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Post by Charlotte on Jun 22, 2006 9:01:10 GMT -5
One more mention of Hamlet's fathers ghost.
Dodd writes of Francis, who was sent to France at the age of sixteen:
"When passions fan out in most men, poetry fans out in him. Old when a child, he seems to grow younger as he grows in years. Yet with all his wisdom he is not to be too old to be a dreamer. While busy with his books in Paris, he gives ear to a ghostly intimation of his fathers death."
On the 17th or 18th of February 1579, in a dream, Francis saw Gorhambury, home of his foster father Sir Nicholas Bacon "plastered all over with black mortar instead of the white plaster with which it's walls were faced." Peter Dawkins.
In a foot note to the first paragraph Dodd says:
"This significant fact has never been appreciated at its full value. Very late in life Francis Bacon recalls the incident that made so profound an impression on him. He wanted the students of his life to understand that he was A PSYCHIC and that he was attuned to higher vibrations of thought and power than the normal ones which impinge upon the ordinary five senses."
Arghhh I dislike the term "psychic" associated with Bacon for obvious reasons, but in Dodd's time it may have not had the degenerate connotation is has today. With Bacon it was other than psychic, or clairvoyant, another word used thoughtlessly. Both are used by commentators as if they were needed to explain some of the Play's contents they can't explain.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jun 28, 2006 8:35:55 GMT -5
Shfordus in Rome?
"During the years 1576-7, Sir Amyas Paulet and Francis Bacon, with the ambassadorial train, went on tour with the French Court visiting Blois, Poictiers, and other places." He traveled through Calais, Rouen, Orleans, Tours, Rheims, Bordeaux etc.
"His independent tours took him to Spain, Italy, Germany, Vienna, Padua, Verona, Florence, if not on the first visit to the Continent, (then) on his second in 1581-2." (Dodd)
There is "abundant prove that during his stay on the Continent, he did not neglect literary and scientific pursuits." (Macaulay)
"A letter from Sir Thomas Bodley indicates - that he (Francis) and his "friends" were paying his expenses." Early on Francis Bacon had found "friends", among them "Ronsard and his band of idealists" to form his Society. (Dodd)
It cannot be the actor Shaksper having stayed in Rome under the name of Shfordus, for there is no record that he ever left England. Madam Deventer writes that the actor "was not numbered among the players who were granted leave of absence for the Continent, to accompany the Earl of Leicester. This troupe produced Hamlet at Antwerp in 1586." The name Shfordus makes me smile, it seems to me like a humorous expression during a happy and great conspiracy in the making.
Francis Bacon, reports Toby Matthew, was a friend of the Grand Duke of Tuscany, Cosimo de Medici, and Rome and Venice are not far from Florence.
In a think piece Bacon writes:
"For it is strange to see, now in Europe, such high buildings as the Vatican and Escurial and others be, and yet scarce a very fair room in them."
"Of Factions" in Christendom, he writes:
"The even carriage between the two factions proceedeth not always of moderation, but of a trueness of a man's self, with an end to make use of both. Certainly in Italy, they hold it little suspect in popes, when they have often in the mouth Padre commune, and take it to be a sign of one that meaneth to refer all to the greatness of his own house."
Obviously, Bacon the Diplomat is referring in the least to high buildings and houses of concrete, but in the most to what he thinks of the Catholic Church.
Maybe it was Anthony, in Rome, under Shfordus!
Madam Deventer:
"And now turning to the friendship between Essex and Francis, let it be mentioned that in 1592 Anthony Bacon returned from the Continent, and that from this time on, the friendship of these three men assumed an intimate character.
"The many dispatches which were at this period exchanged with Francis and came under Essex charge, Francis and Anthony assisted him in deciphering. Cipher correspondence between these three friends is also in evidence during this period, showing that the three men exchanged secrets among themselves."
Francis and Toby Matthews were frinds through thick and thin, Sir Toby also sojourning in Italy, and, writes Madam Deventer, Francis "corresponded with him liberally regarding his literary works. As a pledge of their friendship Francis sent him an essey: "On Friendship." Matthews, who on his travels met many eminent savants, ever supplied his friend with the latest works, and reported to him by letter conversations on scientific subjects."
A stupendous plan was in the making, codes and ciphers were used in "the battle of wits -- on scientific subjects," and not just plain old science, so to speak, and "the cleverest cipher expert of Europe is known to have been Francis Bacon." Smile. He learned it in "the three years in France -- the most valuable of his life--and his subsequent literary eminence may be traced to his long sojourn in a foreign country." Hamlet tells Horatio that since he has been to France he has been continually practicing his "fencing skills."
Countries spying on each other communicated State affairs by codes and cipher. "Queen Elizabeth Tudor was the first to introduce a secret service and to establish the original 'Room 40.' Francis Bacon, Anthony Bacon and the Earl of Essex were the heads of a hidden organization which streched out all over the Continent and gave the Government prompt, first-hand information in code." (Dodd)
Francis, involved in affairs of State and his more delightful philosophical work, was always broke, pardon me, Lord Bacon. Anthony, the "Noble Merchant of Venice", helped him out many times, and Essex, having discovered the Spanish conspiracy against Elizabeth, and in her favor at the time "exerted himself actively to secure for Francis a better income through a higher office, but Elizabeth remained deaf to his recommendation."
That's why Hamlet was frustrated, but like him, Francis stood his ground as best as he could with his mother. He had voted against her wishes to allocate funds in case the Spanish attack, said to give it more time, was told to write a letter of apology, but wrote that his differing with the Lords of Parliment "was but in circumstances of Time and Manner, which methinks should be no greater Matter, since there is Variety allowed in Cauncil, as a discord in Musick, to make it more perfect."
His reply at once as a Statesman and Philosopher with a twinkle in his eye and tongue in cheek, and Poet, but not because of the "methinks."
Charlotte
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Post by BERNHARD on Jun 28, 2006 11:28:04 GMT -5
DEAR ALL, top-news concerning the death of brown-bear BRUNO: he was killed by two bullets according to a very recent (autopsy)-examination of the "tierpathologischen" ( animal-pathological (?) ) instutite of Munich : one shot hit the Bear's heart, one shot hit the lungs ! a female (indirect) witness stated, that she heard of three shots. well, if so, this third shot may have killed a tree ..... and as i still assumed, there are now strong rumors, that Bruno was hunted, not by normal ("einheimische") hunter, living and working there, but by a special team of gun-men ( police task forces ?? ) on demand of the local governement ! --- well, that's for today: Bernie ***************************************************
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 7, 2006 7:59:40 GMT -5
Like his Queen, William Cecil the Elder had his own far-reaching system of espionage, and in Hamlet they spy together.
Robert Cecil the Younger, was sent to France in1584, returned the same year, and again in1586, and as Earl of Salisbury "was exensively involved in matters od security."
In Hamlet, Polonius/William Cecil sends his servant Reynaldo to Paris to spy on his son Laertes/Robert Cecil, and also to give him money and documents.
A commentator observes: "Significantly for the play, Polonius' mistrust of his son is echoed later by King Claudius' distrust of his "son" Hamlet. (sometimes Hamlet is the son, sometimes the nephew, in real life Francis was the nephew of Cecil)) Later when we see King Claudius (being either Leicester or his wife the Queen) using spies on Hamlet to discover his intentions we see a parallel with Polonius, the King Claudius' Lord Chamberlain (who was William Cecil or Lord Burghley) who does the exact same thing to his son, a reflection perhaps of the suspicion, mistrust and deception and espionage that occurs in this play."
This is how transparent the Play is, an obvious parallel to the Court life and the persons closely connected with it. Since the commentators are aware of this play within a play, I sometimes wonder if the Elizabethan Court comes to their minds without making a connection, or they just ignore the connection as a fantasy of the Baconians.
In real life, William Cecil gives this advice to his son Robert:
"Be sure to keep some great men thy friend, but trouble him not with trifles. Compliment him often, present him with many yet small gifts and of little charge. If you give him a great gift, let it be some such gift as may be daily in his sight."
William and Robert Cecil are described perfectly in Hamlet.
Charlotte
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Post by BERNHARD on Jul 7, 2006 8:33:59 GMT -5
Dear Charlotte, and what is the connection of Francis Bacon to William Cecil ( you know it, i am sure, but for Others here) ? the sister of Francis Bacon's mother ( lady Ann Cooke ), Mildred Cooke, became the (2.) wife of William Cecil. and exactly this William Cecil ( the LORD BURGHLEY ) was the man, ( of course besides the father of Francis, Sir Nicholas Bacon), who helped and assisted Francis Bacon to start his political carreer ! ( so shortly after 1580 ) ...... regards: Bernie
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 10, 2006 7:47:22 GMT -5
Francis Bacon and William Cecil/Lord Burghley
Mildred and Anne Cooke were sisters, William Cecil married Mildred, and Nicholas Bacon married Anne, which makes William Cecil the uncle, and his son Robert Cecil the cousin of Francis Bacon. BUT, the Bacon's were the foster parents of Francis, so they are not blood related.
Francis Bacon was the legitimate son of Elizabeth I and Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester, who were "secretly married on January 21, 1561, in the house of Lord Pembrook before a number of witnesses", recorded in the "Dictionary of National Biography." (Madam Deventer)
Robert, their second son, was born in 1567 and adopted by Walter and Lettice Devereux/Essex, and you may remember, the real father of Francis and Robert, Robert Dudley/Leicester, married the widowed Lettice secretly while married to the Queen, and what is more, Lettice and the Queen were cousins. Also, some historians have the Queen and her favorite son Robert Essex lovers, and Hamlet makes much adoe about incest in this and other worlds. It is very difficult to "pluck out my (his) mystery."
William Cecil did not assist Francis Bacon in his political career but sabotaged it actively while Elizabeth's chief minister, just like Polonius in Hamlet tries to convince the King and Queen that Hamlet is mad. Francis himself complains about his uncertain station in letters to the Queen, to his uncle William Cecil, and other personages over and again. Please see post #26 on page 2.
Madame Deventer:
"From the time when Francis resumed his law studies in Gray's Inn, untill he became an "Utter Barrister", he had experienced the greatest hardships through Cecil, who from the outset opposed his efforts to secure a government office. With great tenacity, Cecil persued his purpose to keep Francis away from the Queen."
Appropriate coincidence
On Saturday I surfed into one of those 16th century European Court movies where language alone makes me put down the remote. I don't know the name of the film because it was not shown on the screen at the end. It was in a fairy tale mode, very funny and with some interesting points, I thought.
The place was France, the plot dealing with the French Court. The main figure was a mostly down to earth Prince Henry the which'th was not given, who fell in love with, he thought, a girl of nobility called Danielle, who was actually a peasant girl whose father left her a precious book and her mother left her a pair of jewel incrusted shoes. Close to Dorothy.
Danielle's evil stepsister's name was Marguerite, and her wicked stepmother's name was Countess probably de Medici. Danielle's other stepsister was a just and honorable girl who helped da Vinci sabotage the plan of wicked Marguerite and her calculating mother to trap Prince Henry.
And there was da Vinci, portrayed a happy go lucky magician, robe and white cap of maintenance untied on his venerable head. Da Vinci had made for himself two little boats for shoes (like snowshoes) with which he walked on the lake, I couldn't stop laughing at this walking in shoeboats, toward Danielle who was relax-swimming on her back enjoying the beautiful day. She saw da Vinci and screemed and he of course fell into the lake remarking that he should leave walking on water to our Lord.
Then the servants of the Manor tried frantically to open a lock to a room in which the stepmother had locked Danielle while she and her daughter Marguerite had tea with Prince Henry's mother, the Queen, waiting for the Prince, but could not. Da Vinci happened to come along and just took the lock off, upon which all the bystanders talked with admiration about a great miracle he had done. "Yeas", he quipped, I shall go down in history as the man who opened the door." Considering the signs of the times, very interesting, but for all I know the movie was made decades ago.
Da Vinci also painted a beautiful portrait of Danielle, saved her and Prince Henry's love, they got married and invited the gypsies who were important because mentioned several times with purpose, and the horrible stepmother and sister were shipped to the Americas LOL.
But, the most interesting person in the film was King Francis, though never shown, because, so to speak, Prince Henry was seldom found due to he was hiding in a secluded spot on the palace grounds with a book or meditating. He told Danielle he had done this since he was a child.
Maybe Don or his daughters know the name of the film, I really would like to see it again.
A great week to everyone.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 12, 2006 8:03:32 GMT -5
For convenience I'll repeat William Cecil's advice to his son Robert to compare with Polonius' words to his son Laertes.
"Be sure to keep some great men they friend, but trouble him not with trifles. Compliment his often, present him with many yet small gifts and of little charge. If you give him a great gift let it be some such thing as may be daily in his sight. Beware of sureyship -- yea, even for the best friend -- for he that payeth another man's debt seeketh his own destruction."
Yea, no good deed with intent goes unpunished. Clever and wise, Cecil as Polonius presents many yet small words of little charge, in Hamlet. His speach is confusing, irritating and overly complimentary, such as to the Queen
MY liege, and madam, to expostulate What majesty should be, what duty is, Why day is day, night, night, and time is time. Were nothing but to waste night, day, and time, Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit, And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes, I will be brief. Your noble son is mad. Mad call I it; for, to define true madness, What is't but to be nothing else but mad? But let that go.
Every now and then one can detect that Shakespeare spoke German.
The Queen tells him to use less art and Polonius "swears" he uses no art at all. No, Shakespeare uses no art but only matter in every sentence.
Hamlet
Laertes/Robert Cecil asks his father Polonius/William Cecil for permission to go back to France. As I stated, Robert Cecil went to France three times in matters of "state security." For shame?
Polonius. Yet here, Laertes? Aboard, aboard, for shame! The wind sits in the shoulder of your sail, And you are stay'd for. There, my blessing be with thee! And these few precepts for thy memory Look thou character. Give thy thoughts no tongue, Nor any unproportion'd thought his act. Be thou familiar, but by no means vulgar: Those friends thou hast, and their adoption tried, Grapple them onto thy soul with hoops of steel; But do not dull thy palm with entertainment Of each new hatch'd, unfledg'd courage. Beware Of entrance to a quarrel; but being in, Bear't that th' opposed may be beware of thee. Give every man thine ear, but few thy voice; Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgment. Costly thy habit as thy purse can buy, But not express'd in fancy; rich, not gaudy; For the apparel oft proclaims the man, And they in France of the best rank and station Are most select and generous, chief in that. Neither a borrower nor lender be; For loan oft looses both itself and friend, And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
Simon would say: a direct hit!
Polonius closes with the famous words
This above all -- to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Charlotte
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Post by BERNHARD on Jul 12, 2006 9:05:05 GMT -5
Dear Charlotte, very interesting annotations indeed ! some-text-passages reminds me on a person, speeking english with a german background. this may also happen to an english person, if it is in permanent contact with german people !? haha: for example with the Rosicrucian , which was founded in Germany ! Men in higher positions like Francis Bacon mostly had been involved in many activities or at least political contacts of so called "secret societies" like the Freemasonry, the Rosicrucians and others ! and being in contact with Rosicrucians, trying to establish this movement also in ENGLAND, Francis Bacon would have to learn the german language, to cooperate with some of the german leaders !? right ? so look here at: www.crcsite.org/bacon.htm ----- many greetings from a sunny bavaria, now facing some upcoming thunderstorms right now ! ---- Bernie
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 13, 2006 8:08:02 GMT -5
Ah yes Bernhard, I was almost there I don't know if you read all the posts but I do quote from the Rosicrucian Library at times in connection with Francis Bacon, and other subjects. The article "Shakespeare" on this forum is from their library. Whenever I am looking for information on anything I consult with the Rosicrucians, Bacon being the acknowledged founder, but it all started in France. I learned about this part somewhat differently from what you say in your post, mostly because of Fern, M.P. Hall, and my other teachers. As Mr. Baxter states, one has to be intimately acquainted with Bacon to recognize his style of writing: "I was twenty when this book was finished; but methinks I have outlived myself; I begin to be weary of the sun." This phrase duplicated in Macbeth "I 'gin to be weary of the sun", is also in Hamlet, to whom the Kings says How is it that the clouds still hang on you? Not so, my lord. I am too much i' th' sun. Says Hamlet. I see the physical sun rising out of the corner of my eye, it is ungodly hot in LA. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 17, 2006 8:23:08 GMT -5
Very nice article "Bacon & The Rose Cross" by the learned James Phinney Baxter, Bernhard, confirming many things I have said much to my delight But then it couldn't be any other way since two of my teachers were Rosicrucians in the first place. Alfred Dodd ""Morality Tales, and the Ancient Myths in which both parents (here Sir Nicholas and Lady Ann Bacon) were saturated; for the writings of Francis Bacon are steeped in the Ancient Wisdom which forms the background of the Royal Art Of Masonry." So far as I have learned and understand it, then, Francis Bacon re-established their lore in what he called his more delightful labors: the "Universal Reformation of the WHOLE WIDE WORLD", along with his open service to the Queen and State. He never practiced law per se. Remembering also that "Wilbur" is the greatest hog in history. Alfred Dodd on humor at the Bacon's "One story is recorded by Francis Bacon: A malefactor mightily importuning the Judge on the Northern Circuit, Sir Nicholas Bacon, to save his life ... desired mercy on account of kindred. "Prethee," said my Lord the Judge, "How come that in?" "Why if it please your Lordship, your name is Bacon and mine is Hog, and in all ages Hog and Bacon have been so near kindred that they should not be seperated." "Ay!" replied Judge Bacon, "but you and I cannot be kindred except you be HANGED, for Hog is not Bacon until it will be HANGED." "This story is alluded to in the Shakespeare Play Mary Wives. "Hing, hang dog; HANG-HOG is Latin for Bacon, I warrant you." "In many respects "Mr. Francis" was fortunate to be reared in the house of a great civil servant and a very solid type of politician, where quips, jests and word-play were part of the mental atmosphere. He slowly developed into a little philosopher, but he was a "Laughing Philosopher" and not a grave one of severe mean. The academic picture that he was from his cradle a solem little prig is ludicrously false. Many of his biographers cannot believe that he was once a healthy little boy who romped, laughed and played, naturally becoming infected with the home atmosphere of mirth. The real truth is well expressed by Dr. Abbott: "Francis was probably indebted to Sir Nicholas Bacon for his placid self-control and his rich humour.""Later in life these quizzical characteristics--born with him and stimulated into expression by a congenial environment--became so pronounced that Ben Jonson wrote this tribute to his jesting wit: His language was nobly censorious when he could pass by a Jest. What man is it who can say of himself that at the age of twenty has "outlived himself"? Indeed, as it is said, it would take all the libraries in the world to answer this problem. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 18, 2006 8:14:37 GMT -5
I like it much better here. Said the Prophet Mohamed: "Improve yourself today and everything around you will improve tomorrow." Something like that.
In the article "Bacon & the Rose Cross", Mr. Baxter relates:
"In commenting upon Bacon's "Atlantis," Spedding justly says:--
Perhaps there is no single work of his which has so much of himself in it. The description of Solomon's House is the description of the vision in which he lived--the vision not of an ideal world released from the natural condition to which ours is subject, but of our own as it might be made if we did our duty by it, of a state of things which he believed would one day be actually seen upon this earth, such as it is, by men such as we are, and the coming of which he believed that his own labors were sensibly hastening."
The Poet
These words of Francis I marked with "Beauty" and a big star. Mr. Dodd says they are for Marguerite of Navarro.
"My Music. . . . How I envy those Jacks that nimbly leap to kiss they Hand!
"To me, Fair Friend, you can never be old, for as you were when first your Eye I eyed, such seems the beauty still: Three Winters cold have from the Forests shook Three Summer's Pride; Three beauteous Springs to Yellow Autumn turned in process of the Seasons I have seen. Three April perfumes in three hot Junes burned since I saw you Fresh which yet are Green. . . . Hear this, thou Age unbred: Ere you were born was Beauty's Summer dead."
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 22, 2006 9:10:29 GMT -5
The Rosicrucian James Phinney Baxter writes intersting things in the aforementioned article. More on it later.
Young Hamlet is instructed by Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, "the indifferent children of the earth" who are "happy in that we are not over-happy", neither live "on Fortune's cap" but "are not the very bottom", nor do they live "on the soles of her shoe", but "about the waist or in the middle of her favours" Hamlet surmises, and Guildenstern remarks that they are the "privates (of) her Faith."
Francis Bacon writes:
"In obidience to the everlasting Love of Truth, I have committed myself to the uncertainties and difficulties and solitude of our ways . . . relying on Divine Assistance . . . in the hope of providing at least for the Present and Future GENERATION GUIDANCE--more faithful and secure."
Hamlet tells Guildenstern that he knows "the good King and Queen have sent for you."
Rosencrantz. To what end my lord?
Hamlet. That you must teach me. But let me conjure you by the rights of our fellowship, by the consonancy of our youth, by the obligation of our ever present love, and by what more dear proposer can charge you withal, be even and direct with me, whether you were sent for or no.
Rosencrantz looks at Guildenstern: What say you?
Hamlet. Nay then, I have an eye for you. - If you love me, hold not off.
Hamet sees/knows his teachers and is eager to hear.
Guildenstern. My Lord, we were sent for.
By whom? Hamlet himself "conjures" them by the rights of the Rosicrucian Fellowship, by Bacon's same words as Hamlet's of the obligation of his ever present love for humanity, to charge him and teach him.
My lord, we were sent for.
"I will tell you why" says Hamlet.
So shall my anticipation prevent your discovery, and your secrecy to the King and Queen moult no feather. I have of late - but wherefore I know not - lost all my mirth, forgone all my costum and exercises; and indeed, it goes so heavenly with me with my disposition that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promotory; this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire -- why, it appeareth nothing to me but a foul and pestilent congregation of vapors.
So it appeareth the phenomenal universe from where Lord Bacon lived and other exalted minds live.
What a piece of work is man! How noble in reason! How infinite in faculties! In form and moving how express and admirable! In action how like an angel! In apprehenshion how like a god! The beauty of the world, the paragon of animals! Ane yet to me what is the quintessence of dust? Man delights me not - nor women neither, though by your smiling you seem to say so.
Rosencrantz exclaims that "there was no such stuff in my thoughts." It seems it is Hamlet teaching his teachers.
We are the stuff that dreams are made of . . . and I hade a wonderful one just a few nights ago, though bitter/sweet.
Eventually, the cool waters of Parnassus will quench the world wide psychic heat wave to cool things here below, and with this "ancient body" the Rosicrucians, I look with Mr. Baxter "with a sure delight in an ultimate success."
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 24, 2006 9:29:18 GMT -5
Major but forgivable slip I made in my last post: Hamlet says . . . "it goes so heavily with my disposition . . .", not "heavenly" which everything connected with Francis Bacon is to me. Bacon & the Rose Cross Why does Mr. Baxter mention the actor Shakespere six times in just the part of the article I quote. The gentlemen states that he himself "has long been a member of the Masonic order of the Red Cross", and writes that Robert Flood, whom Waite describes as "the great English mystical philosopher of the seventeenth century, a man of immense erudiation, of exalted mind, and to judge by his writings, of extreeme personal sanctity, was its ( the Rosicrucian Fraternity) chief exponent." Robert Flood, says Mr. Baxter, was "of course - a friend of Bacon - its putative head in England, if the latter belonged to the English fraternity, and so must have been Meier, the chief among German writers of the order, who was also in England in the year of the actor's death (Shakespere) and Bringen, another associate with him upholding the honor of Rosicrucianism on the continent." Here can be applied Hamlet's remark to Guildenstern: "It is as easy as lying." Laying here, of course meaning oscuring, made clear by Mr. Baxter's comment that "We would gladly indulge in a more comprehensive exposition of this interesting fraternity were it not necessary to limit ourselves to a single member of it, Francis Bacon . . ." and some more to it. Mr. Baxter states that Bacon was the "putative" head of the Rosicrucians in England, and puts an "if" he was a member of the fraternity, and only intimates that Flood was in England by saying that Meier "also" was in England at the actor Shakespere's death. Why does Mr. Baxter bring "the actor" into this think piece as if from nowhere? Furthermore: "In 1617 a year after the death of the Statford actor, Flood was in Franfort engaged in his seeing his "Defence of Rosicrucianism" through the press." Why would it be of any value whatsoever to mention the death of the "Stratford actor" in connection with Flood publishing on Rosicrucianism? The meaning would be diffent if Mr. Baxter had said "Shakespeare's death", not the Stratford actor's. At the same time Flood was publishing the "Defence of Rocicrucianism", writes Mr. Baxter, "Bringen was printing the "Fama Fraternitatis." There we can read "on pages 52 and 53, the following:- We must earnestly admonish you that you cast away, if not all, yet most of the worthless books on pseudo chymists (the term chymist used figuratively signified poets or romanticists.) to who it is a jest to aplly the Most Holy Trinity to vain things, or to deceive men with monstrous symbols and enigmas, or to profit by the curiosity of the credulous; our age doth produce many such, one of the greatest being a stage player, a man with sufficient ingenuity for imposition; such doth the enemy of human welfare mingle among the good seed, thereby to make the truth more difficult to be believed, which in herself is simple and naked, while falsehood is proud, haughty, and colored with the lustre of seemingly godly and humane wisdom. Ye that are wise eschew such books and have recourse to us, who seek not your moneys, but to offer unto you our great treasures. That the Most Holy Trinity is mentioned is wonderful, there is a book of that title, and what are all the historical writers and below autobiographers to me when having recourse to such minds. Concerning the above paragraph, Mr. Baxter writes: "The allusion is evidently to the Statford actor, for his plays, as well as Bacon's other works, are saturated with Rosicrucian thought. Dr. Ingleby should include it in a new addition of his "Allusions." Certainly it is much clearer than many he has published. But further to identify the actor with the titles "false poet" and stage player" we will call attention to a method which these literary Bo-Peeps had of revealing their meaning to the initiated. If they wished to inform the reader who a person alluded to was, they placed the allusion on a page the number of which corresponded so the number which he was known, or to the date of some well-known event connected with him." And so on and so forth. And again: "It is interesting to note that the Rosicrucian Brotherhood especially flourished in England during Bacon's life, and that it's existence was not made known to the world, and then on the Continent, until the year of the actors death. We have already spoken of Meier, the Rosicrucian Protagonist, and of his sojourn in England. Returning to Frankfort, he published in September, 1616, five month after the actors death, three works, one being his "Lusus Serius," which he dedicated to a triumvirate of Rocicrucians, at whose head appeared Don Francisco Antonio, Londin, Anglo, Seniori. This combination of the names Francis and Anthony, the latter of whom had been dead feftteen years, was of course, understodd by the Brotherhood among whom such books only found readers." Hamlet loves his dearest friend Horatio, and Francis loves "Antonie my Comforte" and I love Wilbur, and everybody Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 25, 2006 12:49:21 GMT -5
The Inn's, "banquet halls or rooms where people met for gayety and diversion" at the Elizabethan era.
In my first post on this forum I briefly expressed my irritation about historians or whoever and who cares, writing that Tobie Matthew having "grown increasingly gay or rather gaudy in his attire", as well as others, and that according to "them" Anthony Bacon was also gay.
Concerning this Mr. Baxter writes two-fold: veiling the mysteries and the peculiar attire these men wore. In general, one has to re-read his sentences and add words or change the sentence structure, maybe due to the interpretation, as is evident in the next paragraph, but the gist of it is obvious.
The exalted minds of the time, Mr. Baxter includes Swedenborg, expressed "quite faithfully" the "dual precept" of the Rosicrucian's love of God and love of man, its science" and undertook a crusade of education to lead men to a recognition of their duty to God and their fellows, the Universal Reformation of the Whole Wide World. These mysteries were simply cloaks to protect them from danger, not it is true, of modern style, though fantastic garb is too much in evidence in the world, for then, Religion and Science sported strange attire, and the naturally reflect the fashion of the time. It was an age of ismsin which men flung loose the jesses of Fancy, and soared aimlessly amid the drifting clouds of fiction, or were ensnared in the toils of superstition; an age in which men mad with the lust of power crushed with mailed heel those with helplessness should have been their protection."
There still is no new thing under the sun.
The good news:
"But in no age has God been without faithful witnesses, who, braving the terrors of torture and death, were ready to give their lives to the emancipation of their fellowmen, and it was among such that Rosicrucianism found a proper filed for it(s) activities.
Unless we pay less attention to the peculiarities of their outward habiliments, and more to them as men, living the common life, and sharing the common aspirations of thinking and well-meaning mortals, we shall fail to understand them."
It seems Mr. Baxter was somewhat annoyed too at our commentators sorry opinions, though his saying so is of a gentle nature. I haven't looked into, nor do I care in the least to what extent the Rosicrucian's are decried, but have often shaken my head at the ignorant adoe about the Masons "closely allied" with the former. Worldly scholars of mechanical intellectualism, "brick-heads" Fern called them, having their own agenda and way of endless circular arguments will never hear the inspired words in the New Atlantis, nor does one have to be learned to understand heart-wise:
"God bless thee, my son; I will give thee the greatest jewel I have. For I will impart onto thee, for the love of God and men, a relation of the true state of Solomon's House. Son, to make you know the true state of Solomon's House, I will keep this order. First, I will set forth unyo you the end of our foundation. Secondly, the preperations and instruments we have for our works. Thirdly, the several employments and functions whereto our fellows are assigned. And fourthly, the ordinances and rites we observe.
"The end of our Foundation is the knowledge of Causes, and the secret motion of things; and the enlarging of the bounds of the human Empire, to the effecting of all things possible."
When Francis was a boy, his mother the Queen called him his "little Solomon" and both, Francis and Hamlet are in obedience to the everlasting and ever-preserved love of Truth giuded by Divinity.
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 15, 2006 9:07:36 GMT -5
Fern on Masonry "The great labor of the initial Masonic builders: the young plant of of Masonic Brotherhood was not to be confined to the specialized soil of but a few members. It was destined to spread its roots into all the countries and nations of the world, and woo business and tradesmen, "the sons of toil" and backbone of empire for the fraternal ideal. For that reason the outer order of our present-day Free Masnory was established. "Though the whole extent and origin of the plan was known only to an initiate few, members of the outer order were subjected to a selective system by which they could attain to numerous degrees proportionately receive deeper insight into the work. This in turn spurred them to greater effort and endeaver in their various occupations and stations in life, and made them useful instruments for carrying out diverse aspects of the great design in fields commercial, political, scientific, philosophical, and religious. "Perpetuation of the great plan was secured by secret tradition among an inner group of Initiates unknown to the outer Order at large, and patterned by the "Sages of Bensalem" in Sir Francis Bacon's "New Atlantis." This inner group counts a small number of members in all the countries of the Western Hemisphere. They have kept the lamp of the Muse burning during the last three hundred years by periodically publishing works produced by the Shakespeare group and designated to be released at certain times, in accordance with the plan, during the interval of concealment. The final revelation of the plan also was to be effected through this inner group, in the event that it had not been detected. "Anticipating the natural trend to scientific materialism (for which, in a sense, Lord Bacon's inductive method of reasoning became responsible) these men knew that three hundred years hence they would have to deliver "concrete proof" to a sceptical age, and they fortified their scheme for such an emergency. The constant incentive for discernment contained in the published writings were not enough. They preserved manuscripts of all these writings, among them the Shakespeare-manuscripts, of which which never a line has been found. Also papers used in the transcription of the King James version of the Bible. Hence the mysterious disappearance of many of Bacon's own writings, which are historically reported as "missing," or "lost." "They preserved historical records and documents varifying the facts disclosed in the Plays, etc., such as the Tudor birth-records, also crown-jewels and other significant objects of literary and historical value. The Age to come would say: this Poet lies, such heavenly touches never touched earthly faces. So should my papers, yellowed with their age be scorned like old men of less truth than tongue; But were some child of mine alive that time You should live twice in it and in my rhyme." Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Nov 6, 2006 9:27:36 GMT -5
In a post on Oak Island, I remarked that Francis Bacon everywhere, even as others say that Shakespeare is in our daily lives, though mostly unnoticed.
Yesterday, I did my weekly shoping at "Trader Joe's", and standing in line I noticed a stack of cans by the cash register. "What" I looked doubly with a great smile when I saw
Rosenkcrunch gourmet Guildenpop
Sweet popcorn, almond and pecan clusters.
On the back of the can is written
"To crunch or not to crunch?" When that is the question, we have the answer. This nutty combination of pecans, almonds and sweet, buttered popcorn is to die for! Indulge yourself with these crunchy clusters or share the sweet sensation with the people in your hamlet.
How sweet it is, for me anyway, the popcorn is pretty good too.
Charlotte
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Post by Don Barone on Nov 7, 2006 6:33:03 GMT -5
Hi all.
I have heard back from JDM (at least I assume it is him) and he is fine other than I think some pressing health issues.
Best Don Barone
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Post by ariston on May 19, 2008 15:54:02 GMT -5
Dear Charlotte
Its been too long. I have missed the posting.
Concerning L.Verulamiam, did You know that his Grandfather, thru his mother Anne, was the religious reformer Sir Anthony Cooke.
FB`s Aunt Mildred married William Cecil, Lord Burghley. Thru this line, FB's cousin, William again, was to become the spymaster and head of the organization that Francis Walsingham would inherit. Apparently the same organization that John Dee was also a part of. Will be in touch. Latona
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Post by Charlotte on May 21, 2008 8:57:17 GMT -5
Greetings Latona! We are delighted Paul and I agree that this Weltall works by its own harmonious rules and that all is as it should be. I have been wanting to get back "home" since about a week to end my crystal/diamond thread and be content just turning the one I have in sun enjoying the colors and sparks shooting from it. Another reason was to reply to Paul's last post and ask a few questions about the "Hallow Earth" theories and peoples supposedly still living there, which we touched upon briefly and which fascinates me. Yet another was to busy myself some more with Shugsborough as a center of the world. The I read about "Osiris and Latona-Isis" in the Secret Doctrine and that the number of Jesus is 888, so I checked if you agree and found what I was looking for in your second post: Topic: 18980-Mayan days, derived from Giza. The major reason, however, was to get back to what and whom I love most, Francis Bacon, because I found a letter written by Shakespeare to the Earl of Southhampton, and besides, it was announced about a week ago that "National Treasure II" would be out on DVD on the 20th of this month So, no I didn't know that Lord Bacon's maternal Grandmother was the religious reformer of Sir Anthony Cook, or perhaps came across it in other words and didn't get it in clear meaning. I am aware of the spying organization, also found in Hamlet, and John Dee was apparently involved in everything, considering who he was. The Letter Bacon Shakespeare Question The Baconian Theory made sane N.B. Cockburn THE DEDICATION TO THE LONG POEMS "The dedication to 'Venus and Adonis (1593), the first Shake-Spear's long poems, reads: Vilia miretur vulgas, mihi flavus Apollo Poulas Castilia plena ministret aqua." To the Right Honourable Henry Wriothesley, Earl of Southhampton, and Baron of Lichtfield Right Honourable, I know not how I shall offend in dedicating my unpolished lines to your Lordship, nor how the world will censure me for choosing so strong a prop to support so week a burden. Only, if your Honour seem but pleased, I account myself highly praised; and vow to take advantage of all idle hours, till I have honoured you with some graver labour. But if the first heir of my invention prove deformed, I shall be sorry it had so noble a godfather, and never ever ear so barren a land, for fear it yield me still so bad a harvest. I leave it to your Honourable survey, and your Honour to your hearts content, which I wish may always answer your own wish, and the worlds hopeful expectations. Your Honour's in all duty, William Shakespeare "The couplet is from Ovid's 'Amores' and means "Let the crowd marvel at cheap things; to me let flaming Apollo serve cups full of Castilian water [i.e, the words of poetic inspiration]." Of all the letters I read written by Lord Bacon, this to my ears and heart is unquestionably his style of writing. I know of no, and sense no letter ever written by the actor Shagspur, and his character as described by various scholars researching every avenue leading to the Shakespeare Bacon problem, allows not for such noble language, and all this letter implies. We missed you Latona, all the while wishing you sailed on agreeable waters. Charlotte
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Post by ariston on May 21, 2008 15:54:05 GMT -5
Dear Charlotte, How are you? I have just been looking thru Burke's Peerage and Henry WrioseLey(rose-lee)thd 2nd earl of SoTh'ton died in 1581 on 4 Oct. He married Mary Browne. Their son, Henry, the 3rd earl was born in 1573 on 6 October. He married Liz Vernon. Their Dau. PeneLope married William Spencer, 2nd Baron and Princess Diana was a direct descendant.
Light and more light Latona
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Post by Charlotte on May 22, 2008 9:24:49 GMT -5
Hallo Latona, Thank you, I'm doing well, somewhat overworked I'd say, but have put on the brakes lately to have some more of a life, and this weekend I will scrutinize NT II to see what all they got wrong and right it with great enthusiams No doubt, the Elizabethan Era will play a prominent part, and I see they were in France where the stage was set, effecting all Europe and consciousness rose in all fields. It is mind-boggling who and what all was involved, so I will learn much in the process. Diana shot a powerful arrow at Buckingham Castle, the attempt of the gods failed, but not alltogether. "Knowledge is power" she said quietly with an informing look in the famous interview, and resigned. Reflecting the light Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on May 23, 2008 9:24:42 GMT -5
Refreshing my memory, I read through the pages here this morning, on page 1 Bernhard and I talked about Elizabeth Vernon, erroneously thought to be Shakespear's "Dark Lady" by a German scholar.
Read some more and met up again with the Leicesters and Devereux' et all, and many they were, including Henry Percy, the "Wizard Earl" or "Scarlet Pimpernel" of the French Revolution, then looked up the "Spencer Dynasty", beginning in about the 12th century, well established in Bacon's time, and continued in North America, so it was a good primer.
Some 13 years ago I live on Spencer St. because the name appealed to me, but then I pick a winning horse by it's name or colors, don't care about the odds.
Hope everyone has a good weekend, here in SoCal we have the most unusual weather, it's cold and windy, snow in the mountains, the ground near LA covered with as much hail to have a hail-fight, a tornedo strong enough to derail and tip over rail cars, and a semi, and about 2 weeks ago I heard and felt a rumbling sitting here. Very unusual for this time of the year, remarked the weather man. A bit unnerving to watch the Earth's doings at the moment.
Charlotte
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Post by ariston on May 25, 2008 14:57:07 GMT -5
Dear Charlotte, Greetings. Sir Philip was betrothed to Penelope Deveraux, His uncle being Dudley. Amongst Sidney's many acquaintances was Giordano Bruno, who was one of the select magi that attended Rudolph's court, Dee, as you know, was one of them. Michael Maier also, the author of Atalanta Fugiens and Court Alchemist at Heidelberg to Frederick and Elizbeth, the same court FB was so supportive of. Maier's publisher was Theodore De Bry of Oppenheim, the same as Robert Fludd. cont...
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Post by ariston on May 25, 2008 15:46:11 GMT -5
cont... Apparently, the blueprints for the Globe have been found in Fludds notes. I will chase that one up further. A tangle, indeed. John Wikins was chaplain to sonof Fred and Liz, he was also amember of the Oxford group, a Kernel of what would become the RS. Along with Wren, Boyle and Petty. Elias Ashmole, madea F.Mason on 16.10.1646 was a mentor to Fred and Lizbeth's grandson, the young Elector. Boyle and Petty knew the Hartlib's, connectedto Heidelberg also. The associations go on. Cont...
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Post by ariston on May 25, 2008 16:31:22 GMT -5
cont... continuing the Heidelberg connection. Johannes Reuchlin was the Masterof the Academia Platonica at Heidelberg a few gens before the time of Frederick and Elizabeth. His publisher was Aldus Manutius. This chap was the publishing hub behind the works of Trimethius, the author of Stenographia. Thomas Linacre, Henry the Eighths physician and founder of the Royal College of. in 1518. Also Giovanni Pico Della Mirandola. An acquaintance was Rufus Mutianus, who was associated with Paracelsus. cont...
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Post by ariston on May 25, 2008 17:03:57 GMT -5
cont... Paracelsus also knew Trimethius, who was acquaintedwith Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa Von Nettesheim. Aggrippa knew John Colet, who knew Sir Thomas More, who knew Thomas Linacre. Linacre had a friend called Angello Poliziano, who was also the friend of Lorenzo the Magnificent. Lorenzo's G- father, Cosimo, who was heavily influenced by George Gemistus, otherwise known as Plethon. Concurrently, the Medici were patrons of another extoller of Plethon,s work, our old friend, Marsillio Ficino. cont...
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Post by ariston on May 25, 2008 17:50:36 GMT -5
cont... Ficio's association must read like a who's who of Luminaries, one of them being Pico Mirandola. Perhaps it may come as no surprise that a lot of the exponents of 'De Occult Philosophia' knew , or had associations with ech other, nevertheless, it is still intriguing to perceive the associations centred around Pico and Manutius, Particularly Linacre. He may have influenced later Tudor's and such. Sorry 'bout the fragmented posts, manacled by I/F limitations. 'Til next time Kind Regards Latona
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Post by Charlotte on May 26, 2008 9:03:23 GMT -5
Yes, thank you, Latona, for firming the ground under my feet.
My principal philosophy teacher was fascinated, to say the least, by these personages who lit up Europe, and I was bedeviled by them from day one. Obviously, it was but a powerful after-shock going through Europe generated in the east, middle east, and Greece, some 1500-2000 centuries before.
I recognize most of the names, a few I don't. My aim has been, and is to have all these luminaries on one landscape in my head, so I could pick and choose at any given moment from the top of it, but have a woeful feeling that my head isn't big enough.
Then, gracing our planet, did Sir Francis Bacon, who synthesized all and prepared it to be brought to The New World, and the third shockwave is on the way with these national and international treasures generated by Lord Bacon. Why? Aside from what was intimated and evident in "National Treasure", in the very beginning of "National Treasure: Book of Secrets", a page of a booklet was shown to the great grandfather of our hero Ben, Thomas Gates, who looked at the coupled letters, which he was to decode. I did too, and my eye went directly to TE HN FB, the remaining ones I have yet to crisscross.
Clever in their way of movie-making are Jerry Bruckheimer and Jon Turteltaub, also bringing in the wisdom of the Native Americans, and, as Paul always says, all seems to be coming together, hopefully taking us to the remaining 6 cities of Cibola.
With another Jerry, I'm only in it for the gold.
In appreciation
Charlotte
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Post by ariston on Aug 7, 2008 7:38:38 GMT -5
Greetings Charlotte,
Last night I read Romeo and Juliet and All's well that end's well, which was inspired by Boccaccio's Decameron. My first remark would be the name assignment of the characters, which seems to take it's, inspiration from the writings of Homer. Helena,Paris, the Clown,The Nurse. In those two books, The name of St Francis was invoked and the friars are Franciscans.
Then I read the first 3 chapters of the Illiad, which is largely dominated by Pallas Athene,The Grey eyed, with her large copper coated SPEAR. The Goddess of Wisdom and Martial Discipline, who often morph's into a great sea eagle, rather than the Bald.I am starting to sea glimmer of something, or should that be AM I?
Anyway, Thomas Linacre, Henry the 8ths physician and founder of the Royl college of Physicians was a Florentine academic, he knew Ficino and Pico, He formed the Oxford circle that was to include Grocyn and Colet, and Thomas More, other associates of the Florentine academy, Erasmus was also a correspondent..
So it is possible to glean a direct line,Philosophical terms that encompasses the Rennaisance Florentine Academy with the Academics and Magi of the Tudor age which had close bonds with the court at Heidelberg which eventually led to the formation of the Royal Academy, but that is the surface, underneath the surface, a lot of these philosopher's were the main suspects behind the Rosy Cross and that green ribboned cabal, the Freemason's, and somewhere in the middle WS lingers.
Nicholas Bacon was the Keeper of the Great Seal, as was Francis. His second wife was the daughter to religious reformer, sir Anthony Cooke, and she in turn was the Aunt of William Cecil Lord Burghley, who was also secretary of Stat.under Lizzy. She was the mother , natural or adopted of Francis, Burghley was Lizzy's Chief advisor. Imagine if Dudley and Liz had a liason which led to an unwanted pregnancy, who would be the first to know, probably Burghley, what might be going through his mind, possible candidates for passing on an unwanted child, I KNOW how about my relative and one of my best friends, Nicholas. This may be twaddle to some, but stranger things have happened.
Clearly, the surface is only being scratched, to truly understand what is what, a total dissemination of that age and preceeding ages needs to be done, destroy to rebuild, or maybe not so much destroy, but just take apart.
As for the 33 sonnets, this mimics the 33 degree's or the 33 on mt Salvatsche, 33 is also the value of Bacon's name, apparently, via English alpha numeric transliteration.
To say then that Bacon took inspiration from Florence is not falling short of ther mark, a consistent theme that pervades.
perhaps one has to aspire to be an expert in all things Tudor, not something I really thought of, till I 'met' you.
Love and Light Latona
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Post by ariston on Aug 7, 2008 9:59:51 GMT -5
Greetings Charlotte,
In the crypt of old St Paul's there was Nicholas Bacon, Thomas Linacre, Phillip Sidney, Francis Walsingham, John Colet, part of Linacre's Oxford Group and Dean of St Paul's and William Lily.
The name of Christopher Hatton has also popped up on more than one occasion, he was born in 1540 and was said to be the lover of Elizabeth at one stage. He was also Lord Chancellor.
Endeavours sometimes lead to many dead ends, but spark interest nevertheless and inspiration to continue seeking. One interesting point is regarding the count of Rousillon in all well that end's well. In the Play his name is Bertram, but in actuality the later count's of Rousillon were called SANCHO, and NUNO SANCHO, shades of Cervantes, ja. Rousillon was later subsumed by the Kingdom of Castile.
If you will indulge me, I will continue spewing forth data that may or might not be relevant. I omitted the Linacre tutor reference, because he died to early, but there is definatley a direct link.
Light Latona
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