The Secret of the Universe

[PMacG]

Hi Charlotte.

I see the discussion of finding the clear awareness of the inner eye has still been ongoing. It is difficult to overcome the thinking process or the serpent who speaks of the madness viewed as a personal thing "Me' and 'Mine', whereas it is born of our universal creative nature. The madness is not therefore ours, and it is the point of practice to be firstly very kind to all arising activity within - this is the hardest part as the ego always seeks perfection of the illusionary 'Self'. It's good to a a 'Not-Body'. I read renwdimgink has the idea.

I hope all has been going well for you, it rained in CA so Lilly tells me from her talk to Miley C. Lilly gets to talk to lots of people these days whereas I don't get to talk to many at all. But maybe that will change now as I'm feeling back to health - though I cannot get to the point where my household duties can be neglected, which did happen before.

My Kindest regards - Paul.

[renwdimgink]

This weekend I was shown the latest technological marvel of the telecommunications industry; the long awaited video phone: a mechanical device which allows people to see and hear and communicate with each other at a distance. It's a miracle!
And yet St. Spyridon, St. Nicholas, St. Stephen of Perm, St. Sergius of Radonezh, St. Xenia, and all of the many, many clairvoyant wonder workers whom the church remembers and recognizes were able to see, hear, and communicate over a distance without the assistance of any mechanical devices merely by using their own purified and illumined consciousness.
Perhaps our modern technology is not so much a sign of mastery as it is of a terrible powerlessness and the loss of our own natural abilities, (Which technology tends to mimic and be a caricature of.)
Crutches can be a helpful tool for someone who has broken their legs however, it seems to me to be the height of folly to prefer the crutches over the use of our own legs and to build better and better crutches rather than to do the therapy prescribed by our doctors which would give us back the use of our own legs.
As far as I'm concerned the "video phone" is a pair of crutches for our own broken consciousness. It’s up to us how we look at the crutches, as a temporary form of assistance while we do the therapy, which enables us to get back the use of our own legs or something better than having our own legs the choice is ours! (If we are given a choice that is... and in our present culture?)

[Charlotte]

This must be a newer and improved version of the video phone. About a year ago, during the Iraq war, and broadcasting from other places, reporters used the device though image and voice was somewhat distorted.

The positive, crutches as a temporary form of assistance is, that people can communicate the world over until the collective mind of Humanity has reached the critical point to once more accept that telepathic communication is not some notion of across the board gullible New Agers picked up from the diluted and superstitious Philosophers, and Mystics to which Saints belong, as they are described by those who haven't a clue. Science, the anticeptic sceptics, and organized religions have convinced the many: it is unscientific, it is laughable, all you need is Jesus. And so people don't believe that when they pick up the phone to call somebody and that somebody is 'on the line' without the phone ever ringing, a telepathic communication was involved.

The Rosicrucian writer Wishar S. Cervé, in his book "LEMURIA", subtitled "The Lost Continent Of The Pacific", and please pardon me but I must say "dedicated to the memory and everlasting greatness of character - of Sir Francis Bacon - that brilliant mind and soul" who "made the first researches into the history of Atlantis and Lemuria", states:

"We may find, for instance, that the method which the Lemurians had for communicating to great distances was a higher phase of scientific achievement than our present day radio, for I have already explained to you that the Lemurians were capable of mental communications, regardless of distance, through the effort of a faculty which we have dubbed "mental telepathy." This would indicate that whereas we have placed our faith in the forces of nature, such as electricity, and have created machinery for the transmission of this energy from one distant place to another, the Lemurians proceeded along much higher lines and developed a faculty within their own beings for the transmission of an energy more refined and higher in its vibrations than the crude electrical energy we use. Their means for distant communications was not surrounded by cumbersome equipment and by interferences from electrical storms and by rules and regulations and by finances."

This is updated now. The terrible powerlessness and loss of our natural ability, which technology tends to mimic and be a caricature of, is a perfect example as above so below.

It's sad indeed that people are made to feel worth and importance by walking about text messaging endlessly and a phone in their ear talking ceaslessly as if unable to stop, even if it is in the supermarket asking what kind of shampoo they should bring home, or "i'm at the gas station now".

The garbage the world is floating on has overwhelmed people, and I see no remedy other than a mental quake of 10, or 1000 years of education regarding this natural ability we have, which stifles all of us when the receiver of a thought negates it at once, as that thought then is prevented from benefitting another.

The monkeys are better at telepathic communications because they ignore the noise. So do I.

Charlotte

[renwdimgink]

The "christians" have forgotten that Jesus came not only to "save" us, but to be an example of how each of us was originally Intended to be. We were created in the Image and Likeness of God,created to be "Like" God, as far as possible,(Which is purty dang far in my book!)

The salvation that Jesus came to give us is nothing more than a cure for the state of amnesia that we have all been suffering from.

Any traditional spiritual path,if applied, will help us to remember who and what we already are, but have simply forgotten.

[renwdimgink]

The spiritual life has a goal. It is trying to accomplish something in us. Once we understand the goal then we can understands the MEANS for accomplishing our goals which are prescribed for us by our various spiritual traditions.

The goal is quite simple:To restore us entirely to our original blessed state of oneness with God and all of creation, whereby we regain our "Likeness" to God which we have lost. How and why do we regain our "Likeness" to God? Because our inner state creates our outer environment.

Jesus says:"Seek ye FIRST the Kingdom of God and all else shall be added unto you." And:"The Kingdom of Heaven is within you," Already. The "Kingdom of Heaven" is a state of mind, a state of being which automatically creates a Heavenly "place" for us.

The goal is not to become something we aren't yet, or to gain something we haven't got yet, but simply to REMEMBER our own true nature. (Which makes it all so much easier to actually accomplish!)

So, once we recognize the goal, we can then APPLY the principles prescribed for us and, IF WE DO SO, they will work!

[Charlotte]

The Christians don't think too much when they read the Bible, can't because so much of what is writ is beyond understanding. I grew up a Catholic, didn't know what that meant, let alone what was taught to us, therefore I could never believe any of it. In fact, even as a child I ignored all the noise they made, lived my inner Life, but did as I was told so they left me alone.

Can one believe, and more importantly, accept, truly and in one's heart, what one doesn't understand ? Nothing they said ever rang a bell, 'a rememberance', an inkling=inner sound in German.

I don't believe in an historical Jesus, but a spiritual incarnation of a divine mind, for lack of a better term, to, yes, show the way to the life to the truth of who we are. The Pope with his 'fish' hat and staff is as the moving image of Hermes, the Mind Divine. The Pope lives daily with Raphael's "School of Athens" in his private quarters, but does he, or "they" ever point it out to their flock, much less explain who is pointing to heaven?

I agree that we are made in the image of God as a Creator can only create what he is made of, and he is made of everything and all attributes and faculties, hence "ye are gods". This I can understand by the fact that I can only create a post of what I am made of now by virtue of learning to bring about an 'aha', i knew this all the time=remembering.

What is seeking the Kingdom of God, the Heaven within, which you call "a state of mind", and I agree, but "Know Thyself", echoing from the Temple of Apollo and across the ages, and as far as I can tell by "remembering myself", a thing one should do habitually according to Gurdjieff, though I forget many times due to other concerns, I do re-member myself as often as I think about these things, and when I am alone I thing about all the time.

So, I do seek the Kingdom of Heaven, that state of mind of being wholly conscious of all things and knowing the meaning of all things above and below which art in that Heaven.

Charlotte

[renwdimgink]

Could there possibly be a genuine baby amongst all that bath water? Me thinks so... We really all are telepathic whether we realize it or not. To find out if Jesus actually exists or not, all one need do is make the experiment and direct one's telepathic abilities towards Him and there will be no doubt as to His existence.

As far as the Roman catholic church is concerned, they began stepping away from the truth of Christianity in 800 ad and made it official in 1065 so I don't expect much from them. Then the protestants wanted to reform the church but unfortunately didn't think to reconnect with the original Church that the Romans stepped away from in the first place, which, nevertheless, continued to exist...

Setting all that aside for a moment... There is an excellent little book entitled," Memories and visions of Paradise," which compares the similar beliefs of many different traditional spiritual paths about a lost golden age and a restoration and fulfillment of all things yet to come.

If Christianity doesn't make sense to someone, there are plenty of other means at arriving at the same destination. The trick is to pick ONE of them and make use of the WHOLE package as offered.

I prefer Christianity because of my own personal experience with it, but by no means am I a chauvinist about it.

[Charlotte]

I replied to your post but it flew out of the window, sorry.

Charlotte

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[Charlotte]

Mar 29, 2009 1:56:48 GMT -5 renwdimgink said:

Fitting pictures to wise and moving lyrics, but I cry easy.

As to throwing out a genuine baby with the bath water, I did, but began my quest concerning religious mysteries on a clean slate, and later yet again from square one, happened, or better, was led to the Philosophers and teachers who spoke my language, that is to say, taught in a manner that rang bell's in unisome=remembering.

Exoterically and esoterically they instructed us in the four dominent religious systems silmultaneously, shewing the "arrival at the same destination", and found the genuine baby. The story of the Christ Child being born in a manger attended by gentle animals, his family fleeing to Egypt, his being raised, words and actions, his agonizing stations to his crucifixion, resurrection and glorious transfiguration, his predetermined mission. In the human skull=Golgotha, so termed by the medical profession to this day, the manger is the 3rd ventricle of the brain between the petuitary and pineal gland, the latter being the seat of the soul of Philosophers, or all seeing eye, whence flows the elixir for regeneration. "When thine eye is single thine whole body is filled with Light" I.N.R.I. I doubt very much I am telling you something you don't know, just how I think to understand.

In the former golden age, when gods walked the earth and instructed humaity, the Egyptians affirm, the pineal gland, together with other senses, was the agent for telepathic communication for all in varying power, obviously more so by those you call wonderworkers. Even though no atrophied, the gland can be excited by ardent desire to among other things, achieve such communication, but there is much interference from the mind/thoughts hard to give a rest.

"To find out if Jesus actually exists, direct your telepathic abilitiestoward Him and there will be no doubt as to His existence." You speak in the present tense as described above, maybe, I spoke of the story as taught by the church in the dead letter of the word. I actually saw Jesus once in a dream, but dismissed it as a reflection of his most popular image, besides, he curced those that worshiped his image.

Gods become men and men become gods. I have no doubt because evident, that such an annointed child is born in and for times of great transition, as in the Bible Jesus tells one of the Apostles, I think, to go in the street and follow a man with a water pitcher to a house with a room upstairs, the Zodiac, and the Aquarian Age is upon us, after himself, the fish.

The Egyptians show clearly the Ram and Taurus ages, deified Kings, foremost another carpenter, "The Great Seer" Imhotep, "sculptor and maker of stone vases", one who is "near" the head of the King, Chancelor of the King of Lower Egypt, First after the King of Upper Egypt, High Priest of Helopolis, Healer" and naturally a "Poet", and it has been pointed out many times that Jesus is the stone the Builders rejected, the Cap Stone of the Great Pyramid.

I suppose that makes me a Christian, but I would never admitted to people I know, lest they want to take me to their church.


Good clip "The Power of Thought", must have been made by someone familier with your Intend comes into being instantaneously.


The journey 'to' the center of the mind is not a pleasure, but the most perilous journey there is. All demons have to faced, terrible even for those who have not many, horrifying for those who have more. I guess that is why they say "if you dare".

For it's a land unknown to man
Where fantasy is fact

Fact only if the phenomenal Universe is "Fantasia", an illusion as the mystics assert, nevertheless the Center is

Beyond the seas of thought
Beyond the realm of what
Across the streams of hopes and dreams
Where things are really not.

But even the Immortals come back where things are.

I like the more poetic cosmos of Jefferson Starship

Have you seen the stars tonight
Would you like to look at them with me,
Have you seen the stars tonight
Would you like to go up on a stoll and keep me comany?
Do you know
We could go,
Any place we can think of we can be....

All this would confirm that thinking is the best way to travel

Charlotte

[renwdimgink]

Yes indeed. The power of thought. The secret of the universe right there in a kiddy cartoon.

Although very eclectic in my tastes and beliefs, I, personally, have been an Orthodox Christian for the past twenty years or so and anything I might have to say about Christianity is from that context.

The Orthodox Church is historically, the first Church, formed by the Apostles and their direct descendants in an unbroken lineage until today. Unlike the Roman church,which stepped away from Orthodoxy and the nearly 3000 protestant and other denominations which subsequently broke away from Rome, the Orthodox Church has preserved and handed down it's original beliefs and practices, unchanged.

These beliefs and practices are concerned with one thing and one thing only, a process of Purification, Illumination, and Deification, which takes the entirely unique individual believer who practices it, Purifies, heals, fills with light and renders them God-like. The Church has two thousands years worth of Sanctified men and women whose lives bear witness to this way of life. I highly recommend it, but try not to "push" it on any one. Those who I do speak to about it I tell the same thing that I tell my own children: "I'm not telling you that you HAVE to believe what the Church teaches about Christianity, all I'm asking is that you consider for a moment what it would mean IF it were true? What would the implications be in our own lives if that were the case? And see if you don't have your OWN experience of these things."

This process of Purification/Illumination?Deification is what allows us to make that" journey to the center of the mind" and to come out the other side free from the influence of the "Monsters from the ID" which were the downfall of the poor Krell and to begin our lives as the clairvoyant wonder-workers we have always been meant to be who, whatever they INTEND comes into being INSTANTANEOUSLY in complete balance and harmony with ALL-THAT-IS.

Are we seeing a common theme here? I'm not surprised. It's been like this for me since I was 14 yrs old...

[Charlotte]

Thank you for beautiful and familiar songs this morning, I have journed through the Universe of infinate beauty and love with the Moody Blues.

I sometimes surf into cartoons and am pleasantly surprised what I see and hear, children watching, parents bussy.

I actually like churches, but not the sermons and many people present, visit them mostly on vacation. I have always known that a True Teaching is preserved, and the Church you describe sounds very much like such a place where they are guarded.

I think every single human being is in search to the Center of their Mind, first knowing that it exists, but then getting there is another story, so to speak.

Thank you again

Charlotte

[renwdimgink]

Here are some pictures of an Orthodox monastery I have been visiting for over 20 years.

evlogeite.com/photos/thumbnails.php?album=1

My God-Father is the Abbot. It's very nice there.

[renwdimgink]

And so,Orthodoxy is the path I was led to which has worked very well for me. However,it may not be everyone's cup of tea. I have been known to recommend that out of all the spiritual paths that are out there, an individual should choose one and follow it.

It's always nice to have a good philosophy of life to believe in, but in order to actually ACCOMPLISH the aim of our spiritual life we need a PRACTICE as well as a philosophy.

Let's not forget, the thread in this forum which we are pursuing is "Countdown to Armageddon."

Whether that turns out to be 2012, The end of the world, The second coming of Christ, or simply the end of our own life, sooner or later we WILL be ushered into another kind of reality than this one and it behooves us to be ready for that eventuality

When people ask me if I am,"waiting for the end of the world," I tell them," No. I'm not waiting for it. I'm running towards it!"

[Charlotte]

A chosen place in Nature for such an unusual Monastery, I can see why you would visit there, and I think you are very fortunate to have the Abbot as God-Father, pardon me.

The church itself is beautiful in its architecture and golden steeples. Fr. Seraphim maybe its founder, as is the customary term, his cell under a tree, his grave and the cross also atypical.

The interior, and Partiarchs depicted remind me of the old Coptic Church in Cairo. I tried twice to log in to read more, but failed.

I have not followed any spiritual path, perhaps because none spoke profound enough to my soul and heart to hold me, but pretty much practice do unto others, it's not saying much but enough to live with myself until I can make the next step.

Charlotte

[renwdimgink]

Here is a web site about another monastery in Arizona where my daughter has been going to school. There is a very good article on Orthodoxy on there which you might enjoy,(at the link entitled: Excellent article)

www.stpaisiusmonastery.org/monastery.htm

Also, they have a book for sale at their bookstore which I highly recommend, "The spiritual life and how to be attuned to it" by St. Theophan the recluse

Have to bring my son to college. Talk with you later.

Bye for now!

[renwdimgink]

I'm back. Just re-read that article on St.Paisius's web site. It really is excellent and points out many of the reasons why I love Orthodoxy.

I can understand your difficulty in finding ,"A path with heart." Perhaps these really are the end times. Everything has been so corrupted. Even Orthodoxy from it's exposure to the modern world has suffered. This is why my wife and I love the monasteries in particular. There, they have gone out of their way to preserve and hand down the unadulterated truth. There,lay people, even if they have no intention of becoming monastics, can go to be refreshed and to receive spiritual guidance which they can bring with them back into their Parrish communities. (Which is what we do here where we live.)

In choosing a spiritual path, it is helpful to go back to the earliest sources and try to find an unbroken lineage from those sources,( which, again, is difficult to find in our day and age...)

A Genuine spiritual life is more often than not, handed down from one individual to another, in a personal transmission forming a golden chain of sanctity, of which,we then, become living links. There is only so much we can get from books,(although,don't get me wrong, books are great and there are many that I would prefer to be stranded on a desert island with than many of the people I have met...)

And speaking of books, besides "The Spiritual life and how to be attuned to it," here are several more of my favorites: "The First-created man" by St.Symeon the new Theologian, "Writings from the Philokalia on the prayer of the heart' and" Elder Nektary of Optina" Strange sounding titles,perhaps, but, once you get a" taste" for them, they are capable of transmitting an experience of "Otherworldliness" which is rare in our day and age.

It's strange.On the one hand, spirituality has seemed to decline in the modern world,and yet, paradoxically, for those who really want it,it is just as available and attainable?

[renwdimgink]

Here is another good web site with a link to an interesting book that may be downloaded.

www.orthodoxinfo.com/general/theosis.aspx

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Here are three of my favorite cartoons which demonstrate:

1. The danger of joining just ANY religious organization-

2. Our need for purification and illumination so as not to experience an after-life like this-

and 3. How the end of the world just might come about- !!!

[renwdimgink]

(And all of them the kind of world where whatever we Intend comes into being.)

So we have to be careful of what we ask for, (Or even what our sub-conscious or unconscious mind is asking for,)

or we just might end up here-

[Charlotte]

Thank you for all the information concerning the Orthodox Church, their Monastery's in beautiful serene environs emanating an air of sanctity. I particularly love the "Tigers Nest" at Bhutan, a close second Mt. Athos, and the story in the faces of the Monks.

The cartoons and songs also appropriate to the theme.

We appreciate you taking so much time to bring Orthodox Religion to our attention, and I, for one, am grateful that it is continued in its purity by worthy persons.

Charlotte

[renwdimgink]

It's been my pleasure. I've enjoyed speaking with you. I wish you all the best, always.

Yours Truly,
Renewed Image Ink

[Charlotte]

I was speaking on behalf of other people on the board also, even though they do not participate in the dialog, who apparently have not found a 'path for their heart' but are interested, and appreciate the time you take to bring the relatively unknown Orthodox Religion to our attention, as do I.

As I said, everyone seeks the 'Center of the Mind', knowingly or unknowingly, and to happen on, made easily accessable with links, and commentary as to the benefits, and learn further of the 'Secrets of the Universe' is valued also by some readers other than myself.

Once again I apologize for my deficient wording, and would ask to please not to deprive us of knowledge leading to profound Truths.

Thank you

Charlotte

Charlotte

[renwdimgink]

Where are these mysterious other people? It would be nice to hear from some of them occasionally...

Dear Charlotte,
No need to apologize, but, once again, I have kind of reached the limit of what I have to say....

What more is there? The way is there for everyone and anyone who cares to make use of it.

If any one has any specific questions to ask, I could do my best to try to answer them, but you have to remember that I am no one very special or experienced. I just happened to have been fortunate enough to be led into something that worked for me. There are many much more experienced individuals than myself, (my God-Father, Fr. Gerasim, for example.)

So, if it sounds like I'm saying goodbye, it's most certainly not because of any deficiencies on your part, It's just that I've said all that there is for me to say.

PEACE BE WITH YOU !

[Charlotte]

The thread was read 400 + times, the plus can be mine, and there is communication off the board.

Yes, the subject is of great interest. The reason I noted the story in the faces of the Monks was, that only one was smiling, the others as if they had seen a grave and solemn secret.

Peace be with you as well.

Charlotte

[renwdimgink]

There is a level of conscious awareness where one feels the repercussions and consequences of, not only one's one disharmony and imbalance, but that of the whole world, while at the same time, knowing the great joy and freedom available to all, if only they knew....

Each one of us who remembers who and what they really are, makes it a little easier for everyone else to remember.

Our lives are all intimately interconnected. We rise and fall together.