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Post by Charlotte on Jul 25, 2008 12:35:42 GMT -5
So why Bacon and Baron? The translation of the first row of letters is "/KG/", which brings "Bacon" to the mind of Riley, to mine 'King', both apt. "BACON" on the computer screen can be dismissed off hand as a randomly generated word. "BARON" is given no translation on the computer screen, but "Baron Playfair's name is attached to one of the better- known classic ciphers", which his "friend", the "scientist Charles Wheatstone - actually devised the Playfair cipher." Or, Jon Turteltaub and Jerry Bruckheimer read my stuff on NT1, and agreed that Sir Francis Bacon fits their story perfectly, and my notion that Don Baron is Riley works very well, giving them additional ideas and material for NT2, and moreover enabling them to obscure their real motive to "make endless amounts of money" with "mindless fun that can help people forget about all the stress and hassle of the holiday season..." "Bacon" on the back of a page of the Booth diary? Like Don in one of his posts, Riley knows a "smudge" on the diary page when he sees one, but for the sake of continuing the plot, Ben sees more. In NT1, the treasure map is in "invisible ink" on the back of the Declaration of Independence, here it is "residual ink" in the form of a smudge, which must be turned over for "special imaging" under "infra-red" light. Reminds me of Jerry Garcia's "Infrared Roses", requiring X-Ray vision to see, and Disney now gives us a "Blue Ray". On both, the DoI and the diary page, are treasure maps in invisible ink, key words are needed to decode the cipher, suggesting that the content of both movies must be mulled over, turned every which way to discern what is meant by 'invisible' treasure maps, since both documents are 'literarly" blank, save for "Original Declaration of Independence / dated 4th of July 1776" on the back of it. The key to open the treasure room in NT1 was the Meerschaum pipe brought over from England on the derelict ship Charlotte, and we are finally given the real keyword "BACON". In NT1, we can see in living colors that Sir Francis Bacon is the founder of the New World. www.sirbacon.org/baconrushmore.htmPlease click on Francis Bacon : Godfather to America Another clue is found in the "Book of Secrets". The same coupled letters which appear on Riley's computer screen, given yesterday, are on the page of the booklet Booth and Mud handed to Thomas Gates to decode, and which Thomas recognizes as the "Playfair cipher", and "it's a treasure map", on which he circles the word "TEMPLED", underlines the letters "FGaD", above these "TO CIBOLA". Before Thomas Gates died, he ripped out pages from this booklet and threw them in the fire, not of the Booth diary to do with the Lincoln assassination, on which Ben, Riley, and Abigail are working on the computer and "BACON" comes up as if out of the blue. Why Bacon, why not Lewis Pain, or David Harold, or any of the other conspirators? The discrepancy is, that the booklet given to Thomas Gates in the beginning of the movie to decode treated of the Templar and Cibola mystery, but since the letters are the same as on Riley's computer, a connection between the Templar Treasure, Cibola, the "City of Gold" and "Centre of the World", and Lord Bacon is established. I'm having a melt-down now. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 26, 2008 10:13:32 GMT -5
In the left square on Riley's computer is the complete ABC, but, it starts not ABC, rather BACon. I need all the "evidence" I can make up. Why does Riley "think" Bacon before the word/name appears on the screen, pauses for a few seconds and then immediately negates his thought and the name: "that's stupid". Do the script writers employ the time-honed method all some such teachers and writers use, i.e., bringing a thing of importance to light and almost at once sinking it back into darkness by putting doubt in ones mind, knowing full well the bell rings for some familiar with a subject? I think so. Agent Sadusky wants to know why Mitch Wilkinson kept the fire-damaged page of the booklet secret for 140 years and just now brings it to the attention of the World, via the movie. He wants to make his mark on history, he says. To my way of thinking, it is simply because "time has fallen true" for Sir Bacon's "New Atlantis" to surface enough for the people of the World to even slightly take note of the international treasure it is, and "the genius descended from heaven" he was/is. Am I obsessing? No. Bacon's New Atlantis is not the silly Utopia our literalists tout it to be, ridiculing it all along as Plato's old Atlantis, and the Pöbel, in their admiration and blind belief in the dead letter and outworn interpretations of history which make no sense in the first place, left in the "Cloud of Unknowing", äff the same snide and flipped remarks about a Utopia of the gullible. All the happier one can be about the rapid and unstoppable change evident everywhere, just yesterday was a news flash about a movie of "Aliens coming out of the Earth in judgment of humanity" coming to theaters. Where is Paul when we need him? In our movie, Dr. Nichols holds a news conference concerning the page from the booklet, at the same time from the Booth diary, expressing his gratitude to the Wilkinson family for coming forward with it, and informs the media that "on the page is the name of a previously unknown conspirator, Thomas Gates". Patrick watches the announcement and is irritated that Dr. Nichels "is brought into it", and laments that "it's on the Internet and nobody can stop it". He means nothing can stop his family name from being besmudged, but it also means that nothing can stop humanities pilgrimage toward Cibola. Disgusted, Patrick turns the TV off "they have no understanding!" Hi 5 and fist bud. "... all that matters is - that you know the truth", Ben calmes his father's nerves, "you heard the story from granpa Charles". The story, insists Patrick "got evidence, it's got everything, we have a story, they got nothing. For one brief moment the Gates family could hold its head up, now we're a bunch of crazies." We may be crazy but "we're not liars" says Ben. He finds the accusation by Wilkinson that "Thomas Gates was a mastermind in one of the darkest hours in US history, and burned the diary page to cover that up", utterly absurd. When Ben gets excited he takes off his glasses: "We both know that he burned the pages from keeping Booths men from finding the treasure". This statement proves my assertion that it was booklet about the Templer and Cibola mystery, of which Thomas threw pages into the fire, not the Booth diary, unless Booth himself wrote in a cipher he knew nothing about because he needed to Thomas to decode it. To prove the accusation false, Ben and Patrick must find the treasure. Ben needs to hear the story of grandpa Charles again. Grandpa Charles was the boy present when his father Thomas was shot by Mud. "Grandpa Charles", tells Patrick, "heard his father say 'treasure map', then there was a commotion." Ben "got all that", and we too. He wants to know "anything at all" that happened after that. Patrick remembers, reaches across the desk, takes Ben's hand, and during deliberate and intense eye contact with Ben, as if repeating the event, he says: "Grandpa took his sons hand, he looked him in the eye and with his dying breath he said "the dept that all men pay". Ben repeats the words and Patrick, eyes fastened to Ben's, says in earnest "the dept Thomas paid". Ben smiles, he understands what his father means. Profound words concerning human history: the dept that all men pay, and Thomas Gates, Knight, paid. My review Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 27, 2008 12:25:43 GMT -5
From their forefathers, and seeing "the truth in" their eyes, Ben and Patrick "have a story", have "evidence", have "everything" to disprove the lie that Thomas masterminded the assassination of Lincoln, firstly. "We have a story" says Patrick, as told in NT, and NT "Book of Secrets", secondly. Mitch Wilkinson and Dr. Nichols et all, and the puffing Critics, "they have nothing", "they have no understanding", Patrick assures Ben.
Thirdly, a definate clue is given that it is Bacon's story. From grandpa, they, "we have a story" of "a treasure beyond all imaginings - too great for any one man, not even a King", which "belongs to the world and all people in it."
During human history, the Treasure "was fought over", "hidden", "vanished","was forgotten", "changed hands", and "smuggled out of Europe" to America, no doubt.
The Treasure was taken up by Francis Bacon, the "last of the Tudors", who set out to reform the World Soul to be reborn in a New World, whence he could bring it to the world. He created the English language as we speak it today, wrote his heart out, and the most sublime literary works in recent history: the Plays and Sonnets. In all his works, his unsurpassed genius can be fathomed, more or less, depending how much one has read of his live and activities, his mastery of language in wit, wisdom, and jest, and how long one has dwelled on Mt. Parnassus.
There is not a one thing in modern science in any field that is not found in the writ of Baron Verulam, (the clue on Rileys computer is "BACON" and "BARON"), or Shakespeare literature, but staying it to look at it, understand it and keep it in awareness, takes equal genius. I have not met a person of like excellence, and all I know is that the lines of the Plays and Sonnets take hold of the mind by divine design like sacred geometry. "It is a rain which distends and then bursts the circumference of the readers mind and pours itself forth together with it into the universal element with which it has perpetual sympathy." Shelley on the immortal spirit of Bacon, and Plato.
Immortal spirits are kinfolk. Who is to say that Plato and Bacon havent met longest ages ago. Fern gives Bacon another name, relating to what I read this morning next door at GHMB, in the thread "Revelation of the the great origin of RC measurement", "The Great Holy Pyramid", where "sher" writes on the courses of the GP etc., and asks:
"Why is this message designed in the Giza Necropolis? From my research, this is the spot where we originate, here is where the Genesis stories of Adam and his family occur." Namely "Absolute Zero", a still or laya centre, wherin the universe rests when a manvantara is completed, and before a new humanity is born, in this case the "Adam" humanity. Latona goes to the Giza Plateau for origins, and the Zero is also confirmed by the divine Poet:
"The ring in its repose is unity and being, causation and existence are the motions thereof."
Charlotte
The chronic disease of the seeker is the need for an answer.
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 28, 2008 8:38:59 GMT -5
In the beginning of "Book of Secrets", the coupled letters Playfair cipher in the "Booth diary", Mud calls it, presented to Thomas Gates to decode, are ME IK QO TX CQ TE ZX CO MW QC TE HN FB IK ME HA KR QC UN GI KM AV My eye first fell on the 3rd line TE HN FB, I read "the honorable Francis Bacon, followed by IK ME HA >< Amerika. From top left ME downward and slightly diagonally, passing FB to GI KM, interchanging letters spells King, I made "ME Francis Bacon King" of it. In the second line I see "Commonwealth of the Queen." In the bottom line UN GI KM - United Kingdom can be descerned. Letters can be exchanged or changed to another letter, Z and X can be inserted as any letter one wishes. The "keyword" Booth actually puts his finger on is MONDAY O Thomas begins decoding: D E A BOVLAY ELAD Y Some letters can't be seen, but later Ben discerns in a split second "a lovely lady", or beloved lady. The letter E could be Queen Elizabeth I, mother of Francis and beloved by him. VILLEAD TO C'IBOLA Thomas encircles TEMPLES, and O FGaDTUESDAY 7 FGaD could be "for God and D lovely lady." TEMPLES or TEMPLED, can't make out if it's an S or D, and Cibola are self-explanatory. "It's a treasure map", exclaims Thomas Gates, not a page from the Booth diary to be sure. Whether I'm wrong or not will proly clear up in the "Hall of Records" at Mt. Rushmore. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 1, 2008 9:15:24 GMT -5
The Shakespeare Code Book Review "Much has been written about the Templars, Masons and Rosicrucians lately. Francis Bacon is the missing link all are searching for." This may not make your day but it does mine Fast forward to Riley waiting by his computer for further clues after Bacon and Baron came up. "Ben thinks on "the dept that all men pay". Ah, "the keyword is death" he concludes, it has "five letters", like Bacon and Baron, maybe one of those hidden Easter Eggs of script writers. Riley enters DEATH and only the letters /ME /IK /QO / -- CQ /TE /XT / remain on the screen. On the bottom bar appear the letters LA BO UL - - AD Riley tries to make sense out of the "gibberish", me too. Patrick gets it: "Laboulaye!" Of course, it's Laboulaye, Riley agrees, but "what does it mean?" Ben looks for the phone "it's a who", he says by the way and complains that he can't find anything" in his fathers house. He "needs to find a new place". Patrick advice "find the old one, I like her." Abigail and Mitch Wilkinson meet at a restaurant. Mitch, all Gentleman, thanks her for their meeting. No problem, Abigail had intended to call him anyway "about the Booth diary page" and hands it to Mitch, who is curious if something new has been found. He sees the names of some of the conspirators spelled different and backwards, but zooming in, on top of the page are the same letters as on Riley's screen. ME IK QC CQ TE ZX Mitch is worried: does Ben know about this? "Actually", he "was the one who discovered it", Abigail informs him. Her cell rings, it's an incoming call from Patrick, she hears Ben, most excited "we cracked the cipher, it's Laboulaye!" So what, replies she, "it could be nothing". May be, but "it could also be a treasure map like Thomas Gates said there was and Laboulaye had it", but they only got it "partially" and have to figure out what EL AD means. Abigail thinks and gives him a clue, and from the bottom of his second heart comes "thank you Abigail - labuly lady!!! He is about to go into a rant about what the lawer and poet Laboulaye was planning at the time of Lincoln's assassination, but she hangs up on him to rejoin Mitch, who tells her that yes, he is interested in history, especially the Civil War, that his "family is descended from the Confederate General Albert Pike", who was a "remarkable man", and bores her some more with his pholosophy on life Laboulaye was "the intellectual creator of the Statue of Liberty." Patrick says "he was a Mason", and affirms his own words from the first movie that they left clues everywhere. Shouldn't he had put some of these clues in his book, asks Riley in garbled words, to which Patrick responds with a long, silent and significant look, which Ben breaks by remarking that Laboulaye "only referred to one as his lady". Garbled words are also Easter Eggs, methinks. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 26, 2008 9:14:16 GMT -5
Patrick Gates tells Riley that there are three Statues of Liberty, one in Jardin du Luxembourg, Paris, one of gold on the "Island of the Swan", and the best know at New York harbour, and Ben says Laboulaye "only referred to one as his lady." I don't know which one Ben had in mind, but a good guess is that Laboulaye meant "Freedom" itself, as it was "originally known as "Liberty Elightening the World", which words Latona added to his picture of the Statue on another thread. Don was into the Masonic (Hermetic) origins of the United States some 5 years ago and posted Liberty in New York, and I was into "America the Beautiful", and "California the Golden", remember Don, but there wasn't much interest, we were much "debunked" and ran into stone walls, so we never followed up on it. All we, the people of America, know is that the Statue of Liberty is a gift of the French people to America, but if it was generally taught just how red, white, and blue the French were, they would have kept eating french fries and drinking French wine. The "melting pot" notion is understood as simply people from around the world coming to America to seek a better life and hopefully achieve the elusive "American Dream", to become comfortable in meeting daily needs, and the mind can tend upwards. Here, in Los Angeles, I hear much complaining from red-blooded, patriotic Americans: "our country is taken over by foreigners, it's getting pretty bad" etc., and I carefully mention the melting pot concept, and some few times I say "remember, give me your tired and poor", but these words have lost all popularity and I say no more lest I loose mine too Not like the brazen giant of Green fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land, Here at our sea-washed, sunset-gates shall stand A mighty women with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightening, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome, her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbour that twin-cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she, With silent lips. "Give me yor tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teaming shore; Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Above and below, Sir Francis Bacon and Friends prepared Virginia for the tempest- tost of Bermuda. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Aug 27, 2008 9:20:24 GMT -5
In the advertisement line for "Bangkok Dangerous", Nicholas Cage looks more like a Knight, long hair and all, more attractive. The Statue of Liberty, Consort of Uncle Sam Replica's of Liberty are all over the world, there was even one in China but it was taken down because the Chinese psyche, as in so many "ancient lands", is yet stifled by "storied pomp" from developing the democratic ideal, the inalianable and sacred right to self-govern. Shakespeare Plays are shown the World over to influence and develope the world soul by "releasing the mind of the individual from mob psychology", as Mr. Hall puts it. Obviously, the Builders and Rosicrucians, visible and invisible, are behind this "conspiracy." The invisible is scoffed at as belonging in the metaphysical realm, but simply means that "they" walk among us as ordinary looking people. They existed before the Egyptians and in Egyptian history, as indicated in "Book of Secrets" where Masons run with lighted in the GP torches toward the Capital Building in Washington DC. Laboulaye, August Bartholdi, Benjamin Franklin, Gustav Eiffel, LaFayette, Van Eyck, and before them many of the illustrious persons mentioned in "Notes on Bacon/Shakespeare", many not mentioned, all Masons, Rosicrucians and/or alchemists, were instrumental in manifesting the destiny of the world. "And that claim is by the right of our manifest destiny to overspread and to possess the whole of the continent which Providence has given to us for the development of the great experiment of liberty and federated self-government entrusted to us." John L. O'sullivan en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_DestinyInscribed on the pedestal of the New York statue: "The new Colossus", reminding one of the old - bronze statue of Apollo at Rhodes crowned with the Sun, under which the ships of destiny sailed, and by the way, Bartholdi modeled the New York statues gleaming copper face after his mother Charlotte Bartholdi. Do you see a resemblence there Charlotte
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Post by ariston on Aug 31, 2008 21:01:03 GMT -5
Greetings Charlotte,
Whilst analysing verses within the Tempest, a most excellent play, I happened upon the Introduction;
In the year 1609 the Adventurers and Company of Virginia sent from London, a fleet of eight ships with people to supply and make strong the Colony of Virginia, Sir Thomas Gates being General in a ship of 300 ton. In this ship was also George Somers, who was Admiral, and Captain Newport vice Admiral........................
wrack'd off the coast of Bermodes, or even Bermoothes, betwixt two great rocks.
Love and Light Latona
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Post by Don Barone on Aug 31, 2008 22:41:57 GMT -5
Greetings Charlotte, Whilst analysing verses within the Tempest, a most excellent play, I happened upon the Introduction; In the year 1609 the Adventurers and Company of Virginia sent from London, a fleet of eight ships with people to supply and make strong the Colony of Virginia, Sir Thomas Gates being General in a ship of 300 ton. In this ship was also George Somers, who was Admiral, and Captain Newport vice Admiral........................wrack'd off the coast of Bermodes, or even Bermoothes, betwixt two great rocks. Love and Light Latona Well, well well, isn't that interesting. So there was a Thomas Gates ... Hmmm I wonder what else is fact in the movie ? Cheers Don Barone
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Post by Aurora on Sept 1, 2008 7:40:45 GMT -5
Haha Charlotte, Since last march I have been dabbing in metallic experiments first with copper then bronze the color of Venus, gold hues and other dazzling metallic colors... it is my healing tool for body mind and soul which extend far beyond my little individual...... hue-men the coat of many colors ...... wonder how many know the Language of Color ;-)
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Post by Aurora on Sept 1, 2008 7:51:23 GMT -5
oops I forgot to mention your quote to which I was answering in my last post here it is : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_DestinyInscribed on the pedestal of the New York statue: "The new Colossus", reminding one of the old - bronze statue of Apollo at Rhodes crowned with the Sun, under which the ships of destiny sailed, and by the way, Bartholdi modeled the New York statues gleaming copper face after his mother Charlotte Bartholdi. Do you see a resemblence there ? Charlotte Now to answer your questiion above : yes I see a likeness, lol but this shouldn't be a surprise as I explained above we are the "coat of many colors" we "human" hue man :-)
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 1, 2008 9:40:46 GMT -5
Hi again, Aurora, Yes, I like colors, metallic paints, and metals, but best is gold, and there are gems in "Manifest Destiny" as well. Have to take a good look myself at the Statue of Liberty Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 1, 2008 10:47:07 GMT -5
Greetings Latona and Don, "Wrack'd of the coast of Bermudos - betwixt two great rocks" hmmm, I always imagined myself as the sprite Ariel waiting for Prospero to free me from the "cloven pine tree" the old witch Sycorax has me imprisoned in. Like the earth, she turned into a hoop with age and envy, so it might be yet another story of how to leave the earthly realms by magic. Bermuda was called "Somers Island" because Admiral Somer claimed it for Britain when the "Sea Venture" wrecked. Scholars think that Shakespeare may have derived his inspiration from this event for "The Tempest", his last Play, but if you want to know the "real" truth, it was the last Play because the other Plays treated of the life in England, that being finished, the new age undertaking of Bacon was shipped to Virginia and colonization to manifest human destiny began. The thing was lived, even the Statue of Liberty mantions "the tempest-tost". My dear friend Don, I have been writing my heart out about real people in "National Treasure" 1 and 2, but you still don't believe me, for real I mean. Please go to page 1, reply 3, here, and then read all about Thomas Gates in "National Treasure", which Ben Gates found under "The Trinity Church" in New York, because Shakespeare's funerary monument is 'inside' the "Holy Trinity Church" at Stratford-upon-Avon, and Sir Francis Bacon is the "Swan of Avon". In "National Treasure" the "grandfather" who knighted young Ben Gates (N. Cage), is Christopher Plummer, the real life connection to the movie is the Canadian born actor and international star of Shakespeare Plays, Arthur Orme Christopher Plummer. For this reason, I'm guessing, Jon Turteltaub and Jerry Bruckheimer chose this name for the "grandfather", but also for Christopher Plummer's intellect and accomplisment. "Among his more than 100 feature films are Star Treck VI: The Undiscovered County", yea , and as "a skilled narrator - he recorded several books for children, such as Alice in Wonderland." , but see for yourself www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0006350Soo, says Abigail to Riley "it's an overview and filling in some of just what's involved and how the horizon of NT widens." I read many of your messages yesterday, we have grown Don, yes? Love Charlotte
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Post by ariston on Sept 1, 2008 18:17:20 GMT -5
Greetings Charlotte and Don, ......Eidelwiess!!!!! Somers and Gates. Below is Captain Christopher Newport. Born circa 1565, d 1617. Intriguingly, Sir Christopher Hatton, KG and a dozen other titles, a favourite of Elizabeth, had a nephew named William Newport, it may be quite possible that there was a relationship there. Christopher Hatton sponsored Drake's voyage, indeed, Drake renamed his ship The Golden Hinde in tribute to Hatton's Crest. The film The New World has Colin Farrell as Captain John Smith and Christopher Plummer as NEWPORT, how about that. Pocahontas and all, who is buried just outside London. light Latona
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Post by ariston on Sept 1, 2008 22:40:14 GMT -5
Greetings Charlotte, Don Showing the relationship between the Walsingham's and the Gates'. light Latona
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Post by Aurora on Sept 2, 2008 10:00:17 GMT -5
Hello Charlotte, I read in your posts that there was an attempt to translate the word BARON Why would one translate a title ? BARON is a title in french like COMTE (EARL) and DUKE (DUC).... so I am really at a loss to figure out why folks would try to do that... isn't BARON a title in english ? that is the first think which jumped at me when I read the name of DON DON BARONE...... to be honest I was wondering if it was a real name the first time I came across....... because of the very fact that BARON is a title in french..... Anyway just a snippet with my 2 cents...... DON BARONE is a name with enormous potential but as usual it can be used both ways D ON ... D as in DIEU = GOD hence GOD ON - DOG ON BARONE - BAR as in drinking establishment or law one personally what first came to my mind was BAR ONE = the LAW of ONE Wonder if Don realize how powerful his name is potentially ?
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 2, 2008 20:34:57 GMT -5
Hi Aurora, It was not anyone trying to decipher BARON, (it's a title in German too), I was writing about "The Playfair Cipher" and the name Baron Playfair is connected with it. It's very involved lol. You would have to read "National Treasure" 1 and 2 entirly, and the notes on Bacon/Shakespeare, and google all the names connected with it and follow all the links given on wiki and elsewhere and here, when they were born, who they knew and/or were married too, what they did, when they died etc., etc., lol and really get into it to glean what it's all about. Err, I don't know about elsewhere, but you know how powerful Don is around here, but I get away with everything Running and hiding Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 3, 2008 8:08:38 GMT -5
Thank you for this, Latona, how Bermuda keeps the history alive in the stamp is great, even more interesting is that Thomas Gates was related to the Walsingham's, and Christopher Plummer as Newport in 'The New World' bridges the centuries and relationships. It's mind boggling and appropriate how the history proceeds. President Bush yesterday in his speech at the Convention: "I sat at the Resolute Desk..."
Mr. Hall, writing about his illustrious grandmother in his gentle ways, said the lady was not a name-dropper, but "regarded herself as a remote relative of Queen Victora", and wrote "in fine Spencerian hand."
In connexion with 'Book of Secrets', I find it also interesting that Ben's mother in the movie is Helen Mirren who played the role of Elizabeth I, and Elizabeth II.
Concerning Elizabeth I, mother of the second Earl of Essex, Robert Devereux: Madam Deventer writes:
"From the union of Elizabeth with Leicester sprang a second son, Robert, born in 1567. (The first son being Sir Francis Bacon) This child was also attributed to another family, namely, to Walter Devereux, Lord Hereford.
"The evidence of this are to be found in the writings of his full brother Francis Bacon, referred to in the following pages.
"The Devereux Family tracesits descent from Robert D'Evereux, who came over with William the Conquerer and sttled in Hereford.
"Passing over the intermediate generations, we draw attention to Walter Devereux, Lord Hereford, born 1541, and married in 1561 to Lettice, the eldest daughter of Sir Francis Knollys, Knight of the Garder. The young pair lived at first quite retired upon their estates and were much troubled with financial difficulties.
"Lord Hereford was gradually drawn by Elizabeth to the court, and later became Governor of Ireland.
"In the old genealogical records of the Devereux Herefordfamily are registered three children of the marriage of Walter and Lettice Devereux Hereford.
"The son, Walter, born in 1569, who fell at Rouen 1591; also two daughters, Penelope and Dorothy.
"On March 4, 1572, the Queen elevated Walter Devereux Lord Hereford to the Earldom of Essex,--five years after the birth of Robert Tudor, called Essex. And in the Essex genealogical register of the 16th Century this Robert is not entered as the eldest son until after the Earldom of Essex had been conferred upon his reputed father. As heir to the title he was then put forward as the legitimate sone of the Essex couple.
"Thus at the outset, through the absence of two genealogical records we have two items of negative evidence that not only Francis so-called Bacon, but also Robert so-called Essex, did not belong to these respective families."
Not that it has to be unusual, but like father Robert Dudley so son Robert so-called Essex, but both, Francis and Robert being Tudor's, or Hamlet and Fortinbras in "Hamlet", their lives story, and Elizabeth's Court.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 5, 2008 9:04:01 GMT -5
A brief stay in Paris
Searching for a clue Laboulaye may have left apropos the Statue of Liberty he meant, Ben Gates and Riley find themselves in the "City of Lights". Riley had hired an helicopter to circle the torch of the staute on the "Isle of the Swan" to see if there is in fact an inscription.
The noise of the copter attracts the attention of two Gendarmes on bycicles who stop to see what the commotion is all about. Bon jour, says one, Ben turns and hurries over to take charge of the situation by asking "can I help you" as if they were the visitors. "Ah American" remarks one of the officers, "of course", that's why "you see no problem in disturbing everyone's pleasant morning with your buzzing there."
Ben tries to forstall problems by reminding the Gendarmes how much Montesquieu influenced the Constitution of the United States, surprising the more talkative one who smiles: "Oh you know Montesquieu?" Ben smiles back: "Qui yeah, Montesquieu", and quotes the "French social commentator and political thinker who lived during the era of Enlightenment - who was highly regarded in the British colonies of America - was the most frequently quoted authority on government and politics in colonial pre-revolutionary British America", and power fully influenced "James Madison of Virginia, the "Father of the Constitution." Thought I squeeze this in, Ben quotes:
"A government should be set up so that (the officer joins him) no man need to be afraid of another", they finish together smiling and one mind and soul. Obviously, his words were in vain.
Meanwhile, Riley has captured the clue on the torch of the Statue of Liberty on his camera, and all excited runs to show it to Ben. "I hope you speak French", he says to Riley. "May I" asks the officer politely, which makes Riley, who dislikes authority, uncomfortable: "He's a Cop", he mumbles under his breath, but Ben alleys his concerns by nodding his head yes, "treasurely", he would appreciate it.
"Um hmm", the talkative one reads in broken English: "across the sea these twins stand" - "uhm" he looks at his partner and says in perfect English "you tell me" lol, and the latter reads "resolüte" uhm yea to preserve what we are looking for", it says, they agree. "Laboulaye 1876", uhm "6" nodds the impatient one, glad that it's over.
Ben goes into his thinking out loud mode: "Thes twins stand resolute, lets see -resolute", he paces about reading the palm of his hand, "and the twins", he looks up to heaven for an answer "Siamese Twins - Siam - trade routes between France and Thailand?" Totally befuddled, one officer raises his eyebrow, can't belive what he is hearing, the other and Riley just squint "what is he talking about?". Ben himself realizes its "rediculous", but then he gets it: "HMS Resolute" - a British ship that got lost in the Arctic in the eighteen hundreds got salvaged by American whalers and the Congress sent it back to England - when the ship was finally retired Queen Victoria had 2 desks made from its timbers - "voila"- resolute twins" he ends his rant. This is the historic version and ties in with the first movie, except in it, Ben actually found the ship in the Arctic named "Charlotte" with the famous "Meerschaum Pipe" on board.
In Paris, the two Gendarmes and Riley have recovered from Ben's revelation, and the friendly one asks with tongue in cheek: A -ah- and where are those two desks now?" Ben is excited: "The closest one is in London", and turning to Riley "how fast can we get to Buckingham Palace?" Riley, having been left out of all this conversing had his feelings hurt: "I don't know, why don't you ask one of your best friends", he snaps back.
One of the officers will "call (you) a cab" for the treasure hunters. "Merci bou coup" Ben says to him, and by the way, the cop asks Riley "is it this your helicopter?" Yes it is, acknowledges Riley. "Ok, you get the ticket."
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 11, 2008 10:15:42 GMT -5
London, England
From their brief stay in Paris, it is but a hop and a skip to London. Ben and Riley check into the Savoy. Their suit is beautifully furnished, the walls painted in golden yellow just a shade removed from Benjamin Moore's color "Da Vinci Canvas", and the perfect "Sienna" as found in Venice, Italy, if you care, but they are my favorite colors. Forthwith, the two take a virtual tour of Buckingham Palace and plan how to get undetected to the Queens quarters to inspect the "Resolute Desk" for further clues.
Ben receives a call from his father Patrick who tells him that someone broke into his house and that he was attacked. Worried, Ben says he is coming home, but his father dissuades him saying he is ok and nothing was stolen. As expected, the culprit was Mitch Wilkinson and his buddy, who cloned information on Patrick's cell while he was unconscious.
Mitch, near the Statue of Liberty in New York, listenes in on the conversation between Patrick and Ben, Ben telling his dad that he and Riley have an appoinment with the curater at Buckingham Palace next day. On edge, Ben tells Riley that "someone else is after the treasure". Not surprising, "the axiom of treasure hunting" is, that always someone else is after the treasure, so they have to hurry.
It is next morning and a majestic Buckingham Palace appears on the screen, the gates open, Ben reaches for his appoinment card or whatever ducument one needs to enter the Palace, the guard checks his book, all is proper, Ben and Riley walk in. They are not like ordinary folk who walk into the foyer, instead they are at once on the first floor and Riley comes walking down at the same time he attaches some tech device under a sink by the Gentlemens guest rooms, then another gadget, which looks very complicated to me but would be a piece of cake for Don, inside one of the rooms, does his Geek magic and declares "it's teatime chaps", which I think is one of the few inappropriate and typical American comments in the movie.
Ben puts a listening device in his ear, splashes himself with alcohol and a little bit on his tongue just in case things dont go according to plan and his has to feign drunkeness.
Concerned about Ben's safety, Patrick has alerted Abigail who flies to London in case he needs help. She hurries to the Palace and walking up the stairs she espies Ben. Happy, she now runs up the stairs and calls out his name. Ben is startled "Abigail, what are you doing here?" Riley is even more upset and tells Ben to "loose her". Abigail is cruhed, I came to help you, she says. That's nice of you but very bad timing, replies Ben. Riley takes charge of the situatuion and tells Ben to make "a scene".
A great and boisterous scene it is, Ben acts drunk and overly obnoxious, Abigail catches on quickly and the old familiar boyfriend/girlfriend plays out. Ben allies himself with the crowd to tell them how interesting it is that she thinks that he is wrong even when he is right, and moreover, that just because he can answer a question quickly doesn't make it wrong. No, she says, her problem is that they don't make decisions together, but that's not really the issue with Abigail.
A guard intervenes and tells Ben to "take the Misses outside", upon which Ben gets out of hand sliding down the banister screaming nonesense. Enough already, the chief guard orders Ben to "dismount the banister" lol, grabs him by the arm and forces him outside. Riley thought the scene "was brilliant", but I think that you think this a rather boring account, but how else would you know how they got to the "Resolute Desk".
Charlotte
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Post by Aurora on Sept 12, 2008 3:17:34 GMT -5
Teatime = T time = T is an anchor shape in reverse after he just placed 2 anchors = the 2 spying tech devices very fitting I would say :-)
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 13, 2008 17:48:47 GMT -5
Hi Aurora, I can't follow your thinking here, but each has their own understanding, and the good thing is that all ways lead to Giza Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 17, 2008 9:24:35 GMT -5
Actually, Ben was not forced outside after his snit. He and Abigail are led to a small cell and told to "stay put", keep on quarreling until the guard is out of hearing range. Abigail wants to know whats going on, Ben tells her that she was "excellent back there" playing her part in the scene, and asks when she figured out that it was fake argument.
Abigail is so frustrated with Ben and answers with a question: "When did you figure out that I was really arguing during the fake argument?" He figured it out right in the middle where he assumed that he is always right. Knowing that Riley overhears all they say, Ben now impatient: "Riley get us outa here", but Abigail is not finished yet: "When you get to a conclusion without asking and you just 'happen' to be right, you get lucky". Hmmm, Ben looks at the ceiling, squints to hide a smile "I get lucky a lot", he says. These words make sense only if you watch the movie attentively, and understand how Ben's mind works without working.
Abigail puts her foot down "where does this leave me, Ben?" Ok, "you wanna know why I'm here", right, yes she nods. Supressing a smile, Ben looks into the camera something like "see how easy this is and how I do", leans to whisper in her ear: "Yhere might be a clue in the "Resolute Desk" in the Queens study, does that help?" It's maddening for Abigail, "I dont know why it is so difficult for you to include others in your decisions. Just because you know what my answer is going to be doesn't mean you don't have to ask me". Ben doesn't almost know how to respond to such a statement and welcomes Riley's voice: "Door number 1 open".
I sometimes wonder if anyone reading these posts actually 'watched' the movie a second time.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 18, 2008 10:22:20 GMT -5
Riley opened door number 1, a gate of an enclosure for people who don't behave themselves at Buckingham Palace.
Ben and Abigail walk out and Ben smooths Abigails ruffled feathers: "Ok, let me try this out, Abigail, would you like to come with me please?" The tone of his voice makes her feel much better but she answers matter-of-factly "yes, thank you". He immediately dashes her hopes again "ridiculous, you're staying here, it's too dangerous", she won't have it, well then "call Security" she threatens.
Time is of the essence now, Ben grabs a large bouquet of flowers and reading her mind: no they're not for the Queen, "there's is no flag flying the Queen is at Windsor". He climbs into a I suppose food elevator, "bye bye" Abigail. "No", she prevents him from closing the door, ok then "get in", Ben almost looses his cool. Riley tells him not to let her go, a guard is on the way, Ben hands her the flowers, closes the door, and they are safe for the moment.
The elevator is rather small and the only thing between them is the rather large bouquet of flowers through which Ben looks at her. "What", she asks coyishly and he sort of nestles his face in the flowers "you're wearing the perfume I bought" he says. "So?", she says airily, but a certain shyness takes hold of her when he wispers "so, I think it smells kind of pretty". Abigail becomes very beautiful and helpless now "it's the flowers Ben", she steadies herself, "no it's no--ot" he sounds and she simply has to turn away.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 23, 2008 17:52:38 GMT -5
Ben and Abigail made up and climbed out of the service elevator. A servant walks by and Ben mumbles something about why they are there and the flowers..., he didn't have to finish because the servant couldn't care less. Riley, still in hiding, tells them to go left but it's "a dead end", tells them to "go right", and they come to a wing-door, which Abigail opens and they are in the Queens Office looking at one of two, now famous, thanks to the movie, "Resulute Desk". They have not much time and quickly position themselves under the desk to look for a or more clues, and see the nam "Malcolm Gilvary 1880". Riley checks the name and finds that Gilvary made "Chinese puzzle boxes", not furniture. Gilvary's Chinese puzzle has 14 colorful pieces with symbols to match 60 challenge cards. Ben pulls out a board, aha, I see, "I think these drawers work like tumblers in a safe". Abigail sees four of them, and wonders, "four drawers, four digit combination", but they are boards like I said. "What about a year? Abigail asks Riley. "Aumm, let me see", up comes "Victoria, born in 1819. Ben tumbles those numbers, no luck. "1876 was on the inscription on the statue in Paris, let's try thay", says Ben, and both work on the combinations. After a few seconds of unbelievable suspence Ben carefully turns a wheel, click click and so on, and when he hears the right click he pushes down a pin and voila, the right hand top real drawer of the "Resolüte Desk", that's French for resolute, right Aurora, springs open. Hmmm, it's a piece of old wood with Inca and Aztec hieroglyphs carved in it, the likes of which Abigail has never seen, "centuries older than the Civil War". Ben, "what do you think it means?" He doubts "it has anything to do with the plot to assassinate Lincoln", but just in case, he puts it in his pocket. Meanwhile, the Palace guard discovers that his "detainees are missing", and Riley, watching all on his computer, sounds "mayday, make it outa there", and sets off the fire alarm. You can imagine the ensuing confusion, guards and Bobby's with guns checking all puplic areas but, of course, could never pick Ben, Abigail, and Riley out of the crowd. They are already out of the gate, and guess what? Mitch Wilkinson is waiting for them to steal whatever they found. They walk along and Riley want's to see just what they found and Ben gives the plague to him. What? Riley looks at it, we went through all that and "all you got is this old piece of wood?" Ben turns and espies Wilkinson, they start running to their waiting Merzedes, Riley shouts "I will drive", jumps in, but dang, there is no steering wheel on the drivers side. Ben takes the keys from his pocket and looks at Riley "we're in England". Oh jea, they drive on the wrong side of the street. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 25, 2008 10:15:22 GMT -5
Sorry, have to go in to my routine, but I thinks it's becoming more interesting. Ben voiced doubts concerning the old piece of wood engraved with Inca and Aztec symbols having anything to do with the plot to assassinate Lincoln. Additionally, I was wondering about the rather strange name for a desk, "Resolute Desk". The history goes that "in the early 1850s, four ships went out to "search for famed English explorer, Sir John Franklin". The Resulute and another ship "became lodged in the Arctic ice", and "remained stuck - for two full seasons", but broke free the following summer "and was found by an American fishing vessel captained by James Buddingham - was towed into port and purchased by Congress for $40,000 and refitted", then "presented to Queen Victoria on December 17, 1856 as a token of peace. The Resolute served in the Royal Navy for 23 years following its return." An inscription on a plate on the twin desk in the Oval Office, reads: "H.M.S. RESULUTE forming part of the expedition sent in search of SIR JOHN FRANKLIN IN 1852, was abandoned in latitude 74 degrees 41 minutes N longitude 101 degrees 22 minutes W on 15th May 1854. She was discovered and extricated in September 1855 in latitude 67 degrees N by Captain Buddingham of the United States Whaler GEORGE HENRY." All the English names ending in "ham" are bacon's Trying to figure out the clue Ben and Riley found on the torch of the Statue of Liberty in Paris, vis, "These twins stand resolute", Ben says: "H.M.S. RESOLUTE", I couldn't hear if he said it in capital letters, "a British ship that got lost in the Arctic in the eighteen hundreds and got salvaged by American whalers and the Congress sent it back to England, etc., etc. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 26, 2008 11:59:42 GMT -5
In the movie also the desk's are twins. From the timbers of the "H.M.S. RESOLUTE", also called "The Queen's Ghost Ship", probably because it was lost and hidden under the Arctic ice, the "Resolute Desk" for President Hayes was "built by William Evenden, a skilled joiner employed at the Royal Naval Dockyard in Chatham." "Queen Victoria did have a writing table constructed from the timbers of the H.M.S. Resolute, which was kept for many years in Buckingham Palace, but was not a twin to the desk which was presented to President Hayes." ? (wiki) For our purposes this is not important, what is, is the friendship and bond between the two Nations in its original and intentional conception, barely, if it all recognizable these days. A ship can steam resolutely to a destination, and the RD can simply mean a desk were decisions are made resolutely, but as far as NT is concerned, it means the indissoluble bond between Britain and the US planed for by Sir Francis Bacon concerning the further development, world-wide regeneration, and destiny of Humanity, again I say, sum'd up in the Fama and Confessio: Europe is pregnant with child and shall bring forth a child who is greatly in need of a Godfather's gift. As shown in more detail in NT1, the Godfather is Francis Bacon, and also Uncle Sam, and it were the Luminaries of Europe and Great Britain who impregnated these mother lands, as discussed briefly in "Notes on Bacon/Shakespeare" with the immeasurable help of Latona. The poeple of America and the World do not know, hence cannot read or hear Lord Bacon's Advertisement. "The Author was asked by a Friend, to what great Personage he intended to dedicate his Book? answered To the P U B L I C At the grand Tribunal, from whose Sentence there can be no Appeal, he willingly submits to be try'd. And as Candour and Justice of that Court, has never yet been inpeach'd, he shall most patiently acquiesse to their Judication, whether he is acquitted or condemned." Now, we, the American Public, representing the peoples of all Nations, creed and color, the melting pot, he has appointed his grand Tribunal submitting willingly to be judged by us. It is for Humanity "he toiled to endow the world", planted "a goodly Tree" for the shade of all Nations, and his Love's Labour's are not lost but are coming to fruition, even as the abuses of current World systems produce their own ashes and the Phoenix of World Democracy can rise. The Journey Perilous of Humanity is helped by us watering the goodly Tree to bloom. As when a rosebud first untrammeleth the shells of her swathing petals and looseneth their embrace so the sunlight may enter to flush the casket of her virgin promise, fairer than her full bloom shall ever be, ere its glories lie squandered in death. The Tudor Rose grows on Holy Ground, take off my shoes 'Twas of that silent meeting his high vision came, rapturous as any vision ever to a poet given, since in that sacrament he rebaptized his soul and lived hereafter in love, by the merit of faith toiling to endow the world. And on those feathered wings his mighty poem mounted panting, and all lieth now with all its earthly tangle by the throne of God. Lord Francis Bacon Verulam
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 27, 2008 10:51:43 GMT -5
Ben doubts that the "Resolute Desk" has anything to do with the assassination of Lincoln, not directly, but there is a connection to the resolute determination to carry out their plans. The ship Resolute sailed in the early 1850s. Francis Lieber, (1798-1872), the Jurist and political Philosopher, born in Berlin, "threw himself resolutely into the conflict; he fought with his tongue and pen - for the Union cause", and "assisted Abraham Lincoln in drafting legal guidelines for the Union Army..." "It was in 1860 that Lieber entered into relations with Bluntschli and Laboulaye, and bound himeslf to them in close friendship, they were liberal, too; they also wanted to see progress. He used to like to say "that he had formed with these illustrious publicists a scientific clover-leaf representing the international character of Anglo-American, German, and French civilizations." Concerning the position of the H.M.S. RESOLUTE being stuck in the Arctic ice, I can add, that aside from what is engraved on the plate on the desk at the Oval Office, that she became lodged at "Viscount Melville Sound and found in the ice of David Straight of Baffin Island, 1200 miles from where she had been abandoned." Of course, I had to check with Riley on what his "tracking device", called "Riley's Pool Of Knowledge", as Don pools his in his super-computer, registered when the "Target" at the North Pole was reached. None of the numbers matched, probably because the alternatively inclined Riley worked with "Hieroglyphs", the "Cardano Grill", and an "Ocular Device", on which a straw-skirted and little else pretty girl dances the hula hula, so it's easy to see why Riley couldn't get his latitudes and longitudes straight. He did say, however, the "hurricane force ice storms cause Ocean's to freeze resulting in a semi-solid migrating landmass", and a the ship "Charlotte" they were looking for, he tells Ian the bad guy, would "be right about here" where they're standing, actually I'm sitting right here, but don't tell anyone. This would account for the 1200 mile drift of Her Majesty Queen Victoria's Ship, the "RESOLUTE". "But Charlotte, it's a movie!" No, it's a momentous Epic of ourstory in the making, of the "New Atlantis" conceived by the "Chancellor of Parnassus", Sir Francis Bacon, Baron Verulam. Extract from Francis Bacon's Draft Will: To my COUNTRYMEN OF THE FUTURE AGES
For my Name and Memory, I leave to Men's Cheritable Speeches, and to FOREIGN NATIONS, and the NEXT AGES: And to mine Countrymen after SOME TIME BE PAST. Charlotte
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Post by Aurora on Sept 28, 2008 9:29:34 GMT -5
RESOLUTE = RE SOL UT e is silent doesn't count very interesting ........
and the cherry on the cake As when a rosebud first untrammeleth the shells of her swathing petals and looseneth their embrace so the sunlight may enter to flush the casket of her virgin promise, fairer than her full bloom shall ever be, ere its glories lie squandered in death.
Lord Francis Bacon what a poet :-) thanks for that moment of pure joy :-)
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Post by Charlotte on Sept 29, 2008 9:53:13 GMT -5
Hi Aurora,
Glad it brought you joy. In reading poetry the soul takes wings and soars to where the words may take it.
Francis Bacon is know as "The Prince of Poets", my source of wisdom, all else I leave to greater minds.
Regards
Charlotte
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