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Post by Charlotte on Jun 6, 2008 8:36:50 GMT -5
To all Treasure Lovers Before I purchased the DVD, I read some twenty or so reviews of NT II by movie critics, both men and women, in various News Papers of the US, Great Britain, Canada, etc., to see what the experts had to say. Judging by reviews of NT, their assessment was predictable, but I had not quite expected so much superficiality and stupidity, the latter one man's term for BoS, insulting Jerry Bruckheimer and Jon Turteltaub with their comments. For people who have not read the "critical" reviews, to compare what is in their minds and what it is not, and to get it off my chest, I must counter a few examples of their scathing words with some of my own. "Three years ago, Jerry Brookheimer, with his unfailing ability to make movies that make endless amounts of money without filling any previously unfulfilled need, oversaw National Treasure, a moderately silly, moderately stupid and shockingly enjoyable matinee-style adventure yarn best described as "The Da Vinci Code but with American history." Most assuredly, Timothy Bryton hasn't a clue of what needs to be filled in of the history of the past 500 years, roughly, of British and American history (and beyond), pertaining to both National Treasures, or he wouldn't make such shockingly stupid remarks. "Bruckheimer being Bruckheimer, it is deeply unsurprising that there is now a sequel, National Treasure: Book of Secrets, and it is a little sillier than the original, and a little stupider, and somehow it still manages to be shockingly enjoyable. It's no Indiana or North by Northwest - both obvious inspiration for the tiny army of scenarists and screenwriters - but in all it's unabashed goofiness and cheerful, almost crazed disregard for this thing we call "reality," Book of Secrets is just about the breeziest popcorn flick to come out all year, besting by a considerable margin Bruckheimer's last franchise effort, the leaden and overlong Pirates of the Carribbean. At World's end."antagonie.blogspot.com/2007/12/finding-long-forgotten-gold.htmlThus thinks Timothy Brayton/Riverrun Productions. "Lord knows it's hokum, but pretty damned entertaining hokum", and adds "Jon Turteltaub is nobody's idea of a major director, with a severely anonymous body of work to this point..." Judging by his "view", Mr. Bryton has obviously given no thought to this, his sentence. All he has to offer is his own stub-born perception. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jun 7, 2008 8:51:40 GMT -5
Mr. Adam Tobias of the Daily Times staff, writes:
"I realize that "Book of Secrets" is supposed to be mindless fun that can help people forget about all the stress and hassle of the holiday season, but it's hard to be entertained because the film has so many flaws. -- Just about everything in "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" is exactly the same as in the first installment...", it "falls under the category of been there done that. --Let's just hope next time director Jon Turteltaub brins something new to the table."
Mr. Tobias has been nowhere and done nothing apropos both movies, rushing past Mt. Rushmore he want's something new, is blinder than a bat to what's already on the table, cannot pick up on the movies spun together on purpose. And why should he? All his colleagues see alike and think alike, focusing on meaningless "fillers" necessary to make such a movie, and I suppose historical "flaws". It's not a documentary, and even if it was, historians, and I have been paying attention, see and think alike too with minor variations of "official" history, refusing to acknowledge the "more to it", or dismissing it as someone's fancy or a hoax: it is not part of our academic curriculum and we don't want to hear it.
Metromix Chicago Movies
By Matt Pias
Big question: Even if the "Book of Secrets" ia as silly as the original "National Treasure"--in which a tresure map was found on the back of the Declaration of Independence--can at least be as goofily entertaining?
Skip it: What once felt like fun, harmless adventure--kinda like riding Big Thunder Mountain at Disney World--now may actually slow your pulse down, except for unintentionally hysterical stuff like Gates deciphering in seconds that a desk is actually a huge combination lock with a clue inside. If someone read the script out loud on a street corner, they'd be arrested immediately--not for being a conspiracy theorist, just for the improper distribution of garbage."
Well, Ben's ability to deciphering things in seconds has increased exponentially because accumulative, which I can't say about Mr. Pais concerning his ability as a move critic.
Catch it: If you're happy to let the movie provide you with all the answers, no matter how obvious they might be. Even when there's a direct shot of a large sign that reads "J.Edgar Hoover FBI Building," the movie still provides text onscreen identifying that it is, in fact, the J.Edgar Hoover FBI Building. Thanks for solving that mystery."
The meaning of the first sentence must makes sense only to the author? And the "fact" of the Hoover Building seems to be most important to Mr. Pais because it is a fact he can safely acknowledge.
Bottom line: Like an episode of "The Real World," everything that happens is totally bonkers, but you're able to watch casually, cracking up at fools taking their own spewing nonsense seriously. But among lots of absurd explanations it's impossible to care about the search for answers to stupid questions, and maybe "Book of Secrets" might stumble onto something resembling treasure if its mental map weren't so mixed up."
In the chaos of both moves the treasure shines, but our critics see and judge only by the chaos in themselves I almost said.
Bonus: The one thing in the movie that we understand is Gates' dad (Jon Voight) asserting that once a piece of information is on the Internet, "there's no stopping it now." It's also what the cast of "High School Musical" now calls, "the Venessa Hudgens rule."
Though Mr. Pais understands it in terms of what he says, it is on the World-Wide-Web to become an international treasure, the web "came about" in tandem with the need for the "treasured past" to be revealed and for all to be had because "it belongs to the world and all the people in it", Ben echoes FBI agent Sadusky's "give it to the people."
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jun 9, 2008 9:22:52 GMT -5
shadowsonthewall.co.uk/08/natitrea.htmMr. Rich Cline cast his shadow on the wall: "Even more preposterous than the first film, this bloated romp keeps us entertained with the sheer spectacle of the thing, rather than anything interesting." Ms. Victoria Alexander doesn't judge too kindly either. The lady states that she was "In Morocco for the opening of "Book of Secrets". Interesting, because Morocco holds many secret books guarded by the afrits on the high planes of the Atlas Mountains. Ben's mother Emily bought a rug with "sacred stitchings" in Morocco, probably in Marrakesh, or just outside in Meknes, where the mad Sultan Ismail built a singularly splendid Serpentine Fountain, the entrance to which was the "Gate of the Renegate", and to which he took the French Ambassador, and bowing, he said: "Salaam, this is the version of the Stone of the Arabian Faylasufs."* Perhaps it is there Ben's mother began to learn how to "figure out ancient mumbo-jumbo pictograms", Ms. Alexander has it. Of course, there is the "bickering" about toothbrushes and wrongly packed luggage, which mostly caught the attention of the Critics. *read page 217 of Zanoni, and page 106 in "Francis Bacon's Personal Life Story" by Alfred Dodd. "Follow along with me as best as you can", Ms. Alexander blazes away: "Benjamin Franklin Gates (Nicolas Cage) has another American mystery to solve. Seems his great great grandpappy was the target of a rumor linking him to the assassination of President Lincoln by John Wilkes Booth. The family name has been besmirched! Once again the nasty Mason sect embedded secrets all over Washington DC.'s historical monuments. The hidden clues are so convoluted that no one has the mental energy to care %u2013 except Gates' nutty, nostril-flaring, overacting father, Patrick Gates (Jon Voight)." Acquainted with Egyptian affairs, Ms. Alexander humorously predicts: "I understand that the plot for the 3rd goes something like this: The St Luis Art Museum's Antiquity Department , now headed by Abigail, is facing allegations the an ancient Egyptian mask in its collection was stolen from a warehouse in Saqqara, Egypt in the 1980'. Superstar Dr Zahi Hawass, head of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities and Director of the Giza Pyramids Excavation, believes the so-called Mask of Ka-nefer-nefer was looted from Egypt and illegally sold. Upon studying the mask's provenance, it appears Ben's recently deceased father was in the Saqqara warehouse and duddled his name inside the mask. Now Ben must clear his father's tainted reputation by traveling to Malibu, Turkey, Jordan and Egypt." Not very imaginative plot, wrong direction, and as Riley would say "that's not gonna happen." www.rottentomatoes.com/m/national_treasure_book_of_secrets/articles/1704429/Another lady,Kam Williams, writes pretty much the same stuff, calls our hero "red, white, and blue-blooded Ben", which I like, and is the only critic I read to detect or mention, that the bad guy Mitch Wilkonson is the great grandson of Wilkes Booth. Ms. Alexander concludes: "Over-stimulating brain bubblegum guaranteed to take kids under ten straight to adrenaline heaven." newblaze.com/story/20080516183000tsop.nb/newsblaze/ENTERTAI/story.htmlLastly, the seasoned film critic Roger Ebert of stern face and "I tell you how it is" expression. Reading his critique, I'm sorry to say that with age did not come wisdom. "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" has without a doubt the most absurd and fevered plot since, oh, say, "National Treasure" (2004). What do I mean by fevered? What would you say if I told you that Mt. Rushmore was carved only to erase landmarks pointing to a fabled City of Gold inside the mountain? That the holders of this information involved John Wilkes Booth and a Confederate society named the Knights of the Golden Circle? And that almost exactly the same people who tracked down the buried treasure in the first movie are involved in this one?" I would say that such flat and shallow thinking isn't woth commenting on. "I have only scratched the surface. The heroes of this tale have what can only be described as extraordinary good luck. Benjamin once again is the intuitive code-breaker, who has only to look at a baffling cunundrum to solve it." Mr. Ebert has no surface to scratch on as obvious from the first paragraph, has no mind to see Benjamin's, and "what about" when Ben sprinkles designer water on the rocks, which "Benjamin interprets" to mean "an ancient mention of "rain from a cloudless sky", which shows the way to "the City of Gold." Not one of the critics "heard" Ben's mother say that "Cibola means the center of the World." Mr. Ebert's fool-prove rational: "For that matter, it's never explained why so many people over so many generations have spent so much time and money gusrding the City of Gold. And why leave clues if they are designed never to be interpreted, and for that matter, you don't want anyone to interpret them? And allthough lots of gold has been mined in South Dakota, how much would it take to build a city? Remember, all the gold in Fort Knox is only enough to fill Fort Knox, which is about as big as City Hall in the underground city. "Yes, I know, all this is besides the point." True. "The person who attends "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" expecting logic and plausability is on a fools mission. This is a Mouth Agape Movie, during which your mouth hangs open in astonishment at one preposterous event after another. This movie plot doesn't play tennis with a net, but also without ball and racket. It spins in its own blowback. And no, I don't know what it means, but this is the kind of movie that I gotta say, the movie has terrific if completely unbelievable special effects. The actors had fun, I guess. You might, too, if you like goofiness like this. Look at the cast... You could start with a cast like that and make one of the greatest movies of all time, which is not what happened here." rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071219/REVIEWS/2621814... There you have it. All in all, Nicholas has lots of fun in this stupid popcorn flick, Justin is irritating, Patrick befuddled as ever, Helen is a good addition as a supporting actress, and Abigail is "uptight" and "as wooden as ever", probably because she isn't a 'sex in the city' type. German women are naturally uptight and wooden , like Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jun 10, 2008 8:59:34 GMT -5
Though somewhat in the background, Thomas Gates plays a germane part in the movies. As can be found on this forum in "National Treasure", Sir Thomas Gates, "the Deputy-Governor-to-be of the Colony" was involved in the colonization of Virginia in America.
"On 15 July 1610 Sir Thomas gates left Virginia to return to England. He brought with him an extreemely long letter of 20,000 words (more a long pamphlet or short book) from Strachey to an unnamed and unidentifiable Lady who cannot have been a member of the all male Council. C.M. Gayley in his Shakespeare and the founders of liberty in America 1917, p. 50, writes of the letter: "It was confidential and from June 2 1609 up to the time of the dispatch, describes with vivid fidelity and unvarnished detail" all the bad things that happened there in that period.
"Gates arrived back in England September 1610, and no doubt passed the letter to the Lady addressee who must have handed it over to the Council."
The sought treasure came from England via a renegate ship to America and is two-fold: "the treasured past" and the golden treasure.
In NT 1, the dying Charles Carroll, a signer of the DoI, rides to the White House (1832) to convey a secret to Andrew Jackson, but the President is not in and Carroll is forced to entrust the secret to Thomas Gates. There were "six generation" of Gates "fools" hunting treasure.
The first in the movies is Grandpa Gates, who knighted Benjamin Franklin Gates, and sends him on the treasure hunt during which he met and fell in love with Abigail Chase, herself chasing history.
Patrick Gates, son of Grandpa and father of Ben, also met his Emily on a treasure hunt because he says to Abigail: "She fell in love with me on a treasure hunt." In the movie they were in Morocco, and I had them in Meknes, which means "a clean place" or "place of cleaning", because the treasure beyond all imaginings" of Grandpa, which Ben is after, is the same as the "singularly splendid Serpentine Fountain - the Stone of the Arabian Faylasufs" of the renegate Sultan Ismail. Only mad people, Bruckheimer's and Turteltaub's believe such stories.
Soo, says Ben to all the critics: "Put that in your Meerschaum Pipe and smoke it."
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jun 12, 2008 8:50:39 GMT -5
In my last post "Shakespeare and the founders of liberty in America", should be in italics, not bold To the question if he would mind doing a third National Treasue, Nicholas Cage answered: "With National Treasure, I believe that it should become more and more International Treasure. I was very happy to see that we went to London, England and Paris, France, but I'd like the movie go wider still. I'd like to go into Africa, Egypt, Asia, and keep going. My hope is that Ben is recruited and he gets a dossier from these other countries about their history, and has to download it and learn it, and then try to go on these hunts on their behalf. That would be a lot of fun for me." Nicely said, don't you think? Cage, or the other actors, couldn't do these movies without gaining inside of what they are about. Jon Turteltaub gives this great clue. When asked what's on page 47, he answered: "I'll tell you, what is on page 47 is I think the single greatest secret in America today...which is...the plot of Star Treck." Touché!!! In the castle like structure on Vulcan is the temple of Amorak, a repository of ancient knowledge. Unlike our wiseacring critics, the "people", especially the "baby-boomers plus age" are much smarter because they sense that there is something to these movies. They speculate about 'the Holy Grail', 'Book of Revelation', Ark of the Covenant', 'Maya calendar', 'fountain of youth', 'Star Treck', the Beale cipher came up, and one person mentioned that "the lost Colony of Roanoke is still a mystery." Jamestown en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamestown_IslandNotice the swirling Templar Cross, not mentiened in the brief description. Writing about NT 1, the first note I have is: "Plot: treasure hunter Benjamin Franklin Gates (Cage) looks to discover the truth behind the assassination of President Lincoln, by uncovering the mystery within the 18 pages missing from the Lincoln diary." (Not Booth diary) I found this staement odd because NT was not about Lincoln's assassination. According to the FBI, 43 pages are missing from the Booth diary, but I'm sure they'll be found at the right time. en.wikipedia.org/wiki?National_Treasure_(film)"Although the audio commentary says that there were no plans for a sequel, the popularity of the first film warranted a sequel, which was given the go-ahead in 2005. National Treasure: Book of Secrets is expected to be coming out December 21, 2007." My point being that the Treasure story is already finished, but being released by the by, and hopefully out critics will see something new connecting with the old, and eventually a light bulb must go on as to what these movies are about. In NT, think I have "demonstrated", or not, with Don's help, that Sir Francis Bacon was the "Godfather" and Founder of America because Europe was too emired in old traditions etc., and open spaces were necessary. Writng out NT, the second notes I made were Novus Ordo Seclorum "A new order of the Ages" Meant is not the evil NWO as thought by many. In ourstory are uncountable means to our end. Annuit Coeptis "Providence has Favored Our Undertaking" Francis Bacon: "Let us, being instructed by Divine Providence, follow on to better things." It is an "undertaking." E Pluribus Unum "Out of Many, One" Out of many races, one; out of the many the true democratic individual, whose "duty" it is to think for himself, and govern himself, rises, and once the Treasure in international, many democratic individuals will rise. The beginning is already evident all over the World. We must read Riley's book Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jun 15, 2008 11:21:02 GMT -5
The first link was wrong, couldn't find again the one this comes from. MASSIVE MOVIE SECRETS "In any creative medium, designers will often interject small but noticeable references that only the most attentive fans will find. Easter Eggs as they're sometimes called, these hidden secrets are most often found in movies and video games." Not to forget books, novels, myths, legends, outlandish stories, fiery tales etc., but the works of Shakespeare/Bacon emanate from the cosmic egg, our origin. Eggs of all colors, ham and bacon go and are served together at break-fest. People of today don't know that it was Francis Bacon and his foster father, Sir Nicholas Bacon, who first egged out that ham and bacon go together. Jested Francis: "A malefactor mightily importuning the Judge on the Northern Circuit, Sir Nicholas Bacon, to save his life...desired mercy on account of kindred. "Prethee," said my Lord the Judge, How came that in?" "Why if it please your Lordship, (replied the malefactor) your name is Bacon and mine is Hog, and in all ages Hog and Bacon have been so near kindred that they should not be seperated." The story concludes that a Hog cannot be be Bacon unless it is slaughtered and hanged, or sacrificed as the Welch thought of it. Lucky for my interpretation, there is an Easter egg hunt on the White House lawn in "Book of Secrets." The informing design of the main page of the official Walt Disney site. adisney.go.com/disneyvideos/liveaction/nationaltreasure2/text_only.htmlThe Statue of Liberty - fronting the Ark of Triumph in Paris is Mt. Rushmore - Big Ben. Then the Great Pyramid with 2 corners partially lit and transparent. I see Pharaoh sitting on his throne and Masons tending to whatever Masons tend to because I see a large Masons square, and looking closer I see some of these buiders carry lighted torches from the GP to the Capital in Washington DC. To the right the Eiffel Tower. In the middle the ever "Seeing Eye" in the triangle. A fine horizontal line is drawn from underneath the clock of Big Ben to underneath the "Eye" to the capstone, seperating it from the GP. Presiding over all in the foreground is the chief figure and current descendant of the Knights Templar, Ben Gates, holding a ribbon bound scroll near and dear to him in his left hand, and with his exaggerated right arm and hand he holds the torch to our sight: the spiral contained flame of which he is the Keeper. Like Athena on the Great Seal of the State of California, he looks into the future. Whatever Ben touches his torch/flame lights up an entire area, such as the dark Treasure Room in NT1, and the cave under Mt. Rushmore in NT2. Here flames leap up in the drawing, sparks flying on his jacket even and causing little points of light. Spacehippie has nothing on me as far as long-winded Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jun 16, 2008 8:35:45 GMT -5
Somewhere was stated, and I agree National Treasure = Changing Tides Book of Secrets One out of 21 keywords given is "amputee", and the first shot of the movies shows a wooden stick or crutch on which a man supports himself, his right leg missing. Interesting, because this symbolic figure is hidden in some hard cover books, and is one of two figures of the five of Pentacles in "The Rider Tarot Deck", interpreted as "material trouble" and "destitution." But because there is a women with both feet on the ground walking with the injured man, it also means "concordance" and "affinity". Nice! Following the amputee in the movie are needy people, verloren and tired from the Cicil War, which ended five days ago. It is April 14, 1865. The Confederates had lost the war, but the Lakers won yesterday Seething inside, the Southerners are bent to begin another but different war to have the country ala southern thinking. During the noisy celebration, two men approach studious Thomas Gates, who in the backroom of a tavern mulls over papers, his son by his side paying close attention. After the two bad guys had established that they were indeed talking to Thomas Gates, and having read that he was "quiet good with puzzles and riddles", one of them asked to have a "coded message" deciphered. Thomas looks at the page and recognizes it as the "Playfair" cipher. His son wonders: "Playfair cipher?" Uneasy and vigilant, Thomas tells the men that it is impossible to decode the cipher without a key. The dumber looking of the two asks what Thomas means by "a key". Meant is "a keyword or phrase", Thomas explains. The keyword or phrase "is right there", says Wilkes Booth, (it's his diary), pointing to a word or letters under a line: NDAYO, as far as I can see, and the phrase "The dept that all men pay." Thomas Gates remarks that he need stime to decode the page, also buying time to find out what the men are up to. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 6, 2008 9:52:23 GMT -5
Was his name Mudd? Waiting for Thomas Gates to decode the page, the "stupid twaddling fellow" Mudd tells Booth to go ahead with their plan to assassinate President Lincoln, and he will catch up with him later. Booth leaves for the Ford Theater, where he shoots the President at point blank range, jumps from the balcony and fanatically shouts "Sic Semper Tyranis!" In the backroom of the tavern, Mudd watches T. Gates circling the word "Templed" and underline the letters "FGaD", above which letters can be seen "TO CIBOLA". Doing so, he realizes that it's "a treasure map". Saying this, a coin with receding horizontal bars depicting a youthful and handsome face in profile and wearing a strange spiked helmet appears on the screen above the letters K G C. Another oddity is the word "Tuesday ?" in modern script on the bottom of the page. Realizing that Booth and Mudd et all are traiders, T. Gates almost paniks knowing his life is in danger. Mudd demands of Gates the code be deciphered "now" and cocks his gun, but is destracted for a moment by someone shouting that the President has been shot. The moment affords Gates the opportunity to rip pages out of the diary to throw in the fire, and as he does Mudd wounds him mortally. Dying, he says to Mudd "the war is over", no, "the war has just began", replies Mudd. Thomas' young son looks on in horror, holding his dying father's hand he hears his last words "the dept that all men pay". Grief-stricken, the boy runs out and shouts for help, in vain. In the movie, the names of the two men demanding Gates to decipher the code are not given. It is known that Booth shot Lincoln, and assumed that Mudd was his main conspirator, however, eight persons are implicated in the records to have been involved in the crime. It is written that Booth broke his leg jumping from the balcony of the Theater and/or tripping over the American Flag, and Dr. Samuel Mudd bandaged and splinted it at his home. The two men had met previously three known times, therefore Mudd was suspected of being a party to the assassination, which his descendants deny to this day, if any are still alive. Though the "dumber" of the two men in the movie resembles Mudd, he was obviously an educated man, but of the Confederate underground and "southern" mindset of the time. As far as I know, there are still such-like ruddy types running about waving their flag at nothing getting nowhere Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 9, 2008 8:27:32 GMT -5
Sic Semper Tyrannis Thus ever to Tyrants Reportedly, the phrase is attributed to Brutus at the assassination of Julius Caesar. Neither Julius Caesar nor Abraham Lincoln were tyrants save for those who opposed them. Caesar was no ordinary man as he revived the Dionysian rites, which the Roman senate didn't like for obvious reasons, and equally extraordinary Lincoln was a tyrant only to the racist and ignorant Confederate's. Sic Semper Tyrranis was "recommended by George Mason to the Virginia Convention in 1776. It is the state motto of Virginia - The Seal of the Commonwealth of Virginia (and) shows Virtue, sword in hand, with her foot on the prostrate form of Tyranny, whose crown lies nearby. The Seal was designed by George Wythe, who signed the United States Declaration of Independence and thaught law to Thomas Jefferson." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic_semper_tyrranisWhat more can I say... but that "the phrase is also the motto of the US city of Allentown", where I a- and delighted in a Grateful Dead concert once upon a time. Talking about Francis Bacon as the Godfather of America, Fern went to her trunk and fetched a flag with this "Great Seal of Virginia". Although "Virtue's" spear is upside down, and she holds a sword instead of a shield, the boar by her side missing, she reminds one of Athena at fisrt glance. Virtue is feminine and tyranny masculine, so Fern slanted it in one sense to feminine wisdom and masculine arrogance, talking about, and meaning the "brick-heads" of Washington DC, among them Rockefeller and members of the "Rockefeller Restauration" in charge of Bruton Cemetary in Williamsburg, causing them considerable problems with her stubbornness of not giving up digging in the archives and at night in the ground with a shovel. The Seal designed by a signer of the DoI, recommended at the Convention in 1776 and adopted by the State of Virginia, means in the greater scheme of things, that by this action the death knell was sounded to the tyrants of the World by the Initiates of the New World, Abraham Lincoln first and foremost. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 14, 2008 9:11:11 GMT -5
The sixteenth President of the United States, Abraham Lincoln, and Thomas Gates of the movie, have passed on. Lincoln alone appears on the screen, providing a background for Ben to speak at a symposium on the President's assassination. Ben concludes: "So, recapping, the "knights of the Golden Circle" was a Southern extremist group operating in the North to subvert Union forces. If Thomas Gates had not burned the legendary missing pages from the Booth diary, the killers may have found a vast treasure of gold, and the Union may have lost the Civil War. Thank you!" With the audience I applaud these true words, however, it is clear by now that it is not the legal tender gold, but is a "city of gold", Cibola, known to, and guarded by the Lakota in the Black Hills of South Dakota. The background of the podium now is a poster depicting Booth, offering a "$100,000 Reward" for the likker at large. Th host of the event, one Dr. Nichols, thanks Ben and his father Patrick Gates for attending, and notes what "a wonderful addition Thomas Gates is to our Civil War heroes." Pleased and happy, Patrick Gates steps up to the podium and remarks how he wishes his grandfather could have been there to receive due honors. The voice of a man named Mitch Wilkison - in the movie, apparently a descendant of 'Wilkes' Booth, is heard coming from the back of assembly hall by all present. Mitch asks Ben and Patrick if they knew whatever happened to a page of the Booth diary rescued from the fire. "We may never know", answers Ben. Maybe not, replies Mitch as he steps forward out of the darkness to be seen. He too had a great great grandfather like Ben, by the name of Silus Wilkinson, who told a different story, to wit, Booth didn't seek out Thomas Gates for to decode a cipher, but it was Thomas "who called a meeting to plan the assassination of Lincoln." This is utterly "absurd" and a "lie", concur Ben and his father. "Ladies and Gentlemen", Mitch addresses the crowd who turn round to see him, who holds up "one of the missing pages from the infamous dairy of John Wilkes Booth", listing persons involved in the crime, among them Thomas Gates. Some words are in Latin, and Mitch remarks that Booth was a student of Latin, shouting "Sic Semper Tyranis", and looking sheepishly innocent at Ben, says that Thomas Gates must have been the "artifex" of the plot. Ben, versed in Latin and some more things, remains calm hearing the accusation, but is irritated of having the word "artifex" translated as "designer" or "mastermind" by the likes of Booth, and I don't blame him Patrick Gates is outraged by such an insinuation because his grandfather himself told him the story, and he "saw the truth of it in his eyes", and "it is not some garbage from a history book". Hello! Dr. Nichols steps in and assures Patrick that he will check if the page matches the rest of the Booth diary, and promises to test the document "thoroughly to autenticate it". Doubt has been planted in Patrick's mind. Aghast he looks at the page, but Ben casts a critical eye on the writ, knows a hoax when he sees one. Unperturbed as always, he plans to get to the bottom of this and set things right, his way. Charlotte
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Post by Don Barone on Jul 14, 2008 11:51:33 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte ...
I look forward to "the real story" that lays between the lines.
Cheers and please do continue !
Best Don Barone
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 15, 2008 6:49:24 GMT -5
My dear friend Don,
It's 4:44, a number connecting my communication with you somehow.
As to BoS, "I'm working on it" as Ben always says when figuring out something.
Love
Charlotte
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Post by Aurora on Jul 17, 2008 13:47:42 GMT -5
Hey Charlotte,
47 is my birthyear and has been noticed by me and friends to come very strong since the beginning of this month......
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 18, 2008 7:27:49 GMT -5
Nice to see you again, Aurora,
I am stumped as to what you are referring too with the number 47, other than your birthyear, of course? Maybe you can clear it up.
Thanks
Charlotte
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Post by Aurora on Jul 18, 2008 15:42:11 GMT -5
sorry I thought I was answering to one of your posts where you mentionned a secret on page 47 - then I realized my post when at the end of the pile of yours and I should have quoted you. Will check all the post again now and copy and paste what I was referring to in my next post.
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Post by Aurora on Jul 18, 2008 15:45:40 GMT -5
Here is the quote from your post nr 4 I am referring to :
I'll tell you, what is on page 47 is I think the single greatest secret in America today...which is...the plot of Star Treck."
Re: National Treasure: Book of Secrets « Reply #4 on Jun 12, 2008, 8:50am »
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 19, 2008 9:19:22 GMT -5
Now I see, thanks Aurora. I quoted Turteltaub's response to what's on page 47, which seemingly has nothing to do with "Book of Secrets". Apparently, Turteltaub is familiar with both, the secret book of the Presidents of the US, and the depository of secret knowledge on Vulcan. Hopefully, in movies to come he will connect the two as he did the treasures of the ancient Egyptians in NT with the treasures of the ancient Native Americans in NT2.
Charlotte
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Post by spaceyhippie on Jul 19, 2008 13:26:18 GMT -5
without reading much of all of this so i will sound like a fool for many reasons which from my perspective can only seem random to me i hafta say the reviews seem like the kinda thing designed to make sure anybody who doesn't know anything about it already it should be steadfast in their minds that this is all fantasy further pressing it into the realms o conspiracy theories when in fact, it's based on stuff about american history that anyone can prolly jus go look up in a library which of course, no one so easily affected by that kinda casually dismissive propaganda would ever do, even on a rainy sunday
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 20, 2008 8:59:47 GMT -5
Truer words have never been spoken, spacehippie, I'm beginning to like you despite the "you and my mom". You are calling "universally" for "universal cooperation", that everybody needs somebody and everybody, er, I beat you to it years ago, and I get my best ideas in the shower, also having walked away from the computer. Then wanting to come back here and say: wait, I dindn't explain this right and fully. I love your geometry, and we need no impiricals on idealism, the phenomenal universe is a result of ideas and ideals I like to think, and projecting more of the good and beautiful, which is what idealists do naturally Yea, I sound like a preacher too, many times it's the shortest and direct way to a 'meaning'. With due respect, I would like to ask you to leave this forum and thread solely to NT1 and BoS, Francis Bacon's New Atlantis, America the New World, and the Poet Prince Shakespeare. Welcome spacehippie Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 20, 2008 10:45:22 GMT -5
How now? And what's in the names? "John Wilkes Booth was the ninth of ten children born to the famous, eccentric, and hard-drinking actor, Junius Booth. The Booth family--along with their slaves--lived on a farm near Bel Air, Maryland." www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/lincolnconspiracy/booth.htmlFrom wiki "His parents , the noted British Shakespearean actor Junius Brutus Booth and his actress wife Mary Ann Holmes, immigrated to the United States from England in 1821, purchasing a farm known as "Tudor Hall" near Bell Air, Maryland, where Jon Wilkes Booth was born in 1838. He was named after the British revolutionary John Wilkes, who the family claimed was a distant relative. "Booth was educated in the classics, particularly Shakespeare. He attended the Bel Air Acadamy, where his headmaster described him as "Not deficient in intelligence, but disinclined to take advantage of the educational opportunities offered him. Each day he rode back and forth from farm to school, taking more interest in what happened along the way than in reaching his classes on time. "In 1850-1851, he attended Milton Boarding School for Boys located at Sparks, Maryland. As recounted by Booths sister, Asia Booth Clarke, in her book entitled "The Unlocked Book," the future actor met an old Gypsy women in the woods near the school who gave him a grim assessment of his life and said he would die young. In 1851, at age 13, Booth attended St. Timothy's Hall, a Protestant Episcopal military academy in Cantonsville, Maryland. Following in the footsteps of their father (who died in 1852), Booth and his brothers Edwin and Junius Brutus, Jr. would become well-known actors in mid-nineteenth century America. "On January 23, 1853 Booth was baptized into the Protestant Eiscopal Church of the United States and prepared for the Episcopal confirmation ceremony." Theatrical career and Civil War"At the age of 17, Booth played the Earl of Richmond in Shakepeare's Richard III. In 1857, he joined the stock company of the Arch Street Theatre in Philadelphia. At his request he was billed as "J.B. Wikes", a pseudonym meant to devert attention from his famous thespian family. In 1858 he was accepted as a member of the Richmond Theatre, Virginia, stock company, and became increasingly popular, called "the handsomest man in America" by reviewers. He stood 5 feet 8 inches (1.7 m) tall, had jet-black hair, and was lean and athletic, He was also an excellent swordsman. His performance were often characterized by his contemporaries as acrobatic and intensely physical. A fellow actress once recalled that he occasionally cut himself with his own sword." Old Gypsy women in the woods know a thing or two, maybe her fortune telling ran deep with him, knowing she was right in that he would self-destruct and die young, and anxiety caused him to cut himself. Anyway, there are a few parallels: William Shaksper and Wilkes Booth were famous actors in their time, the former only in connection with the name Shakespeare; both came from large families, Booth one of nine, Shaksper one of eight children; both resisted to follow the law of the land, and a bit shady and on the wild side in their personal lives. I haven't read anything about Booth's drinking habits, only as stated that he had a "hard-drinking" father, whereas the actor Shaksper of Avon liked his alcohol and is said to have been killed by Ben Jonson after a drinking bout. Booth's sister Asia was a writer and poet. Booth was educated in the classics and Shakespeare, Shaksper was not, but had parts in two Plays, and was connected with the Blackfriar's Theatre. I don't believe in coincidences, only in cause and effect of an intelligent universe, and the karmic law of what goes around comes around in the language on the ship. Charlotte
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Post by spaceyhippie on Jul 20, 2008 14:34:37 GMT -5
there are coincidences everywhere, obviously there are also their connections, obligatorally i was fresh outta the shower when i wrote this ...so sue me if i post irrelevantly but definitely not irreverently as anyone who knows me n mebbe you do already ...i'm jus incurably silly tho, not, apparently too cunning to be misunderstood i quote random bards ...as any other would see, that's from much ado about nothing also funny anyways i was commenting to the first post in this topic/thread ...directly earlier, above on the new movie or the reviews thereof n sorry, that's all the brain pan i got these daze spoon-feed a baby then throw me up in the air... n walk away but some of the most recent managed to get thru to me i have a, perhaps groovy, conspiracy theory the powers that be, or were, in those daze or a rogue segment/sector thereof decided Lincoln hadda go, n knew they should prolly know otherwise, the south would only become further alienated n eventually secede... albeit... diplomatically n eventually, ultimately, side with the nazis n then, there'd be a return to slavery i wonder if anyone's seen that movie time travel, tho fancy, is not a requirement for this thingy i refer gentle readers to orwell, asimov, tesla n bradbury see, there's this thingy called an agenda... also itinerary n also the lincoln kennedy thingy the reality isn't really so spooky as there's empire-icals already n where u were posting to me directly u weren't, were u, jus asking politely that i should abandon all hope n this thread yay board entirely many have previously attempted to hint a hippie some of em even more directly much of which has yet to get thru to me sorry i compared u to me ma but she's an optimist, entirely n even more german than me
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 21, 2008 7:11:16 GMT -5
Hello spaceyhippie,
I understood what you were referring to, thought your entire post was excellent and said so.
You are welcom to fly into "my" forum anytime if it is relevant to the subjects at hand, hopefully without the heavy German accent. I thought that maybe you would interject your beautiful geometry, only 2 persons are allowed to do this.
More power to your idealistic mother, many regards and the very best to her, and thee.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 21, 2008 8:02:26 GMT -5
Scene change, to the movie
In a book shop, between two cardboard Ebenbilder of a confidently smiling Riley Poole in adventure garb, our Riley, scholarly and bespectacled, sits behind a desk laden with books, waiting for people to notice the rectangular objects. He has written on "The Templar Treasure".
An older, also scholarly dressed gentleman, after all they are in a book shop, walks by and nodding slightly as in hello, throws an understanding glance at the books: ah, another book on the Knights Templar by an alternative thinker and writer, and keeps walking. At his age, having a degree or two from an acclaimed University, and having read many peer reviewd papers, he knows all about these things, and goes further back in the shop to the to pick out a book the experts have written, who confirm what he has learned long ago.
Next, a pretty blond stands before the desk, picks up a copy and asks Riley if this is a book about the Templar treasure. Yes, "it is", beams he, "but it's also about other things, conspiracy theories, urban legends, and other myths that are true", he smiles markedly, but she doesn't get it. Yes, he is selling his books, he assures the girl, and eagerly shows her "a pretty good picture" of himself on the back flap. "You are" the author, she asks with surprised sceptisism, she thought "Benjamin Gates was the one who found the treasure." Yes, he is, replies Riley, but he is the "co-finder". "Oh...", she exclaimes disappointed because she finds Riley a bit young to know about such mysteries. "Ohuhyea" sounds Riley in agreement and disagreement, knowing it is hopeless to say anything further. Abruptly, she puts the book back on the desk and follows the older gentleman, who she suspects knows more about the treasure mystery, but he doesn't, and in any case, she isn't particularly interested in made up fantasy yarns spun by the superstitious Ancients. Bored and disappointed she walks out of the book shop to the next Starbucks for the new "energy coffee".
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 22, 2008 7:02:37 GMT -5
Dear spaceyhippie, I read your last post again and no, I didn't mean you post irrlevantly, and it only sounded as if to throw you up in the air and walk away. It's just my way of talking as you have yours If my words rubbed you the wrong way, I appologize sincerely. Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 22, 2008 8:05:04 GMT -5
In the movie, after the blonde girl had left, a busty brunette stands before Riley, looks at the book title and him "Oh, my gosh, are you Ben Gates?" Yes he is, Riley lies, disappointed and hurt by not getting any recognition for his own contributions and labors.
"Do you own a Ferrari?" Yes he does he smiles, and takes off his glasses, ready to strike up a conversation concerning the treasure or urban legends or whatever. "It's being towed" she says casually. What?, he pauses a second, grabs his glasses, makes a b-line to the door, but is not seen running out of the short hallway. Instead, he comes running after the tow truck "wait, wait, that's my car" from a different direction on the other side of the street. There is a deliberate gap in this scene. Riley knows it's hopeless to catch up to the tow truck, so he walks along the street with his Ebenbild under his arm and pulling a carry-on, neither of which objects he took with him running from the book store. These are the obvious discrepancies.
By coincidence he meets up with Ben sitting on the steps of a well-kept house, number 3431, which is for sale. Ben asks where his Ferrari is. Oh well, says Riley: "The IRS impounded it", because his accountant did what rich people do, namely to set up a phony business on a non-existing island to avoid taxes. His head full about "The Templar Treasure", he is not overly concerned about his minor Ferrari treasure, but wants to know "what's new" with Ben.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 23, 2008 7:45:10 GMT -5
Ben and Riley's attitude of how their life happens is refreshing. Ben sums up for his friend what's new with him: Abigail kicked him out, he lives with his father, and his family is accused of killing Abraham Lincoln. I see, smiles Riley. Becuase his girlfriend wont talk to him, and "changed the alarm code" of their formerly common residence, Ben explains to his co-finder of treasures, he needs his help to disarm the system. Childsplay for Riley, who produces the "Code Key: 749351", and did it "in 25 seconds" impessing Ben.
Riley is anxious to know what broke up Ben's and Abigail's relationship. Ben thinks about it some and shakes his head "I really don't know." She started using the word "so" a lot. So?" questions Riley. Err, says Ben, Abigail complains "so" her opinions don't really matter; "so", he "always seems to know what's bets; "so" she guesses she has become "invisible" now; he moved out and they're "dividing the furniture", and so on... Riley changes the old cliché a bit: "Women, can't live with them, especially when they change the alarm codes." It's why he tells "people to get a dog."
Ben goes upstairs and finds Abigail's "ID badge" to get "access to the Booth diary page." They are ready to leave, but Ben notices the reflection of car- headlights, looks out the window and sees that it's "not Abigail's car." She is not too surprised at finding Ben in her place and knows Riley disarmed the alarm. He comes out of hiding, plays down the ackward situation with silly humor, and recognizes "the White House curator" who calls him "Ben's assistant." "What" did you say? Riley doesn't like it at all, for the third time today he suffers the indignity of being second fiddle.
Abigail and her date say good bye and plan to meet again, which Ben doesn't like at all. A moment later, he assures her that he broke in to just get some of his things, but she knows he borrowed her security badge because he needs to see the page from the Booth diary. Abigail is irritated, he saw it already and there is no treasure map on it. Yes, nodes Ben, but he needs to "special image it." He pleads with Abigail for one more "look under infra-red" and bribes her "you can have the Boston te-tables." The promise stops her dead in her tracks, she smiles gleefully to herself and turns to Ben "both of them?" Ben, way ahead in planning, doesn't answer.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 24, 2008 8:06:35 GMT -5
Riley has been looking at the Booth diary page for hours, can't see anything out of the ordinary, and in any case "in a hundred years nobody is going to remember anyone involved" in Lincoln's assassination. "That's not true", Ben rubs his eyes and asks Riley if he's ever heard the expression "his name is Mud", and if he knows its origin. Ouch, this is too much to take and Riley fires back "does anyone but you?" While Ben explains some about Dr. Mudd, Abigail ponders the diary page and calls their attention to an apparent anomaly. I see, says Riley, "it" spells "smudge - it's nothing." Ben thinks it's "residual ink" and that the letters are backwards. They turn it over and Ben immediately recognizes "it's a cipher" and a happy smile comes over his face. Equally happy, Abigail agrees "it is", and in "coupled letters", Ben points out, hence the Playfair cipher. Ben remarks the cipher "could prove historic", but unless they decode it, they have no proof of their theory, Abigail puts on the brakes. No problem, Riley is all ears, all they "need is a keyword", But Ben doesn't know what it is just yet. Abigail voices more doubt about the document, but nothing could persuade Ben from solving this puzzle to clear the Gates name. Two FBI agents walk into the J. Edgar Hoover Building and inform their boss, the Masonic ring wearing Sadusky, that "Ben Gates is in the news again." Oh? Tongue in cheek, Sadusky asks if he found Atlantis by any chance. No, some guy came forward with a page of the Booth diary and claims Thomas Gates was involved in Lincoln's assassination. Sadusky wonders why this Wilkenson, haveing had the page for 140 years, suddenly brings it to the light of day, and orders the agents to find out why. Meanwhile, Riley is glued to his decoding computer. Letters appear on the screen: ME /IK /QO / -- CQ /TE /ZX Translation /KG/ "Bacon", Riley says matter-of-factly, before the name BACON appears in the left square. "That's stupid", he remarks, but Ben, looking over his shoulders, encourages him to "keep going." Next appear the letters /KG /HI /SA / --DP /XT / No translation, but the name "BARON" appears. Can I say "I told you so?" Charlotte, all
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Post by Don Barone on Jul 24, 2008 10:53:36 GMT -5
Next appear the letters /KG /HI /SA / --DP /XT / No translation, but the name "BARON" appears. Can I say "I told you so?" Charlotte, all You may ! Cheers Don Barone
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 25, 2008 10:08:15 GMT -5
Hi Don, back to you, Years ago, in the beginning, later, and before NT1, you didn't exactly say the harsh words "that's stupid", maybe you thought it lol. I do know you had grave doubts about my far-fetched notions. I still have a few of my own and have to wait and see what discloses itself. Charlotte
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Post by spaceyhippie on Jul 25, 2008 11:29:27 GMT -5
all will ultimately prove n perhaps only that we were all always entirely silly
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