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Post by Fred L on May 29, 2015 13:52:47 GMT -5
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Post by Charlotte on May 30, 2015 9:28:26 GMT -5
Reading the article and listening for a minute struck me like watching the "History Channel", pardon me. At times, over the years, I also watched programs of the Bible explained by Priests, Rabbins and Bible Scholars to what they had to say, their interpretations leaving me shaking my head. Not that I know much, but that I understand these things differently, perhaps a "Soul response". Just like hieroglyphs and ancient texts, I only want to read the text, not the interpretation of 98% of archaeologists, historians, and researchers, so I can form my own "theory". Actually, not a theory, but an understanding according to my nature, as it is.
The Ark has measure
"Have them make an Ark of acacia wood - two and a half cubit long, a cubit and a half wide, and a cubit and a half high. Overlay it with pure gold, both inside and out, and make a gold molding around it...Then put in the ark the tablets of the covenant law, which I will give to you."
Were I versed in mathematics I would understand. I'm not but understand it after another manner.
"The Ark was last seen in 586 BCE when the Babylonians conquered Jerusalem and destroyed the First Temple. What happened to the Ark remains unknown until today."
Who saw it?
"Based on historical, archaeological, topographical and biblical evidence, the Moskoff Theory states (in simple terms) that when we find the true location of the Holy of Holies, the Ark of the Covenant may very well be found in a secret chamber, in a room built by Solomon, who foresaw the destruction of the Temple."
Solomon asked only for Wisdom and there is only one true and living Temple, the Kingdom within.
Moskoff: "I found in one theory that some things just didn't make sense with the original topography of the mountain. It didn't jive," he said. So I went to another famous theory and found things didn't make sense from a scriptural perspective."
Seems to me that looking for the Ark by combining all theories and sources leads to yet another theory according to re-interpreting all other theories, or as Moskoff states, "they all cancelled each other out." Theories require thinking things together, perhaps the Ark is in the Realm beyond thought.
The game changer for Mr. Moskoff was reading an book "by the great Israeli archaeologist Meir Ben-Dov".
"In his book, Ben-Dov recalls the discovery of a tunnel spoken about in Jewish scripture that was used by ritually impure priests. The tunnel is said to run directly under the Temple Mount.
"The tunnel ran to the south under the Mount into a ritual bath with a fire and a bathroom. This place is described in the Talmud. He (Ben-Dov) found that tunnel and it exists today, described in the exact same way," Moskoff said.
"This tunnel was blocked up 150 years ago and it is clear that the original finders wanted it to remain closed. Over 2,000 years old, the tunnel exists in complete form. If we go through that tunnel it would lead us to the exact location of the Temple because we know from scripture where it surfaced."
Don't understand the Temple "surfaced", but think the tunnel spoken about in Jewish scripture leading to a ritual bath with fire and a bathroom, and that the original finders wanted it to remain closed, is significant. I would think enough time has passed to excavate a way through the tunnel existing in complete form to the ritual bath.
"The most important archaeological find in thousands of years may be at hand. The last people who walked down a tunnel in Jerusalem when the Ark of the Covenant is believed to have been hidden for 0ver 2,000 years felt the ground trembling as they walked toward a golden glimmer".
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Post by Fred L on May 30, 2015 11:45:34 GMT -5
Well I did think a while before posting this in the conspiracy section I am sure Don has looked in depth at this before,especially as at one time it was deemed to be located at Rennes-le-Château. I facebook messaged rabbi moskoff asking him if Satellite /Space Archaeology using high resolution satellites with thermal and infrared capabilities might help re pinpoint the tunnel & rooms adjacent & will post back when I get a reply
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Post by Charlotte on May 31, 2015 8:39:43 GMT -5
"The tunnel ran to the south under the Mount into a ritual bath with a fire and a bathroom. This place is described in the Talmud. He (Ben-Dov) found that tunnel and it exists today, described in the exact same way," Moskoff said."
This would suggest that the location of the tunnel is known. In the video a tunnel is shown and stated is that a Priest found the entrance to the tunnel, but before he could share his discovery he was consumed by a holy fire which burst forth from the floor. Perhaps this was told by a Jewish Mystic. The tunnel to the room known as the Holy of Holies may have been constructed to give our form-bound mind "a location" on terra firma for the Ark. In the video, Moskoff and other Rabbins explain the quest for the Ark albeit with overtones of the current state of affairs in Jerusalem, and the greater historical picture according to their understanding of being "The Chosen People". Important to me is the ritual bath with fire, and the Priest whos was consumed by fire before he could share his discovery.
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Post by Fred L on May 31, 2015 19:13:28 GMT -5
Well I was slightly taken aback by his reply...below Fred Lundberg Great interview!..could Satellite /Space Archaeology using high resolution satellites with thermal and infrared capabilities help re pinpoint the tunnel & rooms adjacent?
Like · Reply · 1 · 29 May at 20:11 .. Hirschel Harry Moskoff perhaps. we do have subsurface mapping technology available as well. the other technique might be to use a powerful electromagnetic or electrostatic sensor/monitor
Why was I taken aback?.....im not sure but I think I just felt a lack of his usually portrayed get up & go with this...it left me saddened that he might feel shackled by the authorities.
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Post by Charlotte on Jun 1, 2015 8:58:59 GMT -5
Haven't had time yesterday to watch the entire vid, but did hear about the problem with the authorities. Will watch a bit more now for the learning. It seems to be certain that the Ark has tremendous energy/power, and equal importance to many Peoples because of the unceasing search for it, akin to the Holy Grail.
"Merely for touching the Covenant Box to prevent it from falling to the ground, Uzzah was struck dead by God", St. Andrew of Crete, who also advises "showing true honour to holy things". Agreeing with the account of the Priest being consumed by holy fire upon finding the entrance to the tunnel.
"The Ark was last seen in 586 BCE when the Babylonians conquered Jerusalem and destroyed the First Temple", suggests that the Ark was in the Temple. So I ask again: WHO saw the Ark? Surely, the seer or finder has a name, then again, I know very little about what is written about the Ark by "Historians, Archaeologists and Researchers", who, judging by interpretations of other Mysteries, do so by the dead letter of the word. Letters are "tombstones", according to Mr. Hall, one has to remove them and dig.
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Post by Fred L on Jun 1, 2015 18:07:27 GMT -5
I conveyed my best wishes & hopes then asked that if any of the above scans came up with conclusive data if he thinks the authorities position might change but he said no..sadly there will be no digging whatever can be shown
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Post by Charlotte on Jun 2, 2015 9:01:20 GMT -5
Just as well.
"Plated with pure gold and mounted on two golden Cherubim, the Ark was carried by the Levites as the Jewish nation wandered in the desert for 40 years. Playing a significant role in various Bible accounts, the Ark is described as having supernatural powers."
How could the Ark have been carried for 40 years in the desert when by all accounts anyone near finding it, or touching it was killed, as in examples given.
"Eventually, the Ark came to rest in the First Temple, which was built by Solomon. The Ark was placed in a special inner room known as the Holy of Holies, where the High Priest would enter once a year on Yom Kippur."
By whom was it placed in the special inner room when no one could get near it, or touch it.
"The Ark was last seen in 586 BCE..."
How could anyone come so near as to see it and live.
"What happened to the Ark remains unknown until this day."
How can it be that Rabbins and Scholars presume the Ark to be a material object? It is overlaid with pure gold, both inside and out with a golden molding around it, precious, inside it "the tablets of the covenant law" which God gave to Moses to lead Humanity to the Promised Land. Anyhow, this is how I understand it belonging in the mystical realm.
P.S. Just read a few comments, apparently I'm not alone in my understanding, someone wrote: the Ark of the Covenant is in Heaven.
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Post by Charlotte on Jun 3, 2015 8:32:12 GMT -5
I wonder why it is so secretive.
Although simplistically expressed, to say that the Ark is in Heaven can mean that God made a Covenant with Humanity. T say that apparently I'm not the only one in my understanding is a also simplistically expressed because I read much Philosophy.
There were political overtones even in the first article, Huckabee, whom I would not count among my friends, "stands behind the guy who says the CIA conceals the Ark", so the Conspiracy Forum was a good choice, pardon me. Read that to access the important information of Rabbi Moskoff's theory, one would have to read the Book, and other such familiar language encouraging to buy books. Had no idea how much is online about Huckabee and the Ark, viz., "does Huckabee know where the Ark is?" So much ado about nothing, no wonder we are so confused.
"When the Ark is revealed, as it will be in time, the world will know that God is real, and that the Land of Israel was given as an inheritance to the Jews." Then, the Ark will be able to fulfill its purpose, "to ultimately reveal the absolute unity of God in the world."
Noting that Rabbi Moskoff uses the word "revealed" rather than found, and speaking collectively here of "the world" is informative, the "Third Temple" may be built for all Humanity. To my mind, it is the consensus of "The Land of Israel", and "The Children of Israel", which is a stumbling block. A few comments I read cite Jeremiah 3:16.
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Post by Charlotte on Jun 5, 2015 8:30:53 GMT -5
To clarify, I meant the accepted understanding of what "The Land of Israel" is and who "The Children of Israel" are. I learned the former to be our Earth, the Later Humanity.
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Post by Fred L on Jun 9, 2015 15:00:05 GMT -5
I perceived rightly or wrongly that he blamed the lack of digging permission on concerns that any revealing might prove Israel to be the Jews inheritance. If so then so much for its purpose of absolute unity of God in the world.
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Post by Charlotte on Jun 10, 2015 8:45:20 GMT -5
Glad I didn't offend you with my take apropos the Ark, Children of Israel and the Jews. I don't know, or haven't paid attention to who the authority is which denies digging, neither can I grasp how revealing the Ark would prove Israel the inheritance of the Jews, and if so, finding or revealing the Ark would show or prove that its purpose is the absolute unity of God in the world. Unity of God with the world is speaking collectively.
Had to think on the last sentence and can agree, philosophically and religiously speaking, owing that Jerusalem has 4 quarters, at times called "the Heart of the World", even as our heart has 4 chambers. Jewish, Muslim, Armenian, and Christian, shalom or salam means Peace "be with you", "my peace I give onto you", unity with God.
I doubt not that learned Rabbins know the secret of the Ark, what irritates me is it being brought down to commercialism and political overtones. Huckabee? Standing behind the notion that the CIA conceals the Ark goes to show what Huckabee knows, unless there are initiates within this body. And then there is Palestine and the ancient animosity between Jews and Muslims. It is reasonable to thing that when all differences and fighting in the world is over we will know the purpose of the Ark, the Covenant of God made with the Children of Israel, all of Humanity. Peace.
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Post by Charlotte on Jun 27, 2015 7:54:24 GMT -5
Come to think of it, the Ark of the Covenant, guarded by two Seraphim, is of Gold, contains the Ten Commandments, a jar of Mana, and Aaron's Staff which can become a Serpent.
Be ye wise as Serpents And harmless as Doves.
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