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Post by ariston on Jan 7, 2008 23:20:54 GMT -5
By kind permission, Above and Below presents: Leonardo incorporaing proportion into the figure of Anthropos, named Vitruvian man after the Roman Architect and author of De Architectura; Marcus Vitruvius Pollio. circa 1stC bce. His ten books on architechture are the only existing books in the field from antiquity and the list of sources read like a who's who in the fields of mathematics, philosophiy, etc,etc The proportions of man is what on show here, accomodated nicely by the to other variables, the circle and square. Geometric proportion in this case, specifically regarding the said forms. Notice on the right version the shapes are hightlighted. The square diagonal crosses over Man's Genitalia and the circle diameter crosses over his navel. This is indicative of Leonardo's insertion, albeit vague insertion, of the two offset shapes to incorporate the features in presenting the two geometric proportions that are the square root of two and PI. root2=1.4142135, the power acts on the base of a square, multiplied by root2 equals the diagonal. And the cirlcle I suggest then that Leonardo purposely incorporated these crossings of the navel and Genitalia with the key proportion vectors to epitomise the proportions of Man and the Canon of Proportion. The union of the two proportions also poduces an intriguing equation that I can only speculate whether Leonardo was aware, but given his abilities, it it hard not to envision this; square root2*PI= 1.4142135*3.1415926=4.442 1.4142135*3.1428571=4.444
This resultant tri- numeric correspondence may be a veiled indication pointing to ciphers that exist within the numeric strategem when used within scriptural interpretation. The figure of Anthropos is in cruciform which is also suggestive given the tri-numeric corroberation. The proportions point to a cipher that suggest that The Son Of Man is exactly that. With the indicated root2 proportion, which was considered the Archetypal irrational number by Classical Greek thought and is given in Plato's Republic, a schema can be shown that more or less proves that the derivation of the given value has its genesis stemming from the roots or AEONS. A: ROOT2*150*PI= 1.4142135*150=212.13202*3.142=666....
B: PI*150*ROOT2= 22/7*150=471.42856*1.4142135=666...
The trinumeric relationship with root2 can best be expressed geometrically; The crossing of the navel and genitalia may have other connotations relating to the term Omphallus, which is given as THE NAVEL OF THE WORLD. Omphallus was located at the Oracle at Delphi, which was sacred to the God Appollo. This term, mentioned by Plato in the Republic has been adopted by the Bishop's of Rome, The pontifex Maximus, another pagan term has often been called UMBILACHUS MUNDI, The Navel of the World. The Greek variation obviously predates the Roman Church. In mythos Zeus was said to have sent out his two eagles to fly over the Navel and thus marking the spot. The Stone at Delphi was said to have been used by Rhea, Magna Mater and mother of the GODS, The counterpart of Cybele,to deceive Cronus into thinking it was Zeus. There is also the story of Hercules having to serve Queen Omphale for a year. Navel could be taken as an AXIS. Appollo slew the Python that resided by the Navel and buried the Serpent under the Omphallus for Python chased his mother LETO my namsake, on the orders of Hera, the preistess became known as Pythia, this has resonance with the Midgard SERPENT the axis that is Yggdrasil, the tree of life in Asgardian Lore, The ALFather with his two Ravens. But then serpents pop up everywhere. Stirling tells us that the Romans called Omphallus Cardo,a determination of the compass points, from this we get the CARDINALS of the Church. Most towns were marked with a cross in the centre, which becomes apparent with many place names, christian dogma aside. Apparently there are Omphallus at Thebes and Jerusalem. At the church of The holy Sepulchre there is a spot called The compass of our lord.Incidentally the Omphallus is corded with a net. The position was hidden and marked by a cross with a trident atop, in veneration to the Lord of the Surface of the Earth, Poseidon. Swiss Re Building, City of London , 30 St mary aXe [/center] It is a question as to whether you think all of this ties in with Leonardo's implied crossing of the bodies locations with the proportion vectors, which as shown, have great significance with regards to scripture, having tri numeric poperties. I am open to the idea of Omphallos being derived from earlier sites, ie Giza, which is centred on what is virtually the geographic centre of the Earth, the true Navel. Upon this Rock-St Peter-Umbilichus Mundi Bows and Curtsies Latona
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Post by Don Barone on Jan 7, 2008 23:36:09 GMT -5
Wow we are sure moving fast now ... I will have to read your post very carefully but yes you are correct ... Sq rt of 2 x's 1000 = 1414.2135623730950488016887242097 Divide by 3 = 471.40452079103168293389624140323 Diagonal is indeed sq root of 444444.44444444444444444444444444 or .... 666.66666666666666666666666666667 Very interesting ... I will give it much thought as if I need more to think on Methinks Leonardo is telling us or showing his way of squaring the circle. .... Will have a look tomorroow as I am tired. Cheers Don Barone PS: I do not think this will work out correctly. I do not think he ever solved it. Why because if he had figured it out it was sacred knowledge and he would NEVER have posted this image in his work book !!!! I think this was his attempt at solving it but I will check further tomorrow.
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Post by ariston on Jan 7, 2008 23:44:32 GMT -5
Dear Don,
That's Great, and it ties in nicely with your Hexagram with multiples thereof, ooohh I just love geometry, No need to ask whether you do. You certainly don't need more to think on, actually when your on a roll.......
I would like to see your hexagram applied to The Cube of Metatron, whether it would yield anything further is yet to be seen, nevertheless, the convergenve of the cubes hexagram would fit beautifully with your schema, and as a lover of geometry, things like that have to be tried, don't you agree...
Kind Regards and SALUT Latona
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Post by ariston on Jan 7, 2008 23:50:18 GMT -5
Dear Don,
Your presentations and structure have set a benchmark which I adhere to,as you can tell I am having a ball expressing myself, Once again thanks for the opportunity.
The tips of my fingers are starting to chafe. I calling it quits till tomorrow night.
blessings and Kow tows to you and your family and to Charlotte and Paul and evryone else. Kind Regards Latona
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Post by Charlotte on Jan 9, 2008 9:45:25 GMT -5
Hello Latona, Don, Paul, Yesterday morning I sat here reading, nodding, smiling, baffled, but towing at that which seems so effortless to you, Latona, and thanks also for the beginners geometry. You confirmed my understanding of "The Son Of Man", and made clear the "Umbilichus Mundi", besides a few other things. Both, the solar plexus of the human body, and Giza, can and are called "the city of gems". From what I have read here and there, I think Leonardo is greatly underestimated, any great mind and painter can only write and paint what he understands. It is my experience that fingertips heal in 2 days Charlotte
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Post by PMacG on Jan 9, 2008 16:17:10 GMT -5
Hi Latona.
There was one very interesting thing I noticed about the intersection of the circle's diameter and the square's diagonal line (in its longest part) is it gives a 1/4 division of the circle. In other words it gives the circle and the cross.
Paul.
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Post by ariston on Jan 9, 2008 20:28:39 GMT -5
Dear Paul,Charlotte and Don, That intersection looks pretty close to the Golden section, worth spending 30 minutes on. Taking you up on your prompt, a logical conclusion; 22/7*rt2+22/7*rt2= 3.142857143*1.4142135=4.444(67...)*2=8.88(934) IHSOYS=888 The Son of Man Kind Regards Latona
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Post by ariston on Jan 9, 2008 22:03:45 GMT -5
Dear Paul,Charlotte,Don. By extending the geometry a bit, adding another square and two circles, the result is a 2 to 1 rectangle fitting nicely inside a double vesica. and so with this abstract schema, which looks nice, the square roots of 2,3 and 5 are represented by the sq. vesica and rectangle respectively, root 5 being the diagonal from the base, and alsp PI FOR THE CIRCLE. The true proportions indeed. Naturally, having a double vesica, I could not resist inserting a hexagram. Following the same methods as with the star of Ishtar, by crossing the 2 to 1 rectangles and drawing in the diagonals you get the double aspect cross, the Acute Cross of St John and the Bar Templar cross. Thus providing the scfema with root2,3,5 and PI ,which constitute the proportions fro the square,vesica and rectangle, circle respectively. And so taking the process one step further; above and below presents
The Vitruvian Sefirot [/b][/center] The pointers from anthropos being the 4 hands, 4 feet, 1 fead and the genitalia, 10 sefirot;
AUR AIN SOPH LIMITLESS LIGHT LIGHT WITHOUT END Love and Light Latona
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Post by Don Barone on Jan 10, 2008 9:14:40 GMT -5
Very nice ........ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Will look deeper later but it looks great. Good eye !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the center of the square ? His genitalia ... 1/2 the seed of life. Can you find the other half ?
cheers Don Barone
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Post by PMacG on Jan 10, 2008 11:15:40 GMT -5
Hi Latona, Don, and of course Charlotte.
So this great man Leonardo seemly knew a lot more, but how deeply he and/or his fellow initiate's of the Rossy Cross knew these working's remains an unknown ? Well as I said yesterday, or the day before, after much research I found nothing more to say on whether anyone had known the deeper working's of 'The Seals' for an extremely very long time. Only in the hints given in such work's like this of Leonardo did I see a possibility that the full workings were known, but never more, the always went so far and then stopped short. I feel we are getting somewhere towards putting all of these images into a working form, for as just images they can only point towards something that actually works in reality. Otherwise this would just remain an investigation of the images used and it would not go further, and I don't see such an interest as was shown by such great men as Leonardo, plus all ancient cultures, as not having been related to something of benefit.
Latona you don't miss a prompt or a trick, so my sincere congrats on the work you already have put forward - great. The length of the lines in the formation or placement of the square gives two obvious measures, firstly of the division of the circle into 1/4 (as already mentioned), and also 1/6th. The 1/6th division is given in the length/division of the sides of the square below the diameter of the circle. I also thought I had found a length of a 1/5th but it just falls short by a gnats whisker. I shall try and give this some more time and a more exact way of defining the measures but my daughter is not well so time is limited at present.
Keep warm and well - Paul.
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Post by Charlotte on Jan 11, 2008 10:26:48 GMT -5
Hi Latona, Don, and of course, Paul, Spectacular, thus depicted, "The Vetruvian Man" and "Vetruvian Sefirot", yes, I can see it, and marvel at the sublime knowledge of the Kabalists and Renaissance Painters. An artist can only create what he knows of, and an interpreter thereof as well. I am much more enthusiastic than you, Paul, "they went so far and stopped short", I'm sure for a reason, but by their works we can know them, a "gnats whisker" lol never matters to me. "We don't know if they knew "the deeper workings of "The Seals" lost for a long time". I don't think the knowledge was ever lost, I learned that during the "Dark Ages" one Dionysius the Areopagite" guarded the flame. We have good reason to celebrate our current rebirth. I hope Lilly is much better To One and All AUR AIN SOPH Charlotte
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Post by ariston on Jan 11, 2008 15:23:13 GMT -5
Dear Don,Paul and Charlotte,
The 2 to 1 rectangle, as a continuation of the geometry really did it for me, the rest was natural progression, of course it is all a matter of interpretation. Leonardo was,according to some a Johannite(oannes/ea) and I thought that fit nicely with the Acute cross of St John. But this is also the duality aspect that can be found in the Mary archetypes, whereas the soltices match the Days of John and JESUS, and the analogies linking the annuaki manifest again in that Ihsoys/Tammuz/Dumuzi/Attis/Osiris death and resurrection, Whereas Innanna/Ishtar,s festival was afestival of renewal and occurred during the vernal Equinox which is concordant with EASTER, named so after Eostre, the goddess of fertility, hence eostregen. The word itself etymologically is not a million miles from Ishtar; Capricorn, the sign during The winter solstice being attached to EA/Saturn.
EAS-TER ISH-TAR
Although one is typically indo-european and one semitic, in the archaic period Thery were neighbours and through re-migrations and such, a process of influence and re influence has taken effect. The same could be said of Joshua/Yeshua a typically semitic name, wherein we have Jesus , derived from a Indo European culture, hich was obviuosly influence by Phoenicia, wherein Phoenicia took its star from Sumeri, every other word for God in the Tanakh describes The Elohim, El , the father of Baal Hadad, who also exists in the Annunaki. And so Pfhenicea Inluenced the Hebrew. This is made obviuos by the Alpha bet, Phonetically Pheonician is HEBREW. No surprise then that Freemasonry Has Hiram of Tyre(phoenica) TheBuilder of the Temple and THE King of Tyre , Hiram again, supplied the materials, particularly Cedar.
Baal, meaning Lord, quite possibly could have been corrupted intentionally, Beelzebub meaning Lord of the Flies and Beelzebul meaning Lord of all. The Hasidic mystics had their messiah as BAAL-SHEM, they obviously saw things differently. The etymoloical factors also play a part in the myth of Ragnorak, BAL-der the god of light, husband of NANNA has resonance with BAAL-TANIT of canaan, Tanit being Inanna/Ishtar. Balder being another figure of Death and Rebirth. Appollo, The god of Light has a sister called DI-ANA. The Quest goes on.
I agree Paul, The invisible colleges must have remained so because the Fanatical sadistic literalistic inquisition had no time for mystic truth, its the antithesis of devout literalism, which in itself purports to be the Truth.
The Jewish mystics also see things as a feminine aspect of divinity rather than male, The Matronit/Shekinah is celebrated as The presecence of God and supplies the power of prophecy, according to them. Isaac ben Luria, a Rabbi replaced Keter with Daat, which can be seen as two aspects of the same, DAAT occupied the space a the tip of the Middle Hexagram, it is described as Knowledge and link between Emotion and intellect. Being at the top of the middle Hexagram, it was place, in the schema midway between the solar plexus(charlotte- CITY OF GEMS) and naval, and thus in vedic terms could be described as PRANA, the breath of life, which in Martial arts systems translates as HARA, the root of Awareness, being one aspect of KI/CHI. The ability to exude one,s own energy. This could be concordant with what Don is implying.
My colleague suggested that I incorprorate the Cube of Metatron into the schema as this emanates from a central Hexagram.
I take great encouragemnt from your positive responses regarding this. Its a question of possibility and probability, It is quite possible that Leonardo intended this, but is it probable.
Home is where the Heart is and I feel quite at home on A&B. Kind Regards Latona
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Post by PMacG on Jan 11, 2008 16:01:43 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte.
All I can say is the 1/4 and the 1/6th seems exact, but the 1/5 does not appear as an exact match but appears as extremely close. I hope my reporting of exactly what I can find does not degrade my enthusiasm in your eyes.
If the end product of all we are investigating was concealed in secret, it indeed must have been done for a reason, and I have already said so by providing historical information on this subject as to what that reason might be. If all had been known to the Master's of the Renaissance then good, but through my own research I cannot say either way for sure.
If the end product of the working's had not been concealed within images and symbolism, for whatever reason, then there would have been no reason for our present quest to gain our own complete understanding of it. We would have already known it without question.
I tried to be sincere in what I put forward, but I do try and refrain from conjecture on what might or might not be the case just to see the outcome I personally desire the end product to be - the 'right' is the only thing will work in the end. All pieces that don't fit will be left by the way-side in due course. I hope that when I don't know something I have said 'I don't know', and I have only ever put forward an idea for the consideration of others who might or do know more than me.
Regards - Paul.
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Post by ariston on Jan 11, 2008 17:20:31 GMT -5
Dear Paul, Charlotte,Don Yes I see the 1/4th and the 6th, I am inclined to believe that if the VM was possibly a derivative of the sefirot then the sefirots inspiration quite possibly was gleaned from another schema, possibly metatron, wherein the VM may incorporate this aswell. The only way to answer that is to get down to the NITTY GRITTY. I did this earlier as an expression of the unity in symbolim emanating from the primary circle and square; You can see the dynamic. Just remebering the time you gave me the link regarding the Tesselations. Liberty at N.Y stands on the STAR; or a variation of it. She repesents Enlighteninment to the World, on her tablet is written 4th July 1776. Her height is 151 ft and 1 inch, multipled by 5=755.5, a few inches short 440 royal cubits. That figure does not incorporate the pedestal, which is 154 feet. All the best to you and your family. Latona
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Post by PMacG on Jan 12, 2008 8:28:18 GMT -5
Hi Latona.
The 1/5th is formed (or it is extremely close, and I mean extremely so it could be down to reproduction of the drawing) by the longest part of the circle's diameter to where it is intersected by the diagonal of the square. So the diagonal of the square where it crosses the diameter East/West of the circle forms both the 1/4th and 1/5th, the 4th being within the square, the 5th within the circle. It was the divisions of the 4th and the 5th = 9 that was of the greatest interest to me within the working's of the Magic Square of the Well (or Nine), and the Cubic Diamond. While looking at the GPs, G2 and G3 fit the 4th or Metric division of the Earth, while the G1 fits the 5th division given by Imperial (I know I have tried to explain this before). I have a good feeling about this 4th and 5th division in other matters we have been discussing of late, this should include the Metatronic, or Metronic Cube. Both can be linked to the formation of matter.
I can't find other divisions as yet (still looking), so this leads me to point to one obvious thing about the values of the Hexagrams or Seals - as they are placed into the workings of the Square of Mercury by using multiples of 5 and 10, as indeed the 5th, and 1/4 + 1/6th give us this same direction to the both the values of time, and the measure of length. This allows us to move from 1/2 right through to the 6th (1/2 to 1/64), but this gives rise to a 12th as opposite cubes can be placed together in a correct sequence, and this is achieved by placing the values cubes into the square that read off symmetrically in a circle.
Regards - Paul.
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Post by Charlotte on Jan 12, 2008 10:51:04 GMT -5
The great ones of Florence began each correspondence to their kindred spirits
Greetings!
"If the end product of the working's had not been concealed - then there would have been no reason for our present quest to gain our own complete understanding". It would all be hearsay, admitted neither in worldly nor divine court of law.
I am glad you, Paul, report exactly what you find to put the brakes on my "they knew it all", and I know you're as enthusiastic as the next person interested in 'it', but more subdued and rational than me, who many times has difficulty in bridling my horses.
I noticed the additional geometry, Latona, and we are so pleased that you feel at home here, and the Queen's words to Nicholas Bacon come to mind: "you have made your house to little for your Lordship", answered Sir Nicholas: "Your Majesty hath made me too big for my house".
Indeed, the Statue of Liberty represents Enlightenment for the world, above and below. The democratic individual governs him/herself.
I hear the chimes of Freedom
Charlotte
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Post by PMacG on Jan 12, 2008 17:58:38 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte.
I'm sure that you understand I give according to my means, however meagre they might be, and I shall endeavour to always be sincere. I see no need for you to curb your enthusiasm in anyway, it keeps us all going.
Blessings as always - Paul.
Ps. Lilly is feeling much better today, it was just a bug with temp and sore throat and all, but there has been a lot of very bad flu around here so I was worried she had it but it appears all is OK on that score so far.
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Post by ariston on Jan 12, 2008 18:01:51 GMT -5
Dear Paul,Charlotte,Don
Greetings,
It is worth trying superimposing various schema with each other just to glean the results, even if none, for curiousity sake. The root word of curious being LORD=KYPIOS. Nothing wrong with that then. Metatron cube just has to be played with, its only a natural progression....and a time consuming one aswell, because one draught is never enough!!! too many distractions on the to do list also...must......find....tiiiimmmmmeeee.
The resonance is resounding . In a purely geometric level, The Platonic solids represented the states of matter, the elements, including the QUINTESSENTIAL fifth. hadron=matter, I like it. I am inclined to believe they did know it all and although I try to be objective and as sober as I can, I cannot shake the feeling. Multiple correlation always sits at the back of mind. It is getting to a stage beyond passion, but I remain grounded.
By a cubic diamond are you talkng about the octohedron , 2 pyramids together at the base, with your reference to Don on ancient Egypt. I am convinced also that the volume plays its part also, as with the surface area of Khufu.
Kind Regards Latona
Fraternity,Equality and Liberty
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Post by ariston on Jan 12, 2008 20:12:13 GMT -5
Greetings Kindred, This is most relevant, THE TEMPLE AND THE SEFIROT 'Under the shadow of the wings of YHWH' Regards Latona
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Post by Don Barone on Jan 12, 2008 23:07:54 GMT -5
Hi Latona et all ... Well well well. Your recent posting made me do something I had been meaning to do for years. Anyone who has read my posting on The Burlington Stone realize that I am convinced that The La Salle Pavilion was laid out following an ancient Egyptian temple and now thanks to you I know exactly which one. Not only that I think I know why this particular design was chosen. This idea has been floating around in my head for years and for some reason I never bothered acting on it until now. Firstly your tree of life diagram is not quite accurate. There is more and it is larger. Here is the proper image ... And now following on the themes I have been pursuing for quite some time now may I present possibly the very first encoding of said Tree of Life ...... Hope you are sitting down ... this again is pretty neat. Especially where "The Holy of Holies" seems to be placed I'm guessing represented by the blue circle. The Riddle of The Sphinx Life itself ? yeah that sure fits ... What do you think gang ? And rumour is ripe that it was The Masons that laid out much of Burlington and surrounding areas and cemeteries and also as I mention on my website this whole area is deemed sacred by The Native Americans who inhabit or inhabited this area and all traced back to La Salle and The Sun King , Louis XIVth I really should at the very least write that book ... Here is another look: Cheers Don Barone PS: If memory serves me well this is EXACTLY the design of The La Salle Pavilion and with a free thinker as mayor who once studied with The Cayce Federation and spent a night in The Pyramid perhaps it is time to pursue this area a little more in depth. If you agree that this is possibly what it means I will get the plans for the pavilion and see if it checks ...
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Post by ariston on Jan 13, 2008 0:07:24 GMT -5
Dear Don,
There is a saying in London which means something good , but sounds really bad. I'll just conclude by saying, great, my socks have just been blown off. Write that book and post your finding as soon as you glean them. Kind Regards Latona
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Post by PMacG on Jan 13, 2008 8:24:41 GMT -5
Hi Latona.
Yes I know like myself you all smell a conclusion, we are on the point of saying Yes! But even though my own enthusiasm also abounds I feel we must take the information and make it firm, in other words make it our own and make the ancient clues work for us as well. In this way we don't even have to ask subjective questions as to who knew what and when, it is the images and workings they left that are of the greatest importance to us. All our myths and legends point toward the same thing, it is like a constant sub-conscious thread that permeates all things of culture and learning. But as the I Ching states, it has been an aspiration of bringing order out of chaos, as it brings us to investigate science and all the arts and it is this that allows us to transcend the animal - as only in this way can be work together for mutual benefit of all.
All the ancient myths about the construction of the Sacred Mountain say its structure is half visible and half hidden beneath the surface of the waters (the plane or field), and this is indeed to do with volume or displacement - hence Eureka! The measure of the sphere, or weight of matter is set against pure yellow gold the metal and colour of 'The Middle'.
If we look at all Greek Myths backwards to unknown depths of history we get the same narrative, and all point us toward understanding the structure of creation, all are part of a creation story. You mention Apollo and Delphi Latona, as I do in the book, but also look at the story Tantalus being chained to the underworld, for if he moved the great stone placed over his head it would fall and crush him. The underworld is governed by a firm set laws set in chains (=22) and the image give us 8 or 16 chains (8 x 22 =176, 8 x 44 or 16 x 22 = 352), and if the law is moved the whole structure of the mountain collapses. I could go on all day giving such examples to prove the point of reference, but in the end the simple maths works, so others can take it up and work with it if they so wish.
As I know you also understand the reference point, then all images and symbols of the myth fit into place, as it does with the Temple of the Sphinx. The actual design gives a Hexagram and even the side pillars give the correct way to undo the measures, as 8 are placed on each each side, and 6 at the top and 6 at the bottom, the key is therefore given to undo all the workings of 'The Seals'. The inner pillars are divided 3 lower and 3 upper with the central altar standing in the middle as the seventh part. (Just like Stargate, it was on last night) But the design you and Don give are of the same workings. The thing about the workings that has been partly mired by argument is that we have many parts all derived from the same base, many aspects fit together to make the whole.
As to the design of the GPs, Don has gone to the point where the correct measures and design (as far as I can work it out) are given, we know the design fits together in many ways. Now the only thing I have suggested is that the working's given in myth is also included, and this gives us the hidden part. I see the placement of 3 pyramids, and the division of the G1 as an 8th as on purpose (as to have a reason or consideration for something), and as the best way to display the whole workings, and if we follow reason then the whole workings of the trine is an 8 or 16 spoke-wheel. Now I'm not giving this design just because of these 2 reasons stated above, as indeed the given design is paramount in all cultural texts concerning the creation of the earth, but also because if one wishes to follow this, one finds the GPs all fit exactly into all the myths. They form a set of squares, circles, and they give a hexagon and the rectangle of 1.732 in various ways, and this in turn gives 'the means'.
If one looks at the position all the pyramids each is placed so their centres exactly give the division of the circle into an 8th spoke-wheel of the law, or Time-Wheel Thread. The idea I gave to Don was of using the centres of G1 and it placement as a north/south reflection produces 2 circles as in Vesica Piscis. The center's of the G3's form a line East/West to define the centre of the reflection and of the 'Fish', the 6th division in both upper and lower circles. G2 defines the corners of the rectangle through their bottom East and West outer corners. That all the GPs play a part in this design, and another based on a circle centred on G3 through their centres and corners, leads me to see this as a goer. I fully understand the nature of such delusions, I faced the same with the values of the hexagrams, so a step at a time is the nature of my restraint.
Regards - Paul.
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Post by Charlotte on Jan 13, 2008 10:19:51 GMT -5
Greetings Don, Paul, Latona,
I'm sitting, Don, and this is the most telling "Baum des Lebens" I have ever seen: from the "first swirlings" to "the complete man." Beautiful! And under the wings of Jehovah and Jah.
Everywhere in symbol and architecture we find the same knowledge.
Gentlemen, thank you!
Charlotte
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Post by ariston on Jan 13, 2008 18:16:49 GMT -5
Dear Don,Charlotte, Paul, The 22 chains mimic the 22 paths of the sefirot and the 176 is one of the prime sequences in the Greek GEMATRIA, 352 being the Value of O ODOS= The Way. A term used universally, but significantly in this case, a term utilised by the THERAPEUTAE the TAO. As Philo of Alexandria stated that they are not too dis similar to the Pythagoreans and lived the contemplative life, Like the Acoustikons and Manthenanen of The Crotona School. The multiples of 176(/2=88=THOTH) is one of the most potent in the Canon of Gematraic Transliterations. Although the real challenge will be to Transliterate the variants of the Bible , word for word, to higlight the consistency within the numerics. Re occuring values between the greek and hebrew occur and quite frankly the design concepts are truly awesome. The narrative seems to have been constructed as such to accomodate value, boggling to a degree because we are not taught to regard language as such, and for the main, most don't. Tantulus mimics Python being put under Omphalos stone. I was working on the value 64 in reference to hexagrams, so much to do. 8*8=64*64=4096*128(64*2)=524288, which is one of the variables in the Comma of Pythagoras. and 27*27=729(plato's dictaor/king no.)*729=531441, the other variable; so 27sq=729sq= 531441 8sq=64sq*128=524288 = The comma of Pythagoras. The Vesica / sign of Jonah , a rationalised root3*1000 also gives the geometric derivative; 666.6666; This is the geometric revelation I mention these two elements in the same breath because I think there is relationship between the two ratio's involving the variables for the surface area's at giza, as divisons of a square root2*1000, from whence 666.666 is derived and other given variables extracted from the writings of Plato, that crafty......! Don,s post comprehensive and I agree withCharlotte, I have not seen a better depiction of the Tree. His schema is great, He is the DON, as they say. The greater plan looks like it could also incorporate a larger design, perhaps the cube of Metatron again, emanating from the central hexagram, it is definately worth a go. Thanks for posting that on the other side, a great addition and in this particular banquet, The more Chefs we have the better,e sepecially those worthy of a Michelin star, et al. Here are a few images based on the cross vesica/double hexagram schema, the 12 pointed star gleans an enneagram, when the points of the enneagram are taken midway between the said points. The Enneagram gleaned;by taking midpoints of 12 pointed star, dble hexagram. And as applied to The Obverse and Reverse Great Seal. This could go into National Treasure, don't you think Charlotte, and at some point I will integrate it. E PLURIBUS UNUM- from the many one, mimics Pythagoras's Tetraktys, from the Monad many. To CAP it off, The All SEE-ing eye design, at the base of the scfema the central most point fall on 3 letters in THE GREAT SEAL. These are SEE. The Eagle has 9 tail feathers and NOVUS is etymologically related to NOV, As in November, the 9th month. Kind Regards Exulted one's Latona
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Post by PMacG on Jan 14, 2008 7:03:45 GMT -5
Hi Latona, and all.
Indeed this is the same mathematical workings I got from the Book of Changes, and I see more and more coming together in the workings as to how it fits the design at Giza. As I also pointed out the schema fits into all the aspects you mention, and the prize (IMHO) was to fit it in a language, the letter of which were 22, but with 21 values, but this also fits music, DNA, and not least it is being seen fit the structure of matter (this was why the language was needed - but I would be introducing another field entirely if I went further here as this concerns what I term 'Universal Downloads of Information'). This fits the binary as well as the natural linear integer progression, which we now know can be combined to give the working values of time, measure, but also a means of communication that doesn't need time/space: So now maybe it incorporates all things, as it gives the whole structure of the inner movements of energy within the physical body.
The energy rises to simulate movement to action on the field of play (the time/space field), and the way this happens can actually be observed in mind, we thereby can now combine physics and psychology. The code that I think we are about to find is in the way all parts of the field are instructed to change, this gives rise to all observed events, but the information is transmitted from a source beyond all dimensions. If you know the code and you know how to receive it all events in all the cycles of time space can be downloaded, this is the reason why so many men sought the secret. I see Moses as finding it, I see the Hebrews using it, but for some reason it was them lost. All the images of its workings remained, but that was all. I hope you prefer me being unrestrained Charlotte, or maybe I should return this madness to the box and lock it.
The Chinese texts also tell us that this gives the design of the tree that grows on top of the structure of the sacred mountain, and in this we have the design of 'The Tree of Life'. They also mention the means of communication between the gods to which men where once privy.
Personally I now see we have so much all pointing to the same as it comes at us from all direction (all the points of physical movement, symbolized by the horse), and I may ask as to how many more points do we need to accept the workings as being on the mark. Surely we have enough, but that is for others to also agree upon, as only through a general agreement do we transcend our own delusions as to what works and what doesn't.
In your last design of Vesica Pisces on the first of your images, when the GPs are placed as a reflection (the part of which was given by Gary Osborn, as he gave the arrow or wing design formed by left and right reflection, the way 51 degrees from the centre of G1 to the centre of G3 defines the cubic diamond and the southern placement of G1's reflection). G1 and it's reflection sits at the centres of the 2 circles (you mark one with an X), and G3 defines the central line intersecting both the circles (you mark A, B), these therefore define the measures you mention.
I am extremely interested to see the scale of the placement, this being down to Don's tireless work on the true measurements, and I hope this all represents a giant step forward in this field - indeed it should. This should now confirm the design of the GPs to time itself, but as I mention above, much much more should arise from it.
Kind Regards - Paul.
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Post by Charlotte on Jan 14, 2008 9:51:41 GMT -5
Guten Morgen! Sons of learning and fun Don, you blow my mind with yours. The sharpest intellects agree with you, save that gnats whisker, love that expression, on which nobody can agree on yet, the IT. Your "other thoughts" are Seth's, the bringer of hot storms (doubt) from the Giza desert, to which some add their own weak breath. I am oh so happy you're cool in your own neighberhood again and living "high living on the hog" (with me = "affluent and luxurious", a phrase from the 17th century I love the geometry, Latona, and how everything 'under' the heavens 999 turns out 666, true above and below, and hopefully, in straining toward, I grow more brain cells. Ah yes, the NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM belongs in "The National Treasure" becoming the international treasure by the by. Since you loved my "friendly white whale" association, once upon a time, before I knew and was so in love with Francis Bacon, I dreamed the phone rang - I picked it up - said nothing but listened. A women's voice on 'the other end' said: "You don't have to think - you know who I am - I am Novum Organum." I had no idea what it meant, but the words were clear and never left me, but not too long after the bell rang and knocked me out of my socks, and to this day I haven't found them. Novum Organum Francis Bacon: "... the Sun enters the palace and the privy alike and is not polluted thereby. We rais not a Capitol or Pyramid to the pride of man, but a Holy Temple in his mind on the model of the Universe, which model we imitate. For whatsoever deserves to exist deserves to be known, and knowledge is the image of Existence. Now the mean and the splendid alike exist..." and my cup runeth over. Hear hear, Paul Smith!!! Please don't keep parts of IT in the box, Don kicked it alltogether into the wind, I think; if it exists it deserves to be known by us who inter-rest in IT. Be unrestrained with me, I love and understand what you say, even if for the reason that it confirms and gives power to my own view, who cares, we know we got the lion by the tail and eventually sit side by side with 'it', serene as is the face of the Sphinx. Then we can raise a glass of embrosia and be ecstatic, not just out of this world happy. Cheers Charlotte
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Post by PMacG on Jan 14, 2008 16:21:44 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte.
Please just call me Paul, or if you have to be formal Paul Martyn-Smith, but not the dreaded Paul Smith that gets me thrown off of forums - there's aversion for you.
I will not keep anything locked away - haven't done so far. Maybe I've said somethings that have been missed or not understood - OH! Well, that's the way. But when I look back a year or so and then look at what we are discussing here now, how could I complain, we have got through a lot of stuff and put a lot of ideas into play I thinks.
Paul.
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Post by Charlotte on Jan 15, 2008 9:57:57 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte. Please just call me Paul, or if you have to be formal Paul Martyn-Smith, but not the dreaded Paul Smith that gets me thrown off of forums - there's aversion for you. I will not keep anything locked away - haven't done so far. Maybe I've said somethings that have been missed or not understood - OH! Well, that's the way. But when I look back a year or so and then look at what we are discussing here now, how could I complain, we have got through a lot of stuff and put a lot of ideas into play I thinks. Paul. It was not meant to be a formal address, more a term of endearment, you know, like when someone says, "hey Charlotte Masuda... and whatever, I hear a in the words. Soo Love and respectfully yours truly Charlotte
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Post by PMacG on Jan 15, 2008 15:12:19 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte - indeed there was a ;D to be sure.
When Heaven moves its value is 9, and Earth is 6. Heaven is round, and Earth is square - they are the seeds through which all the creatures come forth into being.
Blessing - Paul.
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Post by ariston on Jan 15, 2008 20:24:41 GMT -5
"Hey, Charlotte Masuda..!!!!!"
Masuda sounds Japanese, it sounds like MAZ-DA as in AHURA-MAZ-DA, The Zoroastrian God o light. or the car. Nice Cars. I like Charlotte, Charle-magne is one of my favourite figures in history. King of The Fran-ks, from whence we get Franc-e. Progenitor of every European Dynasty, I mean Every. I mention him of course, as you know , most of the American Presidents can trace line back to Carolus Rex. Consistency. Charlemagne was the 1st Holy roman emperor. His father Pepin the short was the Merovingian Mayor and I think the chappy who put paid to Dagobert. But then the mayors had common descent, they were all ruling Franks.
This is interesting and relevant. Pre-brown hype, years ago, I was heavily into researching the dynasties and noble houses, I still am. I remember seeing a page that showed the lineage of the Bush family going back the medieval counts of Champagne. This house in itself was descended from Charlemagne. One of the early counts married a grandaughter of Charlemagne.
The House of Champagne has a glorious history that climaxed when one of the later counts married a princess of Navarre and so became king of Navarre.
But this house was also one of the most influential Crusader families, marrying into the kingdom of Jerusalem and The House of France and England. The house of Champagne and Blois , is also the dynasty which fad a singular effect in promoting the Knights Templar. Hugh The count of Champagne, donated the land to BERNHARD, later Clair - vaux, VALLEY OF LIGHT. Clair vaux being in Champagne,as is Chartres cathedral and the city of TROYES.
Hugh The count was the feudal Lord of Hugh De Payens, The 1st Grandmaster, one of the NINE/NONA/NOV, (When Ben Franklin was ambassador to France he was initiated into the 9 sisters lodge) Andre De Montbard, one of the 9 and 3rd grand master was BERNHARD'S uncle.
Hugh De Payen was married to Sinclair, later of Rosslyn fame. Much of this is Known, I just like tyin up the loose ends. Hugh the count , in 1124 abdicated his titles to his brother Theobald, who became count of champs and Blois, Hugh became the 10th Templar, his children are implicated in the passover plot.(another thread).
Affiliations: HUGH the count of Champagne was brother to Stephen, count of Blois and Son in Law to William the Conqueror. Thru married to Adela. He was also a co- leader inb the 1st Crusade, with his brother in law, Robert Curthose, the Duke of Normandy also Robert the II count of Flanders, was Robert of Normandy's cousin thru his mum, Matilda of Flanders. A family business then. That's not the half of it. The permutations are legion. And reminds me of Frank Herberts QUISSACH SADDERACH, in DUNE, The mnipulated genes of aristocracy thru millenia. Consanguinuity played a large part, and Kings were often admonished by the papacy for marrying someone to closely related to them.
Stephen of Blois was King Stephen' father. So he foundation of the Templars Had royal patronage from the very beginning and these individuals could be considered privy to whatever the 9 were doing in The holy land and such.
Theobald of Blois and Champagne became Dual count on account of the Death;s of his brother stephen at the battle of ramleh in1104 and Hugh in1125.
I hope you like medieval genealogy.If not , then I write this for posterity sake and to eject it from my mind by putting to text. For the development of my style as a wannabee scribe then.
Theobald's sons Theobald again and Henry the Count of Champagne married the Daqughters of King Louis the 7th and Eleanor of Aquitaine, Marie and Alice. Marie of Champagne was the patroness of Chretien deb Troyes and his grail romances. Eleanor then divorced Louis over claims of Adultery with her Uncle, whilst in the Holy Land. Raymond of Poitiers was the Brother of William the 1oth Duke of Aquitaine, He later became Lord of Antioch by marrying the daughter of Bohemond the 2nd, constance, he Original Bohemond was aThe eldest disinherited son of a Norman adventurr who earlier conquered Siclily and the Campania, The son Of DeHauteville, actually Whereever the Normans ventured they conquered, they were the Myrmidons of their day. we probably all have a bit of Viking in us, Paul certainly has no doubt. What with Armstrong and all that and before, the foundation of Dublin. Brian Boruma and the Battle of Clontarf.
This Northmen allusion ties in with national treasure, what with octagonal tower on rhode island, Prince Henry sinclair, Baron of Roslin was also the Jarl of viking Orkney.
Eleanor of Aquitaine later married Henry the 2nd, The Conquereors great Grand son, They sired the famous Lionheart, King John and more. Have you ever seen the lion in winter with Katherine Hepburn, Anthony Hopkins and Peter O toole.
Am I being erratic? Well, the princesse alice and mary were therfore half siblings to the king s of England. The Norman/Angevin/early plantagenet war machine was such that if i so desired, it could have conquered Western Europe, But there were the Crusades, not neccesarily a n exercise in militayr might as far as numbers went, but it still cost a fortune.
Princess Alice and Henry of Champagne had a son, they called him Henry again. Henry the 2nd of Champagne,not avery well known character historically,was the grandchild of the king of france,The Queen of England, Half nephew to the Kings Of England and by virtue of descent from the house of Champagne, descended from william the conqueror and indeed had a multitude of line semanating from Charlemagne himself.
Ever seen the Kingom oof Heaven, The Ridley Scot film, It is based largely on truth as scribed by Sir Steve Runciman and Gibbon. Wfat it bfails to tell you is that Princess sibylla, eva green in he film,was Richard the lionhearts cousin. She was Queen of Jerusalem and fer Grandfather was none other than the 11th TEMPLAR, Fulk of Anjou, he married Queen Melisende, the Daughter of Baldwin the 2nd, King of Jerusalem and second ousin to GODFREI DE BOUILLON.
Fulk in first marriage, produced Geoffrey plantagent and Sibylla, sfe married Thiery Count of Flanders, descent from Robert. Geoffrey was Richards Grand father. In the film after the Battle of Hattin 1187. Sibylla and Balien get together, well they do,b ut she married 4 times and fer 3rd husband is none other than Henry the 2nd of Champagne.He becomes the King of Jerusalem in 1190., during the 3rd Crusade, a feat engineered by Richard no doubt, bringing his half nephew and cousin together, you can see him smiling in the background, he was augmenting his alliances against the factions, The Montserrats anf Phillip Augustus The King Of France, who's Mother was ALIX de champagne, Theobalds daughter and aunt to Henry, making Phillip his cousin also. But in that King Louis being Phillips father and HENRY'S grandfather makes phillip, Henry's cousin on one side and fis nuncle on another. A limited gene pool understates this. Henry had 2 daughters with Sybilla , Isabella and Alice.Sadly he was assassinated in 1191, Richard thought it was the Montserrats and Conrad was killed, Being kin to the german holy roman emperor HEINRICH, this did not go down to well and ultimately led to the 4 year imprisonment of Richard, disguised as a Templar.He is usually depicted as a templar, this is a misnomer, fe only wore that as a disguise on his way back fom jerusalem, similarly in Robin nHood films, whn he tuns up at the end, in his glory,as a crusader king, for a start he did not speak english and fe was hardly in england, He died in France is buied there.
This was relevant, in an indirect way.
Everything we have covered is by far, in this you will agree wih me, ...Beyond The Pale.
Kind Regards and mucho respecto
Latona
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