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Post by roscoe on Mar 6, 2006 7:38:52 GMT -5
Hi Roscoe ... Perhaps you would like to explain the image to us. I see four circles however maybe the first three have diameters equal to the three pyramids. It is the only connection I can see at the moment. Cheers Don Barone There aren't any pyramids but there are several equilateral triangles which are arranged to form the Seal of Solomon. None of triangles form the DIAMETER of a circle but they do touch the circumference. I take it you are aware of this: THE DIAGRAM ABOVE IS DISTORTED IN REALITY IT IS PERFECTLY ROUNDIf anyone thinks this is contrived then perhaps I ought to point out the the radius of this circle is EXACTLY the same distance as one of the points of the pentacle of mountains to the opposite intersection. You'll notice that there are four churches on this circumference, the distance of the arc of two of the churches, Les Sauzils and St Ferriol, form the seal of Solomon and the arc distance of the other two, Granes and Coustaussa, form a pentacle. One detractor has said that he's checked these out using GPS and that some churches and points are up to fifty metres out (this is over several miles by the way). I pointed out to him that GPS is only accurate up to 100 meters in mountainous terrain and sent him a suitable set of donkey ears. There's an interesting story about the church at Autugnac if you're interested. Tying this in with the workings of a former Priory of Sion Grand Master is a worthy exercise. I can't realistically find a PHI relationship in this diagram. But this diagram is significant in both the Rennes le Chateau and the Bornholm landscapes. Do you have the measurements of the distances between the Pyramids actually on the Giza Plateau?
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Post by Don Barone on Mar 10, 2006 7:23:08 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte Boy you can hear a pin drop around here again. I guess it is back to just the three of us ( where oh where is Daz and JDM ? ) I guess they were right over at The Daily Grail when they suggested I was entitled to my few days in the sun. It was a good week though wasn't it ? My website is still getting around 400 to 450 visitors a day and has now seen 5683 "hits" since I first posted the article on February 24th. Still however I have received virtually no comments either good or bad and I wait patiently for some sort of discourse on my findings. None have been forthcoming yet save for the heated exchanges over at Ma'at who, say what you will about them, at least they get involved ! I have sent my work to three universities. One in New York state, one here locally at McMaster University and one to Oklahoma University on the advice of a friend I work with who is from there. We are still waiting for even an acknowledgment of receipt of the email. Anyway the tide seems to be out for the moment Charlotte and this is great for recuperation. In regards to your request for David Wood's two books here is the best place to get them. Adventures Unlimited PressHere is the closest store if you feel like a drive I suggest calling ahead as they may not be in stock. Cheers from Ontario Don Barone
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Post by Charlotte on Mar 11, 2006 17:10:00 GMT -5
Hi Don I just listened to Beethoven's "Leonore" Overture No. 3 and after the mental goosebumps subside there is a wondrous silence, analagous to the silence here after looking at paintings, sacred geometry and accompanying words, and other things in links, all of which enriches and colors the previous tapestry held secure by "fringes." But there is a knot hard to untie in between the tapestry and the fringes. This knot can keep "the box" secure, or can be "the great Knot who is within yesterday. The might of my strenght is within my hand. I myself am not known, but I am he who knoweth thee", of the Book of coming forth by Day, or undoing it, it could lead to the Holy Grail, or the Gordian knot, when untied one can rule one's Empire. You know I always come back to this view. I also read about the disputed "flying mashines" again, which are not "mashines", but were, or "was a ship that soared into the air, flying to both the solar and stellar regions - powered by winged lightening", as set forth in the Mahabharata. "The holy Indian Sages, the Ramayana for one, tell of "Two storied celestial chariots with many windows." No helicopters or jets here. "The bundle of wonderful things", conveys Madam Blavatsky, "mentioned in the Mahabharata" was given to the "Fourth Race" as a "gift of Mayasur to the Pandavas. It is from them that the learnt aeronautics, Vivam Vidya (the knowledge of flying in air-vihicles), and, therefore, their great arts of meteorography and meteorology. It is from them, again, that the Aryans inherited their most valuble science of the hidden virtues of precious and other stones, of chemistry, or rather alchemy, of mineralogy, geology, physics and astronomy." Tell this to most and they'll shoot your Vimana right out of the sky, even though everyone affirms: yes yes, one generation or civilization stands on the shoulders of the previous. Madam goes on to muse about the Exodus and Moses, if it is "simply another version of the legends told of the Atlantians?", who were warned that if they don't change their ways they will perish in a flood, to keep it short. "The anger of "God" at the obduracy of Pharaoh, his command to the "chosen" ones, to spoil the Egyptians, before departing, of their "jewels of silver and jewels of gold" (Exod. xi.), and finally the Egyptians and their Pharaoh drowned in the Red Sea." There was an article some time ago in an Egyptian Newspaper about the Jews stealing the treasures of Egypt, and I wrote to the editor that by this was meant their knowledge, but they are just as dense as the people who take the Exodus at face value. I never got a chance to write a note about "the Atlantis of the Hindus" over at Maat and compare it with "The Atlantis of the Hopi" because the mardukian and another emotionally charged mind could not hear what I was saying, could not grasp two or more things at once and hold it, or fill in while reading. Anyway, the Hopi also had wicked and "choosen" people. The choosen ones sang praises to their Creator, but the "other people hardly heard them. Under the leadership of the Bow Clan they began to use their creative powers in another evil and destructive way. Perhaps this was caused by the wicked women. But some of them made patuvwota shild made of hide) and with their creative power made it fly through the air. On these many of the people flew to a big city, attacked it, and returned so fast no one knew where they came from. Soon the people of many cities and countries were making patuvwotas and flying on them to attack one another. So corruption and war came to the Third World as it had been to the others." Sotuknang destroyed it but showed the people their "footprints" and "stepping stones." "As the people watched them, (the islands sticking out of the water upon which the people had rested) the closest one sank under the water, then the next, then the next, until all were gone, and they could only see water." So it wasn't only Plato who spoke of islands, 7 of them. The Hopi have "Three Worlds", but also had 7 in the beginning: one for Taiowa the Creator, one for Sotuknang "the first power and instrument as a person", and "7 universes for the life to come." "See," said Sotuknang, "I have washed away even the footprints of your Emergence, the stepping stones I have left for you. Down on the bottom of the seas lie all the proud cities, the flying patuwvotasand the worldly treasures corrupted with evil, and those people who found no time to sing praises to the Creator from the tops of their hills. But the day will come, if you preserve the memory and the meaning of your Emergence, when these stepping stones will emerge again and prove the truth you speak." The memory we have, obviously, or we wouldn't be talking about it, it is "the meaning" we reject. The Hopi call the Third World "Kuskurza (an ancient name for which there is no modern meaning", but we may very well find that the meaning is the same as the meaning of Atlantis. All the quotes are from "The Book of the Hopi" by Frank Waters. I know I said much of this before, but even though we have many what we call legends, myths, and poems, we keep talking about UFO's as we think of them, helicopters and jets, when all has to do with our evolution. Now, compare, if you like, a fragment "from the Commentaries" conveyed by Madam Blavatsky, with the story of the Hopi. . . . "And the 'great king of the dazzling Face,' the chief of all the Yellow-faced, was sad, seing the sins of the Black-faced. He sent his air-vihicles, (Vivan) to all his brother-chiefs (chiefs of all other nations and tribes) with pious men within, saying: 'Prepare. Arise ye men of the good law, and cross the land while (yet) dry.' The Lords of the storm are approaching. Their chariots are nearing the land. One night and two days only shall the Lords of the Dark Face (the Sorcerers) live in this patient land. She is doomed and they have to descend with her. The neather Lords of the Fires (the Gnomes and fire Elementals) are preparing their magic Agneyastra fire-weapons worked by magic). But the Lords of the Dark Eye "Evil Eye") are stronger than they (the Elementals) and they are the slaves of the mighty ones. They are versed in Ashtar (Vidya, the highest magical knowledge.) Come and use yours (i.e., your magic powers, in order to counteract those of the Sorcerers). Let every Lord of the Dazzling Face (an Adept of the White Magic) cause the Viwan of every Lord of the Dark Face to come into his hands (or possession) lest any (of the Sorcerers) should by its means escape from the waters, avoid the rod of the four, (Karmic deities) and save his wicked' (followers or people). May every yellow face send sleep from himself (mesmerize?) to every black face. May even they (the Sorcerers) avoid pain and suffering. May every man true to the Solar Gods bind (paralize) every man under the lunar gods, lest he should suffer or escape his destiny.This mesmerizing and paralizing is done with the eye and sound and is very much alive today. I too wonder what happened to Daz, JohnDM is probably recuperating or lost his calculater, and, no, I'm not driving to Arizona for anything, been there done that Have a good one CC
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Post by roscoe on Mar 15, 2006 14:26:51 GMT -5
Don You seem to want to avoid me. I take it you are aware of this? No it's not an illusion it really is tilted. The Cornford analysis is invalid, there is a large part of the painting normally covered by the frame. Are you aware of this? This is not the pentacle in the painting. There are several repetitions of the same measurement. But this my be no more than Poussin's way of creating balance to the painting. I know what the shepherd's crooks mean and they have something to do with a thing that's in the painting.
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Post by Don Barone on Mar 15, 2006 17:42:13 GMT -5
Hi roscoe you sent an image linked to Brian Ettinger's website. Are you Brian ? And if I had to choose between two images ... this one ... or this one ... I think I know which one I would pick. As to avoiding you I already have mentioned I do not subscribe to the fact that the mystery lies in France. cheers Don Barone
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Post by roscoe on Mar 15, 2006 18:11:03 GMT -5
Poussin and Teniers were French. With reference to that image at the davincisecrets site. Will this help? This is a public domain photograph as it is Schellenberger and Andrews' corrected pentacle using the correct full size of the Poussin painting. Here's that blow up of the centre of the Seal of solomon and the pentacle: Still think it's not a French mystery?
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Post by Don Barone on Mar 15, 2006 18:33:55 GMT -5
Are you Brian Ettinger ?
Regards Don Barone
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Post by Don Barone on Mar 15, 2006 19:44:58 GMT -5
Roscoe either your image is faked or mine is. They do not look at all the same. Where did your image come from. Scanned image from Sister's Wendy 1000 Masterpieces: and yours ... This is far to square at the top right. So I ask again Roscoe where did this close-up come from ? Regards Don Barone
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Post by roscoe on Mar 16, 2006 3:02:41 GMT -5
Roscoe either your image is faked or mine is. They do not look at all the same. Where did your image come from. Scanned image from Sister's Wendy 1000 Masterpieces: and yours ... This is far to square at the top right. So I ask again Roscoe where did this close-up come from ? Regards Don Barone I took it myself from the 600mm x 480mm poster I purchased in January from the Rennes le Chateau shop. It was to replace my old one that had become a little battered. I did sharpen it with the auto sharpen and removed the noise with Photoshop with the 'repair' facility, but there is no other alteration. There has been no line drawing. I did this only to remove blurring. Have you read 'The Tomb of God' by Schellenger and Andrews? Interesting piece about Anthony Blunt (art expert and self proclaimed Poussin expert?) getting the date wrong. Blunt was a Russian spy in the Burgess/Maclean scandal and Queen Elizabeth's art advisor. Have you seen the original 'Les Bergers d'Arcadie' in the Louvre? I suggest you take a look at the original, unfortunately they wont let you take it home. Take a particular look at the sky brush strokes compared to the rest of the painting. It seems that this painting has crude paintings of the sky showing brush strokes not present in any other Poussin paintings. Apparantly Poussin pressed down on the wet paint with his thumb in order to remove any sign of brush strokes. Why didn't he bother with the sky in this painting? Was he simply slapdash in this painting or is there something more sinister here? There's more to this than meets the eye. We have this and then we have the missing dip where Rennes le Chateau is supposed to be situated on the right of the painting. Bearing in mind that this painting was in the possession of Louis XIV for some time who kept it hidden It was he who imprisoned Louis Fouquet brother of the Abbe Fouquet who had had that enigmatic conversation with Poussin. This one he wrote in a letter to his brother: "He and I discussed certain things, which I shall with ease be able to explain to you in detail - things which will give you, through Monsieur Poussin, advantages which even kings would have great pains to draw from him, and which, according to him, it is possible that nobody else will ever discover in the centuries to come. And what is more, these are things so difficult to discover that nothing now on this earth can prove of better fortune nor be their equal.” Even Anthony Blunt confirmed this as genuine. I have other reasons to believe this point indicated by Schellenberger and Andrews to be significant. This merely fits in with my other findings if only superficially. This is a French mystery.
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Post by roscoe on Mar 16, 2006 3:04:32 GMT -5
Are you Brian Ettinger ? Regards Don Barone Absolutely not. He's got it all wrong and I told him so, but I haven't heard from him yet.
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Post by Don Barone on Mar 16, 2006 6:36:05 GMT -5
In my estimation the image you have supplied is a fake. Not by you but by the shop in Rennes. ... or do you suggest the image in The Louvre is ? Regardless you are free to start your own thread here on what you feel is the answer. This particular thread was and is on The Giza Pentagram and the pyramids found in Poussin's paintings. If you have comments on that feel free to post them here otherwise please begin your own thread.
Don Barone
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Post by BERNHARD on Mar 16, 2006 12:33:28 GMT -5
Dear Don, Roscoe, Charlotte and Others: this drawing by Robert Boyle seems more to be some of his alchimistry/chemistry-orientated elaborations on the search for the inner structure of elements or any matter or the search of elements ( he thought of 4 central elements ). Boyle was a very intelligent man, of a wide spectrum of knowledge, in contact with many very interesting persons of his time, one of the was Nicholas Poussain, as we al know, but this conceptual draft, may be part of his chemical studies ! at this time the border between alchemistry and chemistry became more and more leakened, some progress of modern chemistry depends from the roots of old alchemistry. .. regards: Bernie
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Post by nebankh on Mar 16, 2006 19:56:18 GMT -5
www.webcom.com/~gnosis/gnostsoc/gnostsoc.htm#Don, hope the above link works - this is the man that started me on my path. Charlotte probably knows more about this location than I do, but I had to point this out to you to show you that although it VERY NEARLY DID - it most certainly didn't :-) From the link about the fire at the 'church' above: The word is gnostic from the Greek gnosis (inner knowledge), and as opposed to agnostics, who claim to know nothing of the divine, Gnostics are privy to a secret both terrible and wondrous. It is a knowledge that has kept them underground for 1,800 years, tarred as heretics by the Christian orthodoxy. It’s hard to say whether or not Cardinal Roger Mahony has ever heard of Stephan Hoeller, but it’s not difficult to imagine that there are nights when he wakes to see a shadow on the wall, an elfin shadow with a Beat Era goatee and a round belly. Gnosticism is the dog that nips at Rome’s heels, the orphaned child tugging at its cuffs, reminding the Church of what — and whom — it left behind. For nearly two millennia, the family secret was safely in the crypt, but in 1945, as we shall see, the ground shifted, and in the early years of our new century, thanks in some ironic measure to the very mainstream success of The Matrix and The Da Vinci Code, the vault burst open. Stephan Hoeller is the counter-cardinal of an L.A. nobody knows, and until last year’s fire destroyed his church, he was the bishop of Hollywood Boulevard. In less than one hour, the L.A. outpost of what one Catholic apologist has called “the most dreaded foe the Christian faith has ever confronted” was in ruins. The size and fury of the blaze belied its humble origins, but may have been attributable to what the LAPD suspects was a methamphetamine lab operating in an upstairs apartment. A junkie and her boyfriend had rented the flat for years, and therein lies an irony that would not be lost on Gnostic sensibilities. The fire that gutted Hoeller’s sanctuary was not lit by torch-bearing fundamentalists or commandos employed by Opus Dei, but was the consequence of a modern affliction engendered by the sorrow of being “trapped,” to paraphrase comic icon Howard the Duck, “in a world we never made.” Like the Adam and Eve of Gnosticism’s alternative Genesis (see sidebar following article), the recipient of gnosis awakens one day to the sobering realization that the world we live in is, in Hoeller’s words, “the flawed creation of a flawed Creator,” and that we are “strangers, lost in a world that is ill-fitting and absurd.” From that moment on, perception is altered, belief is cast aside in favor of experience, dogma is abandoned and the search for the True God begins. Oh, yes, Virginia, there is a God, if not quite the God of your Fathers. This God would not bar you from the priesthood, or seek to keep you barefoot and pregnant, but this God also might not be invoked by a Tori Amos song. This God takes some getting used to. If it’s not apparent how dangerous such an altered worldview is, and why it once led straight to dungeon and stake, consider this: Just as you can’t smoke a joint and take a politician seriously, you can’t experience gnosis and take the business of the world — producing and consuming — to be of terribly great consequence. Gnosticism embodies the eternal counterculture, and as with expansion of consciousness by any other means, it has always been a grave threat to the established order. In the Gnostic Genesis, not only is Eve the heroine and the serpent in effect her fairy godmother, but the tyrant of Eden is none other than Jehovah, the Old Testament God who would “have no others before him.” The Gnostics know him as the Demiurge — the “Half-Maker” — or Ialdabaoth. So who or what, then, is the God of the Gnostics? It is both aeons away, and closer than we think. It is, to quote Hoeller’s liturgy, “that whose name not but the silence can express.” We are through the looking glass, and the disorientation can be profound. But to attend a Sunday mass at the old Ecclesia Gnostica, you’d have been forgiven for not noticing right away. Most of the liturgy would be familiar to any Catholic, as would the vestments worn by Bishop Hoeller and his clergy. Only the place, and perhaps the parishioners, would make you feel you had picked the wrong door and wandered into a catacomb art-directed by David Lynch and populated with extras cast by Tim Burton.
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Post by Charlotte on Mar 18, 2006 11:07:22 GMT -5
Most wonderful to see you back Nebankh with this profound post about Dr. Hoeller, and as if you knew his unpretentious "church" at the end of Hollywood Boulevard. Indeed, I walked many times into the humble old Ecclesia Gnostica, always in my best Sunday attire, and many times with two pyrex dishes of Apfelstrudel , which Dr. Hoeller and the people loved. When lecturing at the PRS I brought him flowers and Mozart Kugeln as tokens of my love and admiration for this extraordinary man. In return, he would remind me of things in and from Germany, speaking the language perfectly. You say that Dr. Hoeller is the man who stated you on your path. Did he lecture in England? I of course met the gentlemen via the PRS, upon which I went to church for the first time in 25 years or so. This church was nothing more than a big room, a picture of Abraxus on the wall, chairs, and a long table draped in white linen and lace for "Stephan" as people called Dr. Hoeller effectionally, to celebrate mass. The host of communion I took there had meaning and an atmosphere of warmth and love permiated the place. This love and warmth was about Dr. Hoeller wherever one met him, whether in Bishop's garb, or black and red cape on Hallowe'en at the PRS joking about everybody watching out because "those of us from Transilvania . . ., or when a siren blaring vihicle desturbed his lecture for a moment: this is the Opus Dei coming to get us. I'm sure Roger Mahony, who strikes me as a man of the clothe as Bush does of politics, has heard of Dr. Hoeller, the former, unspirited, leading the many blind, pardon me, the latter leading the thirsty few by his own inspiration. Thanks for reminding me Nebankh, and renewing my thought of simply "making time" to visit with Dr. Hoeller with a beautiful bouquet of flowers - hearing what he has to say. Much love Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte on Mar 20, 2006 10:51:26 GMT -5
Hello again Nebankh, I didn't pay close attention when reading your post the other day, sorry. The first thing that struck me odd then and today, were your words to Don ". . . but I had to point this out to you to show you that although it VERY NEARLY DID - it most certainly didn't ", followed by a post on Gnostisism and Dr. Hoeller under Rennes le Chateau, not that the mystery of Rennes is alien to Gnostisism, and your "sudden appearance", welcome as it was with a jumping up and down smiley, with just this subject. Had I read the article in the LA WEEKLY, I wouldn't have asked the rather dumb even to myself question at the time, if Dr. Hoeller lectured in London in the past, especially since he never mentioned it. Furthermore, I was baffled by "your" familiarity of the obscure door to the former Ecclesia Gnostica, which, if one didn't look closely one simply walked by and had to turn and look again as I did a few times. Obviously it was worth looking again . . . Today I realized my mistake. I love the article by A.W. Hill, all of it is true and so Dr. Hoeller, whose words rang true to me from the first lecture I attended, and just like Hill says, sometimes "the gleam in his eye grows brighter" talking about the Matrix and such, sometimes he starts laughing out loud even before the joke is finished, such laughter being highly contagious , and sometimes, when he would take us toward a great truth, his voice would brake and we sat in silence and awe of the unsaid and one in spirit with him. "Stephen Hoeller is the Counter-Cardinal of an L.A. nobody knows", as it was said of Mr. Hall being the best kept secret in L.A. It took many years of "prep-work" to finally be pointed to the PRS, as I mentioned before, and I felt like the prodigal daughter come home mingling with "my kind" of people, and we were a joyful bunch, each one person happy and free in their own right. Thanks again, Nebankh, for I'm sitting here smiling thinking of all things marvelous, and what better way to start the day! Charlotte
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Post by Don Barone on Mar 29, 2007 6:58:51 GMT -5
Hi Charlotte Just a note to let you know the pictures have arrived safely and I shall post them here very soon. Also watch for them over at Ma'at and maybe Graham's as we as we will need to discuss this "temple" at my 'X". Cheers Don Barone
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Post by Charlotte on Mar 29, 2007 10:44:55 GMT -5
Yea, this temple caught my attention too. I now wished I had slid down into the ditch on my behind and worried later how to get out of it. I mean there are enough police around, maybe they would have called Zahi to investigate ;D I know we would have gotten along splendidly, both being a bit off the camel.
Charlotte
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Post by gasc1988 on Mar 15, 2012 12:40:42 GMT -5
Hello Excuse me for my bad english . I am Françoise Gasc and you can know my story about 2 unknows Poussin's paintings on my website . My paintings come from my ancestor Henri Gasc who was priest at ND de Marceille. I've discovered about 6 years of research that these paintings were from Poussin . and were the key of this mystery RLC . These paintings explain the secret of Poussin . There are many symbols and hidden elements ...I explain all this story and my discoveries on my website www.lesecretdepoussin.com/. Soon this website will be in english . But you can already see it . What I have red on this forum about Poussin is near from my paintings.... You can contact me by my website Sincerely F Gasc
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Post by gasc1988 on Mar 16, 2012 4:27:55 GMT -5
..I send you the reportage TV on the biggest chaine french TV TF1 wabout my storhttp://videos.tf1.fr/jt-20h/a-la-decouverte-du-mystere-de-l-abbe-sauniere-6896165.htmly
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Post by gasc1988 on Mar 16, 2012 4:32:58 GMT -5
correction
reportage which was about my story
Thank you
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Post by Don Barone on Mar 16, 2012 23:07:17 GMT -5
Very interesting and I will will ask more questions when I have time and WELCOME !
Don Barone
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Post by Don Barone on Mar 17, 2012 7:19:27 GMT -5
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Post by Don Barone on Dec 17, 2017 19:31:15 GMT -5
Hi all ... While searching Ebay for some prints I came across this old print from 1914 of Poussin's Shepherds of Arcadia. Now there have been rumours circulating for many years that during the Second World War Hitler had his best artists painstakingly copy the old masters and that when the war ended the originals never went back to the museums and their true owners but it is said they were handed forgeries while the real master paintings went ... well one can imagine the walls of the elite being adorned with these originals. It is always difficult to prove any of this unless one gets to see an image of what was considered the original at a time before either of the two world wars and this is what we have here. A photograph of the painting taken at least 1914 or earlier. Now I had read many stories of these pictures being different but I will now simply present the links to both images. The print from 1914 and what is considered the original today. In my studied opinion (I have spent decades studying Poussin) ... THEY ARE NOT THE SAME ? They are different and since it would seem there was no reason for a forgery to be presented as the original in 1914 one can only surmise that what we have now is not the original hanging in The Louvre. Here is the link to the print: www.ebay.com/itm/Shepherds-Of-Arcadia-Constellations-Virgo-Tomb-1914-ANTIQUE-VINTAGE-ART-PRINT/142056882617?hash=item21134001b9:g:hvYAAMXQJRhRZysjAnd to the painting that hangs in The Louvre: i.pinimg.com/originals/f7/00/51/f7005167d59022836b009d5696513292.jpgDo you feel they are identical ? Areas to study: a) a2) b) b2) Regards Don Barone
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Post by Charlotte on Dec 18, 2017 10:08:49 GMT -5
Good to see you, Don, wish I could help you here but am totally ignorant of the painting. As always, I hope all is well with you and your family and preparing for a Happy Christmas Cheers Charlotte
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