Notes on Bacon/Shakespeare

[ariston]

so Nicholas(Coppolla) Cage got the part because of his name then....

Isabella Cage, Nicholas's Grandmother.

Analyzing The name Bacon on the international Genealogical Index produces good results, most of the later Bacon's seem to be entered as being born in the America's, some of the earlier 17th century references are specifically focused in the Caribbean.
One entry states that A Nicholas Bacon was married in Barbados in 1650, he can only be from the extended family of Francis. I think he may have been a nephew of Francis, maybe from Nicholas's first marriage to Jane Fernley.

The Bermuda records are confused, it states Ann Bacon, b1580, born to Francis,b,1560 and Ann Cooke, Francis born to John Bacon and Helena Tillot, This contradicts the ordinal entries, this may have been deliberate.

It may be interesting to try and trace the Caribbean Bacon's back to England, for the sake of posterity.

Of course this is a work in progress and some of the earlier insertions may need revision subject to cross referencing, but I have just seen recoreds showing marriages between Bacon's and Drury's/De Vere's, this is really interesting stuff.

Latona

[Charlotte]

Greetings Latona,

Yes and thank you, this works perfectly, I can see it.

Nathanael Bacon also belongs to the Bacon's of Bermuda.

"The investigator", R.T. Crowdier, Gloucester County, Virginia, "claims that Bacon's Rebellion was the forerunner of the Declaration of Independence and the American Revolution..."

Engraved "word for word, on a plain marble slab in the Gloucester Court House, Virginia:

"In Memoriam, Nathaneal Bacon, the younger, General and member of the Governor's Council. Born in Suffolk, Ebgland- 1630-40-died in this County in 1676. Originator of his socalled Rebellion, whose influence in the foundation of the Spirit of Americanism is immeasurable-the Washington of his day, popular and patriotic, whose magnanimity strongly contrasted with Berkeley's malignity. A soldier, a statesman, a saint-Gloucester, who honors the noble dead, and cherishes the memory of kingly men, and in whose soil the body of Bacon is said to sleep, erects this monument to the great patriot, by the authority of the Circuit Court, through the generosity of friends."

"For paternal ancestry the following table-form the "Virginia Magazine," 11.125-and published in Fiske's "Old Virginia and Her Neigbors," will show his connection with the celebrated Lord Bacon."

www.newrivernotes.com/va/baconc.htm

I wrote some of what Fern had to say about Nathaneal Bacon, and Delila Bacon, on the "Charlotte's Web and Francis Bacon" forum. I will spend some time on these relations. Before the beginning of your table here, there was Roger Bacon, a "wonderful teacher", and prior Hildegard von Bingen and Bernhard of Clairvaux, then came Trithemius of Sponheim and Paracelsus. It is as if one Luminare passed the torch to the next, up to Benjamin Franklin Gates in "National Treasure".

The paintings are deeply appreciated, Latona.

Charlotte

[ariston]

Greetings Charlotte,

That ties in nicely and as such, the genealogy fits in accordingly witht he Drinkstone and Suffolk Bacon's, which as far as I can glean are descended from a Knight who came over with the Conqueror, as did many ancestor's of the courtly Tudor families.

The Knight, Grimbaldus is the direct ancestor of all Bacon's and although Roger Bacon has no direct ancestry to Francis, they both are descendant's of Grimbaldus.

But then various branches of th Bacon's overlap, as the genealogy below show's, Sir William Butts married a Suffolk Bacon and their grandchild marries into another branch.

Sir William Butts was a Physician to Henry and in his capacity, an associate of Sir Thomas Linacre. The Druries enter the scene thus, they were another courtly family, also based in Suffolk.

Latona

[ariston]

following on.....

This shows a relationship between the Boleyns and Dru Drury, He was made Lieutenant of the Tower and Privy to chambers by Elizabeth. One can see why, at some point he was her Grand Uncle by marriage. He came to blows with Dudley over something? He paid for it by being locked in the Tower for a few days, Dudley refused to say that it was anything else other than a misunderstanding and it was he that let Drury out.

This is a point of interest because his old properties were on the site that now bears his name, Drury Lane, which is a stone's throw from Freemason's hall and Somerset House.

All of these Courtly families, being the descendants of Norman Knights that came over with the Duke of Normandy did not lose the habit of intermarrying within their own social circle, consistent with the practices of Aristocracy and Royalty going back to Khem, verily, you can see the traces of a pattern that is indicative of Bloodline. You could fill a wall with the extended permutations(good idea) and all of the relevant families intermarry or overlap with different branches of the same extended family and then join once again, limited genepool for sure!!!

With certainty, these selfsame famillies are the the ancestors of a large proportion of today's aristocracy, this process has continued for over a millenium in England and another 500 years in the feudal Frankish Domain, wherein a lot of the Norman French Knights were also descendants of the Viking raiders that harrassed The later Carolingians under Charles the Simple,as was William the descendant of the first Duke, Rolf/Rollo.

The displacement of the Anglo-Saxon suzerainty over Lands, for Norman Lordship, heralded in Domesday.

Latona

[Charlotte]

Greetings Latona,

I have looked at, though not yet followed in depth, the Tudor and Bacon geneaology, persons involved, and the blood line.

The tracing is easier from Francis Bacon to our time, following his ancestry, and the relationships to about the year 1000 widens the horizon considerably, beyond that time is yet another history, and another. Ariadne's thread is unbroken, only the knots have to be identified, unraveling and naming each strand is the thing, the overall view can be gleaned.

Shakespeare is deemed a celestial genius descended from Heaven, suggesting the History, so I will continue, with Fern's help also, your's being invaluable and a thank you below par, must invent a new word.

Charlotte

[Charlotte]

Greetings Latona,

I followed up some on some on the generations of the Bacon's from the Norman Knight Grimbaldus,1066, to the Bacon's of New England, and connections to two Presidents of the United States.

I found the reformer Pastor Leonard Bacon, who, in 1825-1866, "led the colonization movement in New Haven."

History of Dedham, Massachussetts

"In 1802 a local mason named Martin Marsh built his brick home at what is today 19 Court Street and was then right on one of the new turnpikes. He saw traffic flowing daily past his house and quickly turned his home into a tavern. His establishment, the Norfolk House, like the other inns and taverns in Dedham at the time, were bustling with the arrival of both turnpikes and the courts. He maintained the tavern until 1818, and then sold it to Moses Gray and Francis Alden. It was this partnership that hosted President Andrew Jackson for lunch as he and his entourage passed through town in 1832."

In "National Treasure", it was the year 1832 that Charles Carroll told the secret intented for Andrew Jackson, to Thomas Gates.

"The Norfolk House was also a hotbed for Republican politics in its day. It competed with the Democratic Phoenix House, so named because it was rebuilt after having been destroyed by arson, (quickly negating any other thought the word Phoenix would bring to the readers mind, my note) which stood at the site of the present Knights of Columbus building on the corner of Washington and High steets in Dedham square."

The Knights of Columbus built on the Democratic Phoenix House, for which I will vote.

"The proprietors of the two establishments generally stayed away from each other but "every once in a while they slipped and then there would be a short burst of newspaper venom."

"A young Congressman named Abraham Lincoln gave a speech at the Norfolk House on September 20, 1848 while in Massachusetts to campain for Zachary Taylor. He appeared uncomfortable as he arrived", but soon caught fire and gave a speech "that would have been difficult to surpass." When he ended his speech "the whole audience seemed to rise in protest. One Gentleman arose and pledged to take his horse and carry him across the country."

Dr. Jack Bacon's Epilogue: "The Gathering" December 4, 1998

"The living generations of the family gather on the shores of Florida to witness the launch of the Space Shuttle Endeqavor several weeks later, on its way to continue the assembly of the International Space Station, with an international crew. The earth shakes as the monstrous vihicle departs, and the sky lights upas though man had just recreated the sun itself. The flight obeys the predictions of the space worker, of his father the math teacher, and the teacher's aerodynamicists father and mathician mother. It fulfils the dreams of twenty-eight generations past. The shuttle thunders over all the ancestral homes and settings of the previous twenty-eight chapters, arriving with its separated external tank and its target vehicle Zarya together in orbital dawn above the grave of Grimbaldus in England. In such lighting conditions, the three objects recreate the moving "stars" (meteors and comet) in the sky, which had caused the Norman knight to ponder his future nearly a thousand years before. Man has arrived at the cosmos to stay, and is now permanently living and dancing among the stars, through the daily struggles of all generation that have gone before."

www.drjackbacon.com/outline.htm

Methanks for direction

Charlotte

[Aurora]

a link for Charlotte and those interested
Bard on the Beach Shakespeare Festival (just found while searching something else)
www.bardonthebeach.org/
the site even have a "Shakespeare Forum" for the curious ones :-)

[Charlotte]

Thank you Aurora, sounds like fun, good food and drink, fireworks and all. I seldom mingle with crowds, sort of a home body.

I think you live in Canada, is where the festival is.

Charlotte

[Aurora]

The Festival takes place in Vancouver where I first landed 15 years ago - Now I am living at the opposite End of Canada. I am a homebody like you but in Vancouver I was doing yard sales year round - so much fun...... to meet the people from all around the world in their settings. The site has plenty of info per se without having to move an inch, lol.....

[Charlotte]

Hi Aurora,

I hear and see it's beautiful in Vancouver, cold eh. I didn't have time to read on the site, probably Oxfordish as most of them are, whereas I am running and flying almost exclusively with the Baconian/Shakesperean gang from ages past to the New Atlantis surfacing before our eyes these great and interesting changes.

Keep warm

Charlotte

[ariston]

Greetings,

Intriguingly enough, the Arms of Johan Valentin Andrae (JHVA)incorporate the antlers froma North American Moose. At first I thought it might be a European Elk, but no, they are indeed from a Moose. Apparently he was a student at Tubingen, within the Duchy that the aforementioned Cozen Garmombles reigned, him from the Merry wives of Windsor. Andrae was present at the Investiture of Garmumbles/Mumpellgart in to the Garter in 1603, this was the same year Francis was Knighted, the same year Elizabeth died.

The most interesting aspect of this is the scientific name for the Moose/Elk; it is Alcis/Alces, this is remarkable in itself and consistent too as it is also another name for Athene, Alcis meaning Strong. Alcis Athene was depicted on Macedonian coins in India, she is depicted, usually with a thunderbolt. This very consistent in that Athene also has the Guildhelm and the Spear. Valentin utilises the Monas Hieroglyph of Dee and the startling comparison between his Christianopolis and Bacon's New Atlantis just adds more consistency.

Latona

[Aurora]

Cold compared to where you are but you get Rhododendrons in January not bad compared to the East where I have to wait the month of june to see my Rhodo blooming.
I sent it for the Shakespeare you tie to Bacon information ;-) you never know if a gem is not hidden somewhere ;-)

[somers]

my coat of arms my grandfathers mother was a baird ..my sir name is also somers .u talked about the bore on the somers coin . and the founder of Bermuda didn't just own one ship he was an admiral .

[Charlotte]

Mar 24, 2011 1:26:05 GMT -5 @somers said:

my coat of arms my grandfathers mother was a baird ..my sir name is also somers .u talked about the bore on the somers coin . and the founder of Bermuda didn't just own one ship he was an admiral .

Hallo somer,

I don't know quite how to reply your notes, perhaps you could elaborate on what you mean to say.

Sincerely

Charlotte

[Charlotte]

Every now and then a Person comes to this MB, leaves a comment and is gone. Some strange, others not so.

JohnDM appeared for a moment to post an interesting comment which was a very helpful to me thinking on another subject.

I will try and find more time to post, at the moment, my work has taken over my life

Love to All

Charlotte

[Don Barone]

A post from the dark side ...

Re: Who Was Cervantes?
Author: Malankhkare (58.167.42.---)
Date: 24-Jan-12 00:43

Thank you Jeff, just going to have a look. I have been utterly engrossed in reading all the material on Bacon in the last few days, and some of it is just astonishing.

Looks like he was using a host of psuedonyms beginning with Robert Laneham (Lean Ham) when he was 14 and put on his first play at the Kenilworth revels. Consequently have now put Scott's novel on my list to reread (after some 65 years). ...

www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=10&i=892&t=886

[Charlotte]

Hi Don, Daz, and Guests,

Don't have time for the link, why from the dark side, Don?

Nice synchronicity that the Man from La Manch should come up, for it ties in with what I currently busy myself: the Vandals Tribe. La Mancha is in Spain, where the Vandals, descendants of the Celtic Tribes established themselves in Galacia.

"The regional name Andalusia is derived from the Vandals, according to traditional view. When the Moors invaded and occupied Spain from the 8th century to the end of the 15th century, the region was called "Al-Andalusia."

Re: Don Quixote and Sir Francis Bacon

"There are two accounts of "The princely Pleasures of Kenilworth." Kenilworth was the Residence of the Earl of Leicester, Francis' father, and was used to entertain Queen Elizabeth I, his Mother. The account, "obviously from the same hand, by some person who signed himself "Laneham" and Geo, Gascoige" which account was supressed by Lord Burleigh, enemy of Francis.

"The anonymous letter writer is jesting at the name Bacon. He is 'Lean Ham,' i.e., Laneham. The idea of playing with words to convey other meanings was quite characteristic of Francis Bacon's humour. Ordinarely, it would be very far-fetched, but these diamond words appear as punning in Shake-speare, and the very word 'Ham', with other words such as PIG, SOW, SHOAT, are given repeadedly in the Initial Capitals of Shake-spear texts usually with the message 'Bacon'. (Alfred Dodd)

When the original flag of California was raised, "the Native Californians looked up at it and were heard to say 'Coche,' the common name among them for pig or shoat."

On that Flag of 1849, Hermes with alchemical symbols, a pig or shoat, not a bear, is on the Shield of Athena on the Great Seal of the State of California. Athena was the 10th Muse of Francis Bacon.

www.learncalifornia.org/doc.asp?id=933

Look at the countinance of the "bear" on the first Seal and how it is changed to a 'true' bear in the second. I have one picture of Athena where it is a pig distincly.

I'm out of time, if interested look at page 1, reply 4, April 6, 2006

You can go to sirbacon.org and search Don Quixote, wiki has some good, general info as well.

Francis Bacon is Cervantes.

Have a great day!

Charlotte