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Post by Michelle on Aug 12, 2008 17:35:46 GMT -5
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Post by Fred L on Aug 23, 2008 9:56:19 GMT -5
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 25, 2008 8:18:39 GMT -5
Hi Michelle,
As mentioned to Aurora, I didn't even click on the "pdf", takes too much time and gets so involved, but you can find quite a bit of information on the subject over at GHMB. I think we're in for something but don't know what it is.
Charlotte
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Post by Michelle on Sept 1, 2008 2:11:45 GMT -5
Hi Fred and Charlotte
Thanks for the help. I have found some great video clips online discussing the Mayan calendar countdown. They are long though - each one's about two hours long. If anyone's interested I'll go get the link and paste it here.
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Post by Fred L on Sept 1, 2008 4:23:23 GMT -5
Hiya, Why the interest in the Mayan calendar? *grins* sorry curiosity is killing my cat
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 1, 2008 9:13:27 GMT -5
I like your lighted Temple with a shooting star, Michelle.
There are 2 links on the "God Particle" thread, treating some of Maya calendar, but I guess you found enough material by now.
fredl, it's because this old world will turn on it's side and face the sun from a westerly direction, I think, and that would be Maya, Sir, not Mayan.
Charlotte, on
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Post by Fred L on Sept 1, 2008 11:21:14 GMT -5
fredl...actually should be Fred as my irl name is Frederick Lundberg...but dont know how to change it Charlotte...I bow to thee as having been told from a Westerly direction...*grins* Michelle? btw ..my interest goes back to some adna articles & faunal remains studies.
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 1, 2008 11:51:15 GMT -5
I thought about how to address you, my apologies Fred, I think I called you Mr. Lundberg once upon a time. Thank you and I'm glad to meet you anew Charlotte
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Post by Michelle on Sept 1, 2008 15:01:09 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte Yeah, I thought I was due a change in avatar. Hi Fred To rescue your cat... my interest is rather random. As with many folk here I met Don on GHMB and Hall of Maat. I still browse Maat, but I haven't been to GH in years. I came across the Mayan belief that the world will end in 2012 here and there, as well as a vast amount of speculation on what that actually means. That would probably been that, except a close friend sent me the original link here, then the links to the videos and I must admit I have found it very interesting. I had more I thought of saying, but it vanished before I got there. LOL At the moment I have flu and my brain is fuzz! If I remember, I'll return. Michelle
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Post by Fred L on Sept 1, 2008 16:34:43 GMT -5
Ahh..."Curiosity killed the Cat"..... But..."Satisfaction brought it back".... thanks Charlotte & Michelle that has made me sit up as i cant remember ever reading about that so i will look as i get more time ...hopefully
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Post by Michelle on Sept 3, 2008 2:56:01 GMT -5
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 4, 2008 9:14:24 GMT -5
Hi Michelle,
I can't watch the videos because my computer is much to slow, I get af few words at a time. Maybe you can say a few words of what blew you away about the era of the Step Pyramids, or if possible link to a transcript. Is it the pdf file you linked too?
Thanks
Charlotte
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Post by Fred L on Sept 4, 2008 11:23:38 GMT -5
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 5, 2008 7:35:20 GMT -5
Hallo Fred,
From Aurora's link, an article written by William Henry:
"At sunrise on December 21, 2012 for the first time in 26,000 years the Sun rises to conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic. According to the Mayans this date will mark the end of one world and the beginning of another.
"This rare galactic alignment is referred to as the Cosmic Cross. It's considered to be an embodiment of the Sacred Tree, The Tree of Life, a tree remembered as sacred in all the world's spiritual traditions."
The timing would be right, the world has been destroyed 3 times before, and according to the Hopi, this, our 4th world will also be destroyed, but those who keep the laws of the Creator will survive.
I think it has more to do with a leap in consciousness, the "blessed substance" descending from the cosmic cross. "Iron man", us, may have reached a critical point of spiritual power to make this leap. The Earth will once again be "sanctified" as the Hopi call it, "cleansing it and all that dwells upon it, raising all to a higher level of vibration", Mr. Henry writes.
As we look right now, I think it's beyond "fixing", the squabling and violence would go on ad infinitume and we're tired of it, so it may be the increased consciousness of millions who have finally tipped the scale, hopefully, and the rest goes back "into the Divine Ocean" as the poet says to get another chance later.
The Egyptians show this very well, i.e., when the diseased doesn't pass the test, he is devoured by Ammit and goes back to the mudd on the banks of the Nile to be recycled. Maybe it's time for humanity entire to be recycled. The parallel in daily life is that we have been recycling stuff for some years now, true to the Hermetic Axiom "as above so below", and Hermes says that he speaks truth, is to be trusted and relied upon.
That would mean that all we have to do is observe daily life to know wha't going on above.
The planet Niburu coming back may be Gurdjieff's "Anolius", which together with the Moon broke off the Earth due to a collision with a comet, the Moon being captured by Earth's gravity, the other, smaller fragment "Anolius" escaped and may come back to "annihilate" us. This fragment, says Gurdjieff, had another name: "Atlantis", and having wiped out the old order, this Atlantis will be "The New Atlantis" of Sir Francis Bacon. Tied this together good eh?
As it said in "The Shakespeare Code Book Review", "Francis Bacon is the missing link all are searching for".
Charlotte
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Post by Fred L on Sept 5, 2008 9:11:05 GMT -5
Thanks Charlotte, I,m amazed at some of the circles nasa inc that this is being taken seriously by...& im glad that they are at least looking at the areas of space alligning for sure...
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Post by Michelle on Sept 5, 2008 9:36:20 GMT -5
Charlotte
I'll see what I can find for you or return and give you a synopsis.
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Post by Michelle on Sept 5, 2008 9:58:15 GMT -5
Here Charlotte www.mayanmajix.com/art024p.htmlAnd there are loads more articles on the topic here as well. These videos put forward the idea that 2012 is not THE end, but AN end - as in a planetary leap in dimension/consciousness up to a new level. Death being simply the doorway to rebirth. Oh and leaping sideways - the fact Venus spins upside down /backwards is taken as proof that something huge did at some time whack its way through our little solar system. Charlotte Do you know the Hopi legends of the Blue Star Kachina?
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Post by Fred L on Sept 6, 2008 9:27:51 GMT -5
Ive found all of this incredibly interesting. On the Nasa question & Answer site they acknowledge that some of the astrological allignments are indeed very rare but are happy that no effects will be felt here. N.B. Interesting though that they note that if you have a compass in your hand that you may well have to get adjusted for magnetic shift...
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 6, 2008 13:53:41 GMT -5
Thanks Michelle, I heard and read bits here and there, also of plantary alignments in 2012, but never really got into it. From what little I gathered, I thought it had to do with our increased consciousness and the pressing need for a major change, planetary. I like "the creation of America" mentioned in the article, because it is the "New World" I'm on about, where Human Destiny is manifest before our eyes, on third glance. That something "huge" whacking its way through our solar system may have been what created our solar system, so in that sence, it was not some thing causing havoc, but later, when our solar system was formed and all the planets had settled into their orbits, something less huge, said to be a comet, streaked through the system and blasted 2 fragments of our Earth, as described. I read science reports stating the Earth and the Moon have the same composition, other reports say life began on the Moon. Science knows less than the various traditions quoted in the linked article, but which it is their job to prove. It's all so convoluted, but each, philosophy, religion, and science will bring their part to the Table. I have read some about the Blue Star Kachina, and either writers repeat each other, or interprete the legends as they understand them. As for the Hopi, best is to go to "The Hopi Tribe", but they speak in metaphor hard to understand. The "Creation Myths" in "The Book of the Hopi", by Frank Waters, a credible source I was told by people who told me I don't know what I was talking about, even though I was quoting from this very book but without them knowing, will blow you away. Not only do they describe scientifically how the universe came about, but how the 3 former worlds were destroyed, how humankind evolved until the people were completely "formed and firmed" in the 3rd world and came to the 4th, the one we live in, and it too will be destroyed. It is only common sense, that when the "living body of the earth - and the living body of man - constructed the same way", say the Hopi, is sick beyond any help it has to die. So here we are with all our wisdom and nowhere to go, as we say in Germany. Have a great weekend anyway Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 6, 2008 13:59:05 GMT -5
Ive found all of this incredibly interesting. On the Nasa question & Answer site they acknowledge that some of the astrological allignments are indeed very rare but are happy that no effects will be felt here. N.B. Interesting though that they note that if you have a compass in your hand that you may well have to get adjusted for magnetic shift... Huh, so they too think something is afoot, maybe a pole reversal and we have to learn how to call north south, that wouldn't be too bad.
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Post by Michelle on Sept 6, 2008 17:31:24 GMT -5
Fred, do you have the link to the Pole reversal/magnetism thing? I'd be very interested to read that. Charlotte Hope you're having a good weekend too.
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Post by Fred L on Sept 8, 2008 4:53:21 GMT -5
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Post by Michelle on Sept 8, 2008 7:38:17 GMT -5
Thanks Fred! My husband started noticing the magnetic North changes abot a decade back and has been interested in some of these topics for even longer. I'll save these links for him.
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Post by Fred L on Sept 8, 2008 8:00:33 GMT -5
Michelle...my Cats being kicked again In what way did your hubby notice?..was it with his job?
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Post by Michelle on Sept 8, 2008 9:34:25 GMT -5
LOL That poor darn cat! Not really related to his work, more his hobbies. He's just naturally curious and once he's curious... he doesn't let go or stop digging!
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Post by Fred L on Sept 8, 2008 10:58:09 GMT -5
Tell him...me too!
*Kicks Cat* muhahaha
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Post by PMacG on Mar 11, 2009 7:34:21 GMT -5
The Mayan are a classic example of a society that left the city, and had to dismantle a system that survived of off an excess from farming. They had constructed large water tanks to provide for a time of drought but this didn't seem to have been enough because of climatic change. As would usually be the case in such a situation the forebears of what remains of the Mayan people went back to the land to try and survive. The corpus of the Mayan texts is therefore logically slanted towards giving information of when another extinction event will occur and of the means of how overt the worse of this locked in destiny.
The problem is we not sure that this event will happen, well indeed it might or might not but the only most people are doing are sitting around and talking about what should be done. This same reaction happened on 9/11 and only the staff of companies like Morgan Stanley walked out the towers alive as they had been given constant fire drill. When the alarm went off they walked straight out the building, while others sat and finished off e-mails fro up to half and hour after the alarm was sounded, other didn't know what to do so just became unable to act at all, while others discussed what to do.
In situation of disaster people always report a time distortion and this occurs because the mind works at a higher level, taking its energy away from thinking to pure observation and reaction. In such situations this higher level working does have strange effects as people can do the strangest things unless they have already had experience or have visualized what to do in the event. The whole narrative in ancient cultures including the Mayan is therefore based on visualization through the telling of 'The Story', and this story was placed in images or characters such as symbolic animals that had a deeper meaning because of their natural habits.
The point we are concerned with from the Mayan is prediction of the event, and also how the Mayans used astronomy. They had a ceremonial year of 260 days and each day had an image attached to it that linked it to what would take place on that day, so every single day had a meaning. The 260 then fitted into a rite of both the 360 Tun-year and the 365 Haab-year, as the 260 gave the means to change the rite between the Tun and Haab. In this working we find a link between the Mayan and all other ancient cultures, all using the 360 and 365 days, but also a bigger 384 day-year or 384 year period. The swop between Tun and Haab works in the same division as in the AE system of 72/73 parts, as the Haab is made from the addition of the 73rd part. In AE workings the 360 days = 72 x 5 days and 365 = 73 x 5, and this is locked into the whole working's of time in seconds, minutes, and hours. This structure of time is related not only to the small year but the same values also create the larger year of the whole Precession of the heavens as a standardized form. This form is cubic, so time and space measures are built into 64 binary cubes or Seals (Hexagrams).
We might indeed, if we just continue to investigate or debate not get out of the building that is going to fall, where instead we should have been taking measures on how we are going to survive by knowing the way-out before hand. In our present state we could only take a small tilt in the balance, and in remembering that the Mayan had taken large steps to overcome times of drought and climatic. It doesn't sometimes matter what you do the event might be too large to withstand, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't train and visualize the possible situations we could find ourselves in.
In experiments people where put in a room and being told it was a waiting room for a job interview. When only one or two people in the room and smoke was released under the door from the next room, then those people left quickly. But when the room was full and actors had been told to sit and carry on doing what they were doing, the other didn't leave the room or report the fire until they couldn't even hardly breath and see a hand in front of their face. This is called peer pressure, as no one wanted to lead and where waiting for someone else to move, thinking the rest don't seem worried so nor should I. This happened at the sinking of the Ferry Estonia, as when the mind switched to its higher level in which conscious thought ceases most people became unable to do anything. Life-jackets that were thrown at them were not picked up, and the reason for this is that thinking is the precursor to physical action, and as thinking stops so does action, unless the person has some idea of what to do from training or visualization of what they would do in such a situation, then action goes to automatic. This research into disasters ties in very well with what I said in the book, in the way thought and visualization is tied in as the key to survival.
There is no point looking at the Mayan or other cultures that have done the logical thing and returned to the land leaving the city behind, unless we learn from them and put what we learn into action. If we put things into action it doesn't really matter if the event actually occurs as whatever we have prepared for it and know what to do. We are placing ourselves in a position where peer pressure makes us do nothing, and like me sitting here finishing this e-mail while the whole building falls.
Regards - Paul.
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Post by renwdimgink on Mar 12, 2009 1:27:54 GMT -5
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Post by PMacG on Mar 12, 2009 12:51:26 GMT -5
Whether the Prophets are correct or not is not really the point. Preparation for physical death is a prerequisite to the practice that allows us all to find union with the whole or the ONE. In this practice which we did discuss and hopefully will continue to discuss here before is about putting one's own position right. Understanding what was talked about in the PDF posted is something that is naturally happening as modern science and the return of various texts and cultural records had now come to light. We find the ancients perceived their union with all things, and that their own nature is eternal, in knowing the eternal part of our being we follow the path in the promise that the light always overcomes the darkness of destruction, because the light is the ruler and the creator uses all the means to create (there are not divisions). Bodies, People, Towns or whatever are built of the transient forms that arise and then pass away again, but this is only the means through which life is created and experienced - The Well or source is always the same, dependable and constant.
The creator is only experiencing what is created, and nature is thereby bound to a firm set of laws that cannot be changed from any created state's position - the ancient texts make this plain as the created part cannot climb to the city of the gods without suffering a transformation into something that does not even exist on conceptual terms only in pure experience. The creator stands beyond all realms or dimensions of existence, and yet it exists in all things through all cycles.
If we answer the puzzle of what can be in all times, all spaces, and in all cycles at the same time then we see time as an illusion of change, as change is all there is the physical shell or structure as one part only changes into another (death is a delusion of change). We cannot know any name or number that is the source, but we can read or observe what comes from the source as it crosses the event-horizon, so in science and mediation we know that there is something on the other side of the horizon. We can be the observer of the created movement, and we can observe all visualizations of the future and all memories of the past. Most only see the movement and do not realize that a point of observation exists in all individual parts because the point of observation is clear and empty, calm, unchanging and still. We as humans can reflect on these things and we can understand our own nature, in that part of our being is already dead, so we personally where never born it only seems that way because we think we are separated from the whole, but as now know in science, there are no separates in the whole as all is ONE. We are therefore alive and dead at the same time, and in fact these concepts are of no importance after a certain point of practice has been reached. Concepts are only used as guide to seeing and hearing properly.
When I talk about survival and preparation for a disaster well yes we can take steps to counteract such times, but the way to this is already contained in ancient texts. The mention of mutual cooperation, of having no person ownership of any created object allows us to remain clear of blame. This clearness from guile and duplicity, of intention for personal gain is at the heart of the texts of the sages, as in times of darkness, or a time when we have to give-up the physical body we have to transform to live in the light of the source within rather than under the light without (the sun is the release of energy from within matter). Whether we have always had to change or being from physical to energy, from the body to realms in the bound-up of mind is a question we can now ask. We know states exist in other dimensions but that these states also contain awareness, and as in the Tibetan Book of the Dead we could choose to take form within or through the gates that these energies offer, in other words physical states exist on other levels or places connect to this one but different to this one. In travelling through these inner states of energy we can pass through clearly if we have no attachment or fear to what is viewed, for if we have fear or attachment the visual activity becomes recurring as in flashbacks. The same applies to this life as well, as in attachment or aversion visions and memories become who we are, we become lost in them and then do not live in the NOW. We don't them let the inherent wisdom takes its proper course and we try to change its course, this is worry and tension. We can use the gifts of visualization to seek the truth, but we must never have personal possession of it as it is a tool.
So preparation is firstly the practice and then working for the common good, as in deed love moves all things into their correct places, and the wholeness is the guide to the outcome. If you horde or own anything it will taken from you, but if we are considered equal then all is shared equally, and if not we can comprehend the outcome of suffering and strife caused by our own actions. We have a choice and ignorance is not a good option, but sharing, trustworthiness, and not owning any material form for oneself are indeed good options.
Regards - Paul.
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Post by Charlotte on Mar 14, 2009 10:38:29 GMT -5
What a welcome surprise to hear from you again, Paul M. Smith , best of all that you are back to health and Lilly engaged in interesting conversation on the net, and rain too, yes we had and would need so much more for California 'quota'. From the looks of things the trials and tribulations of the world are increasing daily, and I'm not at all sure the momentum of the chaos can be halted but has to run its course to give way to a tremendous transformation, leaving the body of the earth to deal with our toxic for 1000's of years contamination, and her mind with our poluted thinking, as the Hopi taught, you remember. A stream can only run itself clean if no more pullutants are added, but now the 'right to pollute' can be bought, showing there is no letting up, so here we are at the end of our ropes, but as evident, not the wisdom of our nobler nature. I can't add anything to your or renwdimgink understanding and wisdom with which all I agree. "So preparation is firstly the practice and then working for the common good, as indeed love moves all things into their correct places", and Love to you Sir, "if we are considered equal then all is shared equally", and so esteemed "trustworthiness" grants Freedom from strife and fear. I have no problem at all not owning material things, save a roof over my head and my daily bread, and seeing/feeling the plight an anguish of Humankind as my own so overwhelms me that I must go to a lighter note and say: I really would like to keep my car and jewelry, my computer and my books, an object d'art or two, and a mind to appreciate these things, Life and living, yet, and "let the inherent wisdom take its proper course". Meanwhile, I go on with my studies of Francis Bacon, aspiring to his grand understanding of all things and throw a gold coin in the fountain round which the gods dwell wishing everyone well. Charlotte
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