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Post by julia on Nov 21, 2005 22:49:29 GMT -5
Hi there,
Has anybody figured out yet what D.O.U.O.S.V.A.V.V.M stands for or at least what language it might be in?
Best, [glow=red,2,300]Julia[/glow]
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Post by daz407 on Nov 23, 2005 13:27:07 GMT -5
Hi Julia Anymore info on this? Where from? Painting? Year? Any history?
Best wishes.
Daz
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Post by julia on Nov 23, 2005 22:04:45 GMT -5
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Post by daz407 on Nov 24, 2005 11:37:35 GMT -5
Hi Julia Are these letter on the original Poussin?
Daz
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Post by julia on Nov 25, 2005 19:18:21 GMT -5
Hey Daz,
No, the letters appear right below Poussin's painting(s).
I think there was a group of people working on the code last year at Bletchley Park. As far as I know they were not very successful.
Best, [glow=red,2,300]Julia[/glow]
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Post by daz407 on Dec 17, 2005 12:50:14 GMT -5
Using the logic of Connan Doyle/Holmes, and having been in contact with persons more knowledgeable than myself, the consensus leads to the fact....That these letters are totally alien to the painting. My old friend at Liverpool uni suggested someone (people had a sense of humour in those days, just like us all now) was having a laugh for posterity. Best I can do.
Daz
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Post by BERNHARD on Dec 19, 2005 10:03:30 GMT -5
Dear Charlotte and DON, looks as if my reflecting comment on this PHI-topic did disapoint Don ! but there is no reason for this ! i myself am very famliar with those alternatice concepts regarding the pyramid-buildings, the Sphinx and so on ! i have several books on these themes, and i did read them ! i do not like such unfair treatments to name persons who crack their brains while elaborating alternative ideas over weeks and months, often doing some good proposals, often much convincing that those from the "establisment" of scientists. much we did read from the well known scholars in context with the construction of pyramids, and many of this theories was simply dumb or pseudo-explanations hidden behind some latin/greek-covered nonsense !! back to the facinating idea of GIZEK-wide architectural concept including most of these many different buildings : the theory may be impressing us, but in all cases, we have to offer the solution, how such a complex mathematical figure was practically expressed, was implemented a controlling geometrical pattern, set in the dust or stone of this Gizeh-platau ! i only do know one example of such geometrical complex patterns, created over a big area of land, performed with an astonishing overall high precision : these are the CROP-CIRCLES ( besides the south-american Naszca lines and figures ..... ) . and regarding the crop-circles, and their making-of ( despite some dumb and primitive tries to fake them ) are all pointing to an "supernatural" source : done by an extretrestral intelligence ! done often within one night, or simply some hours, without destroying the rest of the crop-fields, not to forget the biological details of the woven crop itself ! --- if the GIZEH-buildings had been (mostly) constructed on the matrix of such a complex mathematical relation, planning and performing it over one century, then i would prefer to see it as an evidence of the technological influence of a superior culture ! i myself can not imagine, how this huge task of a high-precision survey was done with the means of some measuring sticks, some ropes, some wooden angle , or even a spirit-level. some time ago, at THOTH's scribe forum, i proposed the enigmatic Was-scepter as a mean for land-survey, using some optical-fixation technique in combination with the attached ropes ! and i have found a wall-representation, giving a good evidence for such geometry-related use !! could solve that riddle of the WAS-scepter purpose !! ok, NOW TO THE SPHINX : i also know from the different alternative proposals of the datings. some are assumed to date it back to 10.000 Bce ! in that context, the above mention golden-circle becomes even more difficult !? does this not mean, that a the overall concept covering the GIZEH-plateau buildings are planned for thousands of years !? SOME aACTUAL NEWs ON THIS REFER to the shafts/tunnels under the Sphinx itself : according to an actual german source, DR. Hawass himself spoke of 4 (!) tunnels, while presenting the sphinx to the spanish king and his wife, visiting Egypt ! the 4. "secret" tunnel was mentioned by him (Zahi) to be located at (under) the backside of the Sphinx, near the tail, and 15m long ! the other three tunnels he (Hawass ) was mentioning are: 1.) behind the thutmose-dream stela, 2.) behind the head 3.) at the northside, still once been photographed by a certian Baraize ! -- ---- best regards: Bernie
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Post by BERNHARD on Dec 21, 2005 9:40:57 GMT -5
Dear Daz, really nice x-mas picture ! i love this style also ! well, now have some fine relaxing days ! i will be back on next week ! kind regards from a winterly and snowy bavaria : Bernie
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Post by Charlotte on Dec 22, 2005 8:01:33 GMT -5
Ditto Bernhard about the letters, alternative ideas etc., and from what the ancient Egyptians themselves write and paint we can see what they knew. It is the cut and dry, or pedestrian interpretation of the orthos which would make one doubt everything, but seeing things only below is equally important to seeing things from above, according to Hermes. Daz, Your more knowledgable people, and your friend from the Liverpool uni, suggesting someone played a joke on posterity by adding the letters and having a good laugh, are followers of Seth. They laugh everything they don't understand into the wind. Not that I know what the letters mean, but as my philosophy teacher advised us: when in doubt hold the thing suspended until the nickel drops. So don't follow the the followers but study the thing for yourself - the only way to discover secrets, and when you have you will find that you cannot communicate it to another in words. Art is in the eye of the beholder! I just read one interpretation of the letter: Genesis 50:25 Deus Visitabit Vos Asportate Vobiscum Ossa Mea de Loco Isto Translated: God will surely come to your aid, and then you must carry my bones up from this place. (And there are "bones" in this tomb of Poussan's) This pertains to the death of Joseph, who, before he died, "took an oath of the children of is-ra-el, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry my bones from hence. So Joseph died, being an hundred and ten years old: and they embalmed him, and he was put in a coffin in E-gypt." As I said before, the children of Israel are each one of us, not only the Jews, (my Jewish chemistry teacher also told us this) and God made a covenant with each of us to "visit" us, and when he does in such a proficient moment "the mind is flooded with light" says Plato, hence we "carry up the bones." It is a momentary glimpse affording understanding. Joseph then dies and is embalmed and and put in a coffin in E-gypt, back into the "dark land" or unconscious. In a critical moment in our developement it will surface again and understanding increases. You can gather "knowledge from a 1001 books, it's understanding that "counts." If all of it isn't to improve our daily life and to come to know ourselves and thereby "know all things", what is it good for? Why this indefatigable search of what it's all about from the couch patato the pioneers of science? Even Hawking admitted that we all have to come to know the mind of God. Everybody rows, aware or unaware in this Ship of Fools
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Post by daz407 on Dec 22, 2005 12:34:46 GMT -5
Therefore I shall follow Seth.........................
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Post by Don Barone on Dec 22, 2005 12:53:55 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte You wrote: Charlotte my blood turned to ice upon reading this. As I have had that light visited upon me and have, I guess, "seen the light". Very profound and as Gary calls it "The Kundalini Expereince." My poor mother never recieved the visitation but maybe she got hers finally in death. Best Don Barone
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Post by daz407 on Dec 22, 2005 14:07:46 GMT -5
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Post by uberleet on Jan 9, 2008 5:55:53 GMT -5
could be a latin anagram with the d and m being a date in roman numerals as i beleive on the monument there found on the first and last letters and underneath the ouosvavvm
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Post by Charlotte on Jan 9, 2008 9:06:30 GMT -5
Dear guest oberleet, But what is your interpretation of the letters and numbers? Thank you and welcome Charlotte
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Post by uberleet on Jan 9, 2008 18:38:30 GMT -5
hi there my interpretation of it would be something of a message, the d and m could even be the initails of the scripters name, rather than a date infact, i/we could even interpret that in order for us to move forward as a race we have to unravel theses little tests/answers or clues even, the secrets of our past rce hold the keys to the advancement in human evolution as everytime somethings solved from the past it brings us an idea closer to understanding what the future may hold.
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Post by Charlotte on Jan 10, 2008 10:31:04 GMT -5
hi there my interpretation of it would be something of a message, the d and m could even be the initails of the scripters name, rather than a date infact, i/we could even interpret that in order for us to move forward as a race we have to unravel theses little tests/answers or clues even, the secrets of our past rce hold the keys to the advancement in human evolution as everytime somethings solved from the past it brings us an idea closer to understanding what the future may hold. Interesting: revelation thread - numbers, post numbers . . . . The letters never did look like a date to me, being seperated by a period. It is true that "for us to move forward as a race we have to unravel - the secrets of our past rce," which hold the key to the advancement in human evolution..." Advancement is a magic Bacon word for me, and Bacon is my main reference to how I see the past 400 centuries, and look at the future. Shugburough is a very very interesting place "in the heart of England", which is where I put "the Arable Farm." "The Shepherd Monument stands at the very beginning of the Greek Revival and Romantic movement and is a symbol of Shugborough's unique importance. "Thomas Anson (who has long seemed a shady figure) was a guiding force in the Greek revival 1695-1756, (he) left very few written records. Shugborough is his memorial. "Shagborough Hall at the heart of England, and at the centre of new ideas in the arts and sciences which can still be as inspiring as they were in the 18th century". www.shugborough.org.uk/HistoryOfShugborough-138All this activity took place about a century after Francis Bacon, "the guiding light of the New Age undertaking", and I see Anson inspired by Bacon. It is said that Shakespeare visited Rome. The actor never left England, but Bacon was in Rome and signed his name "Shfordus". It was suggested that it could mean "Stratfordus", but I thinks there is more in that name Shagspur and Shugborough. Charlotte
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Post by davida on Feb 8, 2009 11:28:34 GMT -5
not yet but just getting started
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 8, 2009 13:15:35 GMT -5
not yet but just getting started Hallo davida, Perhaps you mean to join me in this fascinating quest which I had to forgo, reluctantly. Regards Charlotte
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Post by Josh on Jul 27, 2011 14:26:16 GMT -5
Hello my name is Josh and I'm 13 I went to the hall today with my Grandparents and we insisted that we tried to find out what it meant. Using the Roman Numeral's I found that the message read DOUOSVAVVM 500 ouos 5 a 5 5 1000 the D is 500 the V's are 5 and the M is 1000 if they are Roman numerals then that would mean their could be a word that has the letter's that are not numbers I would like some help to see if we could find what it means thanks Josh
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Post by Josh on Jul 27, 2011 14:43:47 GMT -5
From the Latin to English translate i put in a mixture of the words and I found that do-a-vv means-I give a Psalm... But it comes up with Galician as another language I haven't clicked yet as I am sticking to one language. If anyone is interested have a look. By the way I am on Google Translate. We will crack this code ;D[glow=red,2,300][/glow]
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Post by Josh on Jul 27, 2011 15:14:24 GMT -5
This is what I have found---
DO UOSV A VV M Roman Numerals=500 ouos 5 a 5 5 1000 Galician = D O O U S A V V V M
Could mean give us all honorable (Latin do us om vav)
DO A VV MU OSV Latin to English means-> I give you change from the Psalm
;D
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 28, 2011 10:07:03 GMT -5
Hallo Josh, and thank you for the posts which I find more interesting, especially "I give you change from the Psalm", than anything else I have read, on the web, that is.
I didn't have a chance to study Shugborough itself penetratively, but from other references gleaned some of the huge significants of Lichtfield = Field of Light about the Shepherd's Monument surmounted by a Pyramid, and who might be buried in it. Concerning Mysteries, I think that there is always more than one level to pursue.
All I know is that Shugborough holds a profound part of our History, and the Letters may reveal a sublime secret. "Galician as another language...." Do you mean the Galatians of the Bible?
Thank you
Charlotte
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Post by daz407 on Jul 30, 2011 12:58:10 GMT -5
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 31, 2011 6:09:50 GMT -5
Thanks Daz, but the link doesn't say much about the enormous problem of le Chateau, and as always I have my own thoughts.
It is nice to have a new poster on here, but sometimes one will appear, say a few words and never come back, let's hope Josh will.
Hope you're having good days
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 5, 2011 7:50:39 GMT -5
I finally took the time to look up the Galicians. Of course, some things I knew before... but in reading on a grand association with The History I have been studying some and love, came to the fore, took me all the way to Kizhi.
The "Way of St. James" of the Pilgrims belongs to this History and touched me, and the Iberian Peninsula was always of interest to me, so I expected to come upon the Knight Don Quixote, whom Don Barone sort of impersonated some years ago: standing, Sword in hand to protect me, before a Pumpkin Coach in which I was sitting.
"St. James, the Moorslayer, one of the most valiant saints and knights the world ever had ... has been given by God to Spain for its patron and protection."
Cervantes, Don Quixote
I see a confluence of many Brooks and Rivers, akin to the emblem of Galicia, the Seashell, meeting at the point of origin. The Galicians themselves present an enormous Stream to follow toward the Grand Design and governance of the History of Humankind in which Shugborough plays an important part. I have the greater picture, but the Angels are in the details, so I will look more closely and thank Joshua for posting on this thread and information given.
A great day to One and All
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 7, 2011 19:33:52 GMT -5
It is a lazy Sunday afternoon, perfect for a short sampling of the days of yore, tolling with the mystical, as related by a modern Traveler with a Mind after mine own Heart.
"Galicia is a good place for kittens, perhaps, an even better place for eagles.
"What the eagles would see as they hovered over the Land of the Rabbits, or Spain, as the Phoenicians would have it", was the north-western corner of Spain, which, "the dream-makers have called this place Green Spain."
"The Phoenicians, who jealously cut it off from the world, encouraging fables that it had been ravaged by one-eyed sea monsters, would also have recognized the inhabitants as Celts, poets who conjured ghosts out of the sea and who dreamed up stories of their own magnificent deaths in song and in stone.
"Even the Romans could never muster enthusiasm for the place. They called it Gallaecia because it seemed to be inhabited by the same strange, awkward people as those they had found in what we now recognize as France, and they built a lighthouse at Brigantium to warn their ships away from its maddened shores. So enduring was their warning that the Tower of Hercules still stands, sharing a tousled spit of rock with Coruna's prison."
The Hotelier where our Traveler lodged, was eager to show him a Sculptor, no description is given, and said that "the Galicians learned the art of sculptor from the survivers of the lost city of Atlantis."
The Traveler also happened on a lone old Women in an Orchard and enquired: "Where have all your family moved to? She thought about this for a moment, "If you go to the moon, you'll find Galicians there," she cackled, happy again.
"So what happened to the Celts that the Phoenicians so admired? The ruling Galician xunta claimed that they were gathering Celts from all over Europe to take part in the international Celtic Games but, as the primary event was windsurfing, I was sceptical. Perhaps the animists of San Andrés are right and they are up there, soaring above us, looking for juicy kittens."
The Celts soaring with the Eagles in this enchanting yarn veiling truths of the stupendous History of Humankind. We, however, are searching for a Psalm, in and about Shugborough in the centre of England, close enough to the Celts, and mefeels this is yet barely a few pennies change from the Psalm.
Regards
Charlotte
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Post by anonymous on Feb 10, 2015 1:45:48 GMT -5
Has anyone tried linking this to the last grand master De Molay. In an alphabetical switched to numbers you 4 15 21 15 19 22 1 22 22 13. Look through everything he's done during his term everything adds up to the numbers. Even the DM there at the bottom could signify an initial. De Molay.
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 10, 2015 9:28:45 GMT -5
Hello Anonymous,
Here, I don't remember anyone linking the LETTERS to de Molay. The last entry was from a poster, Josh, on this thread. He brought in the Galician language, and translated the letters "I give you change from a Psalm", which didn't surprise me given the spiritual connotations of the time.
The importance of the Monument is self-evident, given the inscription 'Et In Arcadia Ego', two fingers pointing to the letters N & R, (wiki), for good reason I presume. A few times I thought I discerned who is in the tomb but doubts remained.
I read various explanations, but haven't accepted any as I mostly ignorant apropos this great mystery. My direct knowledge of the life and work of de Molay is scarce. Needless to say the letters are a mystery to me.
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Post by Charlotte on Mar 7, 2015 11:29:41 GMT -5
A decade passed since Julia first asked if anyone has yet figured out the Shugborough Monument inscription. No one knew, so we posted whatever came our way. About seven years ago, a poster named "uberleet" remarked on a few things but never came back. A good three years out, poster "Josh" gave some clues, over my head, besides being sidetracked by his mention of the Galician language, so I went to Galicia, Spain, owing to the close Celtic connection, but not to Galicia in central Anatolia, now Turkey, as it encompassed an enormous timespan in History. Recently, poster "anonymous" suggested there might be a link to the letters/numbers on the Monument and Jacques de Molay, 23rd and last Grand Master of the Knight Templar, to look through everything he has done during his term which leads up to the numbers he posted.
Unless completely absorbed by the mundane life, who is there who doesn't love a Mystery, and the "whole world" is fascinated by the Knights Templar and the Holy Grail, including myself, having learned this and the other over many years. Merely thinking of studying in depth the life and works of Master DeMolay and all that involves, makes my head spin, however it is one of my favorite subjects.
Saved by going to the Farmers Market.
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Post by Charlotte on Mar 8, 2015 9:19:44 GMT -5
Clearing up my last sentence which implied that studying the life and work of Master DeMolay (at times spelled so), is one of my favorite subjects, what I meant was the Templar history and lore is one of my favorite subjects, knowing very little about DeMolay as indicted.
So I began this morning looking at the place of birth of the Grand Master, the Country of Burgundy, France, and found this video by Rick Stevens the most informative. It shows a simple map of its location in France and beautiful landscape for Sunday travel. Mr. Stevens remarked about the poor soil of a vineyard, to which the Lady replied that the grapes need to suffer to make good wine, which I liked very much and thought Dionysius would smile and say Prosit!
The last 10 minutes betoken an important history easily relating to Jacques de Molay
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