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Post by ariston on Aug 11, 2008 4:04:46 GMT -5
Greetings Charlotte, Just a few interesting facts aBout Elizabeth Cousin Mumpellgart, Frederick a Wurrtemberg, Mumpellgart being the Germanic MontBeliard. "Cozen Garmombles and the horses hired at the garter inn, by retainers of a german duke." The Merry wives...Frederick was given the order in 1597, but the investiture did not take place until 1603, when FB was Knighted. The Merry wives was published in 1602, but might have been written in 1597, the year of his acceptance. The Garter ceremony took place in Stuttgart, the Garter emissary was non other than Spenser, he of the Fairie Queen and The Red Cross Knight, Spenser was a part of The Duke of Northumberland's circle and overlapped with John Dee's at Mortlake. The Duchy oF Wurttemberg also include the town of Tubingen and attending the University of Tubingen was Johann Valentin Andrae, or JHVA, as I like to call him, Kepler was also there. The Garter ceremony and those involved must have influenced the young student profoundly, after all he uses the Monas Hieroglyphia of Dee. Cellius wrote a journal of the account and apparently he was also related to Spenser, Elias Ashmole, one of the earliest recorded Freemason's also wrote an account in his history of the Garter. A year after the ceremony, Simon Studion published a book called Naometria,which he dedicated to Frederick, it concerns prophecy connected to the Temple measurements as given by the Bible. Under the shadow of his wings,a pervading theme, just as FB uses the downward pointing wings as a stamp on the scroll in the NA. JHVA mention Naometria in his Turris Babel and so being a native of the area, he also must have studied Studion dilligently. Naometria also mentions the Confederatio Militae Evangelae, which is mentioned intandem with Frederick, note the 1604 date, which coincides with the appearance of the new stars in Serpentarius and Cygnus, which Kepler writes about. The birthdate of CRC at 1378, his life of 106 yrs, til 1484, and then the unveiling, POST ANNOS 120 PATEBO, gives uds the date 1604, which coincides with the Advancement by Bacon, also a Garter Knight. The Militae evangelae alluded to a the Protestant confedaracy that included Elizabeth, The German Dukes, Hesse and Brunswick and other Luminaries, This same confedaracy that included Frederick of the Palatinate. CRC was born in 1378, he lived 106 years; 1378/106=13, which takes us to the year 0 106*2=212*pi=666, so it is possible the lifespan and dates linked to CRC were derived to incorporate this numeric concordance with biblical value, YA RECKON!!!!!! Say stop and I shall...But it has only been a week. Another correspondence may also lie within extractions taken from Fama and Alls well that ends well, The main figure being Bertram Count Rousillon, Brother Christian RosenKreutz. That may however be a bit tentative; FAMA FRATERNITATIS"Such a one likewise hath Theophrastus (Paracelsus)been in vocation and calling, although he was none of our fraternity, yet nevertheless he read the BookM" "...Esteeming Aristotle and Galen...." "..After that Brother A in Gallia Narbonensis was Deceased, then succedd in hid place our loving brother N.N.." ALL'S WELL THAT END'S WELL2.1.100 Helena;" AY my good Lord, Gerard de Narbonne was my father" 2.3.11 Parolles; "So I say" Lafeu: " Both Galen and Paracelsus" but that is just a snippet! Was that Sir Edward Dyer? I paln on reading Zazoni as soon as possible. In R and J there is a Character called Bal-thasar, Romeo's steward, this may a refrence to a man named Balthasar Walter who was a friend to Jacob Boehme, Balthasar was Connected to a Prince called ANHALT, in circa 1612, this can only be Christian of Anhalt, Chief advisor to the Palatinate and Heidelberg. Does the 22/8 have anything to do with the 22/1, Bacon's birthday or 22/6 St Albans Day. Bacon as JHVA, fitting, ja. To conclude, for now. A verse taken from Koyle; THIS IS THE FAMOUS [glow=WHITE,2,300]STONE[/glow]THAT TURNETH ALL TO [glow=GOLD,2,300]GOLD[/glow] (maybe monoatomic?) FOR THAT WHICH GOD DOTH TOUCH AND OWN CANNOT FOR LESS BE TOLD Light Latona
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Post by ariston on Aug 11, 2008 7:17:58 GMT -5
Greetings Charlotte, Just wanted to show this manuscript By Newton, he read Michael Maier extensively. Mimics the Seven stars and The Heptagonal Vault. note: LAPIS PHILOSOPHIUS, at the top and this by Dr Heinrich Khunrath, again. Note the PYRAMIS TRIUMPHALIS in the middle of the vault/Hepta. The altar surounded by sand. Khunrath being a close associate of Dee, he also uses the Monas Hieroglyphia. PETRA PHILOSOPHALIS, at the top.He knew what was going on then, like Newton, methinks. derfinately the stone with the 7 eyes. ZECH ALSO Do you think they read the part in the Bible where it says........ Light Latona
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 11, 2008 8:29:13 GMT -5
Greetings Latona, Please don't stop, I reckon, some, ja. Yesterday, my post to you here flew out of the window and I was not a happy A+Ber. My post went something like this: Re-reading reply's 52-56, and your last 2 posts, I recognized many names and places you cast like a net all over Europe, remembered and searched, and in awe of what transpired below the surface since circa 1000, the bonds formed between the Luminaries, and WS lingering somewhere in the middle - I love. Bacon taking inspiration from Florence, Poets, Philosophers and great minds before Marcilio, I agree is on the mark. Not to forget Shugborough, later. Bombastic Paracelsus also came up in my searching yesterday for Linacre and Erasmus. To become an expert in all things Tudor, Florence, European Royalty, Mystics and Alchemists, Poets and Minnesänger, and who have you stored away, who, how, why, where readily available from the top of one's head, ja, that would be something. I liked the shades of Cervantes, have to look into this and read Shakespeare with a ray of new light accorded to me recently. Hopefully sooner than later things will fall into the appropriate slots. I can appreciate who was in the crypt of old St. Paul. I never thought of Pallas Athene as a great sea eagle, but can relate to it because there exists a painting powerfully attracting my eye off and on, of a great sea eagle of fiercely conscious look and countenance hovering over over a relatively small, white egg on a sea-shore on which stood a magus holding the waters at bay - commanded them to recede to expose the egg. Hmmm Elizabeth and Burghley knew each other well enough for him to be the third to know of a liaison between the Queen and Dudley, and make appropriate arrangement for their offspring Francis and Robert/Essex. (The Queen, Polonius, the King who was an uncle, Hamlet, and the Hotspur Fortinbras.) I also read an interesting article at wiki on Elizabeth Hatton, the legend and the "Confusion of Personalities", but I found and put them in their proper place, pretty much. The national treasure of England Venus and Adonis at the White Hart Inn, St. Albans www.sirbacon.org/links/carrmural.htmlYour today's post absolutely delights me, ja, fitting, I shall dwell on it after work, mein Herr. Charlotte Huh, just spied your second post, keep me on my toes, why don't you and skipp/dancing to work.
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 12, 2008 9:14:25 GMT -5
Greetings Latona, I finally followed up in Elizabeth's Cousin Mumpellgart, with great profit, read "Simon Studion", found "the first of seven altar stones that were later puchased by Studion for his collection." Apparantly, Studion was a stone collector and "these were placed in Duke Ludwig's 'pleasure garden." There is one in Salzburg as well. Interesting also is another stone Studion found, which the people living by the river Murr had dedicated to Vulcan, and which he described in a poem as "covered by ancient earth, and awakened by a plow", and polished. Three witnesses are mentioned in the marvelous article: Martin Luther, Studion himself, and "An Elias the Artist (Alchemist) was mentioned to arrive after 1539." Thank you for the seven stars of the "LAPIS PHILOSOPHIUS", and Khundrat's drawing. Sir Isaac Newton is as underestimated as Lord Bacon himself. I have ZECH open here but am short of time. These seven stars, looking for the forth... and then having found all of them, came always as if out of the blue, seemingly nothing to do with a given subject. On the seven star diagram by Newton I read that the "characters of seven planets are yellow", corresponding to: "Since there are seven walls in the tomb of CRC that contain the same symbols but with different colors, this is the central mystery." I have yet to recognize 22/8, 22/1, and St. Alban's Day is given as 22/7, not 22/6? I also found my so long looked for answer concerning the year 0, thank you is most inadequate. The emblem of "England's Arch Poet", he of the Faerie Queen, is toped by a Tudor rose bud. Fern writes: "A most important member of the Shakespeare Group gathered under Lord Bacon's leadership, is Edmond Spencer. His principal acknowledged work is the "Fairy Queen." Other rather massive poetic works are contained in the Fairy Queen volume. There is therefore little if any doubt that the production represents a Group-effort." She then goes on to explain the emblem in detail. Methinks it fitting, myself in need of poetry, to give a Ben Jonson address to Sir Francis Bacon: Triumph, my Britain, thou hast one to show To whom all scenes in Europe homage owe. He was not of an age, but for all time! And all the Muses still were in their prime When like Apollo he came forth to warm Our eares, or like a Mercury to charm. Nature herself was proud of his designs And joyed to wear the dressings of his lines Which were so richly spun, and woven so to fit As since she will vouchsafe no other wit. Sweet Swan of Avon, what a sight it were To see thee in our waters yet appear. For though his line of life went soon about, The life yet of his line will never out.
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Post by ariston on Aug 13, 2008 4:24:04 GMT -5
Greeting Charlotte, Yes, birds of a Feather, an Eagle's for sure. Just found out that Francis Walsingham was Elizabeth's Cousin, have to trace that one, but it would explain a lot. I read A biography of her last night, she was a veritable Philosopher Queen and Bacon's mother Anne Cooke was a formidable academic in her own right, she translated 14 sermons on the nature of Christ. Elizabeth's pre Queen London residence was Somerset House on the Strand, once the abode of her 'SUITOR' Thomas Seymour, Lord Admiral, Brother to Jane Seymour, Uncle to Edward, he also married Catherine Parr. Francis was born at YORK House, also on the Strand. Elizabeth was familiar with Dee at a very early stage in her life, Dee being associated with her tutor, apparently Cheke introduced Dee to Cecil and to Anschaum, her Tutor. I have devised a relationship chart that will make your head spin, for a time anyway, but then a pattern seems to form. Thank you for providing illuminating inspiration. Light and Love Latona
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 14, 2008 9:34:57 GMT -5
Greetings Latona, Sir Francis looks one so directly in the eye. Thank you for the realtionships charts, I will condsider them I am familiar with Lady Ann Bacon as a formidable scholar, she being the "proper" and well-spoken Goose of six goslings who teaches Wilbur speak, first. The Essex Ploblem Frances Walsingham/Sidney,Devereux, Countess of Essex, Frances de Burgh, Countes of St. Albans, and Cousin to the Queen, was the mother of Hotspur Robert, according to historians, but accounts differ. After his father, the 1st Earl of Essex, Walter Devereux, died, Lord Burghley, the third to know of the liaison of Dudley and Lizy, "became his guardian", and also became "the stepson" of Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester, the Queens greatest love. Close enough. Things get more confused and complicated when Lettice Knollys, also a Cousin of the Queen, comes into the picture. A spirited beauty, Lettice attracted Leicester who was secretly married to the Queen, and while her husband Walter was in Ireland, Lettice became pregnant by Leicester and had an abortion before he returned, it is recorded in Leicester's Commonwealth." Or so it is understood by historians. The Spaniard de Guaras, however, reports, that Lettice, wife of Walter the elder, had two children by Leicester, and gossip had it that Leicester poisoned Walter, so he and Lettice could get married, and were "at Wanstead on Sep 21, witnessed by her father, Sir Francis Knollys", which infuriated the Queen. An intersting note: The noble Imp" - son of Leicester and Lettice named Robert (Essex, the Queen's favorite) died as a child. All of Lettice's other children had been healthy, so it was a cruel twist of fate that their onlt legitimately-born child was not." And here's the rub, the noble Imp Robert, 2nd Earl of Essex, was the son of Leicester and the Queen, not Lettice - the Devereux' adopted him, and didn't de Guaras say Leicester and Lettice had two children? These two are Francis and Essex, sons of the Queen. Another interesting note, and explanation to fit persons somewhere, is the "Lettice went out of her way to be mistaken for her royal cousin", the Queen. And, in an "anonymous manuscript Leicester's Ghost", is stated that Lettice and Blunt poisoned Leicester, and Hamlet's father, the Ghost under the stage. Even a small part of all things Tudor makes one's head spin. I think I gleaned something about Diana, "and that bright Occidental Star, Queen Elizabeth of most happy memory..." Most sincerely Charlotte
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Post by ariston on Aug 14, 2008 10:06:49 GMT -5
Greetings Charlotte, Here is one showing relevant relationships, which also takes in Walsingham through marriage, his mother married John Carey, whose brother married one of the Boleyn clan, I had the Knolly's relationship somewhere.... The Carey/BOLEYN relate. may need revising, but I do not think so. Incidentally, Henry VIII beheaded Sir John Dudley, Dudley's father, His brother Sir Guilford Dudley was also beheaded, for he was Jane Grey's husband, apparently Elizabeth also had amorous liason's with Sir John also, wherein he once reported to an imperial ambassador that he was going to divorce his wife and marry Liz, according to her official biographer, David Starkey. I shall look into some of the names you mention as they are unfamiliar to me, Knolly's I know, he is the personage who MALVOLIO, is based on in 12th night, methinks. Love and Light. L
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Post by ariston on Aug 15, 2008 4:23:53 GMT -5
Greetings Charlotte,
Well, that's the official rendition, diluted as usual.
Light Latona
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Post by ariston on Aug 20, 2008 5:24:49 GMT -5
Greettings Charlotte, Consistent with Hermetica, or the inspiration behind HERMES Trismegistus; here is Thoth as the Lunar Baboon as he is sometimes portrayed. And this the funery rite from the book of the dead, wherein the weighing of the Heart, the pound of flesh against the feather of Maat, justice, undertaken by Anubis and overseen by Ibis headed Thoth, The upright Judge, a learned Judge, the inventor of writing and wisdom, as one author described him, the invigilator of individual destinies, or judge. If the weighing results in the negative, then Thou do diest; Ammit, the Canine like Devourer of the Dead get to finish the job and the candidate ends up as so much Bonio. Say bye bye to the underworld. Thoth has been described as a true lunar deity, wherein he represents the passage of moon through the sky, Wallis Budge noticed the similarity in the descriptive resonance with that of the Babylonian Lunar deity SIN and concluded that they could only be one and the same, In KHEM, Thoth was called DJEU-TI. I just discovered that there was a famous Cabalistic collegia in the city of Narbonne during Medieval times. Light Latona
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 20, 2008 8:00:54 GMT -5
Greetings Latona,
I have thought about Thoth as the Lunar Deity, thank you for the picture, the scribe beside the Baboon may indicate that Thoth was or is also the recorder of events in human history, and the "invigilator" of individual destiny, as you indicate, but then the Baboon also greets the sun in the morning. The form and characterization of the Baboon and the scribe as one statue seems to have to do with humanity's history.
I read about DJEU - TI, or Tahuti as the present day Egyptians call him. It seems he of the ibis head is the inventor of everything, and according to your words "the invigilator of individual destinies" and "an upright and learned judge." All I can hope for is that the result of weighing my heart, or "pound of flesh", which defination is new to me, is in the positive and I can say bye bye to the underworld.
I have been holding a response to your previous post, concerning Elizabeth, Leicester, and Robert Essex, have to look up the city of Narbonne.
Thank you, Latona.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 21, 2008 8:03:00 GMT -5
Greetings Latona,
On second glance, the women by the Lunar Deity/Baboon may not be a scribe. She seems to be holding a scroll, broken off, in her right hand, a sort of box in her left, and there is a loop around her legs, so maybe she holds the human history.
Once in a blue Moon uhh that's a cliché
Charlotte
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Post by ariston on Aug 21, 2008 10:00:57 GMT -5
Greetings Charlotte,
Thoth may well be the original Man in the Moon and perhaps a Bab-oon is called as such because of La Lune, which is an appelation regularly applied to me by certain family member's, La LOONY, without the La , to be more precise, how wrong can some people be.
If they would just ask me why, I would say it was my Djeuti. And why exactly is the 3 quarter phase called the GIBBOUS(on). All I can say is, Hear no evil, speak none and see none. The thrice great. All this monkeying around is driving me bananas, aswell as ape.
Light Latona
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 22, 2008 9:47:55 GMT -5
Greetings Latona, LOONY without the La would be "not" loony as in "normal", but that's wrong too. "In KHEM, Thoth was called DJEU-TI" that would work, and if Thoth was the original man in the Moon, then the women below the Baboon could be the gibbous third phase, and I wasn't so far off in saying that human history may be recorded in the scroll and box in her hands. It is actually Thoth who records the history, say the Philosophers, but women have an easier time talking, even if they don't know what they're talking about Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 26, 2008 7:41:53 GMT -5
The Stone of the Philosophers
From Bacon to Shakesespeare, to Thoth Djeuti, to the "Stone" in Plato's "mythical" Atlantis:
"The stone which was used in the work they quarried from underneath the centre island, and from underneath the zones, on the outer as well as the inner side. One kind was white, another black, and the third red, and as they quarried, they at the same time hollowed out double docks, having roofs formed out of native rock. Some of their buildings were simple, but in others they put together different stones, varying in colour to please the eye, and to be a natural source of delight.
"The entire circuit of the wall, which went round the outermost zone, they covered with a coating of brass, and the circuit of the next wall they coated with tin, and the third, which encompassed the citadel, flashed with the red light of orichalcum."
Golden flashes from Plato's mind off the coast of Heaven!
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Post by ariston on Sept 5, 2008 16:38:28 GMT -5
Greetings Charlotte, Regarding the Roanoke Manteo and Wanchese. These native Americans from the island of Roanoke in south Chesapeake, were the first to journey to London. The history of the first colonies is mainstream history and can be widely found, deeper analysyis into the tale reveals the origin of the major areas in Ronoake, Manteo and Wanchese. What is not so well known. The first voyage, under an Elizabethan Charter was undertaken by Sir Humphrey Gilbert, Half brother to Sir Walter Raleigh and brother to Adrian. Adrian was court Alchemist to the Countess of Pembroke, and she was the sister to Sir Phillip Sidney and niece to Dudley. The Gilberts, Ralegh were frequenters at Syon House, The residence of The Duke of Northumberland,as was Spenser and Marlowe. This group overlapped wih Dee's associates at nearby Mortlake house. One such fellow was Thomas Harriot. He was a mathematician who founded the english school of Algebra. On Ralegh's insistence he joined further voyages, and it was he who first deciphered the dialect of Manteo and Wanchese, later on enabling amicable relations to take place, which eventually led to Manteo being baptised and named Lord of Roanoke. A lot of this work was undertaken within the confines of Ralegh's abode, Durham House. Harriot later on established a laboratory at Syon House. Harriot was also an associate of John Dee, but then the voyages could not have taken place but for the investment of private parties, largely from the landed gentry and merchant guilds and much networking must have been accomplished. It is not wrong to conclude that the first voyages could not have been undertaken without the help of individuals connected to these two houses. Whereas it may have also been largley expected and accepted that the plundering of Spanish ships was par for the course. In later times John NEWPORT was accorded a degree of fame for capturing the great portugese ship MADRE DE DIOS, generating the greatest plunder of the century. It was on later voyage, under Captain John White, that the first child of the colonies was born, on Roanoke, Virginia dare. Statue in Roanoke. She was also the maternal grandchild of John White. The fate of the Roanoke colony is somewhat of a Mary Celeste story, for after 3 years, John White returned to Roanoke, only to find adandonment. Light Latona
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Post by Don Barone on Sept 5, 2008 20:36:26 GMT -5
Very interesting posting !
cheers Don Barone
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Post by ariston on Sept 6, 2008 17:21:55 GMT -5
Greetings Don, Charlotte, Just trying to take my example from you Don. The foundation of the colonies, all typically english names, Raleigh in North Carolina, named so after the sponsorer of the Lost colony at Roanoke. Newport news in Virginia, named after John Newport, Virginia after Elizabeth, on the west side of Norfolk is the Elizabeth river. Norfolk named as such after a colonist named Adam Thoroughgood from Kings Lynn in Norfolk. Most of these cities were founded in the 18th century. I suppose one climax of this would be the foundation of Washington and luminaries of the founding fathers, who never severed their ties with the London. One point in Genesis for the American Masonic Republic lays with the idea's and philosophies gleaned by the leading lights of the Elizabethan age, especially those connected with the Protestant Dukes in Germany and those luminaries who extolled the Rosicrucian ideals without ever admitting to being a Rosicrucian or ever having been one for that matter. You cannot help feel that a select group of people of the time, were smiling at the furore they caused, Andrae particularly, he who was inspired by the investiture of Frederick Mumpellgart as a Garter Knight. All the Freemasons of the generation after extolled the Rosicrucian philosophy, which in itself could be termed as a form a fusionist belief which bridged the schismatic gap between Judaism and Christianity, with underlying symbolism of an Egyptian flavour, elements of the truth and not some literalist hogwash. Indeed, it was Elias Ashmole himself, one of the earliest Freemason's who wrote a later account of Mumpellgart's ceremony to become a garter knight. Spenser was the emissary, he who frequented Syon House as did Ralegh and the Gilbert's amongst others. Another early Freemason was Robert Moray, so instrumental in the foundation of the Royal society, presided over affairs that were started primarily by the heidelbergian Theodre Haak, an exile from the days of the winter king, Frederick of the Palatinate, remembering that at his marital celebration to Elizabeth Stuart in the middle Temple, the play the Tempest was shown, these celebrations were funded by Bacon himself. Wherein the leading lights of Henry the Eighths time undertook the Great an grand tour, that saw some of them end up in Ficino's Florentine Academy, Linacre, Colet, More. This laid the early foundations. According to Thomas sprat, the Chronicler to the foundations of the Royal Society, the former Invisible college, it was one man that stood a shoulder above the rest; Him under the shadow of the wings, the instaurator himself, FB. Latona
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 7, 2008 12:06:06 GMT -5
Let me count the ways to thank you, Latona!
Small talk to your privious post concerning the Voyages
Before any of the voyages to Virginia were undertaken, Sir Francis Bacon and Confidants worked out the Colonization Scheme for The New Atlantis.
"... the voyages could not have taken place but for the investment of private parties, largely from the landed gentry and merchant guilds (yes many) and much networking must have been accomplished."
Founded in 1606, the Virginia Company had "8 promoters, who did not include Bacon.
The Second Charter of 1609 "lists a great many shareholders from diverse walks of life", according to Hariot some "city dwellers - of a nice bringing up". At that time also, there was a Council of 52 members, modernly Board of Directors, and "Bacon is named both a shareholder and Council member." It was also at this time Thomas Gates and George Somer sailed.
I repeat from "National Treasure"
"On July 15, 1610, Sir Thomas Gates left Virginia to return to England. He brought with him an extemely long letter of 20,000 words (more like a long pamphlet or short book) from Strachey to an unnamed and unidentified Lady who cannot have been a member of the all male Council." Gates then "no doubt passed the letter to the Lady addressee who must have handed it over to the Council."
Queen Elizabeth died in 1603, the only Lady I can think of is the illustrious Countess of Pembroke, "one of the most educated women in England, comparable only to " the Queen, a close friend of Dee and Giordano Bruno?, who had her own alchemical laboratory, where Adrian Gilbert assisted her. "Adrian Gilbert designed her garden at Wilton House in a "heavely geometric and symbolic nature in which it was possible to read "both divine and moral emembrances." This speaks volumes.
According to mainstream history, after Humphrey Gilbert returned to England in 1570, "he turned his attention to the Netherlands", and the rest of his "life was spent in a series of failed ship expeditions he backed Martin Frobisher's trip to Greenland, which yielded a cargo of mysterious yellow stones, subsequently found worthless." Like Francis Bacon, Humphrey Gilbert, also involved in alchemy, was honored with a "Newfoundland Stamp."
Very interesting is the "first child born of English parents in the New World, Virginia Dare", daughter of John and Elinor White Dare", or "Virginia dare" as you spell it, born "under Captain John White."
Even more important, on August 22, 1587, "John White returns to England for more supplies leaving a thriving colony. Seven assistans are left in charge with strict instructions that if the colonists should decide to leave the fort, they would carve their destination on a tree and add a Maltese cross if they had to leave because of attack." Wasn't Raleigh's ship called "The Falcon"?
The Londoners blown by a mighty Tempest to Virginia.
The luminaries of the founding fathers never severed their ties with the London.
Raleigh "the sponsorer of the lost colony at Roanoke".
Charlotte
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Post by ariston on Sept 7, 2008 20:46:24 GMT -5
Greetings Charlotte, Let me count the ways to thank you...1,2,3...... Marie Herbert, nee Sidney was Phillip's sister, he died in the Netherlands, and Dee was on one of Frobisher's voyages. Please peruse this extended genealogy which highlights the tenuous relationship between the Thomas Gates and The name Newport, wherein Thomas was on the Bermudan wreck with Somer's and Chris Newport, Chris maybe related to the Newport Hattons. FB could fit on this tree quite easily, on two accounts; Have you seen these coins before, from Somer's Island, they match the crest's of the Bacon's, with the Boar, recalling the post you sent me regarding the roseate youth and the Boar at the Tavern, the same post that provided inspiration. The Bacon crests, the b&w is Nicholas's Mediocra Firma= Moderate things are surest The other day birth index reference for a Francis Bacon, Son Of Francis Bacon/ Alice Barnham , the place of birth was Bermuda. The info on file was scant, other than that. Light Latona
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 9, 2008 9:05:58 GMT -5
Greetings Latona,
See if I can put something together here:
"Dee was on one of Frobisher's (=happy be a fisher) voyages" would confirm my thoughts of the cargo of mysterious yellow rocks, later found worthless.
Telling also is the account that Raleigh heard of a "Golden City" in 'South America', ventured to find it but never did, but "published an exaggerated account of his experiences that contributed to the legend of El Dorado".
His second attempt to find the Golden City, in 1616, was also unsuccessful. And, Humphrey Gilbert, who backed Martin Frobisher's trip to Greenland", sailing "in pursuit of one of his own projects - from Plymouth for America in November 1578 with 7 vessels in his fleet, which was scattered by storms and forced back to port some 6 month later, the only vessel to have penetrated the Atlantic to any great distance was the Falcon under Raleigh's command."
One has to wonder why they would let themselves be tossed about by storms for 6 long month before turning back, the seaworthiness of the ships and ample supplies, and the wording that only the Falcon penetrated the Atlantic to any great distance", not arriving anywhere nor turning back is open-ended. I could interpret this much different. All these personages seemed to be on about one and the same voyage. Like me.
Sir Christopher Hatton, one of the Queens favorite, and his nephew, Sir William Newport/Hatton, may have been the reason for the actor Christopher Plummer being the grandfather of Benjamin Gates, Knight, in "National Treasure", his mother Helen Mirran, who played Elizabeth I and II. Names being what they are, and the overall story of both movies, shows coherent planning, connections are to be found everywhere, it just takes reall getting into it.
I have seen the "Hog Coin" before, can't recall where at the moment, if anything, but it "revealed" to me why Wilbur was called "the greatest Hog in history", who towered over the "County Fair."
Yes, it is the Nicholas Bacon Crest, but the emblem of THE CONTESSE OF PEMBROKES ARCADIA, "written by Sir Philip Sidney, Knight, Anno Domini. 1593, and "carefully corrected" in the emblem of the Faerie Qheen by E. Spencer, shows two Boars, one idential to the coin, the other "brissled."
Interesting, "the other birth index reference for a Francis Bacon, Son of Bacon/Alice Barnham, the place of birth was Bermuda", the information on file being scant probably because scholars don't know what to make of it. As far as I know Francis and Alice had no children, and the birthplace beeing Bermuda? HUH!
This "Hog Coin", from Somer's Island, matching the crest's of the Bacon's, indeed recalls the roseate youth, for no one in this world was ever more inspiring nor sweeter than sweet, but he.
Charlotte
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Post by Aurora on Sept 9, 2008 19:01:56 GMT -5
by the Golden City do you mean "Norumbega" ?
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 10, 2008 8:52:47 GMT -5
Hi Aurora,
In all legends, it seems to be the same elusive city of Gold. Concerning Norumbega, apparently Professor Horsford, a chemist, reformulated baking powder and struck it rich.
"Horsford embellished the story further by combining the Viking explorations with the legendary city of Norumbega. The story is largely forgotten now, but Norumbega once figured with Ophir, El Dorado, and the seven cities of Cibola in the ranks of legendary golden cities."
It seems to be one and the same legendary city under different names. In "National Treasure: Book of Secrets", Ben Gates and Co. found a clue which led them to Cibola, which they then found at Mt. Rushmore.
Charlotte
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Post by ariston on Sept 13, 2008 14:44:53 GMT -5
Greetings Charlotte/Aurora, Something else to look at.... Meanwhile, may I direct your attention towards to concordance in symbolism between the Coat of Arms of Sir George Somers and the Reverse Great Seal. Both sport he Olive branch of Athene, and besides Wisdom, she is also the Goddess of Military discipline, rather than the military lust of Ares. FOY TOUSIERS VERD=Faith Ever Green. The crescents on the coat may actually be eclipse's, there are 12. The Golden Armour, Helm and Spears and shield are indicative of martial practice, indeed, the symbols of Pallas Athene are those selfsame symbols. ......Grey eyed Athene beckoned to Telemachus "be thou prepared Telemachus" she then turned and departed the ship in the guise of a Great Eagle. The Boar on the Somer's coin and the Bacon crest is reminiscent of the Erymanthian Boar from he 12 labours of Herakles, similarly the Golden Hinde of Christopher Hatton could be analogious with another of he 12 labours; The Hind of Cerynaia, this Hinde had golden horns and Bronze hooves, an animal sacred to the Huntress Diana, her special pet. Pallas Athene by Parmigianino 1531-1538 FOY TOUSIERS VERD Light Latona
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Post by Aurora on Sept 13, 2008 15:40:53 GMT -5
amazing Latona synchro has it that the color green has been all over my mind recently on multiple levels.... green clothes I got, green background paintings I made the last no later than today, evergreens to replace 2 trees in the garden which have to go, the link in your thread on the GHF speaking of the twin Jesus tomb in Japan I had seen the story in an article signed Twyman which by analogy made me think to Nicholas de Vere (green = vert in french so same phonetic) and then your gorgeous coat of arms with these scrumptious shades of green associated with gold (green and gold colors of the Pharaohs)...... :-)
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Post by Aurora on Sept 13, 2008 15:55:55 GMT -5
addenda - the name TWYMAN (not Tracy) but a Doctor translator is really fitting TWIN MAN............. so my analogy with DE VERE is just that an analogy and not linked as far as I know with this Dr TWYMAN unless it is the same family than Tracy......
isn't that life interesting ? ;-)
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 13, 2008 18:38:23 GMT -5
Greetings Latona, Aurora and All, Knightly Coat of Arms indeed, must peruse the post tomorrow. I agree with you, Aurora, that green is a very pleasing color. I work in Palos Verdes=green landscape/expanse, but you didnt say anything about my yellow/golden "Da Vinci Canvas" and the Florentine "Sienna", a deep crimson, at the elegant Savoy Hotel Ben and Riley stayed. Charlotte
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Post by ariston on Sept 13, 2008 20:55:23 GMT -5
Greetings Charlotte/Aurora, Synchronicities all around then, I just saw an old previous post regarding a ShaStar that was devised for/by the De vere family, then read about De Vere on Charlotte's web, this was all happenchance, but their is a De Vere connection, so it should come as no surprise that the name pops up now and again. Aurora, my thought's mimic your words, I was pondering about the Red, Gold and Green earlier today, which ties all colours in nicely, change the red to Sienna, or even Burgundy, my favourite. Palos VERDES indeed, More like Pallas Verdes....Just saw a few pictures of it, all I can say is I wish I was there rather than here..Oh yeah!!! looks fantastic, I doubt I could afford the house prices though. Eagles, aswell as owls and Smaragdana seem to be conducive to Ol grey eyes. Botticelli Light Latona
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Post by Aurora on Sept 14, 2008 0:42:34 GMT -5
Hello Charlotte, Latona,
Pls forgive me Charlotte for forgetting expressing my thoughts about your favorite colors which happen to be mine as well - In fact almost all my furniture are unpainted raw pine woods of "honey" color (light sienna) I have a hard time to paint because I love the grain of wood and color so much that I will have to talk myself into staining in the same color instead to be able to paint lightly on top in the italian style...... almost all the carpetting in my house is of curly honey color too and in the solarium the panelling is golden brown-sienna hues...... my favorite red is red earth which is close that is for the big things - the other colors give the accents on my "poussin yellow walls" that is the green, blues, copper, gold and other hues... So you see I have favorite colors for each aspect of house decoration which is to say I love all colors with a "transcendant quality" and earth tones was the secret gesso recipe of some enlightened master painters as underlaying their paintings....... we are in good company...
Latona I just happened to browse some of my notepads and stumbled on this one I thought you would enjoy :
If I keep a green bough in my heart, the singing bird will come.” (Chinese Proverbs)
“Green is the prime color of the world, and that from which its loveliness arises.” (Pedro Calderon de la Barca)
“When the voices of children are heard on the green, / And laughing is heard on the hill, / My heart is at rest within my breast, / And everything else is still.” (William Blake)
“All theory, dear friend, is gray, but the golden tree of life springs ever green.” (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)
“If you refuse to be made straight when you are green, you will not be made straight when you are dry” (African Proverb)
“For in the true nature of things, if we rightly consider, every green tree is far more glorious than if it were made of gold and silver.” (Martin Luther)
“The tree which moves some to tears of joy is in the eyes of others only a green thing that stands in the way. Some see nature all ridicule and deformity... and some scarce see nature at all. But to the eyes of the man of imagination, nature is imagination itself.” (William Blake)
“.............she pined in thought, And with a green and yellow melancholy She sat like patience on a monument, Smiling at grief” (William Shakespeare)
“The world is sweet in the heart, and green to the eye; and verily God hath brought you, after those who went before you: then look to your action, and abstain from the world of wickedness” Muhammad quotes ( Religious leader, prophet of Islam )
“Lord, keep my memory green.” (Charles Dickens)
“When you're green, your growing. When you're ripe, you rot.” (Ray Kroc)
“Hedges between keep friendships green.” (Proverb )
Interesting the synchro with the Shastar as I have seen the clue was picked up on the GHF and you got the asian version of it :-)
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 14, 2008 12:09:08 GMT -5
Sunday Greetings,
Eagles, owls, golden and Hog coins, strange creatues, colors and what have we, everywhere. I was just kidding, Aurora, about you not having mentioned my colors, the greens here are gorgeous, especially smaragd. Thanks for the meaningful quotations, Aurora.
Yes, Palos Verdes is called Paradise here, the real estate is pricey, but they say it's a buyers market, Latona. It must be getting colder now in London, I imagine.
Whether "The Statue of Liberty", or the "Statue of Freedom" atop the Capitol Building in Washington DC, the "beehive", Athena is recognized. On the latter, her helmet a fearless eagle - "challenge me" attitude, is surrounded by 12 stars representing the Zodiac. It is surmounted by an eagle in protective, yet alert pose, surveying the lay of the land. An other helmet of hers depicts a sprouting of leaves almost identical to those on Somer's Coat of Arms. On an older version of the "Great Seal of the State of California", Athena with her emblems is shown seated, a boar and Hermes with winged helmet and Caduseus by her side. Everybody knows Athena was the Muse of our beloved Francis.
Your note on Telemachus, "born and brought up favored by the gods", brings to mind this unusual painting of a great and fierce sea-eagle I mentioned before. Better, it never left it, is impressed on it, but it was "bright-eyed" Athena:
"Would that bright-eyed Athena should care to love you as once she cherished mighty Ulysses in the Land of the Trojans, where we Achaeans suffered woes -- for I never saw the Gods showing such open affection as Pallas Athena stood by him for all to see."
In the Symbolism of Washington DC, "Athena was also the goddess of wisdom and war, two characteristics of the Lincoln presidency. Importantly, Lincoln was the 16th president of the United States, a number that is exremely significant to Masons."
The "Hog Money", is a major and controversial subject of the current presidental election process known as "pork barrel spending", misuse of funds in the beehive. I am glad this coin exists, the first coin ever minted said "mind your own business", lol, I think by Franklin, who also designed the rattle snake flag "don't thread on me". The great Franklin!
DC again. Persephone of virgin birth, according to Proclus, of Plato's Academy, became the Virgin Mary in the 4th century AD. She was "Libera", the same "Freedom" statue on the Capitol building:
"She stands 19 feet 6 inches, which works out to 6+6+6 feet, and 6+6+6 inches. Persephone was placed on the Dome of the Capitol on December 2, 1863 in the middle of the Civil War. The event was marked by a salute of 47 gunshots as a tribute to John Carroll, the Jesuit bishop who had put Washington DC under Mary's protection. (John Carroll had died 47 years earlier on December 3, 1816.) The Statue of Persephone (or Mary) was placed on the Dome 47 years after John Carroll's last day on earth."
And, the signers of the Declaration of Independence "possessed many basic similarities. Most were American-born and of Anglo-Saxon origin. The eight foreign born... were all natives of the British Isles. Exept for Charles Carroll, a Roman Catholic, and a few Deists, every one subscribed to Protestantism."
Now John Carroll is Charles Carroll, both Catholics, in NT 1, the man who, in 1832, urgently needed to see Andrew Jackson to tell him a secret. Jackson was not in the White House, so Carroll told the secret to young Thomas Gates, the coach driver. Aha, we may be the first to know what's on page 47 in the secret book only Presidents are privy too.
Charlotte
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Post by ariston on Sept 14, 2008 18:25:22 GMT -5
Greetings Charlotte and Aurora, You quote Luther and mention Melancholy, this ties in with Johannes Reuchlin's great nephew, Phillip Melancthon, a friend of Martin Luther. Green and yellow melancholy reminds me of Albrecht Durer's Melancholy, 12th night, I have readit recently. I cycle past William Blake's grave site regularly, it is in a place called Bunhill fields. The Green Ribbon'd Cabal. Persephone!! One of the 3, the other 2 being Rhea and Demeter, shall I go on ad nauseum 'bout fertility and such, which can be accorded the colour Sienna and Green, vegetation and Blood, essential to life. You pre-empt me Charlotte, whilst looking for the Smaragdine Athena, I came across the DAY-DREAM and BRIDE, by Dante Gabriel Rossetti, he is actually one of my Fave's and as far as captivating imagery goes, he rate's with Raphael, in my books, pre-raphaelite a befitting appellation. I digress.....He is also the painter of the best derivation of Persephone, who is beside his Sybilla....in her Scarlet Robes....Indicative of you know who, whereas Rhea's primary colour is that, the g-mother of Persephone Image such as these would be worthy adornments for anyone's home and appreciated beyond reckoning in the right one. Latona
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