of the transitional swamp in which Humanity drags our feet.
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Post by Charlotte on Jan 3, 2015 9:16:22 GMT -5
I'll leave this subject for now. Look at "their" stupendous Works, show and tell:
Plait for thyself a garland; thy life is everlasting.
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Post by Fred L on May 19, 2015 16:46:12 GMT -5
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Post by Don Barone on May 20, 2015 8:01:17 GMT -5
Hi Fred no I had not read this but was well aware he was supposed to debate Graham Hancock but Hawass went berserk at the mention of Robert Bauval and his OCT theory and although he did give a talk he never debated Hancock. To be honest they are both (Hancock and Hawass) over the hill washed up relics from the past and it is to me laughable the way they are trying to get the headlines again. In my opinion, from reading many of his books, Graham never had an original thought about any of this himself and although a masterful writer he really just regurgitated writings from before him. As to Bauval, Clive Ross (now sadly deceased) but still the greatest thinker about the Giza Plateau that has ever lived, told me when he (Clive) was young he met with Hawass after Hawass saw fit to wink and look the other way when he personally went to Egypt while a student in Toronto to check out some of his theories by taking measurements of the small Pyramid of G2 and the satellite pyramids of G1 and G3. Clive also told me that he told Hawass about his idea of the possibility that the three Giza Pyramids were part of The Orion Constellation way before any one wrote about it. Clive told me there was someone else in the room when he was explaining his theory to Hawass and that Hawass seemed very interested, Oh yeah Clive wasn't 100% sure but was pretty well almost convinced that the other man in the room at the time was .... ROBERT BAUVAL.
And now you have the rest of the story.
Best
Don Barone
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Post by Fred L on May 22, 2015 14:48:00 GMT -5
Sad to think that it could all be self publicity waffle from Hawass without any genuine plans/aspiration to do anymore practical work there.  |
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, hopefully I can learn something. Seeing the last image, perhaps to have the right angle to the subterranean chamber. My guess on the slanted stones would be to support the mass of stones. 
