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Post by renwdimgink on Feb 16, 2009 20:52:33 GMT -5
Our inner state becomes our outer environment,both here in this world and,even more so,in the life of the world to come.
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 17, 2009 7:05:14 GMT -5
Our inner state becomes our outer environment,both here in this world and,even more so,in the life of the world to come. So true, methinks, ideally beginning with Plato's "Perhaps there is a pattern set up in the heavens for one who desires to see it, and having seen it, to find one in himself". Adding Jordan Maxwell's "There is a moral Arch in the Universe that tends toward justice". Great Hermes, dependable in all worlds. Hallo renwdimgink Charlotte
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Post by renwdimgink on Feb 18, 2009 14:02:07 GMT -5
Once we recognize this fact,(that our inner state becomes our outer environment...) The question arises,"What does our inner state consist of? "And," How can we become free of any undesirable elements we may discover to be part of our inner state?"
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Post by renwdimgink on Feb 18, 2009 14:05:53 GMT -5
As Charlotte has so,appropriately replied, "Perhaps there is a pattern", that we may come to know by which to measure our present inner state against?
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 19, 2009 7:31:46 GMT -5
Once we recognize this fact,(that our inner state becomes our outer environment...) The question arises,"What does our inner state consist of? "And," How can we become free of any undesirable elements we may discover to be part of our inner state?" A tough question 'tis what our inner state consists of. Considering the teachings of ancient 'Philosophers', in those days a title bestowed on men and women proficent in Astronomy, Mathematics, Geometry, Physics, Psychology etc., let's say Priests, communicated to the many by actors and Poets on the Stage, and also considering the Great Thinkers of the modern sciences, the best answer I have is "we are the stuff that dreams are made of and our little life is rounded by a sleep". This must be where axioms such as "follow your dreams - dream the impossible dream, reach for the unreachable stars", mostly scoffed at. But this here statement is probably too simple for there is 'predispositon' involved and with it the question what causes us to be predisposed this way or that. In the lesser our parents and the invironment we grow up in, then through life experiences a 'selbst-gestalten', that is, if we are able to categorically reject almost everything that doesn't make sense and think for ourselves, which in turn requires to be born a Free Spirit, but in the Greater the predisposition must be a continuation of former times. I have often tried to discern my inner state and the origin of my Ideal, as I do at this moment, but cannot, similarely I sat down and gave myself permission to go crazy when I couldn't take it anymore, and could not, so without a doubt there are two of us: one Real, the other a Doppelgänger, which the Umlaut implies. To free ourselves from undesirable elements which are part of our inner state, as far as I know, they cannot be forced/willed out by forced 'positive thinking' and some such useless methods, but once recognized have to be accepted for what they are, lived in the inner and outer worlds until they are outlived gradually and naturally for the law that the river cannot be pushed holds water in all worlds. A rather long and incomplete answer to a short question for wont of brevity of wit. A great day to you! Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 19, 2009 7:58:22 GMT -5
As Charlotte has so,appropriately replied, "Perhaps there is a pattern", that we may come to know by which to measure our present inner state against? I think the pattern Plato means is the harmonious movement of the Universe loving itself, oblivious to human thought and action, but accepting of harmony/love we find in ourselves, hence my Hermes as above so below, but that's just my little world. Charlotte
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Post by renwdimgink on Feb 19, 2009 14:55:46 GMT -5
Pardon me while I have a strange interlude...
You may well ask,"Why have I begun this thread on the secret of the universe under the topic of Armageddon?"
I choose to interiorize this idea of Armageddon. This final battle between good and evil must take place,I believe,within ourselves upon the battleground of our own heart.
This,"Inner warfare" is the real meaning of the word,"Jihad." If only the Jihadi's of the world were to recognize this fact,what a different world we would live in. Of course,it is oh so much easier to exteriorize these things and find someone outside of ourselves to blame for our problems,but as far as the way the cosmos works,this is simply not the case!
We,however,have the opportunity to make all things new.
So,when it comes to "The wars,the lies,the failings,the warnings,etc." mentioned in the sub-heading of "Countdown to Armageddon" We can begin to see these things as the undesirable elements of our own inner state. The flaws in our own characters,our falsehoods,our illusions,our,less than helpful predispositions,as Charlotte has mentioned,which are being reflected back to us in the world we have helped to create.
We are not helpless victims trapped in an uncaring world. We are co-creators with God learning how to make use of the incredible powers and abilities which are our Divine birth-right.
In order to become truly free and truly conscious we must confront and go to war against ourselves.
"We are the stuff that dreams are made of and our little life is rounded by sleep..." It's time to wake up and become who and what we really are.
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Post by renwdimgink on Feb 19, 2009 15:06:51 GMT -5
As far as beginning to recognize the elements of our own inner state,the good the bad and the ugly of it,I highly recommend a book by Stanislaus Groff,"Realms of the human unconscious." Dr.Groff's model of our inner landscape has been a big help in my effort to,"Know Thyself."
When it comes to getting free of the undesirable elements,to begin with,as every housewife knows,(is there such a thing anymore?),sunlight is the best disinfectant...
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Post by renwdimgink on Feb 20, 2009 1:57:46 GMT -5
As Charlotte has written,"To free ourselves from undesirable elements...once recognized have to be...lived in the inner and outer worlds until they are outlived gradually..."
I would like to suggest that we can take a more active role in our spiritual unfoldment,consciously co-operating with the process in such a manner that it can be accelerated significantly!
This demands a certain degree of effort on our part,but as far as I'm concerned,it sure beats waiting around for all this junk to work it's way out.
Any traditional spiritual path is a means of active participation and conscious co-operation in our own spiritual life. Let's take Buddhism for example. The eight-fold path is no passive,sit around waiting for our Karma to work it's way out. The eight-fold path is an extremely demanding means of undoing the bad Karma we have accumulated,while at the same time,helping us not to rack up any more bad Karma while we're at it!
How about Christianity? There is a little known verse in Matthew. Chapter 11 verse 12 ,which most Christians skip right over because it doesn't seem to fit in with the,"Love your neighbor" message of Christianity,(Which many Christians also skip over,unfortunately...) Which reads: The Kingdom of Heaven suffereth violence and the violent take it by force."
In the context of our previous discussion on inner warfare, this verse refers to the fact that we have to force ourselves to do what we know is right. It doesn't necessarily come natural to us. As a matter of fact,it most often goes against our less than fortunate predispositions.
Let's not forget our basics in Astrology however,"The stars impel us in certain directions,but they do not compel." We still have the freedom of will to make our own decisions.
Maybe it's just me,but I've had enough! I'm not interested in coming back into this same framework over and over again. The ultimate goal is not to keep coming back,but to get off the wheel of birth and death and finally graduate into the next level of being.
This is the opportunity that is being presented to us at this time.
It will take some effort on our part but the rewards will be great.
How about a race of clairvoyant wonder-workers who have been restored to their original blessed state of oneness with God and all of creation,who,whatever they INTEND comes into being instantaneously in an ever-lasting,imperishable,incorruptible multi-verse of limitless creative freedom?
Any body else out there interested?
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 20, 2009 11:52:58 GMT -5
I think about, but not bussy myself too much with Armageddon objectively, so to speak, because this final battle of good and evil within our hearts is a natural ongoing process in the duality of our thoughts: the white angel and red devil on our shoulders as it were. I do my best to check my negative thoughts, hard to achieve this point, or reverse them with an apology to Life.
Apropos the "Jihad", I jumped at every opportunity during my many sojourns in Egypt, to tell the Muslims that their jihad is really the "Inner warfare" as you say, they nod and smile, but the many, so taught and do believe without stint, that eventually there will be a Muslim Humanity. Neither do they hear, as far as blaming others for the worlds ills, their Prophets words, "be careful not to blame others for their faults because they are also in you". He also says that it is better to study than to pray all day, and other such good things. Their jihad waged against all non Muslims is the same battle in the greater.
I would agree that we are not helpless victims but co-creators and to become truly free and wholly conscious is our Divine birthright, it reminds me of Fern once saying to me: in everything anyone does he seeks a solution to a problem he has, and this doing is part of the process to Freedom, which is not that or the other and what have you, but conditionless as you say at the end of your post.
The poetic 'we are the stuff that dreams are made of...' Can we then say: we are the stuff imagination is made of, as all the Wise and state of the art science assure us? Again, the waking up is part of the process, a measured and orderly process, no one is admitted to a Universe City without having successfully graduated from High School - beginning in Kindergarten.
Yeah, Stanislaus Groff used to teach at the PRS, where I began learning with a Kindergarten mentality and had to teach myself the English language again... part of the process.
Listening since childhood to a different drummer, so predisposed, I was never a good housewife, they are called "Homemakers" nowadays, I hear, same function it seems to me, but I do agree wholeheartedly with you that "when it comes to getting free of the undesirable elements, sunlight is the best disinfectant..."
In all, it is my understanding that each takes part in the process, more or less conscious, in the spiritual unfoldment individually thereby aiding the Collective to Freedom, and even the backsliding is nessesary for to correct the faulty, and "even those who do nothing serve" a purpose. Everyone is doing something, and I didn't mean sitting around passively and waiting around for Karma to work itself out, in those terms.
"The Kingdom of Heaven suffereth violence and the violent take it by force", yes, I know it, I think it says "storm", I'm smiling. Yes, it does mean we sometimes have to force ourselves to do what is right due to disposition, but it also means just what I have been going on about, viz, measured and orderly for forcing one's way into Heaven is not possible because it is unlawful, and it is the reason the best teacher do not tell Heaven's secrets directly but let the earnest student find them.
All this I'm writing belongs yet in Kindergarten.
I also agree that the stars impel us to certain things but do not compel us to make decisions, and that our ultimate goal is to get off the wheel of rebirth, meanwhile we are here and now.
Indeed, there are those "restored to their original blessed state of oneness with God and all creation, who, whatever they INTEND comes onto being instantaneously in an ever-lasting, imperishable, incorruptible multi-verse of limitless creative freedom".
To those I bow deeply and respectfully in utter Love and can say no more but only strive to join them.
Thank you kindly for exchanging ideas, I think now I need an interlude.
Charlotte
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Post by renwdimgink on Feb 20, 2009 12:12:19 GMT -5
"There is a pattern which runs through the heavens..." Yea,and not just through the heavens,but throughout all of creation.The tao,or,the WAY in which all things work together for good. This way is the ideal that all of nature follows unquestioningly. This way runs through our own heart as well reveling to us the Divine Intention at every moment.
Unlike all of nature,however,we are given the choice whether to create in harmony and balance with this Divine Intention,or to choose other than what this All-wise,All-knowing,All-loving WAY recommends for us.
Sounds like a no-brainer,right? Choose what God Intends for us!
But in practice it doesn't seem to work out as easy as that. We want to do what we want to do,regardless of even our own knowing better.
This disregarding of our own conscience gets to be a bad habit until,finally,that,"Still,small voice" within us is almost entirely drowned out by all the other clutter and clatter going on inside of us.
One of the first and most helpful practices of any,genuine spiritual life,is to simply take time to,"Be still and know I AM."
Here in the west,we have confused our conscience with some sort of arbitrary process of socialization which tries to program into us what OUR culture considers to be "Right" and "wrong" and thus we can rationalize getting around it.
However,our conscience is something which runs much deeper than that.
In Eastern Orthodoxy,(which is Christianity as it was originally understood for the first thousand years,before the church in Rome stepped away from Orthodoxy and formed the roman catholic church...) Our conscience is known by a more succinct term, the"Eye of the heart."
The Eye of the heart is an organ of perception. As the physical eye looks outward on the visible world, the Eye of the heart looks inward upon invisible realities.
The Prayer of the heart is a practice where we learn to, quietly,place our attention on the Eye of the heart where once again we will rediscover our ability to perceive these invisible realities.
Once our conscience is reawakened,it will not only warn us when we are about to do something that is not really in our best interest, it will prompt us to do well and finally, "Teach us all things and bring all things to our remembrance."
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Post by renwdimgink on Feb 20, 2009 13:12:49 GMT -5
I am a true believer in the "Sudden School of Enlightenment." That we are ALREADY clairvoyant wonder-workers who are suffering from amnesia. That true enlightenment consists of simply remembering who and what we really are.
Beneath the layers of the onion, a Diamond,just waiting to be uncovered.
Already,whatever we INTEND with our Thinking/Feeling/Willing, comes into being ,only with a governor stepping down the process for the time being,until we learn how to use this knowledge,this almost limitless power, with responsibility,lest we suffer the fate of the Krell in the movie,"Forbidden Planet."
The more we become aware of this process of "Intending things into being," the more "Sudden" it becomes.
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Post by renwdimgink on Feb 20, 2009 14:26:38 GMT -5
When we put the wisdom from the "Eye of the Heart" together with this power to INTEND things into being incredible things begin to happen!
Our life even in the "Here and Now" becomes an ongoing creative miracle.
It appears as if we have been the recipients of the ancient Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times." These are interesting times indeed! And a time of unprecedented opportunity to go for the Gold.
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Post by renwdimgink on Feb 20, 2009 14:30:49 GMT -5
Ah well. I've run on enough.
In the words of Jimi Hendrix, " If I don't see you no more in this world,I'll see you on the next,and don't be late,don't be late..."
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 21, 2009 9:21:45 GMT -5
Hallo again, With my ending sentence yesterday I didn't mean to say 'thank you I need a rest now', rather, I am glad someone is communicating with me and I like the word Interlude. As it is here, I am mostly talking to myself, which is ok and a clue that not many people share my love for with Francis Bacon, but only because they don't know what they're missing. Just jesting good people It is no different where I live not a soul would give the time of day to talk about the secrets of the universe. I know what you mean by us having to wake up and become who and what we really are, and that sudden enlightenment happens when we remember who we are. I love those incremental but scoffed at "AHA I knew this all the time but wasn't aware of it until you mentioned it" moments of shimmering Gold, and with Jerry "I'm only in it for the Gold", and "In Search of a Lost Cord" all the world is in it for Love. This ideal pattern running through the heaven, all of creation and our hearts I understand, and that we go against the grain at times, again, I see as part of the process until we are wholly in harmony with it, truly, it excepts nothing but the diamond beneath the layers of the onion, but most of us are still human. Reminds me of Socrates saying that when we pray all we do is flatter God, sometimes it's less than that. "Be still and know I AM" once saved what is left of my sanity. For the most part, I never fell victim to the cultural programming in the US or Germany, so the problem of predispostion arises again: why do some people simply believe and follow the right and wrong of a culture or religion, whereas others reject it von Haus aus and go or forge their own way according to the Eye of their Heart. The ancient Egyptians insist on this wisdom of the Heart which they left with the diseased, but took the dualing brain. I see the meaning of your second and third post, but it takes a superior/enlightened mind to "INTEND things into being" consciously, some people are aware and thankful for the "governor", the rest of Humanity doesn't even know such a one exists. In an old Egyptian account I love, he is called a "treasurer" who kills anybody coming near the treasure, save he has become Siegfried. The Krell remind me of the dark Atlanteans from 'Ad' abusing their limitless power, just so. "They" say that the movie was modeled after the Tempest, which again reinforces my axiom, "Shakespeare is everywhere", that is, Francis Bacon is everywhere on the planet, in space, and in our lives, but what do they know about the Tempest. I shall, very carefully, INTEND things into being to ally myself with the clairvoyant wonder-workers, as you call them, appreciating you bringing many things you write to my remembrance and attention. Charlotte
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Post by renwdimgink on Feb 21, 2009 16:06:17 GMT -5
"Forbidden Planet" and I both came out in the same year and I strongly maintain that this was no coincidence...We both have the same message for the world which has to do with the spiritual prerequisite of purification and illumination of our sub and unconscious mind BEFORE we are ushered into the kind of reality where whatever we INTEND comes into being instantaneously.
The Krell weren't bad atlanteans,necessarily. They just went and built this BIG MACHINE that gave them the power to create at will without bothering with the purification and illumination of their sub-conscious/unconscious mind,(the lower two thirds of the iceberg...) so that as soon as they turned on the BIG MACHINE their ID monsters wiped out each other and the whole planet in a single night!
Just exactly what we are doing right now except for the temporary limitations of time/space and the laws of physics,(which are there to protect us from our own worst intentions...)
I'm so glad you are familiar with Forbidden Planet! I highly recommend,if you haven't seen it lately,to go back and see it again. It has all the secrets of the universe in it!
Better yet,read the book.The story is told from three of the different characters point of view and goes into more depth about certain aspects.
Then of course, as you mentioned, it is really an adaptation of "The Tempest", which also deserves a re-reading. Prospero,through his magical arts shows the several different groups of characters their inner state,which,for the most part,is not a pretty picture!)
Again,this is exactly how the world reflects back to us our own inner state,if only have eyes to see it.
And finally,there is another book by Mary Stewart,(the same author who wrote that great book about Merlin,"The Crystal cave," entitled:"This rough magic," which is a line from "The Tempest."
In "This rough magic," which is essentially,a murder mystery set on the island of Corfu in Greece, the main character meets a famous Shakespearean actor who is hiding out there. He has this unusual theory about where Shakespeare,(he didn't know beans about Bacon...) came up with His ideas for the Tempest.
My ten year old daughter was reading this book and as we had finished whatever we had been reading before bedtime,she suggested that I read to her from this book that she was reading on her own. She hands it to me right at this point where this actor dude is telling us his theory about the source of the Tempest and it totally blew my mind! It just happened to be one of these"Clairvoyant Wonder-workers" I'm always going on about, ST.Spyridon of Tremithus,whom I have a deep veneration for.
If you have a chance look up the life of this ST.Spyridon on the web and you will see what I mean. And read "This rough magic," if you have a chance.
For me,who have had such an abiding connection with Forbidden Planet all my life,all this was just too much!
So,let me end by saying, we are all clairvoyant wonder-workers at heart. This is what we have always been Intended to be. Once we recognize this,we can begin to consciously co-operate with the process of becoming who and what we ALREADY are. This is why I believe that it is easier than we think it is. It's not a matter of learning something new,or gradually evolving into something else. It's simply a matter of REMEMBERING and UNCOVERING what is already there inside of us.
As someone else once said, "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you."
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Post by renwdimgink on Feb 21, 2009 16:44:42 GMT -5
It's funny,(ironic/funny-that is...) that you say," Most of us are still human." Especially since Forbidden Planet ends with Leslie Nielsen (!!!) saying,"After all,we're not God."
I understand how you meant it,that we still have these limitations,however to be,"Merely human," is no small thing. Our expectations have been systematically lowered. To be a human being is to be created in the Image and Likeness of God, to be "like" God,as far as possible. (and that's pretty dang far in my book!)
We have lost the "likeness" to God by choosing other than what God has INTENDED for us,but God wants nothing more than to restore us to our original blessed state, while, at the same time and in the same manner, preparing us to make a graceful transition into the indescribably more glorious life of the world to come.
It's a matter of aligning our INTENT with God's as he shows us from micro-second to micro-second via the Eye of the Heart.
As far as prayer goes,it's a telepathic communication with God that we're just not very practiced in at this time.
Watch AND pray...These two go together.
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 22, 2009 10:22:17 GMT -5
My responses to you were on a much lighter note, as it is most times when someone comes to this site only a short exchange of ideas and opinions takes place.
"It's not a matter of learning something new, or gradually evolving into something else - simply a matter of REMEMBERING an UNCOVERING what is already there inside of us", literally brings up the picture of my Philosophy teacher sitting behind his desk, his eyes contacting each of ours, his voice poignant: "You don't learn who you are, you RE-MEMBER who you are." Just so. Merlin also learned to set bones.
By the black Atlanteans I meant almost as you describe the Krell, minus the 'visible' big machine. They and the Krell were wiped out with their continent and planet, and so was the planet 'Genesis" in Startreck, but there are always a few survivors, who with their progeny carry on the work, in Hopi myth those who stand on hill tops and sing praises to the Creator. I always thought Plato's Atlantis was an event in space between the pillars of Heracles.
So yes, Forbidden Planet, and related movies and stories betoken the secrets of the universe. Interesting is also that theses movies happen in the future with episodes of the far and more recent past. I know Startreck has, goes all the way back to the "Father's vineyard", two sons, one doing the fathers will, the other becoming a Klingon, "but he wasn't so bad."
The names and relations of persons and space vessels in Forbidden Planet, the Tempest, and Startreck are fitting and telling, it's really marvelous how the mysteries are kept alive and communicated in this manner. I do see the bigger picture and understand the Kingdom within having always lived more in it then in the outer world, and also that prayer is a telepathic communication with God.
I must thank you again for bringing things profound to my attention for to make graceful transition to the glorious world to come, the article and books of interest you recommend, and will purchase Forbidden Planet for obvious reasons.
Charlotte
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Post by renwdimgink on Feb 23, 2009 17:47:47 GMT -5
The Krell did not set out to misuse the power to create at will.They had the best of intentions.This is what makes their destruction even more of a tragedy. Their only fault was in, (somehow?) neglecting the obvious fact that once they gave their conscious mind the power to create at will,that their sub-conscious and unconscious, in which were buried all kinds of undesirable elements, would also be given the power to create at will and thus, the destruction of the entire race.
This points out for us the absolute necessity for, not only the alignment of our conscious mind with the Divine Intention, but the kind of "Deep Cleaning" of our sub and unconscious mind which only comes with our full co-operation and participation in the" complete package" of a traditional spiritual path.
In the words of Carlos Castenada's Don Juan,"Find a path with heart," and follow it all the way to the end.
All too often we will be attracted to ,let's say, Buddhism, because we like the philosophy expressed in it. But when it comes to actually APPLYING the eight-fold path,that's a little too extreme for us.
Likewise,there are many "fundamentalist" Christians who consider themselves "Saved," and then never give another thought to,"Working out our salvation in fear and trembling,lest the salvation bought for us at such a cost is made to be of no effect."
Or "Urban Shamans" who tend to forget that the original shamans of indigenous cultures usually became such by being struck by lightning, being cured miraculously of some terminal illness, or living an ascetic life commiserate with this type of extreme experience.
In our culture,we want it our way and we want it now.
We CAN have it now, but not often,"Our way."
In every Traditional spiritual path can be found the thread of this process of Purification/Illumination/Deification which,having taken it up and followed it will lead us directly into the life of the world to come.
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 24, 2009 9:52:31 GMT -5
I have no argument against any of your assertions as one can observe them to be so.
As I understand those people we call the Atlantians, similarely to the Krell, had no bad intentions and likewise didn't heed their conscience and suffered the same demise.
So it is with us today, in simple terms, when the positive rises the negative opposes it, hence the Buddha teaches to chose the Middle Path, and words from one of my books belong:
Mortal Prudence, handmaid of Divine Providence, hath inscrutable reckoning with Fate and Fortune: We sail a changeful sea through halcyon days and storm, and when the ship laboureth, our steadfast purpose trembles like the compass in a binnacle. Our stability is but balance...
Charlotte
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Post by renwdimgink on Feb 24, 2009 16:43:07 GMT -5
The three powers of our Soul, Thinking, Feeling and willing form a triune-unity. Where one is found, so are the other two. For every thought we have there is a corresponding feeling and act of will. When we think of something, we either love it or hate it, we try to draw it to ourselves or keep it away.( This is of course way simplified and there are many shades of variation but, you get the basic idea...)
Thinking+ Felling+ Willing= INTENT
Whatever we INTEND comes into being.
Thinking/Feeling/Willing is also known as Mind. There is a direct correlation and interrelationship between Mind and Matter. Our Thinking/Feeling/Willing sets the pattern which sub-atomic particles, atoms, molecules, cells, etc. rush to fill.
We do not create in a vacuum,but, co-cooperatively, all together and within the over-arching context of what God INTENDS into being, moment by moment. Thus, all of creation is an ever-flowing, interdependent, interrelated dance of beings and forces, an ongoing creative miracle at every instant.
Having been created with freedom of will, we are free in every moment to create in harmony and balance with what God INTENDS for us or, to choose other than what God INTENDS. In this way we can learn from our own experience which works out for the best.
God did not create the universe and then step away to see what would happen to it but,continually re-creates it from micro-second to micro-second, giving us the freedom within that framework to create at will.
As we get the hang of how to participate in this creative process with some degree of responsibility,the limits of this present framework will be removed so that, whatever we INTEND will come into being INSTANTANEOUSLY.
The within and the without will become one and the same. The marriage between Heaven and Earth will be fully consummated and the wedding feast will truly begin.
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 25, 2009 9:16:19 GMT -5
Sometimes feeling rushes in before thinking, and I do agree with the law of attraction and repulsion in the lesser and greater.
I have learned and understand that our THINKING/FEELING/WILLING sets the pattern which sub-atomic particles, atoms, molecules, cells etc. rush to fill, in that order, and sometimes called "thinging", and one of my teachers called this ongoing and interdependent dance of creation and destruction a dynamic event in the matrix of space.
I think I do, to a very small degree, consciously, participate in the creative process, mindful of my thinking, which overall is not too difficult for me as I am not predisposed to hate, don't really know the feeling.
Understanding to a degree chemistry and alchemy, I know there is a wedding feast, having gleaned rays of it I do INTEND to partake in it in true time, so to speak.
Charlotte
Charlotte
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Post by renwdimgink on Feb 25, 2009 13:19:10 GMT -5
Another one of my very favorite books that has helped me a great deal throughout my spiritual life is, "Sri Aurobindo or the adventure of consciousness" by Satprem, one of Aurobindo's disciples.
In this book, which describes Aurobindo's Integral Yoga, he describes a process of meditation which unfolds step by step by quieting the body,the mind and the "vital," or emotions and thereby uncovering our"Psychic being," or soul,which is the true "Us" in us.
In the soul we find our own personal history, including everything we have,"carried over" along with everything we have inherited from all of our ancestors from seven generations and then stretching back all the way to the beginning.
These are the cards we're dealt that we have to work with, the source of all of our predispositions and most of our decision making process.
Through this form of meditation, which is essentially a stillness at every level of our being, we develop what he calls an ,"Environmental consciousness," a zone of silence around ourselves wherein we can notice thoughts,feelings and other suggestions from various planes of consciousness which seek to influence as and to engage the three powers of our soul thus making their way into physical manifestation.
In this zone of silence around us we can apprehend and choose whether to let these suggestions in BEFORE they have a chance to hook into us and work their way out.
These various suggestions are not all bad necessarily, but most of them are not good enough! There is a particular level of consciousness which Aurobindo called the "Supramental," which he hoped to see manifested in earth. A consciousness where this marriage of Heaven and Earth would take place.
What Aurobindo describes so well is in complete harmony with this idea of the "Prayer of the Heart,' and the "Unseen Warfare," of Eastern Orthodoxy, the only difference being that, in Aurobindo's yoga, you would call upon himself or,"The Mother," (Who was his helper in forming their ashram...) Rather than calling upon Jesus for help.
It is written, "Guard the Eye of the Heart from evil suggestions as you would guard your physical eye from a needle."
Not to mention, "Smack the camel's nose when he sticks it in through the tent flaps before you have the whole camel in the tent with you! (For our Jihadi friends...)
This practice of both watching and praying is the royal road that leads directly to the Kingdom.
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 27, 2009 9:59:28 GMT -5
Indeed, I read some of Sri Aurobindo's great Wisdom, in fact began my search with Hinduism leading me to Buddhism, back to Christianity, then looked into Islam, which mystical teachings I like, the same as other systems, intermediate always the Neoplatonists, admired and taught by M.P. Hall, and the mystical aspect of the ancient Egyptians.
I'm glad that you acknowledge predispostion, which I know is, if I can say so, and I second the carried over and inheritance from seven generations the Native Americans also teach.
Guarding the Eye of the Heart from evil suggestions as one would guard the physical eye from a needle, is comparable to Mr. Hall's: "When you come into presence of evil don't give it another thought", so yes.
In my way of thinking, the "Supramental" consciousness which revered Aurobindo hoped to see manifest on earth, will and must manifest in due time as Humanity strives upward, whether we are destroyed once again or not, if not, we and the Cosmos have no meaning as in Atheism, and that would be the sadest Estate of Life and living.
Speaking for myself, I see neither my beginning nor end consciously, but do feel that I am immortal. Perhaps I should add that in such a proficient moment in my life, I did 'realize' my beginning and end, that I am All and no thing at once, but it sank back into the sub and unconscious. Nevertheless, once consciously perceived it remains as the most powerful vision in the Universe of the Mind.
The camel's nose is a good visual.
Charlotte
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Post by renwdimgink on Mar 1, 2009 2:37:30 GMT -5
Which brings me to what I have been meaning to say all along concerning the "Countdown to Armageddon"
Once we realize that we are an immortal soul, paradoxically, the highest spiritual practice is one known as, "Remembrance of death."
Since death is merely a transition from one mode of existence to another, our entire reason for being in this limited framework is to have a good death. The best death is one where we transcend the wheel of birth /death/rebirth and graduate to the Eternal level of being.
We have a unique opportunity to do this at this time. For those who have ears, let them hear.
As far as Armageddon goes, the Lord himself says, "When you see these things begin to happen, look up, for your redemption draweth nigh."
And in 2nd Peter chapter three, the Apostle Peter asks us,"What manner of persons ought you to be? Looking for and hasting unto the day of God..."
So, when people ask me, am I waiting for the end of the world? I reply, "No. I'm not waiting for it. I'm running towards it!"
Only those who have no idea what comes AFTER the end of the world can have any fear of it.
The "End of the world" is the whole point of a genuine spiritual life. It's what we've been working for and heading towards all along.
And so the "Countdown to Armageddon" is nothing less than the countdown to Ecstasy.
Looking forward to seeing you there!
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Post by renwdimgink on Mar 1, 2009 3:13:26 GMT -5
"Behold,I shew you a mystery, we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment; in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump. For the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
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Post by Charlotte on Mar 1, 2009 8:48:11 GMT -5
I have always like these words of St.Paul, and also applied everything being new in the twinkling of eye to the ceaseless transformation of the quantum realm, the Event Universe.
"The best death is one where we transcend the wheel of birth/death/rebirth and graduate to the Eternal level of being."
I would agree, but, we cannot avoid rebirth until this level is reached and the Teachers agree this has to be achieved here, so yes, it takes our participation to speed up the process, especially since the signs of the time seem to foreshadow Armageddon.
I have a very vage idea of what might come AFTER the end of the world, which Estate you qualify with such confidence in your last sentence. It is problematic to take another's word for something unknown to one's self.
Charlotte
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Post by renwdimgink on Mar 2, 2009 5:21:33 GMT -5
To sum up: Many people seem to focus on the negative aspects which will take place leading up to the "End of the world," not recognizing in them the undesirable elements of our own individual and collective inner state being reflected back to us in our outer environment.
However, for those who do recognize this,"Secret of the universe," there is an opportunity to become aware of and to change our inner state and thereby begin to live a miraculous life even now in this world which is otherwise, coming apart at the seams.
How? By actively participating in the spiritual practice recommended to us within the full context of our chosen spiritual path.
In this manner, we can not only begin to live as if it were the next world already in this world, we can also be prepared to make a simple and graceful transition into another KIND of reality altogether. A reality that is indescribably more glorious than even the first-created paradise. A world of limitless creative freedom where,whatever we INTEND comes into being instantaneously and is in complete sympathy,harmony and balance with ALL THAT IS. An endless and imperishable world where goodness, truth, beauty, peace, love and joy are the most prominent characteristics.
But, by all means,don't just take my word for it! (After all, who am I but some anonymous crazy person who has made his way onto your web site?) Make the experiment and see if it doesn't work for you.
(I may be mad, but it's a very pleasant form of madness,you must admit!)
This is really all I had to say on this forum here. I thank you for taking the time to listen to my rantings and ravings and hope they are at least, of some small benefit.
And with that I bid you all a fond farewell.
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Post by Charlotte on Mar 2, 2009 10:35:44 GMT -5
I apologize for apparently irritating you, it was not my intention, I merely stated my thoughts on the matter, and did benefit from your insights. Neither did I think of you as a crazy person ranting and raving, but yes, a very pleasant madness, obviously part of my temperament as well.
It was not a matter of "taking my time", rather, I welcomed and pondered your words of how to learn to live in "balance and harmony - in an imperishable world where goodness, truth, beauty, peace, love and joy are the most prominent charateristics". My Ideal.
I meant no offence, and hope this is not all you had to say here.
Charlotte
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Post by renwdimgink on Mar 3, 2009 12:50:43 GMT -5
Dear Charlotte, Please forgive me! You haven't irritated me at all. Sorry if I gave that impression. I really don't have anything else to say. I really am just a simple crazy person,(crazy for God that is...) who has just as much trouble applying these things as anyone else. Best wishes to you always!
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