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Post by Don Barone on Apr 23, 2009 8:42:59 GMT -5
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Post by Charlotte on Apr 23, 2009 18:46:27 GMT -5
Hi Don,
You say you burnt yourself out looking for the Holy Grail for 10 years. Why do you want to burn out what brain cells you have left to come to "any conclusion that might work"? Something like Don Barone's "logical" interpretation of Genesis. It is an endless wild goose chase on the ground, missing the Swan.
What if you exite all the neurons in your head and suffer a second explosion and have nothing left to think about it with. Not bad, actually, you could sit like that man under a tree, minus the books, relax, and watch the grass grow.
One of my Philosophy classes lasted 2 years, 1 year in, and 1 year out. (Hänsel and Gretel didn't loose, they marked their way to find back, and shoved the old Hag in the oven.) We were asked to refrain from asking questions during the time, but when a student interrupted the lecture with a question, distracting everyone's mind to guess at an answer, the Teacher asked John to shut off the recorder, read, or not, in his book until everyone stopped looking around, clearing their throat or shuffling their feet, until there was dead silence and we held our breath because we knew his sharp tongue. He then looked up and directly at the offender, and said:
"When your need to know is greater than your capacity to understand, be quiet, and simply take part in the process. If you can't, or are in a hurry to get to Taco Bell, there is the door." He then smiled and said: "All you really have to do is show up."
Galahad didn't look for the Holy Grail, it appeared to him because he was the purest of Knights. Meanwhile, I'll make room for you next to me, in another seat perilous at the Round Table at King Arthur's Court, and for the time being we can sit and learn. Didn't you say something like the nickel drops by itself?
Love
Charlotte
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Post by Don Barone on Apr 23, 2009 19:40:21 GMT -5
Yes you are probably right Charlotte but how do you go about stopping a dog from chasing it's tail? Even cutting it off won't do it. Meanwhile when and where is the next meeting of King Arthur's Court? I will definitely be there! And you continually ask me to turn it off and take a rest ... well how does one turn one's brain off in Dreamland? For even there the vibrations enter. And it may seem hopeless but Alice DID eventually find the correct door to get out or was that in? And all that is standing in the way to return is according to Genesis: "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." And the flaming sword which turns every which way is of course the zillions of possible answers to the riddle and how to get back into Eden. Forgive me if I think I can stop it from turning. Would it be any easier if it were stuck into a rock?  Seems to me that particular feat was accomplished! Why not this one then ? Cheers Don Barone |
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Post by Charlotte on Apr 24, 2009 8:37:36 GMT -5
Take a baseball bat and hit the dog over the head, that will turn the brain off too, or, ask your doctor for some valiums.
Like Alice, everyone finds the right door eventually, the problem is how you go about it, i.,e, you run from door to door, open it a few inches, look in, naa that's not it, run to the next, do the same, then start all over, as you did again here with the flaming sword. Go into one room, shut the door, get on your knees and pray: dear God, I don't know anything....and stay there in the dark for awhile, or, go to Carol in the lake and ask her to hand you the sword.
King Arthur's Court is always in session, he pulled the sword out of the stone when he was boy, and during his battles he kept looking to Merlin for guidance, a wondrous and magical quality within yourself. Philosophy begins with wonder, so give up your stub-borness and your need to know what you can't know by forcing the issue.
Watch Jerry Brookheimer's "King Arthur", and look closely at the symbol on the Standard he holds sitting on his horse, alone on the hill, unyielding to Rome and his enemies, as he fights "for a cause beyond Rome and your understanding". Yet.
With due respect
Love
Charlotte
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Post by Don Barone on Apr 25, 2009 18:58:10 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte: The dog is dead. Beaten to a pulp by a Louisville Slugger I had in the basement. But just before the third and probably fatal blow I saw a wisp of something leave the animal and drift toward one of my cats and now the cat is chasing it's tail. Do you think there is a connection? Meanwhile I am at this moment downloading the movie ... King Arthur and no disrespect could ever be taken with anything you said .... However ... To be or not to be ... that is the question ... And your man wrote it and also said the whole world is a stage and we are but actors. Are you suggesting he might have been wrong ? And what of Harlan Ellison and that boy and his dog ... fr.truveo.com/A-Boy-and-His-Dog-1975/id/3910291213Perhaps beating it to a pulp was not quite the right answer. Best Don Barone |
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Post by Charlotte on Apr 26, 2009 8:00:03 GMT -5
So to speak, I meant knock him out temporarily for to rest. A truth is that dogs are men's best friend, below accompanying the Fool, and if he steps over the edge, the dog will yelp, look down, then find a safe way down and comfort his friend until he has recovered. Above it is Anubis who guides the soul home to his star.
I just watched the beginning of the video, again the man's best friend.
Cat's are best friends too, at least mine were, but they're of a different nature, but both respond to their owner as they are treated, also an observeable truth.
Francis is never wrong, he didn't say "be that or the other" for us to constantly define what cubicle we belong in, it is an open question. True, we all are actors in that everybody wears a mask when facing the mundane world, or even with our best friends. It is the rarest of all rareties to meet someone who allows us "to be" totally ourselves as they are totally themselves, whatever that may entail.
I'm glad you are finally joyning me in knowing nothing, every day a clean slate to begin again, Mr. Hall's "challenge of forever becoming", or "the hallmark of an earnest student of Philosophy", according to my pricipal Philosophy Teacher, who also said the most boring thing is when somebody constantly quotes somebody else, like I do.
Love
Charlotte
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Post by Don Barone on Apr 26, 2009 8:56:39 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte ... I have to tell you what I wrote about the dog is not true ... he lives yet  And speaking of cats ... now that you have brought it up I offer into evidence but two images for your inspection and comments ...  and I guess I probably don't have to tell you that the patriarch of our 4 cat family is a Tabby Cat named Tigger And yes we are all waiting ....   And let David Cheepen take you along to his world ... www.davidcheepen.co.uk/ He also wrote the poem and drew the image on this website of mine ... donbarone.selfip.net/SPHINX_HOMECOMING.htmAnd Charlotte the day I stop asking the why of it will be the day of my death. I will not and can not sit around waiting for it to hit me on the head as Newton did. I am a bit more proactive than that. Some may call it a fool's errand and who knows perhaps that is me in The Fool card of The Tarot Deck. The "gods" initiated the mind explosion and I shall let it lead me to wherever. If I am meant to rest then it will turn off on it's own accord, as part of the overall scheme of things. cheers Don Barone |
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Post by Charlotte on Apr 27, 2009 7:53:25 GMT -5
I know the dog lives yet.
I like the Wizard of Oz, and those space ships are ever intriguing, as well as the Crop Circles, especially.
I will visit David Cheepen's site, time wise, love the poem. You remember the Sphinx saying to the slumbering Thothmos IV, that it rests on a Holy Place, that the sands are oppressing its limbs, and if he removes the sand he will be given the greatest of Kingdoms. There are many now who remove the sands of time.
Newton didn't sit still doing nothing, he studied diligently with other great minds until the apple droped on its own. Always the same message, and yet another quote from my Philosophy Teacher: "When you stir up too much dust you obscure what you're looking at." The mind which moves matter as in Zen, is the "Interference Pattern" of QM, and the "slayer of the Real" in Krishna's words. So what is one to do, to think or not to think?
Charlotte
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Post by Don Barone on Apr 27, 2009 11:41:16 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte ... Not to leave too big a clue ... but what specifically is missing from the first image? There in I think, could lie one possible answer. I get the feeling there are a zillion possible endings and perhaps we get to choose the ending we want. How utterly democratic is that. We get to pick exactly how we live and possibly "die". I guess that's fair.  cheers Don Barone |
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Post by Don Barone on Apr 27, 2009 11:51:48 GMT -5
.... and Arthur urges his Knights to a greater glory called "Freedom"
I am sure you feel "Freedom" is simply a meteaphor for something else. Or is what we are gaining freedom from which is the point of this movie. If Rome is tyranny and slavery then is this freedom they talk about freedom of the soul? And is his betrothed simply "truth" as usual?
Sorry Charlotte but I really not sure of anything these days.
Meanwhile the prize for Wednesday's Lottery here in Ontario is 32 Million. Do me a favour and find a star and wish on it for me, that I should win.
Cheers
Don Barone
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Post by Charlotte on Apr 28, 2009 7:51:05 GMT -5
Hi don, If you won the lottery send a few mill's Did you say "a chatroom?" The Java software must cause that annoying hickup every time I click. There are but 3 people who post here at different times. Chatroom's are for people who spend lots of time online, which I, for one, do not have. I like it here because we can more or less concentrate on a few subjects instead of opening the famous 1000 doors to have something to chat about. I remember the time I wasted, mostly, at Ma'at in tautological discourse, getting nowhere. I thinks penetration of one or two subjects is better so the apple can drop, which it never does chatting, besides we can chat here all we want already. I was wondering what happened to Toto and the cowardly Lion in the first image. Did they get beamed into the spaceship? I don't know what you mean by a possible answer, and to what? And I think therre are as many endings as there are people musing about the wizard. We get to pick how we live already, but having to deal with, and consider the world around us every step of the way in the mundane world. The famous boat. The logo of our site is "As Above...So Below". So is King Arthurs journey to Freedom, in the outer and inner world. I don't think Freedom is a metaphore for something else, or what we gain from freedom. As PaulMc pointed many times to the futile gain and loss thinking, the thief and murderer crucified with Jesus. The Betrothed of Arthur is also understood above and below, as a man, and his Kingdom not of this World, and all these two entail. Have you noticed the emblem on his Standard? The message of the film? You don't mention it. "What is Truth?" Hopefully it will meet us around the corner on some sunny day. As far as you're not being able to sit still, relax, you're not going anywhere without the rest of us, even this Human-Life-Wave to which we are all bound in this day of Brahma. Partaking of the process makes sense to me, and you know what happens to you when you think you found the "Truth" and will share it soon with all of us. The superior man acts and then speaks according to his actions, not the other way around. Is all I know in my guessing Charlotte |
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Post by Don Barone on Apr 28, 2009 18:42:49 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte ... Consider that a given! Well ... perhaps not beamed up but maybe the crew? No I could not tell what it was and I think I missed the point of the movie as I sometimes do ... I find that comforting ... as things in this insane world begin to warm up ... Acts by doing what Charlotte ? cheers Don Barone |
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Post by Charlotte on Apr 29, 2009 7:19:06 GMT -5
Hi Don,
You mean Toto and the Lion are members of the crew of the spaceship? I don't know what you mean to convey, and by a possible answer to what? Maybe you could simply state what you think is communicated by the picture.
If you view "King Arthur" again, consider the myth alongside the historical accounts. The symbol on his Standard is a bird, you can zoom in.
Speaking according to one's, any actions, means not saying, "I will do or accomplish this or the other tomorrow, or I will carve a staff from a piece of wood I found", but doing it and then speaking about it. All of us say lightly, "I'll do it tomorrow or next week etc., but unless we have done it we cannot talk about in earnest.
Charlotte
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Seems to me that particular feat was accomplished! Why not this one then ?
